Guild Wars 2

Fizzlepip.5218:

Okay. Then give us more than 2 viable builds in return. Because we don’t have them.

Taking away culling is great. It’ll get rid of all those players that use it as an excuse. But nerfing stealth like this without even seeing how culling affects everything is premature. Stealth and mobility are our only means of defense—which is really to say we have no defense but just avoid everything. Now, we’ll just be shadowstepping around watching fights because we’ll be so busy waiting for that Revealed debuff even after having not attacked.

This is silently really affecting Condi builds too, because we’re going to get that many fewer opportunities to use Sneak Attack. Why bother fkittenucking waiting for the right opportunity to strike? We can’t now. Now we’re forced to use it even when we don’t want to… or suffer the revealed debuff anyways.

Sure, we’ll adapt. But we need something in return. More gap creators or closrs so they can’t just dodge away and let us get revealed to swat us. Shorter invis CDs.

This is like looking at a Guard and saying, “No. Once you’ve had your boons stripped you can’t stack them again for a few seconds.”

It isn’t like that at all actually. You’ll just have to play smarter. For some Thief players, the change will cripple them completely. For the GOOD Thief players, they’ll adapt and be fine.

This is going to seperate good Thieves from bad Thieves, simple as that.

somsom.5201:

crewthief.8649:

somsom.5201:

@ 42 secs “110 supply among 15 players” pre-fight
@ the end “110 supply among 14 players” post-fight

Gotta love the EMP comments about impatience, “setting the field”, 2v1, etc

Numbers were even and they lost. Not sure I get all the drama surrounding this. You win and lose, it is what it is. If you win, act like you’ve been there before and intend to go back. If you lose, lose with grace, learn from your mistakes, say “GG”, and be done with it. Practice what you preach SoR, sportsmanship is a two way street. If CDS is as good a guild as they claim to be, they shouldn’t be estatic about one victory.

The drama is completely one-sided. No one is claiming this is the second coming of Christ or anything. It’s simply a video recording of a GvG match. It just happens that the opposing team decided to talk kitten and act like it wasn’t fair.

I doubt the video was posted to “rub it in”. You can’t fault CDS for responding to comments about having more people(or people making flatout incorrect statements about the actions of the commander tag).

Point is, they don’t even HAVE to respond to those comments…they videotaped it! Anyone with two eyes can see the fight was even. Anyone even remotely objective can see that CDS won the confrontation with EMP.

somsom.5201:

@ 42 secs “110 supply among 15 players” pre-fight
@ the end “110 supply among 14 players” post-fight

Gotta love the EMP comments about impatience, “setting the field”, 2v1, etc

Numbers were even and they lost. Not sure I get all the drama surrounding this. You win and lose, it is what it is. If you win, act like you’ve been there before and intend to go back. If you lose, lose with grace, learn from your mistakes, say “GG”, and be done with it. Practice what you preach SoR, sportsmanship is a two way street. If CDS is as good a guild as they claim to be, they shouldn’t be estatic about one victory.

Blade.9317:

Score update brought to you by Feisty:

Seems SoR has settled into their familiar position.

btowl.7869:

Kreen.3925:

btowl.7869:

You just failed in that regard; your dismissal makes us feel important

Actually its your collective ego that makes you feel important. Enjoy that feeling. Most of the rest of us can see things more objectively.

That’s funny, our TS is remarkably ego-less. I guess our forum posts are too on-the-nose for most to pick up on.

No, generally all your guild seems to be able to do is brag on the forums at how amazing you are at zerging around killing other zerg guilds. Noone that matters cares. SoR is one big zergball…who cares? Fact of the matter is, these threads generally get locked during the weeks that TW forum warriors hop in here and start chest beating.

I mistook this thread for something entertaining…

scooby treat.8420:

I don’t think most of you understand what I am saying. I use food buffs at all times and WvW is all I do. The nourishment buffs you gain from using both a food lets say pizza and a maintenance oil is huge especially if you run a high tough/vit build. You gain so much in fact that a full tank build can hit close to a glass cannon but take hits because they are all tough/vit. This has NOTHING to do with runes or armor or sigils.

The point to going more power is to do more damage but you will take more damage. however with food buffs giving you the power you lose from going tough or vit what is the point? You now have a tank that can do as much as the person who went more power so they could hit harder.

So I now run higher tough/vit and stack with my food buff to make me that much stronger. I hear many people posting in this thread about choices yet there is only one clear choice that is the best in the end. Higher tough/vit and food buff to give you BACK the power/cond/prec you lose from going that route. In the end your choices become more limited because of the food buffs that many are screaming gives you more options.

Tough/vit nourishments FTW

I just think nourishment allows players to further diversify their builds. I’m for as much creativity in class builds as possible, so i’m all for nourishment in WvW.

Israel.7056:

So in case anyone cares I went back and looked at some old scores and I think this is the week where we started to get the influx of SoS guilds:

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/22#NA

because the week after looked like this:

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/23#NA

In the weeks leading up to those transfers, SoR was holding second in t1. Following the transfers, BG has been able to take second and is a 40-60k win away from taking 1st overall. To me that seems like progress for the BG/SoS alliance.

Blackgate is definitely the solid 2nd right now. Is someone disputing this?

In Communist Russia, the food uses YOU as a buff!

Miiaah.5416:

crewthief.8649:

Miiaah.5416:

crewthief.8649:

Miiaah.5416:

Orikx.9671:

Miiaah.5416:

Almost all of them eh? Funny I didn’t get the memo. Most of my “mates” got bored and went back to SWToR PvP until the patch.

This explains so much. Your idea of good Pv kitten WTOR. No wonder you can’t understand the concept of a 1v1v1. You probably think standing in Illum taking turns killing each faction for your daily killspasses as PvP.

