Guild Wars 2

Edited…I swear I thought the max was five…

Churchill.8714:

Was this the same recruitment that didn’t get SoS guilds until 2000+ people went to JQ?

Was this the same recruitment that had PRX and its bandwagon followers leave us?

Then those 10 weeks happened.

No, it was the same recruitment that allowed SoS to even BE in Tier 1, let alone win consistently. SoS couldn’t break through Tier 3, much less make the jump to T1. I’m not trying to flame or offend anyone, just stating a fact about how servers stacked up around three months ago. I’m not hating on SoS, I have alot of respect for your server and the fights you’ve given us. I just get fed up seeing this over and over…because it is patently false. JQ does NOT have the market cornered on recruitment or transfers since the game launched, it just so happens that we perhaps had the best timing, in the weeks immediately preceding the introduction of paid transfers. Again, not trying to disrespect anyone, but please do not continue to play the victim…it’s becoming a bit too tiresome to even bother reading these forums.

rmBossa.4621:

EnRohbi.2187:

rmBossa.4621:

“At the end of this matchup, all ratings will be reseted (set to 1,500). ANet has not yet announced the math so the site will use the old formula and the ‘next matchup table’ may be innacurate.”

Thats from the top of the Millenium site.

Learn to read ppls. For all we know not much is going to change.

I think many of have read this (I read it before this thread, at least).
But as that exact quote of yours said, Anet has not announced the new math.

They may have only tweaked a couple small things.

Additionally, they could have changed it so servers are MORE volatile in the long term to prevent stagnant matches, and if they’ve gone that direction the next few weeks are going to be even worse than what mos predicts.

“may have”… “could have”

yes we do not know. But everyone is just assuming that it is the worst possible scenario. If anything we should be asking them to clarify how the new “maths” will help, but they don’t have to because their was never any reason to doubt them in the first place. Except for forum trolls trying to make everyone freak out.

Really? Where have you been the past 6 months? Why would we have any reason to have positive expectations with this? Where on their list of priorities has WvW been? Blind optimism isn’t any better than blind pessimism to be honest.

EnRohbi.2187:

I’m really annoyed with this ratings reset.

It’ll take longer for servers to stabilize with new rankings than it would have taken to just let the misplaced servers settle with the old ratings.

If there is not a very significant change in the math behind the ratings (I read that the math is changing, but not details on how that will be), then next week is going to be a disaster for just about every tier, and weeks afterwards.

Why they would ever reset ratings without going back to 24 hour matches for a week or two is a complete kittening mystery. They had 24 hour matches to avoid these kind of matches at game launch, but Anet seems to lack the common sense to do it now.

OR…WvW is low on their list of priorities. That’s the one I tend toward after the past six or so months of this kind of nonsense.

sazaw.1347:

I know it would come soon. But tone it down guys. Last week match is over. let’s enjoy current fight. Don’t start sparks that will lead to flames. Just ignore those kind of post.

I agree, we should all get along and love one another.

GottFaust.5297:

I’d like to bring your attention to a quick couple of points:
* Tiers 3, 5, and 8 are currently so lopsided in total points that the winning server has more points that both the other servers put together.
* Tiers 2 and 7 are being soundly trashed by their current leader to the point of no hope for a change-up any time soon.

Current potential points aside 5 out of 8 of the current tiers are NOT good match-ups. If the points reset expedites a solution to these issues. I’m all for it.

Yes, but it will take weeks for matches to stabilize. In the meantime, you’ll have servers like JQ pitted against servers like Eredon Terrace. This seems reasonable to you? The matches are closer now than they will be next week…which completely flies in the face of why they say they’re doing it. I am certain there was a better way to do this.

Azure Prower.8701:

Aurika.6751:

dzeRnumbrd.6129:

The root cause of the issue here is that Veil does not adhere to the usual AoE rules of ‘max 5 players’.

If Veil only stealthed 5 people then I think people would be OK with that.

Shadow Refuge only stealths 5, the same should apply for Veil.

I’ve been using Veil for months. Seeing it become the new “it” skill makes me sad because I am sure it will now be nerfed into oblivion.

The bigger problem is culling. Peole have said it above. Culling lets the stealth last longer than it should and the recent patch made it even worse.

Shadow refuge also lasts for 10 seconds. If they up Veil to 10 second would not be opposed to the 5 person limit.

The funny thing to me is that on the Mesmer forums the skill is still basically derided as a wasted utility slot.

Your veil is comparable to Thief’s blinding powder. If you want 10 second Veil. Give thieves 10 second blinding powder.

Oh and blinding powder already only stealths 5 players at a time.

Good call…Thieves obviously need a buff to keep pace with the indisputably OP Mesmer.

Convenant.7092:

crewthief.8649:

See this is the thing. I don’t think it has anything to do with getting matchups correct. It makes no sense, because Matchups are as close to correct as they can get right now. I think it has to do with making money off paid transfers.

From a business point of view, it is also irrational. Start with the simple premise that better game —> more business. Of course it’s not always true, but I have enough respect for ArenaNet and its fans to say that it is in this case.

More-so that an actual better game experience, there’s the fact that.. unless you plan on transferring every week, the best choice would be endure the weeks of unbalanced matchup and wait it out, because matchups will be volatile. And let’s face it… they don’t make much money off the transfers…

Have faith in ArenaNet; I don’t think it’s an evil company, they’ve just made a bad decision regarding this issue. But it’s important to emphasize, since future updates CANNOT be planned with the same disconnection as this one.

