Guild Wars 2

Doomdesire.9365:

Shilian.5873:

Thieves of all the world, go to roll a ranger and build it glass cannon, then tell me if you still have the guts to complain about your incoming nerf.

That’s very ironical, but ranger was a good class before as glass cannon that DID NOT need a nerf, and it got nerfed to the point where the ranger class isn’t nearly as great, now this is happening to us while warriors and guardians still have the same type of damage.

Are you saying that Guardians have the same burst as Thieves?

Assassin.3927:

I agree 100%
glass cannon backstab is a playstyle. it’s risky and it fits some of us. why complain about a 8k hit with thieves that have10k HP compared to a warrior who can burst up to 20k in less then a sec.

Apparently Anet disagrees. A 100b Warrior isn’t even in the same ballpark as a backstab Thief dude.

EasymodeX.4062:

Yes Easy, the interesting thing is that you in every listed example is correct, How can this annoying little Azura still cling to hes hs and pistol like its the toys give from hes biggest Idol on his birthday?

I don’t question that — some people don’t have the obsession of killing trash-tier players that try to escape situations they shouldn’t, which is fine. Me, I want them dead, hence the toolset to make it so.

Pistol’s a more interesting argument though, since Pistol is almost always worse than Focus (Focus has the same or better degree of CC, and a Phantasm that’s basically better most of the time if you can position your Void to throw people on top of him).

Also dont forget staff clones with sharper immages is strongest clone dmg possible.

On a single target, a staff clone has a 66% chance of a damaging condition and %crit chance per second of SI.

On a single target, a GS clone has 3x crit chance per second of SI. Assuming an even 50 crit chance (non-Rampager gear or mix of Rampager and non-prec gear), that is:

Staff: 1.16 bleeds per second
GS: 1.5 bleeds per second

Of course WOC can bounce, making Staff clones potentially more interesting / more valuable for other reasons, but it doesn’t win by any significant margin.

The trend I say is that with the less defensfull weps you need that thoughtness etc, I need my pistol and staff. And my team need my staff more than my GS.

That facet depends on the situations. GS/Sword/x has more burst, so depending on the fight you obviate any need for toughness. Staff is typically slower-killing (although it doesn’t need to be that way depending on playstyle), so toughness typically becomes more effective.

Just comes down to playstyle i’d say. Mesmer’s in a good place with multiple viable specs and weapon sets.

Banjo.5409:

I don’t really see the point to make a video of the most op and broken class in the game playing against noobs who have no kittening clue about fighting a mesmer. Anyone with half a brain can do that.

An experienced player playing ANY profession will, 9 times out of 10, faceroll noobs. Not sure what your point is, unless you just saw this thread as an opportunity to QQ about Mesmer.

Osicat.4139:

Easymode I think that come down to playstyle, I sure ppl find it hard but al I can say is that I and some others found ways to do this. Just need to be on your toes, use 1200 range trait on pistol.

The tools I use mainly is Blink, pistol sword 2, staff 2 and suprisinly portals.

Portal part "if you plan and think they going to run drop a portal, blink and staff 2 hit em form 1 side, often you can burst a solo player down in a few secs, if not and you hit fomr 1 side he often will run in other direction and you can portal hit him, if he get 3-4 friends al of a sudden your portal is a escape instead. I dont say it always work, same as I say not always needed as often I find ppl dead in 1st burst 2-3 sec after fight started.

Last, not al player you face is playing french playstyle, some accualy stay and fight.

PS in group fights I like to set roles to the team, and some will always be hunter of runners, usualy a thief we use who have a sick interest in run after wounded targets and stab them in the back.

I run Blink, Decoy, and Null Field most of the time…swap out Null Field w/ Feedback or Blink depending on the situation. Generally run Mass Invisibility in the elite slot.

EasymodeX.4062:

1. If you have lots of other people CC’ing for you, sure.

2. Staff still chases for kitten.

3. Pistol stun + Sword iLeap <<< Focus Into the Void + Sword iLeap

4. 1200 range GS cripple >>> Staff.

5. 1200 range instant DPS >>> 1200 range projectiles that don’t land because the enemy is moving away from you.

6. 1200 range phantasm that hits >>> 1200 range phantasm whose projectile doesn’t land.

Staff is a defensive weapon, which is in many cases more interesting for a small group v. X skirmish.

However, Staff doesn’t make stuff die. People can run away pretty easily. If you’re in a position where “the enemy runs away” = win, then you win. Most of the time, winning to me = they die. GS makes stuff die.

All the tools you list to improve chasedown are equally applicable to GS/x. Shrug.