Here I found an online game that might be more fitting of your play style.
http://www.pogo.com/games/battleship

Your reading comprehension appears lacking, when was it I said where my thoughts of good PvP were. I will tell you where PvP is not and it’s in 70 man vs 15 man or Ballista vs Player, Golem vs Door.

I’m a glory rank 36 by the way and what was your glory rank again considering this is where PvP resides outside 15-20 man groups. Are you calling WvWvW in its current state PvP?

So, what you’re saying is you’ve played alot of sPvP.

Tourneys mostly, but yes Ive done my share. I’ve played DoaC, Warhammer, Aion, SWToR and a few others not worth mentioning like Star Trek ( the ship/player PvP) and rated BGs/arena here and there in WoW so long ago.

I ran my Mesmer, warrior, and ele from 2-80 in WvW only, and my Thief I did about 1/2 in WvW if you are wondering. And in SWToR which I haven’t played since August I had a full Warhero Sage, Scoundrel and Marauder and found SWToR PVP very good, not $15 a month good with GW2 FTP but yes the people I used to WvW with all got bored with this and went back to subscriptions on SWToR and are trying to get me back there, they are from Sweden and resembled HB’s style of play which I do call PvP and try and be a part of any time I can

So with that gaming history, and the experience that you most surely have, why come to the forums and spam all this nonsense? Just play the game man, chill out. Search out good fights and savor them (I find good fights all the time). OR, go play something that makes you happy…because with the amount of anxiety in your posts, you’re gonna have a heart attack dude.

It seems the replies are the ones having the issues and anxiety, all I said was it will be fun when Kain gets to T1 and gave a reason, next thing I know I have people telling me 70 man zergs find it hard to take keeps.

Are you going to tell me that BG and SoR don’t have a history and that history hasn’t tarnished what could be in T1? Be honest now, I think Kain would add a refreshing change for a week or two, I’ve even stated they should merge no less than 3-4 times to make T1 photo finish top to bottom

In my honest opinion, I don’t think there’s anything that BG or SoR could do (in their current incarnations), that would change the inevitable result of these match ups. I’m not saying that to chest thump, just speaking from an honest perspective. Right now JQ is as dominant a server as there has been in GW2. And before you say anything, JQs coverage absolutely factors into that dominance. And yes, i’m aware of the bad blood between BG and SoR. But I don’t think it makes a difference in the overall war.

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Yeah, my small guild of like 10 players bandwagoned to JQ, lmao. My guild avoids the zerg like the plague and hunts other small groups. What exactly does a guild that does THAT gain from bandwagoning to a winning server? I understand though…lacking a coherent argument you attack my guild. People like you always resort to that. It’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault when they fail. And you DO NOT love being double teamed, because as soon as you perceive that it’s happening…you flee to the forums to file a “hurt feelings report”. It clearly has you raging dude.
[/quote]I have nothing against Hands Off in the least, I actually ran with them here and there in spurts back in T1 when they were on BG, something tells me you weren’t. They were a fine guild, they still bandwagoned which I found surprising they took that path
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I joined them after they came to JQ, during an impromptu duo with one of their members in WvW. They’re a pretty laid back group from what i’ve seen. Maybe they just wanted the action of Tier 1 or something, from what i’ve seen so far…they seem about as far as a guild can get from joining servers based on PPT or anything on the scoreboard. Perhaps you just made an incorrect judgement on them, based off of a skewed perspective. Not everything is as black and white as you make it out to be.

Kiijj.3594:

Can we kindly have a score update before the mods shut down this thread please?

Thanks.

There’s an update a few posts above yours.

Miiaah.5416:

crewthief.8649:

Miiaah.5416:

Orikx.9671:

Miiaah.5416:

Almost all of them eh? Funny I didn’t get the memo. Most of my “mates” got bored and went back to SWToR PvP until the patch.

This explains so much. Your idea of good Pv kitten WTOR. No wonder you can’t understand the concept of a 1v1v1. You probably think standing in Illum taking turns killing each faction for your daily killspasses as PvP.

Here I found an online game that might be more fitting of your play style.
http://www.pogo.com/games/battleship

Your reading comprehension appears lacking, when was it I said where my thoughts of good PvP were. I will tell you where PvP is not and it’s in 70 man vs 15 man or Ballista vs Player, Golem vs Door.

I’m a glory rank 36 by the way and what was your glory rank again considering this is where PvP resides outside 15-20 man groups. Are you calling WvWvW in its current state PvP?

So, what you’re saying is you’ve played alot of sPvP.

Tourneys mostly, but yes Ive done my share. I’ve played DoaC, Warhammer, Aion, SWToR and a few others not worth mentioning like Star Trek ( the ship/player PvP) and rated BGs/arena here and there in WoW so long ago.

I ran my Mesmer, warrior, and ele from 2-80 in WvW only, and my Thief I did about 1/2 in WvW if you are wondering. And in SWToR which I haven’t played since August I had a full Warhero Sage, Scoundrel and Marauder and found SWToR PVP very good, not $15 a month good with GW2 FTP but yes the people I used to WvW with all got bored with this and went back to subscriptions on SWToR and are trying to get me back there, they are from Sweden and resembled HB’s style of play which I do call PvP and try and be a part of any time I can

So with that gaming history, and the experience that you most surely have, why come to the forums and spam all this nonsense? Just play the game man, chill out. Search out good fights and savor them (I find good fights all the time). OR, go play something that makes you happy…because with the amount of anxiety in your posts, you’re gonna have a heart attack dude.

Fourth.5603:

Score update for ya’ll

Looks like our super top secret alliance with SoR is paying dividends.

Miiaah.5416:

crewthief.8649:

Miiaah.5416:

crewthief.8649:

Miiaah.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Miiaah.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Miiaah.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Orikx.9671:

Miiaah.5416:

Sorry I provided an example to refute what you think is a good strategy

The fact that you think that Garison take is an example of anything speaks volumes.