Well, I don’t think they’re an ‘evil company’, I just think they’re completely out of touch with their WvW community. My faith in Anet is wavering after months and months of culling issues and no new content in WvW.

See this is the thing. I don’t think it has anything to do with getting matchups correct. It makes no sense, because matchups are as close to correct as they can get right now. I think it has to do with making money off paid transfers.

Mona.4576:

A new official statement would be nice!!

Good luck with that.

Columba.9730:

Dog.1472:

SoR’s enthusiasm is cute, but BG was the same way at first and they ended up losing out to JQ with half the points by the end of last reset. Let’s see if you guys can keep it up.

wow. good sportsmanship. lol

He’s only speaking truth…however condescending it may be. Way too early to draw any conclusions. Good fights though, definitely three very well matched servers…too bad we’ll all be fighting in T6 and below next week, lol. Yay Anet, another win!

Takes long enough for allies to render now, that it can be confusing as to whether or not their an enemy when they first begin to render. Shocking that a game of this scope and magnitude would have these sorts of issues this far into release.

Yeah, it has been a good match. I’m just not gonna get ahead of myself and think that a score on Saturday has any reflection whatsoever on how the match will end.

Shoo.9016:

There was an answer, that queues is not a bug. So, devs can fix their code, and they did it.

Yeah, I read that in another thread…that they lowered the cap in WvW without announcing it. Interesting, they’re getting very good at unannounced changes, or major changes that are announced at the last minute. Guess you have to expect this sort of thing in a cash shop game, huh?

Cactus.2710:

Draygo.9473:

I have a new theory.

I think it is possible that for some reason when a queue pops for an individual the client is refusing to display the queue pop dialog box. This causes the server to have to wait for that progress bar to expire, then it reinserts that player into the queue.

This could also explain why some people get in <30 mins when you have some people waiting 2+ hours in the same queue.

This can also explain why some servers are down on pop, the heavier the queue the more often this situation happens, and thus more slots are being ‘reserved’ for players that are missing the dialog popup.

Interesting thought. Isn’t it sad, though, that we have to try to analyze this problem from the outside instead of Anet doing it from the inside? So far all ANet has done is look at the queues and conclude that the numbers in the queue “look reasonable”. If we can find anomalies in how the game works you’d think that they should be able to. The difference, of course, is that we care enough to bother.

Well, I know I won’t stick around much longer in light of all the issues with WvW since launch. Been waiting and waiting for some of these nearly game breaking issues to get fixed, and nothing seems to have been done. Very frustrating. There are games out there that do large scale PvP much smoother than this. I suppose i’m just attached to my toons to an extent, but not so attached that I won’t simply move on.

Aieo.2815:

SoR and their enthusiasm may win this yet!

If only the match ended Saturday afternoon, huh?

Kirbyprime.2645:

crewthief.8649:

I dunno, they played well pretty much every week they were in Tier 1…and they had steady improvement each match. Culminating in a 2nd place finish last week.

Actually they ended in 3rd place. SoS took 2nd from them Thursday night.

Oh wow, fair enough…lol. I was working all week, so checked in on the score throughout the week and thought BG was gonna secure 2nd place. Thanks for the correction.

Peetee.9406:

or maybe they’ve improved since Tier 2. I know it’s like SoR is growing up over night.

I dunno, they played well pretty much every week they were in Tier 1…and they had steady improvement each match. Culminating in a 2nd place finish last week.

On a sidenote, great matchup, too bad the queues are so bad that I can’t spend as much time in WvW as I would like. Today was a three hour wait for EB, and around an hour and a half for any of the BLs. Makes me tempted to stay logged in and just go shake my mouse now and again, lol.

Yet another issue in WvW. I’m having a hard time understanding why it seems Anet has such a difficult time managing this. Other games do large scale combat, so it isn’t beyond comprehension that we could have WvW without culling, ridiculous queues, etc.

The queue in Tier 1 is insane. Waited for almost three hours for EB to pop today. BLs take an hour or so. Pretty annoying.

Blackgate played well in Tier 1 the last couple of weeks. Maybe you just don’t like them.

Esoteric.5490:

Kunagisa.7361:

Esoteric.5490:

EDIT: This post is directed to any individual on ANY SERVER that doesn’t want to show up to WvW because ANY OTHER SERVER is beating you. To all of you out there who are fighting the good fight, /salute.

Great generalized post that is repeated billion times before.

Do you enjoy trolling? Or did I just offend you?

Probably just close to the mark. Go figure.

Esoteric.5490:

Blackgate and 20 other servers have never won in Tier 1 since 1 week matches started. We’re all still fighting. Let’s get some perspective in here. There isn’t an excuse for stopping to play, ever. Sack up and get out there and fight for your server and fight for pride, not whine the moment you aren’t in first. Did you ever consider the monumental amount of balls that it takes for any server that you are crushing to show up every day and try and leave your corpses in the dirt? SoS has been spoiled. You haven’t gotten legit rocked in a match in well over 3 months. You have won Tier 1 9 of 10 times. Now there is complaining the second you don’t outnumber someone? Try playing on Blackgate for a day and maybe you’ll appreciate fighting a losing battle a little more. An attitude that “we aren’t winning so we won’t try” spits on every server that has stuck it out through all of the bad and all of the blowouts. All those servers showed up because of good fights even when you were crushing them and, now that someone is doing it to you, you take your ball and go home? Please.

