Guild Wars 2

Miiaah.5416:

crewthief.8649:

Verdict is still out on Blackgate and how they will fare in T1. JQ is proven, BG is not…yet. Not to mention, with all the recent transfers Blackgates’ identity has changed. We shall see I suppose. But I would warn against chest thumping before your server has even won a single match in T1. Like, ever.

Who in Blackgate has chest thumped and what is it JQ has proven? That they can play for second or third for months, I think Blackgate has proven they play to win even when massively out numbered as they were while in T1. Blackgate has played for first for months, so what is it you’re handing advice to Blackgate about…….finally winning something after months by crawling, and begging to others to stack your server. People came to Blackgate of their own free will

Um…Jade Quarry has proven it can win Tier 1??? I wouldn’t have thought i’d have to explain that. JQ has been in T1 for longer than any other server in the game. Not trying to discredit anything BG has done, but come on…do I have to spell this stuff out? And are you implying that guilds came to JQ through something other than their own free will? FACT: BG has never won Tier 1. FACT: JQ has won Tier 1 on multiple occasions. Get here, win Tier 1, then we’ll talk. JQ has nothing to prove to BG…sorry.

Vodka.3958:

BenL.5312:

Being objective, BG coming up to T1 will make the match competitive.

In all honesty, BG might not be ready for T1 but it will be at least be able to offer some decent competition. There are still many things that need to be “tuned up” in terms of fighting capabilities on BG. I would actually prefer BG to be in T2 for abit longer.

Lest anybody accuse me of being a JQ player spreading negative sentiments, I am from Blackgate. That is simply how it stands at the moment in terms of facts.

I also hope that the members of BG refrain from all the chest thumping about trashing server X or server Y. It will cause unreasonable expectations and destroy morale. Server morale needs to be handled cautiously and built up carefully if we want to do well in T1.

I think what you’re seeing in our server right now is better or equal to what T1 is doing. We are very familiar with their tactics and have actually revamped it and made it our own. But of course, there is only one way to find out for sure and hopefully next week you’ll be able to see for yourself how well we’ve progressed in T2.

So Tarnished Coast and Kaineng are better or equal to SoR and SoS from 2-3 weeks ago before their guilds transferred? Because the T1 matches haven’t really been close for the past three weeks (according to the scoreboard, don’t anyone get bent out of shape).

Altie.4571:

crewthief.8649:

Here’s what I would do if I were on SoR/SoS; When SoR or BG are capable of putting up a 695 PPT against JQ, i’d remember those JQ members who posted in here and troll them like crazy if they had the audacity to complain. Of course, first you’ll have to be able to muster a 695 PPT. About that…

Or they could just show some tact and respect.

Something JQ seems to be greatly lacking.

I agree. The ‘hive mind’ that is JQ has really run off the tracks. I suppose posts like this are further proof that WvW is a PvE/PvP hybrid.

Hint – Most of my post, that you quoted, was tongue-in-cheek.

fivekiller.1432:

crewthief.8649:

fivekiller.1432:

BG has never done poorly in T1.

They were proving to be at least as strong as the current servers but were pushed out by SOR fighting a dead server.

BG fared well before all of this. BG will only fare better now.

I wouldn’t warn anyone against chest thumping.

Every server “chest thumps” and thats half the reason i read these threads. some people are getting way too aggravated by folks being proud/excited they are doing well in a game and making a post about it.

I say post away if you’re proud. Thats what forums are for.

Well, if you’ll reread my post, you’ll note that I never stated that BG ‘did poorly’ in T1. I said they’ve never ‘won’ a Tier 1 match…because they haven’t. And about the chest thumping, it’s generally better to chest thump when you’re actually winning, than chest thumping while you’re still playing in the Minor Leagues. Just saying, copy/paste can be a cold, cruel mistress, lol.

no reread necessary, i never made the claim that you said such a statement. my post was speculation.

speculation and a bit of a rant on how i am irked with so many people posting about “class” as if they expect an internet forum to be some sort of classy venue, a hub of civility. I wonder if this obsession with “class” is just a holdover from the attitudes many adopted while trying to maintain a public image and recruit for their servers. or perhaps its just a way to name-call and insult others without being moderated.

i have no idea, it could just be my personal peeve and of no concern.

It’s political correctness…everyone’s scared to death to risk hurting someones precious feelings. There is no real chest thumping in this forum because of how heavily it’s moderated. MOST people would do well to thicken their skin a bit.

fivekiller.1432:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Pushing a server completely off a map is impossible if they have a somewhat small force because they can just hold their supply camp that is a 30 second run from their spawn. The only way to get a 695 tick is if their is literally no one in WvW or if people are just doing jumping puzzles.

This is absolutely untrue.

JQ was pushed completely to spawn with no supply for hours a couple of Friday nights. This was on friday night when everyone, including JQ, was queued.

Also, the comment about a 695 tick only being possible if there “is literally no one in WvW” is untrue as well. I saw a screenshot recently of a SOR player present in WvW outside of the jumping puzzle near their spawn point while JQ held such a tick.

Stop it, you’re ruining a perfectly viable excuse.

Resonance.4216:

morrolan.9608:

crewthief.8649:

I think I know what happened. I’m thinking ‘some’ people couldn’t handle losing and lacked the intestinal fortitude to even bother fighting back, and instead went the easier, softer way and hopped to BG.

This is rather ironic considering why JQ are now no. 1.

Ah kitten I was hoping no one would tell him that, I got a good chuckle out of it.

I’m not aware of any mass exodus of guilds from JQ when we were being beaten by SoS week in, and week out. Are you privvy to something i’m not?

morrolan.9608:

crewthief.8649:

I think I know what happened. I’m thinking ‘some’ people couldn’t handle losing and lacked the intestinal fortitude to even bother fighting back, and instead went the easier, softer way and hopped to BG.

This is rather ironic considering why JQ are now no. 1.

I’ve been on JQ since BWE, can’t speak for other people/guilds. I know I continued to WvW in spite of being beaten for weeks and weeks by SoS, and never considered transferring off. In case you didn’t notice, i’m not ‘President of JQ’, so you can go ahead and take my opinion for exactly what it is…my opinion.

Esoteric.5490:

crewthief.8649:

DivineBeing.2086:

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

DivineBeing.2086:

No they shouldn’t.