Like I said. You are one of those vocal few that thinks everyone is 2v1 against BG. Just some quick post history of yours. I didn’t go through much because I am getting off work and it was easy to find a few fast examples.

Miiaah.5416:

From the JQ/SOs/BG fight.
“I don’t remember BG quitting when they were in an obvious double team their first week back in T1.”

“Yeah, 6 days of listening to JQ telling us to play for first by attacking SoS while they attacked BG and only BG. I wonder if T1 has always been this ridiculous”

“This, JQ waited 6 days to even touch SoS, I expect more of the same playing for second”

“Don’t get me wrong, the being outnumbered in a Garrison and having the other two servers zergballing you for 4 hours can be entertaining "

Enough said.

Hahahaha. Don’t you just love the recent post history information?

And all true too, you can probably dig further and find where the JQ person agreed and used some “attack the weakest link” excuse as to why they didn’t attack SoS. But as with your other SoR partner, you weren’t there so you wouldn’t even know what you’re replying to. Makes sense

Take a deep breathe. Now repeat after me. “Its just a game”. Feel better now?

I actually find it comical for the lack of a better word.

I find it comical how almost all your server mates want you to shut up about the 2v1 talk, yet you keep spewing your rhetoric. I would listen to them.

Almost all of them eh? Funny I didn’t get the memo. Most of my “mates” got bored and went back to SWToR PvP until the patch.

SWTOR PvP…LMAO! And dude, seriously, you need to take your meds. This public meltdown is embarrassing.

It is very embarrassing, hence your arrival right on Q

I know it’s asking alot, considering your post history…and my interaction with you, but if you could review the last couple of pages objectively, you’d see exactly what i’m talking about. Your argument is fundamentally flawed, because you’re Human. Maybe you’re too young, but i’ll let you in on a little secret; Your perception is influenced by your point-of-view. I know, shocking. Because you’re a player on Black Gate, all you ever see are red names from both JQ and SoR…and sometimes you see them at the same time and they seem to be focusing on you. The fact is, they may very well be. What you don’t see, is that BG and SoR sometimes seem TO ME to be focusing on JQ. It’s that whole perception and point-of-view thing I was talking about. Of course, I don’t run to the forums and post 2-3 pages worth of QQ that have alot of the players in the OTHER servers pointing and laughing at me. No, I expect this sort of thing in WvW generally and Tier 1 specifically. Of course, I don’t fault you…you are relatively new to Tier 1 after all.

You’re in a guild that bandwagoned to JQ from BG while BG was in T1 the last time, you know, months ago since BG is so new to T1. So I know exactly what is perception and what types I’m dealing with. Been on Blackgate all along and love to be double teamed, otherwise I wold bandwagon somewhere else for easy mode.

Yeah, my small guild of like 10 players bandwagoned to JQ, lmao. My guild avoids the zerg like the plague and hunts other small groups. What exactly does a guild that does THAT gain from bandwagoning to a winning server? I understand though…lacking a coherent argument you attack my guild. People like you always resort to that. It’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault when they fail. And you DO NOT love being double teamed, because as soon as you perceive that it’s happening…you flee to the forums to file a “hurt feelings report”. It clearly has you raging dude.

Miiaah.5416:

Orikx.9671:

Miiaah.5416:

Almost all of them eh? Funny I didn’t get the memo. Most of my “mates” got bored and went back to SWToR PvP until the patch.

This explains so much. Your idea of good Pv kitten WTOR. No wonder you can’t understand the concept of a 1v1v1. You probably think standing in Illum taking turns killing each faction for your daily killspasses as PvP.

Here I found an online game that might be more fitting of your play style.
http://www.pogo.com/games/battleship

Your reading comprehension appears lacking, when was it I said where my thoughts of good PvP were. I will tell you where PvP is not and it’s in 70 man vs 15 man or Ballista vs Player, Golem vs Door.

I’m a glory rank 36 by the way and what was your glory rank again considering this is where PvP resides outside 15-20 man groups. Are you calling WvWvW in its current state PvP?

So, what you’re saying is you’ve played alot of sPvP.

Diabien.6197:

Miiaah.5416:

crewthief.8649:

Miiaah.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Miiaah.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Miiaah.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Orikx.9671:

Miiaah.5416:

Sorry I provided an example to refute what you think is a good strategy

The fact that you think that Garison take is an example of anything speaks volumes.

Like I said. You are one of those vocal few that thinks everyone is 2v1 against BG. Just some quick post history of yours. I didn’t go through much because I am getting off work and it was easy to find a few fast examples.

Miiaah.5416:

From the JQ/SOs/BG fight.
“I don’t remember BG quitting when they were in an obvious double team their first week back in T1.”

“Yeah, 6 days of listening to JQ telling us to play for first by attacking SoS while they attacked BG and only BG. I wonder if T1 has always been this ridiculous”

“This, JQ waited 6 days to even touch SoS, I expect more of the same playing for second”

“Don’t get me wrong, the being outnumbered in a Garrison and having the other two servers zergballing you for 4 hours can be entertaining "

Enough said.

Hahahaha. Don’t you just love the recent post history information?

And all true too, you can probably dig further and find where the JQ person agreed and used some “attack the weakest link” excuse as to why they didn’t attack SoS. But as with your other SoR partner, you weren’t there so you wouldn’t even know what you’re replying to. Makes sense

Take a deep breathe. Now repeat after me. “Its just a game”. Feel better now?

I actually find it comical for the lack of a better word.

I find it comical how almost all your server mates want you to shut up about the 2v1 talk, yet you keep spewing your rhetoric. I would listen to them.