EDIT: This post is directed to any individual on SoS that doesn’t want to show up to WvW because JQ is beating you. To all of you out there who are fighting the good fight, /salute.

Best post in the entire thread right here. /salute

Flood.6105:

Nobody has been as stacked as JQ is now. That last transfer caused panic in all the number watchers and induced a mass exodus.

There are WvW threatening problems now, one is that with such an overwhelming force people will quit trying to fight it. JQ has the numbers but now nobody can or wants fight. Winning because of lack of competition is more corrosive than losing.
The second problem is, nobody is going to pay $20 to transfer to a weaker server, so the problem keeps compounding, balance is the least of peoples worries they just want to be on the “winning” side.

It seems that Anet bought the cart before the horse on this one. We shot ourselves in the foot and Anet handed us the gun. I hope WvWers are smart enough to balance this out on their own, but hoping people to do the right thing is about as useful as teets on a turtle.

So you’re saying that because SoS is outnumbered right now, they should just give up and quit? Hmmm…JQ has been outnumbered plenty in the past, and we’ve never given up. We faced HoD multiple times, and improved consistently…even when outnumbered and getting beaten on. It’s called being resilient, and it is a necessity for remaining in T1 for the long run. We’re all going to find out what kind of server SoS is in the coming weeks and months.

Ashlov.3819:

crewthief.8649:

Ashlov.3819:

crewthief.8649:

profitsports.5789:

it only seems like it’s 2000:1 but that’s because some of your commanders are in dungeons lol

Pretty much this. Deal with the new normal or get out of the way.

Internet tough guy, you so scary.

Yeah, because i’m obviously trying to act like a tough guy, lol. What I stated is fact. That’s how T1 works, sorry to break it to you. I know you got comfortable in winning, and that was perfectly acceptable to you…even if you outnumbered the opponent. But now that tables have turned, there’s QQ flowing sideways in here. So really, honestly, at the expense of you thinking i’m trying to sound tough…either adapt to this new incarnation of JQ, or get overrun. We’ve adapted plenty in the past, can you?

Jump to conclusions much? Sheesh.

It’s something new I thought i’d try, starting this week. How am I doing?

Pinkus.2860:

crewthief.8649:

Pinkus.2860:

People take this game WWWAAAAAYYYYY too seriously…

Because it’s obviously serious business…you didn’t know?

We’re a detatched bunch here in the Oceanic timezone Must have missed the memo

On a completely unrelated side note; i’d love to move to Australia, lol.

Pinkus.2860:

People take this game WWWAAAAAYYYYY too seriously…

Because it’s obviously serious business…you didn’t know?

profitsports.5789:

it only seems like it’s 2000:1 but that’s because some of your commanders are in dungeons lol

Pretty much this. Deal with the new normal or get out of the way.

Churchill.8714:

You can’t really say you dethroned SoS by transferring 2000 players to your server when at best SoS outnumbered you 9:8 previously…lol.

That entire premise, HoD redux, was what SoS was attempting to avoid when free transfers were announced.

It is a pity that JQ did not.

There are an awful lot of emotional responses from SoSers. Pot meet kettle? You outnumber us, and it’s all good bro…we outnumber you, and now all of a sudden, it’s a major problem. LOL. Adapt or die.

Bankzilla.2984:

crewthief.8649:

sostronk.8167:

crewthief.8649:

sostronk.8167:

I seen a few players from SOS leave for JQ recently. Im glad they did. There is a reason I went to SOS as soon as I could. They will stand the test of time and are the most stable of all servers. Why? Because we have Oceanic coverage and SOS is considered Oceanics home server. I don’t want fickle bandwagon players in my server. JQ is beating us this week for alot of reasons. Maybe SOS might drop to Tier 2 at some stage. But they will always be one of the most stable and consistent servers in WvW. Other servers can have their rise to the top, fall to the bottom. Ill just sit here in T1/T2 smoking my pipe.

Having this rands and pugs leave for JQ is good for SOS. We free up spots for real players and guilds who actually contribute to the server.

This post is funny…and pretty irrational. JQ has been in T1 since launch, longer than any other server…by alot. We’ve had ups and downs, mass exodus and huge influx, and we’ve remained in Tier 1. The fact of the matter is, our CORE is rock solid. That same core started on JQ and have stuck it out through thick and thin. They’ve weathered adversity time and again; From being outnumbered and getting in the weeds with Guerrilla tactics, to zerging about steamrolling everything and everyone. JQ has weathered the storm. I’d suggest some of you SoSers find a way to adapt to this new incarnation of JQ, rather than whining on and on about how unfair it is. Noone feels sorry for SoS.

JQ hasn’t been in Tier 1 since launch. Id continue to discuss it, but your obviously trolling.

Okay, sorry, discounting a week long stint in T2. Otherwise, yes, we have. And what in my post would lead you to believe i’m trolling? SoS wasn’t even on the Tier 1 map three months ago, and wouldn’t be if it hadn’t been for an influx of major guilds…oh wait, LOL. Pot meet kettle. I think there are just a whole lot of you people feeling sorry for yourselves and expecting us to entertain your pity party. Earn your place in T1 and compete, otherwise make way for someone else who can.