That’s a fair point, and I do find runners are extremely difficult to catch up with. I suppose that’s the downside to Staff. In my mind, the defensive capability and utility makes up for that weakness. That, and alot of times, people become aware of my burst…but it’s too late for them to run.

I run basically the same build as Osicat. It is a very active, high-action build inherently…but played correctly can totally wreck face. I have basically zero survivability issues unless outright zerged. The survivability is built into utilities, staff, and proper use of shatters (specifically distortion). The burst, when geared properly, is scary good. I also run Sigils of Superior Energy in my pistol and staff (+50% endurance on weapon swap), which helps with survivability quite alot as well. Once you’ve mastered this build, you will not lose 1v1s unless AFK, lol.

I’m running Superior Runes of Divinity. With Berzerker gear and the +crit damage, the burst is insane.

Roll a Mesmer and learn the class. You’ll have a much easier time dealing with them if you do.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

crewthief.8649:

Webley.1295:

More bads QQing about simple mechanics that can be understood in around 10mins of study

Read the rest of the thread before commenting. Nothing you’ve typed pertains to the debate. Funny, two people in this thread have commented that i’m “bad”, LOL. I’d happily duel and dominate both of you, positive of that. I’m on Sorrows Furnace, we’re playing Emhry Bay and Northern Shiverpeaks this week. PM me.

I would destroy you kid. But I would never be matched against your garbage server anyway.

I’m sure you would. Care to prove it? I’m 37, far from a kid. Wasn’t your server beaten by my ‘trash’ server a month or so ago? We were matched against SoR and DH. Your amazing server has little if anything to do with you, transfers sound familiar? LOL!

Webley.1295:

More bads QQing about simple mechanics that can be understood in around 10mins of study

Read the rest of the thread before commenting. Nothing you’ve typed pertains to the debate. Funny, two people in this thread have commented that i’m “bad”, LOL. I’d happily duel and dominate both of you, positive of that. I’m on Sorrows Furnace, we’re playing Emhry Bay and Northern Shiverpeaks this week. PM me.

@SmokeyNYY

Also, if you had read my other posts in this thread…you’d see that i’m not just blindly complaining about Thieves. Funny that you’d assume that since I disagree with you, I must be getting crapped on by Thieves. Is it possible that I just feel they’re a bit overpowered because they are?

SmokeyNYY.7841:

crewthief.8649:

Yama.9376:

crewthief.8649:

Yama.9376:

crewthief.8649:

FatFuzzy.2659:

jc could u guys whine about something else pls??? Ew!! that class is to strong!! ew!! Ew that class has to many cool things!! Can’t beat ’em, join ’em!! Every WvW post should come w/ cheez n crackers & a trip to the proctologist, pathetic honey boo boos.

Says the Thief. My posts have been informed and not just whining for the sake of whining. I’m sorry you play a Thief and disagree…shocking! Grow up and get over yourself dude.

says the mesmer .

/point
/laugh

Zibzab OP Thief

Mesmer’s been brought in-line quite alot. Good players can give me a very tough time just fine. I listed the reasons that I hold the opinion I do. You’re doing nothing to refute what I posted. I patiently await your tears when you get nerfed, LOL!

This is how i read your arguments:

A bad mesmer (you) needs a good player to be able to kill them.

hmm

A bad thief kills no one (unless they are so bad they dont move away, refer to most posters in this thread).

Thank you I see clearly. Mesmer OP. Nerf whaaaa

Zibzab OP Thief

Well, you make alot of assumptions there. Pretty sure you and I have never fought in-game. Also, you clearly either haven’t read or have failed to comprehend my argument in this thread, your reply has nothing do with it. I do great on my Mesmer. Your class is overpowered dude. And you’re trolling for the sake of trolling.

Thief has been brought in line as well. Thief is the class that got the most nerfs. Now stop complaining because your getting crapped on by thieves.

We’ll see, won’t we? Only people really defending Thieves are people who play Thieves. Does that tell you anything?

Yama.9376:

crewthief.8649:

Yama.9376:

crewthief.8649:

FatFuzzy.2659:

jc could u guys whine about something else pls??? Ew!! that class is to strong!! ew!! Ew that class has to many cool things!! Can’t beat ’em, join ’em!! Every WvW post should come w/ cheez n crackers & a trip to the proctologist, pathetic honey boo boos.

Says the Thief. My posts have been informed and not just whining for the sake of whining. I’m sorry you play a Thief and disagree…shocking! Grow up and get over yourself dude.

says the mesmer .

/point
/laugh

Zibzab OP Thief

Mesmer’s been brought in-line quite alot. Good players can give me a very tough time just fine. I listed the reasons that I hold the opinion I do. You’re doing nothing to refute what I posted. I patiently await your tears when you get nerfed, LOL!