Almost all of them eh? Funny I didn’t get the memo. Most of my “mates” got bored and went back to SWToR PvP until the patch.

SWTOR PvP…LMAO! And dude, seriously, you need to take your meds. This public meltdown is embarrassing.

It is very embarrassing, hence your arrival right on Q

At least swtor pvp took a bit of skill. GW2 is just a zergfest of scrub guilds pretending theyre uber at gaming while hiding behind numbers. Take prx for example, flashing all over their webpage how many wins theyve got like they won it alone as a guild against other guilds when they usually get rolled open field against Choo and the likes on our server. No skill, just numbers and zerging behind walls. Btw did anyone figure out why they give themselves 2 wins per game, and even when they lose the game give themselves a win and a loss? I know people wanna make themselves look good via stats on websites but lol…… makes you wonder how much of their history is also faked.

Here’s an idea. Earn a spot in a small group and avoid zerging like the plague. SWTOR PvP took zero skill dude. Sorry if that was your claim to fame. WvW isn’t supposed to be fair or balanced, as soon as you accept that you’ll have alot more fun. Join a small group, avoid the zerg, roll other small groups, and have fun. OR, log in to the forums and complain that GW2 doesn’t require as much skill as SWTOR.

Lord Aargadon.4135:

Some foods need buffed, some need nerfed, some foods need added, but nourishment should stay. You shouldn’t look at food buffs as a sign of elitism and be discouraged, but instead try using them yourself. If your problem is something that can’t be solved like how some foods are vastly greater compared to others and only benefit your build, then roll a build that does work better or is more viable with food buffs.

Nourishment is a part of your build, but one you have to pay for continually instead of all at once like gear. Think of it as time limited trait. For those of you saying food is cheap, no it really isn’t , the cost stacks up quite a bit overtime, and don’t t6 tool buffs take t6 mats which are 5s and upward?

Stomp or be stomped, wvw is wvw.

You can earn a fair amount of gold per day just WvWing, each food buff lasts 30 minutes. You can earn enough gold to fund your food buffs doing nothing but WvW and have some left over.

Miiaah.5416:

crewthief.8649:

Miiaah.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Miiaah.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Miiaah.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Orikx.9671:

Miiaah.5416:

Sorry I provided an example to refute what you think is a good strategy

The fact that you think that Garison take is an example of anything speaks volumes.

Like I said. You are one of those vocal few that thinks everyone is 2v1 against BG. Just some quick post history of yours. I didn’t go through much because I am getting off work and it was easy to find a few fast examples.

Miiaah.5416:

From the JQ/SOs/BG fight.
“I don’t remember BG quitting when they were in an obvious double team their first week back in T1.”

“Yeah, 6 days of listening to JQ telling us to play for first by attacking SoS while they attacked BG and only BG. I wonder if T1 has always been this ridiculous”

“This, JQ waited 6 days to even touch SoS, I expect more of the same playing for second”

“Don’t get me wrong, the being outnumbered in a Garrison and having the other two servers zergballing you for 4 hours can be entertaining "

Enough said.

Hahahaha. Don’t you just love the recent post history information?

And all true too, you can probably dig further and find where the JQ person agreed and used some “attack the weakest link” excuse as to why they didn’t attack SoS. But as with your other SoR partner, you weren’t there so you wouldn’t even know what you’re replying to. Makes sense

Take a deep breathe. Now repeat after me. “Its just a game”. Feel better now?

I actually find it comical for the lack of a better word.

I find it comical how almost all your server mates want you to shut up about the 2v1 talk, yet you keep spewing your rhetoric. I would listen to them.

Almost all of them eh? Funny I didn’t get the memo. Most of my “mates” got bored and went back to SWToR PvP until the patch.

SWTOR PvP…LMAO! And dude, seriously, you need to take your meds. This public meltdown is embarrassing.

It is very embarrassing, hence your arrival right on Q

I know it’s asking alot, considering your post history…and my interaction with you, but if you could review the last couple of pages objectively, you’d see exactly what i’m talking about. Your argument is fundamentally flawed, because you’re Human. Maybe you’re too young, but i’ll let you in on a little secret; Your perception is influenced by your point-of-view. I know, shocking. Because you’re a player on Black Gate, all you ever see are red names from both JQ and SoR…and sometimes you see them at the same time and they seem to be focusing on you. The fact is, they may very well be. What you don’t see, is that BG and SoR sometimes seem TO ME to be focusing on JQ. It’s that whole perception and point-of-view thing I was talking about. Of course, I don’t run to the forums and post 2-3 pages worth of QQ that have alot of the players in the OTHER servers pointing and laughing at me. No, I expect this sort of thing in WvW generally and Tier 1 specifically. Of course, I don’t fault you…you are relatively new to Tier 1 after all.

dragon.8625:

I find it funny to read people from SoR saying they expect BG to implode, I read that a page back or so. Do you guys think just because the Gaiscioch Family took their time to create the Tuatha Alliance, that your community is strong enough to sit in third place? Wait my bad, yea it is, you guys will sit there forever and ever while BG and JQ beat down on you.

Point is, you guys took a bunch of server transfer, we all did, it would be stupid to point that out as a flaw in a server because it isn’t a flaw it’s a positive reinforcement to anyone receiving it, and even mentioning that shows jealousy that you didn’t receive the transfers into Tuatha, you don’t see us crying wolf.

My point is BG is just as strong, even though we don’t have GSCH as our glue, we have committed guilds and leaders and players. We dropped into T2 and became a wall that kaineng could not pass, and they sky rocketed from tier 6. Now if SoR was in Tier 2 at the time there is no way you’d have been that same stopping point for them, and they might have taken transfers from SoS instead and rocketed up into tier 1, leaving SoR behind in t2. could have, would have, didn’t, doesn’t matter any more. What we do have though is a stalemate, and unless everybody wants to watch JQ sit @ #1 for a really long time we have to do something about it.