I remember when JQ was in tier 3-4 with SoS and the people from SoS were moving to JQ because they had better coverage but they certainly weren’t a power house even at that level. So what ever lies you’re talking you must not of even been on JQ since the start of the game. At that time JQ had a stronger oceanic presence than SoS, what ever happened?

When was JQ in T3-4 with SoS? You’ll have to go ahead and prove that, because that has never been the case. Unless you’re referring to the headstart period with 24 hour matches and initial seeding taking place. Jade Quarry has spent more time in Tier 1 than any other server in the game, that’s a fact…and one that makes JQ a powerhouse in GW2 WvW. And i’ve been on JQ since Headstart, hence the server pride.

sostronk.8167:

crewthief.8649:

sostronk.8167:

crewthief.8649:

sostronk.8167:

I seen a few players from SOS leave for JQ recently. Im glad they did. There is a reason I went to SOS as soon as I could. They will stand the test of time and are the most stable of all servers. Why? Because we have Oceanic coverage and SOS is considered Oceanics home server. I don’t want fickle bandwagon players in my server. JQ is beating us this week for alot of reasons. Maybe SOS might drop to Tier 2 at some stage. But they will always be one of the most stable and consistent servers in WvW. Other servers can have their rise to the top, fall to the bottom. Ill just sit here in T1/T2 smoking my pipe.

Having this rands and pugs leave for JQ is good for SOS. We free up spots for real players and guilds who actually contribute to the server.

This post is funny…and pretty irrational. JQ has been in T1 since launch, longer than any other server…by alot. We’ve had ups and downs, mass exodus and huge influx, and we’ve remained in Tier 1. The fact of the matter is, our CORE is rock solid. That same core started on JQ and have stuck it out through thick and thin. They’ve weathered adversity time and again; From being outnumbered and getting in the weeds with Guerrilla tactics, to zerging about steamrolling everything and everyone. JQ has weathered the storm. I’d suggest some of you SoSers find a way to adapt to this new incarnation of JQ, rather than whining on and on about how unfair it is. Noone feels sorry for SoS.

JQ hasn’t been in Tier 1 since launch. Id continue to discuss it, but your obviously trolling.

Because you directed

Okay, sorry, discounting a week long stint in T2. Otherwise, yes, we have. And what in my post would lead you to believe i’m trolling? I think there are just a whole lot of you people feeling sorry for yourselves and expecting us to entertain your pity party. Get over yourself dude.

Because your telling me stuff like “get over myself” etc. Your clearly a troll. You reacted to a post I made about why I am happy to be in SOS by trolling me and telling me im whining. I have no issue with SOS current position. I actually am happy with it. Stop being so mad. I have no issues. Go enjoy the game.

I’m actually clearly posting my thoughts on the matter…far from trolling. Do you even know what it means? Or are you trolling me? Honestly, try a new insult. Your post was disparaging and an underhanded jab at JQ…stop being pedantic.

P.S. FYI, I edited that ‘get over yourself’ out of my post, just after you apparently quoted it, lol.

Who would have thought that such a large amount of SoS would act this way when the tables were turned on them…

sostronk.8167:

crewthief.8649:

sostronk.8167:

I seen a few players from SOS leave for JQ recently. Im glad they did. There is a reason I went to SOS as soon as I could. They will stand the test of time and are the most stable of all servers. Why? Because we have Oceanic coverage and SOS is considered Oceanics home server. I don’t want fickle bandwagon players in my server. JQ is beating us this week for alot of reasons. Maybe SOS might drop to Tier 2 at some stage. But they will always be one of the most stable and consistent servers in WvW. Other servers can have their rise to the top, fall to the bottom. Ill just sit here in T1/T2 smoking my pipe.

Having this rands and pugs leave for JQ is good for SOS. We free up spots for real players and guilds who actually contribute to the server.

This post is funny…and pretty irrational. JQ has been in T1 since launch, longer than any other server…by alot. We’ve had ups and downs, mass exodus and huge influx, and we’ve remained in Tier 1. The fact of the matter is, our CORE is rock solid. That same core started on JQ and have stuck it out through thick and thin. They’ve weathered adversity time and again; From being outnumbered and getting in the weeds with Guerrilla tactics, to zerging about steamrolling everything and everyone. JQ has weathered the storm. I’d suggest some of you SoSers find a way to adapt to this new incarnation of JQ, rather than whining on and on about how unfair it is. Noone feels sorry for SoS.

JQ hasn’t been in Tier 1 since launch. Id continue to discuss it, but your obviously trolling.

Okay, sorry, discounting a week long stint in T2. Otherwise, yes, we have. And what in my post would lead you to believe i’m trolling? SoS wasn’t even on the Tier 1 map three months ago, and wouldn’t be if it hadn’t been for an influx of major guilds…oh wait, LOL. Pot meet kettle. I think there are just a whole lot of you people feeling sorry for yourselves and expecting us to entertain your pity party. Earn your place in T1 and compete, otherwise make way for someone else who can.

AFK.1854:

It seems that somewhere along the line you folks in JQ became so fixated on being #1, that you’ve forgotten most of the fun in WvW is a good balanced fight.