BG needs one more week in tier 2 please.

No you will not SoR the ratings!!

SoR is the only server that can manipulate the ratings mmmmkay?

JQ and BG should work to keep BG in T2 for another week (or two) and keep the T1 match exactly as it is. Work on alts, PVE some, etc…..

It will give the old and new BG guilds a chance to coalesce and get to know each other better….. …. .. .

This.

The guilds that are transferring to BG aren’t even close to be fully transferred yet. MERC alone doesn’t even have 1/5 of their members yet.

We need another week.

But strangely enough, you have members from that same understrength guild in this thread chest thumping and forewarning JQ, lol. Nah, come on up to T1, get some ‘on the job training’. SoR and SoS tears are old and stale, we need some fresh tears up here.

Please stop. There is no need to say the things you are saying. When Blackgate moves back to Tier 1, we simply hope to compete. We will be content with good fights. Hope to see you on the field, sir.

Got it man, as do I. I really enjoyed facing BG when they were up here a few weeks ago. I was referring to a member of a certain guild chest thumping on the first page. Nothing but respect for the vast majority of BG. Best of luck, and looking forward to some renewed competition.

fivekiller.1432:

crewthief.8649:

Verdict is still out on Blackgate and how they will fare in T1. JQ is proven, BG is not…yet. Not to mention, with all the recent transfers Blackgates’ identity has changed. We shall see I suppose. But I would warn against chest thumping before your server has even won a single match in T1. Like, ever.

BG has never done poorly in T1.

They were proving to be at least as strong as the current servers but were pushed out by SOR fighting a dead server.

BG fared well before all of this. BG will only fare better now.

I wouldn’t warn anyone against chest thumping.

Every server “chest thumps” and thats half the reason i read these threads. some people are getting way too aggravated by folks being proud/excited they are doing well in a game and making a post about it.

I say post away if you’re proud. Thats what forums are for.

Well, if you’ll reread my post, you’ll note that I never stated that BG ‘did poorly’ in T1. I said they’ve never ‘won’ a Tier 1 match…because they haven’t. And about the chest thumping, it’s generally better to chest thump when you’re actually winning, than chest thumping while you’re still playing in the Minor Leagues. Just saying, copy/paste can be a cold, cruel mistress, lol.

DivineBeing.2086:

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

DivineBeing.2086:

No they shouldn’t.

BG needs one more week in tier 2 please.

No you will not SoR the ratings!!

SoR is the only server that can manipulate the ratings mmmmkay?

JQ and BG should work to keep BG in T2 for another week (or two) and keep the T1 match exactly as it is. Work on alts, PVE some, etc…..

It will give the old and new BG guilds a chance to coalesce and get to know each other better….. …. .. .

This.

The guilds that are transferring to BG aren’t even close to be fully transferred yet. MERC alone doesn’t even have 1/5 of their members yet.

We need another week.

But strangely enough, you have members from that same understrength guild in this thread chest thumping and forewarning JQ, lol. Nah, come on up to T1, get some ‘on the job training’. SoR and SoS tears are old and stale, we need some fresh tears up here.

EnRohbi.2187:

crewthief.8649:

Haldunius.7864:

I didn’t see Kaineng create threads like this when they were destroying underpopulated servers. Why should JQ?

Okay, can’t let this one go. Although I don’t necessarily condone this kind of chest thumping…do you really need the difference broken down to you? Do I need to explain to you the difference between defeating a T6-T7 opponent this badly and defeating two other T1 servers this badly?

Kaineng also did do its fair share of bragging about how awesome they were while they were steamrolling the lower tiers.

Haven’t heard a peep from them about The Mighty Unstoppable Kaineng since tier 2 though :P

Everyone does it. It’s pretty much Human nature. Mostly.

Resonance.4216:

uberkingkong.8041:

Resonance.4216:

Amazing what JQ can do when playing against NPCs. Seriously outstanding.

See you next week, “champs”.

Yeah I mean, SoR and SoS they so tired of getting steamrolled by JQ they just stopped playing WvW. You wonder why they always complain about not fielding enough numbers. Its because they know they aint got no chance in hell so why even log into WvW when playing against JQ.

It must be nice not knowing a thing about what SoS internal politics was like from your position, and then deciding to post about it here.

Again, see you next week.

I think I know what happened. I’m thinking ‘some’ people couldn’t handle losing and lacked the intestinal fortitude to even bother fighting back, and instead went the easier, softer way and hopped to BG. But hey, i could be way off. Either way, looking forward to crushing you and your server next week. Maybe this time we can get your guild to quit the game, instead of just the server, lol.

Haldunius.7864:

I didn’t see Kaineng create threads like this when they were destroying underpopulated servers. Why should JQ?

Okay, can’t let this one go. Although I don’t necessarily condone this kind of chest thumping…do you really need the difference broken down to you? Do I need to explain to you the difference between defeating a T6-T7 opponent this badly and defeating two other T1 servers this badly?

sostronk.8167:

How does one become a “super server”. Didn’t BG only get nD and MERC? Or are there more guilds that transferred that I don’t know about?

FoE and AGG as well, but about a week ago I suppose. SoS started losing and guilds started hopping off the server like rats from a sinking ship. I guess it’s just vogue right now to go ahead and hand these guys the trophy, lol. I’m thinking our server might have something to say about that. Hopefully they come into T1 with the expectation to win.

Verdict is still out on Blackgate and how they will fare in T1. JQ is proven, BG is not…yet. Not to mention, with all the recent transfers Blackgates’ identity has changed. We shall see I suppose. But I would warn against chest thumping before your server has even won a single match in T1. Like, ever.

MarMaster.6241:

Looking back in history, a popular activity.
http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/6#na
Look at the scores of the now current T1 server’s results. Notice the large score evolutions.
SoS, and SoR are obviously quite capable of dominating.
At the same time, this was the beginning of SBI’s tier 1 leadership.

Yeah, but neither of those servers were PvDing, they scored all those points in the ‘open field’… >.>

Thundar.3910:

Peetee.9406:

wish.3102:

Wasn’t JQ just winning the NA afternoon time weekend PPT? Did all the SOS and SOR players suddenly give up and don’t log onto WvW at all now? I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ABOUT THE FIGHTS!!!

It is about the fights.