The way I see it is if there should be any 2v1 happening, it should be the other 2 servers in Tier 1 beating up the big dog and taking him off his high seat, why?
Well let me tell you why, because they are #1 and we would be doing them a favor to rid them of their ego a little, call it spiritual enlightenment or something.

You guys are stuck in third, we are stuck in second, and JQ reaps all the glory while BG and SoR are fighting about it. I’m sure the guys on JQ are just watching and laughing because at the end of all of this, they are only ones that benefit. They can point fingers at us and get you to hate us, or they can point fingers at you and get us to hate you, or we can all point our swords towards JQ and start beating the crap out of them off of their stupid pedestal they stand on.

Can I trade my glory in for gold? 1st place receives nothing aside from bragging rights I suppose. You’ll never get two entire servers to team up for a week long match, besides, I don’t think SoR would be willing to team with BG for ANY reason. BG is going to have to earn 1st place the old fashioned way…by winning on their own merit.

scooby treat.8420:

As much as I LOVE my nourishments in WvW i feel it creates imbalance in WvW. For example you can create a high vitality/toughness build and then put on your nourishment that gives you power on the amount of toughness and vitality you have allowing you to hit much harder then you really should in my opinion as a vit/tough build. This imbalance is what leads certain builds to be marked as OP. Taking to much bleed damage? There is a nourishment for that too making some build useless in WvW because the build is based on dealing condition damage. Like I said I love my nourishments but I think they should go as they create to much imbalance in WvW Doing this would also allow you to see the other imbalances in classes and tweak them easier.

Everyone has the same access to this stuff. And it isn’t difficult or expensive to get. I don’t see the problem here.

Ascii.9726:

Flowchart for anyone wondering if your servers the place for you.

So. Leave the JQ zergball to join the SoR zergball? Where are your small groups???

Miiaah.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Miiaah.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Miiaah.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Orikx.9671:

Miiaah.5416:

Sorry I provided an example to refute what you think is a good strategy

The fact that you think that Garison take is an example of anything speaks volumes.

Like I said. You are one of those vocal few that thinks everyone is 2v1 against BG. Just some quick post history of yours. I didn’t go through much because I am getting off work and it was easy to find a few fast examples.

Miiaah.5416:

From the JQ/SOs/BG fight.
“I don’t remember BG quitting when they were in an obvious double team their first week back in T1.”

“Yeah, 6 days of listening to JQ telling us to play for first by attacking SoS while they attacked BG and only BG. I wonder if T1 has always been this ridiculous”

“This, JQ waited 6 days to even touch SoS, I expect more of the same playing for second”

“Don’t get me wrong, the being outnumbered in a Garrison and having the other two servers zergballing you for 4 hours can be entertaining "

Enough said.

Hahahaha. Don’t you just love the recent post history information?

And all true too, you can probably dig further and find where the JQ person agreed and used some “attack the weakest link” excuse as to why they didn’t attack SoS. But as with your other SoR partner, you weren’t there so you wouldn’t even know what you’re replying to. Makes sense

Take a deep breathe. Now repeat after me. “Its just a game”. Feel better now?

I actually find it comical for the lack of a better word.

I find it comical how almost all your server mates want you to shut up about the 2v1 talk, yet you keep spewing your rhetoric. I would listen to them.

Almost all of them eh? Funny I didn’t get the memo. Most of my “mates” got bored and went back to SWToR PvP until the patch.

SWTOR PvP…LMAO! And dude, seriously, you need to take your meds. This public meltdown is embarrassing.

Teamkiller.4315:

crewthief.8649:

Niim.9260:

war.3790:

I can see all of these posts are written by scrubs from lower tiers.

a) WvW is not a place for Glass cannons, if you run a GC with any class you just revived the whole enemie team in Zerg v Zerg battles.
You can run GC, but only if you are like chasing yaks, ganking ppl who are alone trying to regroop, other than that, useless .
b) Perfect team would be :
5 Guardians
3 Mesmers
5 Elementalists
5 Warriors
2 Necros
All running PTV gear
(You can bring thieves or rangers if you need someone to afk on the treb )

We love running up against PTV zergs, you can kite them across the map without them being able to kill you. Group play is about synergy and glass cannon is acceptable if played right and the synergy from the group provides them the protection they need.

Granted if your a scrub, regardless of tier, then everyone in PTV might make the most sense for you.

^This

Alot of classes have built-in survivability. Glass cannon CAN be perfectly viable depending on class and player skill. As a caveat, there are certain classes that absolutely kitten themselves running glass cannon, but Mesmers and Thieves, in the right players hands, are totally viable.

In general a thief that builds for about 2.5-2.6k toughness can still hit a kittenload of damage. (you can watch Yishis’ videos, and his build). He can still hit those 5k backstabs on bunker guardians, still drop lowbies with a single backstab, and still 2 shot glass cannons. I would much rather prefer a thief with 2.5k-2.6k toughness and 17k hp in my party than a full GC thief, while hitting only maybe 20% lower. And I’d rather fight a GC thief than a bunkery thief because I can drop half a GCs thief’s with one attack from my hammer that is both AOE and recharges every 4 seconds whereas a toughness thief? Well let’s just say he’ll be using his utilities a LOT less than a GC thief.

But yes, you can be GC and “survivable” but…not really…especially not ikittenvZ where you have meteor showers dropping everywhere because you know 10 staff eles.

Well, I do agree with enough planning and research, you can build a tough, durable character with nearly the same amount of damage as a glass cannon. And I suppose I was referencing from a small group perspective. In ZvZ warfare, a glass cannon is quite a bit more hazardous for your health…but can still be pulled off factoring in player skill and class. I think what I was getting at is that certain classes are at least VIABLE as glass cannons. There are other classes however, that completely miss the mark by gearing glass cannon. Of course, if you’re looking for optimal performance in all aspects of WvW, I think a durable toon is the way to go. I like Valkyrie/Knight mix with some rubies in a few spots.