Seems to me JQ is doing what many other servers have done since launch…gearing up to crush the competition by filling time zone gaps. Adapt or die?

sostronk.8167:

I seen a few players from SOS leave for JQ recently. Im glad they did. There is a reason I went to SOS as soon as I could. They will stand the test of time and are the most stable of all servers. Why? Because we have Oceanic coverage and SOS is considered Oceanics home server. I don’t want fickle bandwagon players in my server. JQ is beating us this week for alot of reasons. Maybe SOS might drop to Tier 2 at some stage. But they will always be one of the most stable and consistent servers in WvW. Other servers can have their rise to the top, fall to the bottom. Ill just sit here in T1/T2 smoking my pipe.

Having this rands and pugs leave for JQ is good for SOS. We free up spots for real players and guilds who actually contribute to the server.

This post is funny…and pretty irrational. JQ has been in T1 since launch, longer than any other server…by alot. We’ve had ups and downs, mass exodus and huge influx, and we’ve remained in Tier 1. The fact of the matter is, our CORE is rock solid. That same core started on JQ and have stuck it out through thick and thin. They’ve weathered adversity time and again; From being outnumbered and getting in the weeds with Guerrilla tactics, to zerging about steamrolling everything and everyone. JQ has weathered the storm. I’d suggest some of you SoSers find a way to adapt to this new incarnation of JQ, rather than whining on and on about how unfair it is. Noone feels sorry for SoS.

Do you have to be invited to a party in order to guest or something? How does this feature work exactly? And yes, this idea sounds fun.

kKagari.6804:

crewthief.8649:

kKagari.6804:

crewthief.8649:

Czar Peter.7961:

crewthief.8649:

Hey, we get it…you think you’re pro. With spam recruitment guilds like MERC, you obviously MUST be. But then, that begs the question…why are you on the forums making excuses as to why you got curbstomped last week…hmm…

crewthief.8649:

Hey, it’s obviously truth man…MERC Officers processed literally HUNDREDS of vacation applications! Those that they denied, had to give WvW without a zerg a try for once. Needless to say, it didn’t work out very well for them.

So here we see crewthief.8649 claiming that SoS were short on numbers that week and hence had to “give WvW without a zerg a try”, whilst also claiming that JQ’s win could only be attributed to individual skill rather than other “excuses” such as SoS being short on numbers due to New Year. I think there’s a contradiction here but you need above average IQ to see it.

Actually, I was referring to MERC zerging about…but yeah, I suppose you could attribute that to the rest of SoS as well. The funny part to me, is that apparently you think that only SoS dealt with the Holidays, LOL. Does that seriously make sense to you? What was that about IQ score?

You are misinterpreting the correlation between player presence and global holidays. Its not that New Years will mean a certain server will definitely have less players (because it’ll happen to all servers), it means that player fluctuations will be more probable. How much, is not gauged by the holiday unless there are cultural implications (and the relevant servers it may apply to). When people attribute player fluctuations to holidays, it is very much valid because that’s the truth. Did SoS have people going on holidays because of the New Years? Highly, in fact definitely, yes. Did SoS have more players going on holiday than JQ? No one except Arenanet can actually tell us this, but to completely dismiss this fact (that more SoS players left than JQ); is foolish. To completely attribute the loss to this fact is equally foolish.

I can see where you’re coming from. Wouldn’t you say it’s safe to assume that a roughly equal amount of people spent time with their families? Afterall, that particular stretch of Holidays is generally celebrated in equal measure by the Countries represented in these three servers. Ultimately, it just strikes me as exceptionally presumptuous to assume that one of the three was substantially more affected than the other two.

I suppose my TLDR should have said: weeks with global holidays are not entirely accurate to ascertain relevant data, and I understand most people would believe this also. I think the same string of arguments would have occurred regardless of who won last week.

Though as I said before, all scenarios are equally un-provable by members of the community. The fact is, for all three servers to be EQUALLY affected is also highly unlikely, that is; an equal amount of people taking a break from the game. Equal. What is also equally un-provable is any person without data from Arenanet to claim that ‘more people on our server left’.

Fair enough, and I believe that we are in agreement.

Czar Peter.7961:

kKagari.6804:

crewthief.8649:

Czar Peter.7961:

crewthief.8649:

Hey, we get it…you think you’re pro. With spam recruitment guilds like MERC, you obviously MUST be. But then, that begs the question…why are you on the forums making excuses as to why you got curbstomped last week…hmm…

crewthief.8649:

Hey, it’s obviously truth man…MERC Officers processed literally HUNDREDS of vacation applications! Those that they denied, had to give WvW without a zerg a try for once. Needless to say, it didn’t work out very well for them.

So here we see crewthief.8649 claiming that SoS were short on numbers that week and hence had to “give WvW without a zerg a try”, whilst also claiming that JQ’s win could only be attributed to individual skill rather than other “excuses” such as SoS being short on numbers due to New Year. I think there’s a contradiction here but you need above average IQ to see it.

Actually, I was referring to MERC zerging about…but yeah, I suppose you could attribute that to the rest of SoS as well. The funny part to me, is that apparently you think that only SoS dealt with the Holidays, LOL. Does that seriously make sense to you? What was that about IQ score?