This is how i read your arguments:

A bad mesmer (you) needs a good player to be able to kill them.

hmm

A bad thief kills no one (unless they are so bad they dont move away, refer to most posters in this thread).

Thank you I see clearly. Mesmer OP. Nerf whaaaa

Zibzab OP Thief

Well, you make alot of assumptions there. Pretty sure you and I have never fought in-game. Also, you clearly either haven’t read or have failed to comprehend my argument in this thread, your reply has nothing do with it. I do great on my Mesmer. Your class is overpowered dude. And you’re trolling for the sake of trolling.

FatFuzzy.2659:

kittenin sweet, that’s y i picked it.

plus you seem very argumentative & confrontational….may i suggest some aromatherapy? Or a few minutes in a hot tub???

Something about ignorance makes me confrontational…what can i say.

FatFuzzy.2659:

kittenin sweet, that’s y i picked it.

Well, I don’t hate you for it man. It is what it is…but I do think they need toned down. In pretty much every other MMO i’ve played, I mained the stealther…wish i’d done the same in GW2 sometimes, LMAO.

FatFuzzy.2659:

not hear to argue w/ ya crew…tired of seeing complaining posts……ya we hit hard, hard as hell…we also have a ton of weaknesses that good players know how to exploit. I’ll never grow up & get over myself tho, you’ll have to lay alot more sarcasm on me to get under my skin!! lol…Keep trying tho, it’s entertaining.

It isn’t about how hard you hit dude, if you’d bothered to read the rest of this thread you’d see that. My issue isn’t with Thief burst…it’s with in-combat stealth and their mobility. That combination of very high burst AND survivability is unmatched by any other profession.

I’ve beaten plenty of Thieves, but that really has nothing to do with whether or not the profession is in-line with the others.

Yama.9376:

crewthief.8649:

FatFuzzy.2659:

jc could u guys whine about something else pls??? Ew!! that class is to strong!! ew!! Ew that class has to many cool things!! Can’t beat ’em, join ’em!! Every WvW post should come w/ cheez n crackers & a trip to the proctologist, pathetic honey boo boos.

Says the Thief. My posts have been informed and not just whining for the sake of whining. I’m sorry you play a Thief and disagree…shocking! Grow up and get over yourself dude.

says the mesmer .

/point
/laugh

Zibzab OP Thief

Mesmer’s been brought in-line quite alot. Here’s a tip; CTRL + T, reapply if Mesmer stealths. Good players can give me a very tough time and very rarely get confused by the clones. I listed the reasons that I hold the opinion I do. You’re doing nothing to refute what I posted. I patiently await your tears when you get nerfed, LOL!

FatFuzzy.2659:

jc could u guys whine about something else pls??? Ew!! that class is to strong!! ew!! Ew that class has to many cool things!! Can’t beat ’em, join ’em!! Every WvW post should come w/ cheez n crackers & a trip to the proctologist, pathetic honey boo boos.

Says the Thief. My posts have been informed and not just whining for the sake of whining. I’m sorry you play a Thief and disagree…shocking! Grow up and get over yourself dude.

I’ll state again, I have zero problems with the amount of burst Thieves have…I have an issue when that amount of burst is combined with the in-combat stealth and high mobility they currently possess. There has to be some downside for the class, currently there doesn’t seem to be.

jaif.3518:

To address some points in this thread:

- survivability is about the active defense – stealth, speed, clones, dodging…things like that. Toughness is neat, vitaility a distant last place. A few thousand health more or less won’t save you.

- I hate mesmers – their clones, etc drive me batty in WvW. But unbalanced? Not in the tactical sense. Any fight with a mesmer is long-term affair, and that’s fine.

Thieves are overpowered. They have the best burst damage, among the best defensive options, and fantastic mobility (which is both offensive and defensive). The idea that they have a smaller health pool and so-on is a smokescreen that has little to nothing to do with this conversation. Health pool is not defense.

-Jeff

P.S. Said from the POV of an elementalist and budding necromancer.

You and I are in complete agreement.

Katsumoto.9452:

There is that Red Falcon too. WvW isn’t a balance point.

PvE is probably still the main balance point and Thieves are far from the best at that. I’d say that Warriors were to be honest.

PvE is not a balance point in GW2. Generally, tPvP is. In my opinion however, in a game that offers so many seperate game modes…ALL modes have to be taken into account.