P.S. Pretty sure you meant 2.5-2.6k armor rather than toughness. Not sure 2.5k toughness is even possible.

Forestgreen.7981:

I await the massive lag fest that is WvW. If you think day1 of Jormag events were bad since you’ll be lucky to just autoattack, I hope people will be ok with just showing up to a zerg fight and show up dead 5 minutes later since you’re computer just crashed.

Best of luck Tier1!!!!

Run in a small group, avoid the zerg, and you won’t have to worry about that. ;P

Liquid.9672:

Meh whatever. At least it’s some discussion going on, with points and counter points. Better than a lot of the other crap that’s been spewed forth in this thread.

What do you mean? These threads are always full of nothing but great sportsmanship and “attaboys”.

Niim.9260:

war.3790:

I can see all of these posts are written by scrubs from lower tiers.

a) WvW is not a place for Glass cannons, if you run a GC with any class you just revived the whole enemie team in Zerg v Zerg battles.
You can run GC, but only if you are like chasing yaks, ganking ppl who are alone trying to regroop, other than that, useless .
b) Perfect team would be :
5 Guardians
3 Mesmers
5 Elementalists
5 Warriors
2 Necros
All running PTV gear
(You can bring thieves or rangers if you need someone to afk on the treb )

We love running up against PTV zergs, you can kite them across the map without them being able to kill you. Group play is about synergy and glass cannon is acceptable if played right and the synergy from the group provides them the protection they need.

Granted if your a scrub, regardless of tier, then everyone in PTV might make the most sense for you.

^This

Alot of classes have built-in survivability. Glass cannon CAN be perfectly viable depending on class and player skill. As a caveat, there are certain classes that absolutely kitten themselves running glass cannon, but Mesmers and Thieves, in the right players hands, are totally viable.

VOLKON.1290:

BakaOniiChan.9564:

Pmetheus.5397:

BakaOniiChan.9564:

SFShinigami.2015:

I like the part where you completely ignore the moral of the story and continue on with your kitten

Just because something isn’t in the rules, doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do.

RIGHT THING TO DO? YOU ARE IN WvW correct? WHAT DO U DO? YOU FIGHT THE OTHER SERVERS. There is a reason why names are red… BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUR ENEMY!… If ANet intended for you not to kill them then they wouldn’t make your oppositions name red. I don’t get what you guys are getting at here. You guys set up a place to fight an unofficial place an “unwritten rule” and expect people not to go there to kill you guys. No place is off limits. Players can be anywhere at any time. If you saw 40 red names in front of you, you aren’t going to go see what they are doing… you are going go there and prepare to fight.

Calm the kitten down kiddo. You’re embarrassing your server. That being said, if you are that adamant about not following a general code of conduct that we in the guild wars community abide by, maybe this game isn’t for you. I hear there are certain games in the genre of FPS that caters to your demographic.

Edited for spelling

Maybe it isn’t but I’m here anyways playing the game the way it is intended. I’m not embarrassing anyone. No code of conduct anywhere states no one can interrupt a GvG going on. So when you are done trying to play mommy, how about actually playing WvW the way it is intended and give us more loot bags?

To be fair, the degree of self-righteous indignation you’re displaying over being called for what many consider an act of bad sportsmanship could easily be seen my many associated with you by server as embarrassing indeed. You forget the example set in World War II in Germany. On Christmas day, troops from both sides laid down arms, came together and celebrated Christmas together on the field of battle. There were no “written rules”, they just did what was the right thing to do.

Um…Not sure about this. I’m aware that on Christmas Day, 82nd and 101st Soldiers could hear the Germans singing Christmas Carols in their foxholes. But actually coming together and having egg nog and celebrating…lol, not sure that’s historically accurate. The event i’m speaking of was during the Battle of the Bulge, in the Ardennes Forest. Of course, there was a ceasefire that day…so that much is accurate. But they didn’t join together in any kind of harmonious celebration.

So…I heard some guild broke up a GvG match in a PvP zone? Lame? Yes. Worthy of three pages of forum posts? Not entirely sure. Why don’t you just make a point of steamrolling FEAR every time you run into them? That would send a much stronger message, in my opinion. You’re kind of playing right into their hands by going on and on about it in this thread.

Straegen.2938:

I think we are all forgetting the “21st man” on the team, Vent/Mumble/Teamspeak. Any team running on a voice channel with a lead has a massive advantage over a group that doesn’t.

Isn’t it safe to assume that the perfect 20 man team would be in Vent/Mumble/Teamspeak? Does ANY organized, self-respecting team NOT run together in some sort of second party voice comms?

Gully.7358:

Meurto.8520:

Took a break from EB due to the massive queues and ran into the guilds Opp and RIOT in SOR BL. Was refreshing finding some small group skirmishes and had a blast trying trying to take you guys on even solo after my guildies logged.

Opp – bring less thiefs! And that ranger… you must die faster!

RIOT – holy batkitten…. I thought that ranger might die quickly, but I was terribly mistaken. I think he was tankier than the guardian AND the ele.

Hope to see more of you guys. Your friendly thief in TSFR.
/salute

Sorry about the thieves, we try to bring some balance to our groups but I think you might have caught us at a bad time when most people might have gone for a break

The ranger has been impressing us a lot too, he normally plays an elementalist and he was level 1 less then a week ago. We’re both still trying to figure out what we can really do with a ranger but it’s been a great learning experience. To see somebody giving props to a guy who only just picked up the class means we’re on the right track

As for Riot, they’re our brothers… some really great players to hang out with and to fight along side with

Our small group’s run into you guys a couple times. It was your Thief group as well…if I remember correctly. We’ve also run into a group with the tag “PHD”, pretty decent players as well. Always nice to run into other small groups. We pretty much never run with more than 5 in a group. Alot of times smaller than that.