You are misinterpreting the correlation between player presence and global holidays. Its not that New Years will mean a certain server will definitely have less players (because it’ll happen to all servers), it means that player fluctuations will be more probable. How much, is not gauged by the holiday unless there are cultural implications (and the relevant servers it may apply to). When people attribute player fluctuations to holidays, it is very much valid because that’s the truth. Did SoS have people going on holidays because of the New Years? Highly, in fact definitely, yes. Did SoS have more players going on holiday than JQ? No one except Arenanet can actually tell us this, but to completely dismiss this fact (that more SoS players left than JQ); is foolish. To completely attribute the loss to this fact is equally foolish.

Yeah I don’t disagree at all. From what I’ve read though, some JQ players take offence at the mere mention that SoS having fewer players was a factor (see responses to Jedahs’ comment). However, if JQ’s victory was (mainly) due to factors internal to JQ, then we should see more victories from them in the future, won’t we?

It’s certainly possible. JQ has been in T1 since launch, what other server can claim that? SBI can make a very similar claim. SoS? Not even close. We’ll see how this all plays out in the long run…because that’s what WvW is about; longevity. I understand you’re being sarcastic, and that you’re very excited to be in T1. Give it a few more months…it’ll give you some perspective.

Leo Paul.1659:

I disliked it when JQ and SBI used every single holiday as an excuse for losing to us. I dislike it even more when we (SOS) use it. It’s embarrassing really.

And I was equally embarrassed by those from my server that did the same. If you lose, own it.

kKagari.6804:

crewthief.8649:

Czar Peter.7961:

crewthief.8649:

Hey, we get it…you think you’re pro. With spam recruitment guilds like MERC, you obviously MUST be. But then, that begs the question…why are you on the forums making excuses as to why you got curbstomped last week…hmm…

crewthief.8649:

Hey, it’s obviously truth man…MERC Officers processed literally HUNDREDS of vacation applications! Those that they denied, had to give WvW without a zerg a try for once. Needless to say, it didn’t work out very well for them.

So here we see crewthief.8649 claiming that SoS were short on numbers that week and hence had to “give WvW without a zerg a try”, whilst also claiming that JQ’s win could only be attributed to individual skill rather than other “excuses” such as SoS being short on numbers due to New Year. I think there’s a contradiction here but you need above average IQ to see it.

Actually, I was referring to MERC zerging about…but yeah, I suppose you could attribute that to the rest of SoS as well. The funny part to me, is that apparently you think that only SoS dealt with the Holidays, LOL. Does that seriously make sense to you? What was that about IQ score?

You are misinterpreting the correlation between player presence and global holidays. Its not that New Years will mean a certain server will definitely have less players (because it’ll happen to all servers), it means that player fluctuations will be more probable. How much, is not gauged by the holiday unless there are cultural implications (and the relevant servers it may apply to). When people attribute player fluctuations to holidays, it is very much valid because that’s the truth. Did SoS have people going on holidays because of the New Years? Highly, in fact definitely, yes. Did SoS have more players going on holiday than JQ? No one except Arenanet can actually tell us this, but to completely dismiss this fact (that more SoS players left than JQ); is foolish. To completely attribute the loss to this fact is equally foolish.

I can see where you’re coming from. Wouldn’t you say it’s safe to assume that a roughly equal amount of people spent time with their families? Afterall, that particular stretch of Holidays is generally celebrated in equal measure by the Countries represented in these three servers. Ultimately, it just strikes me as exceptionally presumptuous to assume that one of the three was substantially more affected than the other two.

elkirin.8534:

Another good fight ingame, I am staying up to 3am playing this magnificent game!

Forums are another thing, so many mean spirited and petty posters from a variety of servers and guilds. This dribble from all sides is pointless, win lose or draw, it is the ingame opponents that make it possible to enjoy WvWvW.

Please get on with playing the game and enjoying it.

Disdain for your opponent in an RvR environment is actually pretty common. You’ll never hear me make hacking accusations or whine about double teams…but I will most certainly stir the pot and make every effort to ruffle feathers, lol. At the end of the day…this is all in good fun and bluster, nothing more.

Kunagisa.7361:

crewthief.8649:

And LOL, so you gave your people ‘permission’ to miss WvW the week we won. That explains everything…LMAO. Perhaps you should reread your post and take your own advice. And serious LOLZ with regard to the fact that your Guild members have to ‘request leave’ in order to be away from the game. Wow dude…just…wow.

“Request to leave” is probably a simple statement they have to make, not 40+ pages thesis paper/portfolio review. How disorganized in real life do you have to be that you can’t even submit something that takes less than a minute to fill out. I’d imagine for a guild as big as his you need at least a sort of organization structure (with rules/logarithms being the most elementary) else the logistics would just be absolute nightmare when you wish to get anything done.

Anyone with any experience managing anything at multi-level would understand this Even if not the thought process should be apparent, I do not understand why you would find his statement humorous, let alone trying to ridicule it.

I very, very highly doubt someone with a dysfunctional real life could manage a giant guild (that lasts); furthermore, I tend to find these guild leaders tend to attract people with similar personality (ex: the people who would “play by his rules” to quote you), whom, unfortunately, also tend to be ridiculed by others for being “hardcore” in a “just a video game.” When in fact, these people are contributing members to the society with healthy lifestyle who find great enjoyment of video games as a hobby.

Of course, there are other “big guilds”, who tend to just recruit everyone (even mouth breathers) that can never accomplish anything, which MERC clearly is not one of those.