We’re done spending countless hours whacking on the doors and walls of your T3 keeps/towers in your home BL, that kitten is dull and boring. Keep them and your point tick, congratulations you’re going to win again.

If you want to fight us Choo is in red, TW is in blue, and CDS/FEAR are in EB. If you don’t want to fight us, that’s fine too. SoS always puts up a good fight.

Stop trying to explain it man, its like teaching a rock to swim, its not going to work. I would advise SoR as a whole to completely remove itself from these threads, aside from simple score updates.

That would certainly be my advice to you.

What’s the price, in gem cost, for a transfer? And then, with that, you have to take into account that moving an entire guild would be orders of magnitude MORE expensive.

Mouse.3271:

crewthief.8649:

But I do not believe i’ve seen any JQ members outright deny that superior coverage is playing a significant role in our recent string of victories.

I think you’re misunderstanding the use of deny, and it’s part of what I was saying in my post. You’re basically denying the legitimacy of others to have concerns about population/coverage, dismissing it as “whining”. It’s made all the more illogical by the fact that we know JQ has experienced this as much as any of the other servers have. Given that fact, when the tables are turned, one would expect a bit more understanding and less poking the bear.

I’ve been on all three servers in this matchup at some point or another since release, so I’ve been on both sides of this coin.

It is a problem. Obviously. We all expected a bit more from WvW than the reality we find it in currently. This is my problem with the tone of alot of posts; They attack my server for the way the game mechanics are currently implemented. I will not deny the issue with how coverage affects the scoreboard in WvW, but why then is it necessary to log in to the forums and attack another community of gamers because of it? THAT is what I have issue with. The accusations against my server of ‘no skill’, ‘headless zerglings’, ‘wanting free wins’, etc…Not everyone fits neatly into any of those compartments, I know i’ve been on JQ since BWE 2 (I believe) and have endured all the ups and downs inherent in a game mode as unstable as WvW (especially prior to free transfers ending).

Cirus.5748:

drwookie.6391:

Cirus.5748:

drwookie.6391:

Cirus.5748:

What the people on Jade Quarry don’t realise, is that your stacked server is destroying the rest of the WvW competition.

It doesn’t effect you because you’re winning by 100k points, right? Wrong.

It’s squeezing the life out of the other tier 1 servers, more people are becoming discouraged because it’s not fun to get steamrolled at your spawn on 4 fronts 24/7. You will come to a realization that you had more fun when the competition was close and epic battles were fought against worthy enemies.

You’ll get bored of spawn camping and PvDooring, then your server will self destruct and top tier WvW will die with you.

Think about it.

What suggestion do you have? Stop playing? Pay to transfer?

We agree all suffering at the hands of the games mechanics. Think of it more like Enders game…we aren’t enemies! The teachers are the enemies!

Whatever gives you the most fun.

Transferring off to even up the tier wouldn’t be the worst option, if it’s a contest you seek.

Allow me to elaborate.

This was tier 1 before Jade Quarry was stacked: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/37/17

This was tier 1 after Jade Quarry was stacked http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/37/19

And this is last week http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/37/22

Note, on the graphs the spacing of the total points between the 1st placed server and the rest. This is a key indicator of how equal the servers are.

I don’t deny the large influx of players we had, and I also don’t deny that it has unbalanced the matchup. However one thing to remember is that we were not the only server “recruiting” during that time. In fact if I recall correctly, I believe SoS (the winning server at the time) made a “recruitment” post on this forum before JQ did. Yes in the end way got way more, and the reasons for that I can’t completely spell out with confidence.

In any case, given the way things are now I understand your suggestion (leaving to find better battles). Some people on JQ, given enough time, may do just that. Perhaps we will go the way of HoD. However, being on JQ since the beta weekends, and having all of my friends on JQ I’m not going anywhere.

Believe what you will, but when I log onto WvW there are still fun fights to be had. Yes sometimes I log on during those hours that we have a massive population advantage, but perhaps I just live in a time zone where I get to see both. I still frequently log on when we are ticking in the 100’s. And even if we are ticking in the 400’s, I can still have some fun fights, and at the very least I can hang out in TS with friends.

While WvW could be better (balanced fights 24/7 etc…), it’s still fun for me personally (overall, there are some rough times). Honestly it was MORE fun when we were losing to SoS week after week (there was always something to do), but it’s still plenty fun now. If that changes we’ll see. Most likely I will move onto a different game before I change servers.

I understand where you’re coming from and I appreciate your honesty.

I’ve also been on my server since the BWE and don’t want to move as this is my home and where my friends are. It’s just a shame that Tier 1 is the way it is at the moment.

The chest beating and denial from some of the JQ posters can be over bearing at times and that’s who my first post was intended for.

Denial about what though? Are there members of the JQ community denying outright that coverage gaps have nothing to do with the server winning? I know I haven’t. I do not believe that the current lopsided score is entirely down to that, it is a weekend afterall and coverage plays a much smaller role on the weekends (weekend warriors and what not). But I do not believe i’ve seen any JQ members outright deny that superior coverage is playing a significant role in our recent string of victories.

urek mazino.4026:

crewthief.8649:

urek mazino.4026:

crewthief.8649:

Peetee.9406:

wish.3102:

Wasn’t JQ just winning the NA afternoon time weekend PPT? Did all the SOS and SOR players suddenly give up and don’t log onto WvW at all now? I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ABOUT THE FIGHTS!!!

It is about the fights.

We’re done spending countless hours whacking on the doors and walls of your T3 keeps/towers in your home BL, that kitten is dull and boring. Keep them and your point tick, congratulations you’re going to win again.

If you want to fight us Choo is in red, TW is in blue, and CDS/FEAR are in EB. If you don’t want to fight us, that’s fine too. SoS always puts up a good fight.

So, if you aren’t going to play to win…and in fact, actively avoiding mechanics required to win and be competitive, then i’ll expect not to see a single post from you regarding the current score…no matter how lopsided it gets. Coverage gaps are one thing, and completely out of your control (we’ve all been at the receiving end of that), but players cannot actively avoid the WvW mechanics required to remain competitive, and then complain when they aren’t in the least bit competative on the scoreboard.

I doubt he’ll complain. I think the situation is that we dont put priority into points, rather just fight and take what we can. Granted I’m not in a lead position to know the details but that’s what it feels like, especially this recent reset.