To the purple haired CHOO Mesmer, good fights down South in BG BL around the Supply Camp. I was on my Guardian…you and I squared off a number of times.

Yeah, the skill lag is crazy bad. I’ve died several times because all I could do was Auto Attack.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

The lag in SM was so bad for a few minutes that I almost cried. True story.

We’ve ran in to a couple of your small groups. Good fights.

Ross Biddle.2367:

From the outside, from a roamer, or small group perspective zerging looks ridiculous.

That’s because it IS ridiculous. 40-50 people spamming their skills on cooldown isn’t remotely difficult OR skillful. The tactics of moving people around the map and sieging objectives tactically…there’s a level of skill involved in that. But the act of being a zergling amongst a zerg requires very little in the way of actual skillful gameplay. In fact, in my opinion, it degrades individual skill.

Dynnen.6405:

1) Un-cap aoe/boons
– Forces zergs to be aware of their surroundings
– Would balance the damage output of small man vs large man fights
* In a pitched battle between a five man and a 20 man, each player of the 20 man can produce damage against 100% of the 5 man. However the 5 man can only produce damage against 25% of the 20 man.
– With aoe from zergs being such a larger threat to enemy zergs fights would be more about maneuvering/tactics rather than sheer numbers.

2) Increase the size of the WvW maps.
– With more distance between defense points fights in open field between zergs would be more dynamic.
– Siege weapons placed in defense points (towers/keeps) should not be able to hit other defense points. This would make sieges more dynamic as well

3) Culling
– Work in progress.

Uncapping AoE damage would be of HUGE benefit to small roaming groups. It’d teach alot of zerglings a very valuable lesson about situational awareness.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Soseman.2851:

I am a player on the Black Gate server. I am curious if there is any truth to the alliance of Jade Quarry and Sanctum of Rall. If there is and anet ppl are on Jade Quarry then what kind of game are we playing where the ppl involved in game creation are cheating it. Maybe i am wrong and none of this is going on but it would be nice to have a formal explanation.

I’ll clear up your false perception.

An alliance assumes some sort of gathering and official deceleration whereby both parties agree to go to war against some other party.

This cannot be farther from the truth.

Instead JQ is fighting everybody. SoR have a coverage issue, and thus cannot hope to win the week (despite rolling JQ and BG in their fully manned hours). Thus, SoR are what’s known as King Makers. SoR players and guilds (on a per player/guild basis) can decide who they hate more on any given week, pick out which server/guilds have been talking themselves up the most, and then ignore one server while focusing down the other to show them who’s really in charge.

No, there’s no alliance between JQ and SoR. But SoR will destroy you if and when it feels like.

~Fin.

(P.S, If you’re feeling outgunned I’m sure you can hire out some mercenaries from an enemy server. With enough gold you can direct anyone anywhere.)

Out of curiosity, does SoR have fully manned hours during the weekend? Because they aren’t rolling anybody. I find the claim of their NA superiority to be completely overstated.

To the OP…no, there isn’t an alliance, lol.

Phoenix the One.4071:

So all in all we need:

Faster autoattack combo with hammer.
Better damage and utility for 1h sword.

I wouldn’t mind that:)

Faster AA speed on Hammer would put it in the over powered category. AA speed is fine, just takes alot of practice to perfect it.

Fallen.2158:

Zergs are unfortunately a necessary entity. If everyone was in 5-10 man groups taking objectives nothing would ever get flipped. The reason is because while your defending a castle or even supply points when its 5v5 one team will have the advantage of the NPC’s making there #‘s larger. To an extent, bigger #’s win. When a fight gets scaled to 20 vs 30 the smaller side has potential to win, but its obvious if you were to just run all in and clash the bigger number wins. Taking points though would just be to hard to have Only small groups. Defending > attacking always. Nothing would get flipped without at least one large force coming and kicking your door in.

Our roaming group of 4-5 takes Supply Camps with 5+ defenders guarding it on a very regular basis. The NPCs aren’t a major factor to a strong havoc squad.

Toast.6459:

crewthief.8649:

Toast.6459:

Soon as all the bandwagoners leave JQ or BG and one, or both, of those servers crash and burn, which I can’t wait for, you’ll likely have your shot.

I predict this post will generate large amounts of rage, likely by the very bandwagoners mentioned.
Called it WvWvDrama a couple months ago, WvWvBandwagon seems more fitting now.

I don’t see JQ crashing OR burning any time soon, but I can understand your frustration. LOL.

I do.

Bandwagoners leave > coverage drops considerably, massively might be a better word > “loyal guilds” get mad they aren’t roflstomping everything in their path at all hours anymore > they decide to follow the bandwagon train > JQ dies

Right, but what you’re suggesting is completely without precedent…with regard to JQ. We were Tier 1 for five months before any of these so-called band wagoning guilds even showed up. You’re using your emotions to try and predict something that you WANT to happen…and then sell it off as fact. One of those major guilds has jumped more than once, PRX. JQ would survive minus PRX, despite how much they might aid in the war effort. We went many months without dominating the opposition, there’s nothing to suggest that that is the only motivation keeping the core guilds on the server.

I understand that you probably can’t imagine there being any other objective but one that is either completely self-serving or the simple desire to steamroll the competition…but perhaps most of the guilds on Jade Quarry appreciate the community. OR maybe your version is correct and the entire server is in on a vast conspiracy to dominate WvW and face as little real competition as possible. I know i’m probably wasting my time even bothering with you, since you obviously have a very personal feeling about a group of people you’ve never met that happen to play on a different server, but I figured i’d give it a go. Maybe think with your head a little more than your heart in the future.