PS: Using LOL, LOLZ, and LMAO excessively does make you seem a little bit (if not extremely) like a clown.

Crazy coincidence…I AM a clown IRL, right on man. But in all seriousness, you obviously missed completely, the point of that quoted post. It really has nothing to do with ‘hardcore’ or someone ‘lacking the organization to fill out an application for leave’…it’s the entire notion that someone would request permission from a person on the internet (who ISN’T paying them), to simply spend time with their loved ones during a holiday. Giving the Guild Leader a heads up, got it…I get that, but what he was talking about, I definitely don’t get, LOL. Of course, you obviously don’t understand where i’m coming from, so i’ll just say this is all my OPINION and nothing more.

P.S. The ‘LOLZ and LMAO’ are sometimes used when communicating on the internets to express the ridiculousness of a certain situation. Check out the Urban Dictionary man, I suggest you get current.

celeron.3469:

crewthief.8649:

I really think all you need to know about Jedah can be found reading his wall of text regarding his Guilds’ “Holiday Leave Policy”, LMAO. Seriously bro.

Say all you want, MERC is probably one of the biggest guilds left in the game. Just last Friday they had 200 members online at the same time (it might even be nightly idk). That may not have even been the only guild they have considering they are at member cap. Given that, I can almost guarantee your replies are overreaction out of frustration.

Frustration over what? The ability to zerg around and cap objectives? Sorry, not impressive enough to warrant any frustration. The few times i’ve run into MERC members in 1v1/1v2 scenarios…I haven’t been that impressed. :/

Jedahs.2713:

@drwookie

Definitely not directed at you personally. Edited original post. Apologies if offended you by accident.

Just my general view of officer duties in MERC guild.

And being an Officer in a video game is serious business! I think alot of you people need some very real seriousness in your real lives so you can lighten up, in game. I have to ‘apply for leave of absence’ in real life, and only at very specific times of the year…this whole notion of what your Guild does basically blows my mind. And the logic behind it, is equally mystifying to me. What really gets me, is that you seem to believe that someone willing to play by these rules of yours, in order to spend time with actual friends and family, shows some sort of honor and sense of duty, when someone who does not play by those rules…is somehow disloyal in real life? Am I getting this right?

Jedahs.2713:

crewthief.8649:

Derk.3189:

Mance.5640:

SoS does talk an extreme amount of smack after losing by 70kish points last week.

What other server tells the other they shouldn’t be in T1 after just losing to them…(and only on 2.5 days out of a 7 day struggle.)

You’re sure not the SoS you used to be before the bandwagon.

On a side note the real wvw struggle between the oldest GW2 enemies JQ/SBI is coming to an end this week after a long and bloody struggle. Good fights SBI, good luck in T2. I shall stab you more when you return.

Mance

Aren’t you talking smack just now? Its funny though, I’m not sure why JQ gets so worked up on these forums every week, shouldn’t losing to SoS be second nature to you guys now? It’s not like there’s a tug-o-war of scores with the leading position, SoS is just outrunning you guys more and more each day, and it’s been happening for the past month.

Except last week, where we beat you by 70k points, amirite? You’re either delusional, or just jumped on the SoS bandwagon.

Hey guys

SOS lost last week. And we were happy to say you deserved it and congratulations.

But all this poor sportsmanship and derogatory comments towards SOS is sickening.

It’s not like we didn’t ANNOUNCE that we were stopping WvW during the holidays.

Read it here, it was a public announcement and we even posted it on the forums.

http://blacklion.enjin.com/

MERC posted that we were going to stop playing during holidays, it was practically a compulsory event for everyone in MERC to attend family events.

So again, we congratulate JQ for winning because you certainly did put in the extra effort. But this “if we win its cause they suck, if they win is because of some supernatural event let’s flame them” really sickens me.

Posted on Dec 21 2012

Dear MERC Members

It’s that time of year again and I am here to bring along some Christmas cheer! Hohoho!

Sea of Sorrows, our server, our home, has been world champions of WvW for 5 weeks in a row now. This is longer than any server has ever held the #1 position. Our Legacy is secure. Our 2012 goal has been attained. Now we need to seek new challenges in 2013 and our renewed mission is clear:

MERC will become the #1 guild of choice for all players seeking high tier competitive WvW in the Oceanic time zone.

In the past month, MERC officers and members have taken our new reformed management structure and absolutely ran away with it. The results surprised even myself.

MERC has over 1100 unique active members across 3 guilds, with at least 150 members online at all times.
MERC has between 20% to 60% members active in WvW at all times.
MERC officers were able to recruit 500 unique active WvW members within a period of 10 days.
MERC now has 24/7 fully active WvW members, hungry to do battle.
MERC now has at least 3 commanders to be available in each of the 3 major time zones: North American, Oceanic and European.
MERC successfully survived the Mayan end of the world and will continue battling the hidden illuminati overlords to protect the world!

MERC values strong, loyal and committed members. However, we believe that for the long term sustainability of our guild, our members should also be encouraged to have stable and balanced lifestyles and strong bonds to their friends and families in real life. Only through treasuring those we love, can we draw the strength to fight during the hardest of times.