If you were in SOR bl today, it might be more obvious. We were running around the map fighting with JQ. Lost DE while fighting at greenlake and lost bay to SOS as well.

Btw, your last few posts are some of the most venomous yet in the thread.

In what way are they venomous? And for your information, i’ve been at the receiving end of coverage gaps and outmanned buff more times than the other way around.

I play to split heads and I target SoR. Honestly, a perfect outcome for me would be to so utterly thrash SoR for a period of weeks and months, that you would lose most of your players and plummet down to T6 or so. Basically, for your server to be completely dismantled. I can hope, can’t I?

That’s an example, the others are mild compared to this, like some jokes calling SOR Sanctum of Bags and such.

If you’re talking about this matchup, then you really have to try SOR for a few days to see how much outmanned we get during SEA to Euro times. Its usually 3 maps for long stretches, last week there were instances of 4 maps outamanned.

Okay, yeah, that one was a bit much and subsequently got moderated, lol. That was definitely poking the bear. In terms of being outmanned, I most definitely know what that’s like. If you’ve played the game since launch, and followed Tier 1 even remotely, you’d know that JQ has spent far more time outmanned and out-coveraged, than the other way around. The domination of the last four weeks or so is a very recent occurrence. Stay the course, things will change…it’s the nature of the genre and a fact in WvW since the game launched.

Raven Paradox.1860:

The real issue isn’t the talking and propaganda. That can be avoided by simply having respect for yourself and not joining a troll infested forum where people are going to complain about anything that makes them lose (or not win).

The REAL issue with T1 is that I spent 5 hours last night rolling with numerous guilds on numerous maps destroying every JQ zerg with only 1 wipe (due to culling that isn’t 100% fixed yet). We took everything we attacked and wiped every enemy. I get back home from work, and we’re down 50k. The REAL issue with T1 and all of WvW is that it hardly lacks skill if you have the coverage.

I PRAY that ArenaNet isn’t STUPID and does not reward stacked servers with the upcoming patch. The incentive to win should always be winning. But, people abuse that by switching to one server that has 24/7 queues on all maps facing the 2 second best servers that have dominant coverage at only one small timezone of the day. ArenaNet will KILL their great game if they dare reward servers like JQ for stacking and “winning”. THAT is the real issue in WvW. Not “oh this person is saying crap”. People are fools to believe words. They’re smart if they wait to see for themselves.

As a caveat to this, the game will continue to develop in its life cycle. Currently, JQ is the premier server in NA WvW, but that will surely change in the coming months. I think it could help people to not be quite as shortsighted and develop more of a longview with regard to WvW. There’s an ebb and flow in all of these games, and you have to develop a certain amount of resilliency in order to stay the course. My two cents.

Hoots.9564:

JemL.3501:

Do you realize JQ dealt with this kind of ’’coverage’’…who knows how much months ago, always fighting back.

And here you all are, already crying, you wont be competition here or in any other game with that kind of attitude(the ones crying)…ofc wvwvw cant be really considered a competition model because the way is designed in my pov.

Hope they consider make a huge bracket between NA and EU…but of course people will cry even more because the mighty ’’nightcapping’’ because the world only spins around them and wvwvw in anet words ‘’24/7 fighting non stop’’

wait wait wait wait!!!!! JQ, the same server who earned the name JQQ when they played HoD is complaining because we are complaining?? LOL, in fact if someone were to bring up those old threads I’m about 99% sure that thread looks exactly the same. JQ we get it, you beat the game. As for the prize, well there is no prize for winning WvW, so I guess the joke is on you guys

Wasn’t your guild on JQ when we gained the nickname ‘JQQ’? Interesting…

urek mazino.4026:

crewthief.8649:

Peetee.9406:

wish.3102:

Wasn’t JQ just winning the NA afternoon time weekend PPT? Did all the SOS and SOR players suddenly give up and don’t log onto WvW at all now? I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ABOUT THE FIGHTS!!!

It is about the fights.

We’re done spending countless hours whacking on the doors and walls of your T3 keeps/towers in your home BL, that kitten is dull and boring. Keep them and your point tick, congratulations you’re going to win again.

If you want to fight us Choo is in red, TW is in blue, and CDS/FEAR are in EB. If you don’t want to fight us, that’s fine too. SoS always puts up a good fight.

So, if you aren’t going to play to win…and in fact, actively avoiding mechanics required to win and be competitive, then i’ll expect not to see a single post from you regarding the current score…no matter how lopsided it gets. Coverage gaps are one thing, and completely out of your control (we’ve all been at the receiving end of that), but players cannot actively avoid the WvW mechanics required to remain competitive, and then complain when they aren’t in the least bit competative on the scoreboard.

I doubt he’ll complain. I think the situation is that we dont put priority into points, rather just fight and take what we can. Granted I’m not in a lead position to know the details but that’s what it feels like, especially this recent reset.

If you were in SOR bl today, it might be more obvious. We were running around the map fighting with JQ. Lost DE while fighting at greenlake and lost bay to SOS as well.

Btw, your last few posts are some of the most venomous yet in the thread.

In what way are they venomous? And for your information, i’ve been at the receiving end of coverage gaps and outmanned buffs more times than the other way around.

Peetee.9406:

wish.3102:

Wasn’t JQ just winning the NA afternoon time weekend PPT? Did all the SOS and SOR players suddenly give up and don’t log onto WvW at all now? I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ABOUT THE FIGHTS!!!

It is about the fights.

We’re done spending countless hours whacking on the doors and walls of your T3 keeps/towers in your home BL, that kitten is dull and boring. Keep them and your point tick, congratulations you’re going to win again.

If you want to fight us Choo is in red, TW is in blue, and CDS/FEAR are in EB. If you don’t want to fight us, that’s fine too. SoS always puts up a good fight.

So, if you aren’t going to play to win…and in fact, actively avoiding mechanics required to win and be competitive, then i’ll expect not to see a single post from you regarding the current score…no matter how lopsided it gets. Coverage gaps are one thing, and completely out of your control (we’ve all been at the receiving end of that), but players cannot actively avoid the WvW mechanics required to remain competitive, and then complain when they aren’t in the least bit competative on the scoreboard.

drwookie.6391:

Cirus.5748:

What the people on Jade Quarry don’t realise, is that your stacked server is destroying the rest of the WvW competition.