Toast.6459:

Soon as all the bandwagoners leave JQ or BG and one, or both, of those servers crash and burn, which I can’t wait for, you’ll likely have your shot.

I predict this post will generate large amounts of rage, likely by the very bandwagoners mentioned.
Called it WvWvDrama a couple months ago, WvWvBandwagon seems more fitting now.

I don’t see JQ crashing OR burning any time soon, but I can understand your frustration. LOL.

Good fights to all the roaming havoc squads last night.

Thesilentflute.8761:

Lol i think blackgate dashed leo’s hopes of glory by not winning in his second day on the server lol. I wish they would as well leo I do hope you find greener pastures.

I thought the exact same thing when I read his post, lol.

Awesome job SBI. Miss you guys.

IomegadriveOne.5291:

For those wondering how BG went from having many keeps to barely any last night, and for those under the impression JQ won by simply pulling everything together, let me explain what happened.

Last night around the time the night shift was coming on, there was a report of PRX (From JQ) exploiting in order to take a keep. It was reported on page 24-26. A Mesmer in this guild would get downed, use a skill, and get ported into the keep, they would then drop an exit to their portal and allow the zerg to rush in and take the keep. This was reported numerous times on many different keeps. That is how we went from several keeps to barely any in such a small amount of time. Obviously SoR was going to be saved for last because they were obviously not going to win. This apparently continued until the guild member left. JQ apparently succeeded in sweeping this under the rug because not only was it barely mentioned, but JQ didn’t even bother to find out who the person doing the exploit was. We couldn’t because we were getting zerged down after each exploit. JQ did not win fairly and anyone on last night knows this. This is where the 2v1 accusations are coming from, but that wasn’t the case. It was someone from PRX (I believe) exploiting into keeps last night. The report about it is on Page 24-26, in that range, along with JQ ignoring it for the most part. Congrats guys on trashing the good name of JQ again. But if you honestly believe that the JQ coverage jumped for no reason at all on a THURSDAY then by all means think that. But it goes against every battle everyone has ever faced in WvW.

Here is quote from the top of page 25:

Interesting morning where i saw Jade Quarry doing some very unsportsmanlike things.
I myself am simply a solo SoR thief, and was minding my own business between east supply and Hills. I make my way down the back valley towards Hills where i saw a JQ zerg all stacked up under the Vista of the BG owned Keep.

I thought, oh cool im gonna watch this, so stayed back watching and saw the commander was in PRX, and then saw a mesmer jump from above to teleport them in, i didnt catch the mesmer’s tag. I looked up and saw a bunch of BG at the top where the mesmer jumped from, it was the guild HB. The Mesmer died on his fall, which was funny.

The HB crew then went from sight, maybe to engage the JQ below, and the PRX zerg rezzed up the fallen Mesmer. The mesmer then jumps UP the cliff to the Vista and ports the whole PRX zerg up to the top. If i knew what they were doing i would have turned Fraps on.
Very bad PRX, very bad.

Then, about 20 minutes later im walking past hills again and see that its open, so i pop inside for a look around and see FOO outside the Lords room. This was pretty fun to watch until i saw exactly what they were doing. They had an arrow cart to the left of the lord room, and when i say left i dont mean just to the left so he can still view the doorway, i mean way left towards the supply hut. The guy is standing there firing his arrow cart INTO the lord room, obviously killing all the seige that was inside before they rolled in and killed HB.

So, if you win this game JQ, i would like to say grats but unfortunately i can’t as i now do not know exactly how many of those points you have cheated your way to.

Good Luck Blackgate, i hope you win this one even though i hate you.

Apparently the guy that reported this was from SoR…and PRX are pretty much known to do stuff like this.

Actually, there have been multiple late-game comebacks in Tier 1 WvW, this is not without precedent. Though I can understand your doubt considering Blackgate’s lack of Tier 1 experience. SBI came back from alot further than this in a match with JQ. 14k is nothing really.

Vash.9183:

I don’t really like to get involved with forums wars, but some of you JQ and SoR members are acting a bit too proud for people who decide to double-team Blackgate to rack up your scores.

Awww…how cute. Hey, i’ve heard that in a 3 way battle a double team is almost a certainty at times. Can anyone confirm this?

Zidane.5297:

crewthief.8649:

Interesting that there hasn’t been a whole lot of discussion about JQ for the past 2-3 days in this thread, and then suddenly as the gap narrows, a bunch of exploitation and hacking accusations on this page, lol. JQ finishes strong…FACT. May wanna go ahead and adapt to that.

Interesting that you didn’t say a kitten thing for the past 2-3 days until now. You just need some JQ pom poms to complete the trolling.

I’m sorry, who are you and why do you matter again? Thanks for paying attention to how much I post though.

Pvp.2758:

crewthief.8649:

Interesting that there hasn’t been a whole lot of discussion about JQ for the past 2-3 days in this thread, and then suddenly as the gap narrows, a bunch of exploitation and hacking accusations on this page, lol. JQ finishes strong…FACT. May wanna go ahead and adapt to that.

BG thinks they are good because they get a horde of players, but JQ is just a better server in general.

Well, I won’t sleight the entire server…but the accusations (without any proof whatsoever), are pretty lame. Win or lose, just fight hard. The match has been incredibly close, I mean honestly, 1K difference six days into a Tier 1 match? Awesome. Don’t sully it with a bunch of “he said, she said”.

Interesting that there hasn’t been a whole lot of discussion about JQ for the past 2-3 days in this thread, and then suddenly as the gap narrows, a bunch of exploitation and hacking accusations on this page, lol. JQ finishes strong…FACT. May wanna go ahead and adapt to that.