In the coming week, the leave applications of many commanders, officers and players in the guild have already been authorized. In fact, we encourage it as an organization of responsible and mature gamers. So in the coming week of Christmas and New Year celebrations, MERC encourages all players of WvW to cool off from the blood daily battles. Christmas and New Year is a time we should all step back from our hectic battles and spend quality time with our loved ones so that we can reflect on and treasure those whom we love and have been fighting for so hard in life.

Let’s enjoy our well-deserved rest and tear them a new one next year.

Have a safe and wonderful holiday!

Unfortunately, none of your rant applies in the least bit to what I posted. Read the post I quoted. My post was in reply to his blatant chest-thumping. And LOL, so you gave your people ‘permission’ to miss WvW the week we won. That explains everything…LMAO. Perhaps you should reread your post and take your own advice. And serious LOLZ with regard to the fact that your Guild members have to ‘request leave’ in order to be away from the game. Wow dude…just…wow.

Leo Paul.1659:

People from all 3 servers have both nice and not-so-nice posters. It’s not like we haven’t read the same arguments before. We’re merely going around in circles at this point. Nothing is permanent that’s for sure, and so SOS losing isn’t such a big surprise. And neither would JQ falling to T2 if that ever happens again.

Fixed it for you.

Had the exact same issue earlier today. Was transmuted, Norn Cultural Armor…tried to dye, it wouldn’t stay once I left the dye UI, thought to unequip the armor and BAM…crash to desktop.

Rainu.6871:

There are 3 things wrong in the OP:
1) Mesmers don’t burst for higher than thieves normally. Right now there is a bug/exploit which causes MW to do more damage than it should but even then the damage is about the same as a mug->BS->CnD combo (possibly quicker, that depends on the reflexes (or if there is a macro involved)).
2) Mass invisibility only affects 5 people, not a zerg.
3) There have been a ton of calls for mesmer nerfs but after a dev posted that they will be nerfed (hopefully just the exploit) it’s calmed down a bit.

I have both a thief and a mesmer at lvl80, I’d say the thief has an easier time over all to fight people in WvW but mesmers bring more to the team. As a mesmer I find thieves quite easy to fight as long as I’m not caught unaware with the wrong skills slotted, as a thief I generally don’t go for mesmers in a power build since attacking a clone with e.g. CnD means wasted 6 initiative (cond builds are easier since Death Blossom takes out clones and gives bleeding to the real msmer)

On point 3, which bug/exploit? Are you referring to the Shattered Strength trait? I’ve always had extremely high burst when shattering all 4 (myself included)…haven’t noticed anything much higher than normal. In fact, most opponents are dead before I can really make full use of that trait.

Pinko.2076:

I’ve been a mesmer since release, and I think bunker mesmer is quite terrible for the reasons outlined in my other post. I see huge use in it for zerg busting, but that’s because most people in a zerg don’t know what’s going on, and most players don’t know how to deal with bunker mesmers. They are a great distraction, but again, that’s only against the 95%.

The reasons you said would force people to attack a bunker mesmer are actually the reasons I would call a different target. You’re doing jobs that other professions do ten times better, and not doing the one that makes the profession worth paying attention to. Mesmer mantra healing is really, really bad if your purpose is group support.

^This

Also, the Mesmer class, in and of itself, is very survivable. I run a full-on, Berzerker geared, glass cannon Mesmer…and I VERY rarely die. Basically, if I die it’s because I made a mistake (overextend, poor positioning, bite off more than I can chew). And I run more-or-less solo.

I see where you’re going with this OP, but I really don’t think it’s quite as simple as you suggest. Player skill plays a much bigger role than build and gear, in my experience.

Valenna Tiefling.5806:

crewthief.8649:

Valenna Tiefling.5806:

shochinhwa.1648:

Valenna Tiefling.5806:

Oh man… This thread has promise. I think the next thing y’all should do is assure each other how your tier is stable in the long-term and won’t change. Of course, if anyone dropped even one tier, you would literally become henge… literally. I’m sorry, I shouldn’t interrupt, it’ll ruin it, please continue.

The fate of HoD/ET are true stories mmkay. Once two outstanding strong servers now the lowest in their respective tiers. It’s real and it could happen to any server. Get used to it!

You don’t say. Please tell me all about HoD and ET, I want to make sure to write it all down so that I don’t forget.

HoD is ancient history…and ultimately, irrelevant.

And here I thought my fun with this thread was over, it seems my initial thoughts on it were right.

There’s really 2 ways I could go with this: I could go on ahead and mock the laughable implication that WvW outside of tier 1 is irrelevant (get on my level, right brah?) or I could address the driveby slander of HoD (who ya’ll were only able to beat after we lost most our player base) directly.

Decisions, decisions. Aw, heck, I’m going to go with the first one. Why don’t you tell me all about how T7 and 8 are irrelevant. Make sure your essay specifically addresses server transfers and bandwagoning, and make sure to cite your sources. (Sample argument: Tier 8 is irrelevant because no guilds ever transfer down there and rankings are and always will be stable)

Oh no, I don’t think every tier beneath Tier 1 is irrelevant, I just think HoD is. I mean seriously though, they dominated for about a month at launch and most of those victories were 24 hour matches…not really that impressive. So you team stacked months before launch and had success…and? Didn’t have the fortitude to stay the long haul? And now we get self-aggrandizing posts like yours, living off the work put in by better players carrying you…trolling threads that have nothing to do with you. Most people have forgotten about HoD…that’s how relevant you are…brah.