It doesn’t effect you because you’re winning by 100k points, right? Wrong.

It’s squeezing the life out of the other tier 1 servers, more people are becoming discouraged because it’s not fun to get steamrolled at your spawn on 4 fronts 24/7. You will come to a realization that you had more fun when the competition was close and epic battles were fought against worthy enemies.

You’ll get bored of spawn camping and PvDooring, then your server will self destruct and top tier WvW will die with you.

Think about it.

What suggestion do you have? Stop playing? Pay to transfer?

We agree all suffering at the hands of the games mechanics. Think of it more like Enders game…we aren’t enemies! The teachers are the enemies!

And on another note…JQ actually got beaten soundly by a number of different servers (HoD, SoS, SBI), for fairly long periods of time. JQ advetised itself as a WvW focused server from the games outset, as the result, I think we pulled in a much larger than average PvP population…SoR on the other hand? I suspect the opposite to be completely honest…and THOSE players are the vocal minority on the forums i’d wager.

Peetee.9406:

nekos.2584:

It’s JQ that is the toxic server ?

If you look threw the threads and T1 posts we never had these problems until a certain server showed up. Even now you don’t see posts from JQ players bragging about how good they are. What you do see is a whole lot of crying from one of the servers in T1 and the other server, who is having internal problems, airing dirty laundry every now and then.

Funny, when I read the thread I see a lot of bragging by JQ and I do not see any complaining from SoR or any internal conflicts on SoS. It’s almost as if you’re making these things up in an attempt to destroy the communities of the other 2 servers.

Wait, isn’t that what this thread is about?

Well, your perspective is biased…it isn’t your fault, it’s down to Human nature. Read through the matchup threads…there has been a TON of crying and excuse making on the part of SoR. Not a single solitary ‘Good Game’, or anything of the sort, just massive and never ending QQ. We didn’t have all this drama and toxicity in Tier 1 until SoR arrived, honestly we didn’t. I figure this post will probably be infracted, because being honest is frowned upon in here (it might hurt someones feelings), but this is what i’ve observed since SoR came to T1. There seems to have been some sort of entitlement mentality that the server would just show up to T1 and take over…and that didn’t happen. Since it became apparent that it WOULD NOT happen, the tone of the match has gotten nastier and nastier with every week. Aside from a handful of trash talkers, JQ has always conducted itself with dignity and class, as a server. When we were routinely being beat up on by SBI and SoS, you didn’t see anywhere NEAR the amount of QQ and garbage that exists in the matchup threads these days. Don’t take my word for it, go back 10 or so pages and read them. Anyway, it would be great if we could all just fight in game and give a ‘GG’ out of game…but I doubt it will happen. I recall, when I first started playing MMOs, it was considered incredibly bad form, amongst the PvP community, to complain and go on and on when you lost…it was the mark of a scrub. I miss the old days sometimes.

TLDR; Try being a bit objective, if you honestly can’t see any whining or complaining on the part of SoR…you’re wearing rose-tinted glasses.

Jahn.7019:

SoS has always been one of the classiest servers around. Really it’s JQ that is the toxic server in the bunch which no one seems to like. Their attitudes and most of their guilds just seek drama and attention.

I’d say ignore them and just enjoy the game with your friends and guildmates.

Interesting, I could switch JQ and SoS, from my perspective, and it would be much more believeable…TO ME. It’s all in your perspective, try not to be so tiny minded.

All the excuse making and QQ in this thread is such a great motivator for me to go out and WvW. I could have sworn that a few weeks back, the big talking points were that JQ could not win on the weekends, and as such, those were really the only fights that counted. I suppose the talking points have changed, now it’s all about the fights, huh? Of course, life was ‘ALL GOOD’ when you SoR, was utterly dominating T2, amirite? I like to fight too, it’s why I WvW and avoid the zerg…and I take extra pleasure from crushing SoR players. Your tears are fueling your demise SoR, and in turn making you look really bad. For every SoS player in these threads crying, there are generally another 3-4 SoR.

Thundar.3910:

crewthief.8649:

Thundar.3910:

crewthief.8649:

Thundar.3910:

crewthief.8649:

Oh, so then SoS/SoR players just stopped playing this weekend or something? Are you guys just demoralized? Oh, and lets not forget that a couple of weeks ago there were multiple SoS and SoR players saying that the TRUE fight happened on the weekends, as coverage issues were much less glaring. Has that statement been retracted now? Hilarious.

No it has not, the weekend is still far and away the best days of the week long match, both in fun to be had, and equal numbers. Glass Quarry happened to win the weekend fights, good show, you came out in force, knocked some heads together, and held your ppt high.

SoR has always, and will probably always, play the map they are in, and play for the fights on the map, if there are no fights, or the other servers scurry off to another map, we’ll just go there. Winning is fun for some I understand that, but it seems SoR has gotten numb to the ppt war, or the coverage war. Heck even when we sat at 500+ ppt in our last few weeks of T2, when the “Mass SBI Exodus” of 2013 was happening, we we’re bored, we look for the fights. Winning by a ton or losing, we just look for the fights.

To the SoR wrecking people in our prime time, be careful guys, when you crush these zergs open field there is just glass all over the place, you could hurt your feet!

You may want to start caring about points if you want to remain in T1 much longer. Just saying…

Why? What do we win? An over inflated ego? Our ego’s are too large as it is. We’d have construction crews in each keep widening the doors so we could get our heads in, sounds too costly.

T1 or T8, we don’t care, if there’s a good fight to be had, we’re pretty well content. We’ve fought the servers that stacked their way into T1, we’ve fought the servers that have fallen from T1, we’ve fought the server that swore up and down they’d get to T1 in 2 weeks, only to hold them for 7 more. We don’t care about the score, we don’t care about the ppt. All we want to do, is get you on the field and beat your brains in, or have ours beat in.

I spend almost all my time in WvW on SoR, very rarely do you see in map or team someone nitpicking over the score, and you do not hear it in our server team speak often either, The only time someone really gets upset is when the enemy we’re fighting stops showing up to fight.

Cheer and good fighting.

Because, disregarding the scoreboard…will put you back in T2. Look, you play however you have fun man, won’t begrudge anyone that. I also enjoy the fighting in WvW, it’s why I ultimately even bother with WvW. But, there has been a whole lot of complaining coming from some members of your community about the fact that JQ bothers with the score. It really boils down to this. If you and your community bind yourselves by some sort of hidden code of conduct, or some sort of moral philosophy…you shouldn’t expect the competition to play by the same set of rules. JQ is playing the game within the boundaries it was created, and JQ is playing to win. You can’t play for the ‘fights’ and then whine about the score at the end of the week because you’re getting steamrolled (I say ‘you’, I mean anyone, not YOU specifically’).

Wait what? Like 4 trolls came in and said some crap about the score at the end of the week, the vast overwhelming majority of SoR does not care about the score. We don’t play by some hidden code of conduct or whatever, and we don’t try and tell other servers how to play by our apparent(non existent) rules.

If you, and I do mean YOU specifically want to base your entire view of a server off of a very small handful of forum whiners, well then we can apply that failtastic logic to any server. Lets pick JQ! Zergers/2v1 cryers/talentless stackers, JQQso on and so forth. It sounds stupid, because it is stupid. You do whatever ever it is to stay in this mythical magical T1, and we’ll just go find someone to kill.

Okay. Enjoy losing.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Kreen.3925:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

If you guys havn’t noticed by now all we at SoR really care about is the fights. We basically showed that was the case last night in EB when choo farmed you guys in the lord room for like an hour and we all got about 400-500 kills and basically almost lost everything else. Most of our members actually wanted to stay and farm you in SM lord rooms the whole night while we lost everything else on the map and just have a nice blue icon right in the middle because it was really fun, but our commander couldn’t let our waypointed keep get taken, so we pulled out and let SoS take it. The difference between servers is SoR goes where the fight is while JQ and SoS go where the fight isn’t to maximize their PPT. I guess it depends on what you find fun in the game, having a big PPT or having amazing fights. SoR just loves the fights waaay to much and doesn’t play the PPT game like JQ and SoS, which will most likely be our downfall in the long run.

What an interesting post. I can see logic is strong with you. IF SoS and JQ don’t go to where the fight is (your words) could you please tell me who were you killing in SM lords for an hour and getting all those lovely kills. Was it npc’s maybe?

We went to EB to kill them not the other way around, so SoS and JQ were already in EB stomping our PUGs for the whole day until we showed up and started wiping them repeatedly. Me and someone else already argued about how I should have put in my post Last night when we moved to EB instead of last night in EB. My fault. Does it make sense now? Oh yeah and JQ just gave up after wiping 5-6 times to us in Lords Room and instead of fighting us went to PvDoor our little corner in EB while SoS continued to get slaughtered in the lords room (it was an awesome 3 way fight until JQ decided to go PvDoors). I at least give SoS props for not giving up, but that was most likely due to JQ taking our whole corner and them knowing that we would have to abandon SM sooner or later.

I’m not sure I see where the problem is. JQ and SoS are being farmed by SoR. After being wiped 5-6 times JQ decides to go do something productive (rather than stacking badges for you and your guild), and forces SoR to be reactive rather than proactive. Sounds like a solid tactical alternative to being farmed relentlessly. In fact, I will submit to you that being wiped 5-6 times trying to execute the same fail strategy, was about 4-5 times too many. I don’t know about you, but I pretty much refuse to be farmed.

Starscream.7803:

My choices are play WvW or spend time with my gf. Time to log in…….

LOL…you win man.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

crewthief.8649:

Thundar.3910:

crewthief.8649:

Thundar.3910:

crewthief.8649:

Oh, so then SoS/SoR players just stopped playing this weekend or something? Are you guys just demoralized? Oh, and lets not forget that a couple of weeks ago there were multiple SoS and SoR players saying that the TRUE fight happened on the weekends, as coverage issues were much less glaring. Has that statement been retracted now? Hilarious.

No it has not, the weekend is still far and away the best days of the week long match, both in fun to be had, and equal numbers. Glass Quarry happened to win the weekend fights, good show, you came out in force, knocked some heads together, and held your ppt high.

SoR has always, and will probably always, play the map they are in, and play for the fights on the map, if there are no fights, or the other servers scurry off to another map, we’ll just go there. Winning is fun for some I understand that, but it seems SoR has gotten numb to the ppt war, or the coverage war. Heck even when we sat at 500+ ppt in our last few weeks of T2, when the “Mass SBI Exodus” of 2013 was happening, we we’re bored, we look for the fights. Winning by a ton or losing, we just look for the fights.

To the SoR wrecking people in our prime time, be careful guys, when you crush these zergs open field there is just glass all over the place, you could hurt your feet!

You may want to start caring about points if you want to remain in T1 much longer. Just saying…

Why? What do we win? An over inflated ego? Our ego’s are too large as it is. We’d have construction crews in each keep widening the doors so we could get our heads in, sounds too costly.

T1 or T8, we don’t care, if there’s a good fight to be had, we’re pretty well content. We’ve fought the servers that stacked their way into T1, we’ve fought the servers that have fallen from T1, we’ve fought the server that swore up and down they’d get to T1 in 2 weeks, only to hold them for 7 more. We don’t care about the score, we don’t care about the ppt. All we want to do, is get you on the field and beat your brains in, or have ours beat in.

I spend almost all my time in WvW on SoR, very rarely do you see in map or team someone nitpicking over the score, and you do not hear it in our server team speak often either, The only time someone really gets upset is when the enemy we’re fighting stops showing up to fight.

Cheer and good fighting.

Because, disregarding the scoreboard…will put you back in T2. Look, you play however you have fun man, won’t begrudge anyone that. I also enjoy the fighting in WvW, it’s why I ultimately even bother with WvW. But, there has been a whole lot of complaining coming from members of your community about the fact that JQ bothers with the score. It really boils down to this. If you and your community bind yourselves by some sort of hidden code of conduct, or some sort of moral philosophy…you shouldn’t expect the competition to play by the same set of rules. JQ is playing the game within the boundaries it was created, and JQ is playing to win. You can’t play for the ‘fights’ and then whine about the score at the end of the week because you’re getting steamrolled (I say ‘you’, I mean anyone, not YOU specifically’).

Well to be honest you guys would win whether or not you cared about the PPT so much. Whats the difference from a 20-30k win and a 50-60k win? JQ seems overly obsessed with the scoreboard to the point where it doesn’t even make a difference anymore. Why move some of your guilds to a map with less resistance just to get more points when you are going to win by 30k+ anyway? Why not have some awesome fights instead and only win by 30k? Just doesn’t make that much sense because no matter what JQ focuses on either open field fights or the PPT lead they will still win anyway, and that’s just being honest because we just cant compete with you guys in our off hours.

Well, I can’t speak for my entire server. I know that my server plays to win, and in this current incarnation of WvW, playing for PPT is playing to win.

I roam around solo alot, avoid friendly and enemy zergs alike, and have lots and lots of great fights…both winning and losing, but always learning. To the soloers and small groups on SoR/SoS, thanks for the fun fights . BUT, I do not expect everyone to play by my set of rules, i’ve accepted that my preferred playstyle is extremely precarious in a game mode such as WvW.

Thundar.3910:

crewthief.8649:

Thundar.3910:

crewthief.8649:

Oh, so then SoS/SoR players just stopped playing this weekend or something? Are you guys just demoralized? Oh, and lets not forget that a couple of weeks ago there were multiple SoS and SoR players saying that the TRUE fight happened on the weekends, as coverage issues were much less glaring. Has that statement been retracted now? Hilarious.

No it has not, the weekend is still far and away the best days of the week long match, both in fun to be had, and equal numbers. Glass Quarry happened to win the weekend fights, good show, you came out in force, knocked some heads together, and held your ppt high.

SoR has always, and will probably always, play the map they are in, and play for the fights on the map, if there are no fights, or the other servers scurry off to another map, we’ll just go there. Winning is fun for some I understand that, but it seems SoR has gotten numb to the ppt war, or the coverage war. Heck even when we sat at 500+ ppt in our last few weeks of T2, when the “Mass SBI Exodus” of 2013 was happening, we we’re bored, we look for the fights. Winning by a ton or losing, we just look for the fights.

To the SoR wrecking people in our prime time, be careful guys, when you crush these zergs open field there is just glass all over the place, you could hurt your feet!

You may want to start caring about points if you want to remain in T1 much longer. Just saying…

Why? What do we win? An over inflated ego? Our ego’s are too large as it is. We’d have construction crews in each keep widening the doors so we could get our heads in, sounds too costly.

T1 or T8, we don’t care, if there’s a good fight to be had, we’re pretty well content. We’ve fought the servers that stacked their way into T1, we’ve fought the servers that have fallen from T1, we’ve fought the server that swore up and down they’d get to T1 in 2 weeks, only to hold them for 7 more. We don’t care about the score, we don’t care about the ppt. All we want to do, is get you on the field and beat your brains in, or have ours beat in.

I spend almost all my time in WvW on SoR, very rarely do you see in map or team someone nitpicking over the score, and you do not hear it in our server team speak often either, The only time someone really gets upset is when the enemy we’re fighting stops showing up to fight.

Cheer and good fighting.

Because, disregarding the scoreboard…will put you back in T2. Look, you play however you have fun man, won’t begrudge anyone that. I also enjoy the fighting in WvW, it’s why I ultimately even bother with WvW. But, there has been a whole lot of complaining coming from some members of your community about the fact that JQ bothers with the score. It really boils down to this. If you and your community bind yourselves by some sort of hidden code of conduct, or some sort of moral philosophy…you shouldn’t expect the competition to play by the same set of rules. JQ is playing the game within the boundaries it was created, and JQ is playing to win. You can’t play for the ‘fights’ and then whine about the score at the end of the week because you’re getting steamrolled (I say ‘you’, I mean anyone, not YOU specifically’).

Thundar.3910:

crewthief.8649:

Oh, so then SoS/SoR players just stopped playing this weekend or something? Are you guys just demoralized? Oh, and lets not forget that a couple of weeks ago there were multiple SoS and SoR players saying that the TRUE fight happened on the weekends, as coverage issues were much less glaring. Has that statement been retracted now? Hilarious.

No it has not, the weekend is still far and away the best days of the week long match, both in fun to be had, and equal numbers. Glass Quarry happened to win the weekend fights, good show, you came out in force, knocked some heads together, and held your ppt high.

SoR has always, and will probably always, play the map they are in, and play for the fights on the map, if there are no fights, or the other servers scurry off to another map, we’ll just go there. Winning is fun for some I understand that, but it seems SoR has gotten numb to the ppt war, or the coverage war. Heck even when we sat at 500+ ppt in our last few weeks of T2, when the “Mass SBI Exodus” of 2013 was happening, we we’re bored, we look for the fights. Winning by a ton or losing, we just look for the fights.

To the SoR wrecking people in our prime time, be careful guys, when you crush these zergs open field there is just glass all over the place, you could hurt your feet!

You may want to start caring about points if you want to remain in T1 much longer. Just saying…

covenn.7165:

Reiko.1560:

Holiday or not, if a 40k+ lead by monday doesn’t deflate your mood to go into WvWvW then maybe that endless green zerg will.

Why would that deflate anyone’s mood to W3 ? That just means that there are more people to kill.

Thank you Covenn. Exactly what i’ve been thinking, especially when we were the outnumbered server for months. Target rich environment, what’s the problem again?

Oh, so then SoS/SoR players just stopped playing this weekend or something? Are you guys just demoralized? Oh, and lets not forget that a couple of weeks ago there were multiple SoS and SoR players saying that the TRUE fight happened on the weekends, as coverage issues were much less glaring. Has that statement been retracted now? Hilarious.

JQ and SBI had to battle for 2nd for months. Nothing new in T1. Besides, JQ won the weekend by quite alot, was that purely down to numbers?

I’ll be shocked if there’s a response to this. Positive response that is. I’m already shocked it hasn’t been infracted, lol.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

I agree. A-net treats us like we are 12 years old its absurd. Can’t even message our enemies? Are you kidding me? I am an adult and If I want to message my enemy I should be allowed to, that’s why the ignore button exists. I swear I feel like all A-net does is cater to the casual crowd and does nothing for us “hardcore” players. I guess its the evolution of MMO gaming. All that companies want to do now is cater to the masses and make money (kind of like the music industry), and they don’t care about the quality of the game for all type of gamers anymore. Also its pretty sad that this post probably has a 50% chance of getting infracted by a moderator. Can’t even speak your mind on these forums without getting the rebel treatment. I just wish they didn’t treat us like little kids. It is so demeaning.

I agree 100% with this. The amount of times i’ve been infracted and thought, ‘what on Earth did I say wrong?’. Not exactly sure why they’re enforcing such a strict culture of not treading on anyones feelings. I certainly understand to a point, but it seems to be taken WAY overboard in this forum. It’s like the nightmare Orwellian version of political correctness or something, lol.

-Edit- This will probably be infracted for talking about infractions. Or, i’ll be infracted because you got infracted and I quoted your infraction. /rolleyes

coronbale.3894:

Oresh.4729:

can we have a score update please its awfully quite here

btw sos is showing their true Color here ( http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/80573-t1-sea-of-sanctum-quarry/ )
bad kittie

True colors no, but nice was the last few weeks. This week you have my full, undivided attention. Heard every form of BS drama, gossip, and staged propaganda in the last two weeks about Sea of Sorrows, enough is enough.

BTW, those of you who are trying to buy the loyalties of SoS guilds, make sure you get a receipt A few are eyeing that twilight with your Xerxes traitor money! Hell, kick some to me to! “Of course” ill transfer, promise! Those Omegas? No no, they were here before…

All this back ally bribery, shady spying, and compromised security going around has me fed up listening to all the drama and noise. nearly 2000 kills today, and still not done with you!

You tell those big meanies off! Let your true ‘internet tough guy’ shine through.

This article seems appropriate to the thread. Replace the individual with server, and you’ll see what I mean

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

Hey, maybe SoR can figure out a way to drown us in all their tears. Just drown the zerg fellas, that’s all!

Jedbacca.6297:

Alright, this is kittening ridiculous. Will all of you just shut the kitten up already.

2v1’s – It happens we know this, we cover this once a page
My server is better than your server – We cover this 3-5x’s+ a page
My ::insert guild name here:: is better than ::insert another guild name here:: – Get’s covered about 5-5x’s+ a page

Let’s summarize all the bullkitten

JQ did some recruiting of guilds, this isn’t a kittening secret ppl. It just so happens that it went well and the server =d profit

SoS is doing the thing to where the activity level is fluctuating. Yes, this happens on servers as well, but have you see anyone leave the server?? Nah, probably not, maybe a couple of people here and there, but nothing to send out huge alarms.

SoR…pretty well balanced during NA prime for coverage and are somewhat strong in other places

As far as zerging accusations toward any guild, can’t you say that about any server? There are a lot of commanders on each and everyone of your kittening servers out there that have PLENTY of ppl that follow them. Why is this Jed? I’ll tell you why, it’s because people like to follow these team leads. They try to bring entertainment and JOY to a kittening video game. kitten who would of thought, that we all purchased this game for an entertainment purpose. All of you from all three servers on here either sucking each other off or trying to verbally punch each other in the dick on the forums just need to stop and just say good game. You are all getting volatile as hell and I’m ashamed to be apart of this GW2 community.

Time to copy/paste this over to the other forums I frequent so I can watch how many ppl quote me on both forums and troll me.

I SAID GOOD DAY!

This bears reposting, as it seems that some peeps were crying too hard to have noticed it the first time. Seriously, get a grip. It’s a game, we’ve all been through ups and downs in WvW since the game launched. We’ve all been the underdog. This is especially true coming from JQ since BWE1. It’s our turn now, simple as that, but it doesn’t mean it will ALWAYS be. Focus on staying in Tier 1 for the long haul.

Buffalo Sabres.1072:

We gained zero guilds from T2-T1 climb and T1 hold , you were already in T1 barely losing then gained more guilds than any server has ever seen before in the history of this game.

That’s really balanced let me tell ya…LOL

Oh wait , we had PRX LEAVE our server and still won with zero guilds joining us half way through our reign as the true kings of wvw. You’re a joke server , a fraud , plastic , deal with it.

Wow. Seriously, some of you need to get a grip. SoS had many, many weeks of winning first place comfortably, to include a nine week win streak. Seems some people got spoiled, and now they spend their time crying on the forum. I’m sorry things aren’t going your way…but, that’s how it goes in the real world.

Bump for more discussion…

Oreoginal.1580:

Reasons you should NOT go with the Tactics tree:

• The Minor Traits in the Tactics tree are garbage right now.
• Warriors already have a high health pool so Toughness is more beneficial than Vitality (especially since you’re mixing Berserker and Valkyrie into your Knight as well.
• Without any Healing Power, those shout heals would barely heal at all.
• With your even higher health pool from the extra Vitality, your heals will only heal you for so much – so that extra health pool becomes negligible.

I’d suggest just putting only 10 points in Tactics for Leg Specialist then put 20 points into Defense for Missile Deflection & Shield Master or Last Stand.

Makes sense, thank you for the advice. After looking at those minors…yes, they are terrible. Adjusted the build in the OP based on recommendations. What do you guys think about losing Sharpened Axes and going for Defy Pain in Defense? Will there be a need for furthering Adrenaline generation, or do I get more bang for my buck going for Defy Pain (or maybe even Spiked Armor)?

Zajestochlebem.6380:

replace Warhorn with something else (axe of mace), if you want more swiftness (i thing 39s from signet of rage is enough) replace Fear me with banner

also your build depends too much on adrenaline, before you are able to profit from it the fight is over (in 1vs1 or small group), also if you are using shield take Missile Deflection, its fun to see Ranger killing himsefl with Rapid Fire

Thanks alot, i’ll mess around with your suggestions.

Anyone? /More characters…

I very much appreciate the concept of the Warrior class in this game and wanted to roll one. I’d like to distinguish myself from the 353,000 GS Warriors out there (not that there’s anything wrong with that ;P). What i’m aiming for is a hybrid I suppose, with decent survivability and solid mobility, focused on WvW. Made some adjustments based off of some of the suggestions in the thread. This is what i’m looking at as it stands now:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQRBHdxG2InTybzjLETkAApArrMKKKIli5cLVQMA

For gear, i’d be using a mix of Knights, Valkyrie, and Berzerker. Soldiers Runes, and not sure about Sigils just yet. Any criticism/advice is appreciated and strongly encouraged.