Actually, the OP misses the point, imo. It isn’t about their burst…it’s about their mobility and utility. Stealth in alot of other MMOs has generally been counterbalanced by the stealther being exceptionally squishy, and having VERY limited mid-combat stealthing options. This isn’t the case in GW2. Yes, the Thief, if he were standing still and didn’t bother restealthing during the fight, is very squishy…but that isn’t the reality. The reality is, Thief possesses FAR too much survivability for their level of burst. There has to be a tradeoff, and currently there doesn’t seem to be.

Side note. I’ve seen multiple posts by you Red-Falcon…they can all be summed up; “Learn to play noob”. In many situations, you make a valid point…but you can’t apply that kind of blanket argument to everything.

Archituethis.8274:

I have a few things I think might be beneficial to people complaining about the most recent patch. First, even before the nerf in a full condition build staff clones did more damage per second then the i warlock. Second, a lot of people fail to realize that with illusionary persona simply running into a pack of mobs and pressing f1 and f2 will tag most if not all of the mobs. Add in a clone or two to that if you feel the need to be safe. I hope some people will benefit from this knowledge.

Pretty much this. And with a power/precision/crit dmg build…those shatters hurt. Positioning yourself correctly for the next wave of mobs is also very important.

Hoboed.3769:

Yeah, you’re doing it wrong prodigy. How dare you question them and ask for proof. It works great in areas like Queensdale, Caledon forest, Plains of Ashford, etc… with your lvl 80 mesmer. PvE goes down quick. I see Crewthief and Ross soloing those areas all the time.

Why does the guardian get split PvE/PvP skills and the mesmer don’t? Because there are plenty of builds (all of 2 builds (shatter and shatter) and soon only to include only scepter + GS builds) that works and Mesmer get plenty of loot; that is until you play another class like engineer and realize how much loot you are missing out on. But I do plenty of AOE damage with my berzerker, warden, shatter, etc. I just have to wait until they come off CD (which I use the time in between to make me a sandwich, goto work, sleep then come back) and only if the mob doesn’t die before they have a chance to tag/attack, and only if they don’t get one hit before they attack. But it’s all about timing (coming in and finishing off the mobs while they have low health as they are being damaged by the warrior’s ‘spin to win’ combo) and having the apm of a starcraft 2 player all the while doing just average so I can look down on other classes.

Okay, since you actually put my name in your paragraph…

Honestly, i’ve yet to have any issues running my Mesmer in PvE, sPvP, or WvW…in spite of the balance patches. To actually assert that Mesmer is “terrible”, is gross exaggeration. We have options, I think at this point Anet is sending a signal loud and clear that the profession is NOT (I know, shocking), a minion master that should simply summon pets and sit back comfortably. Those of us who grasped that concept early on (BWE for me), have excelled with the profession. Those who have failed, and still fail, to grasp that concept…choose instead to whine incessantly on these forums.

So yes, in my experience he, and those like him, are in fact doing it wrong. Sorry

P.S. spawn clones + Illusionary Persona + correct timing in the midst of mob swarm = profit. Add Blurred Frenzy in there, and you’ll be just fine.

Azaruil.3406:

Ianervan.3415:

Dane.3948:

If this bothers you then there is something wrong with you.

I understand that moral relativism, trash culture, and profanity are considered something positive today in Western civilization. Oldfashioned as some of us are, we still strive towards noble behavior, gentleman manners, and certain values.

Ah yes, those oldfashioned values were quite wonderful. Especially those values that enshrined racism, sexism and religious bigotry into our societies.

Hmmm, on second thought I think I’ll take profanity instead.

What a simple and predictable response.

hitsuzenryuu.4891:

RecasT.3746:

kidbs.8920:

Enjoy the Halloween event while it lasts. JQs days are numbered as SBI was proving prior to the Halloween event kickoff.

lamest excuse I’ve seen so far (for both servers actually), do you mean most of your WvW dudes just did carebear stuff all day long and thats why you somehow probably gonna lose this week? oh come on…..

Surely you jest. Do you honestly believe you pulled a 10k lead in a single day (the day of the patch) out of pure server skill? If so, why didn’t you guys do that sooner?

Still a very lame excuse. LOL!

prodigy.1023:

Ross Biddle.2367:

PvE mobs die quickly and can’t kill me.

PvP enemies die quickly and can’t kill me.

How about a video, oh the almighty? Because, sorry, I don’t believe you. Well, actually the PvP part could sound plausible, say, 3 weeks ago. But as for PvE you’re just flat out lying here, m8.

No…he isn’t. You’re doing it wrong to be honest.

In a thread asking for epic, Mesmer induced QQ stories, there are people crying about Mesmer. Gotta love the irony!

In other games i’ve played…this type of thing has definitely been used to bring the opponent off his game. It works amazingly well at times.

Cogbyrn.7283:

My question is: why does it matter that he could 1v4 against people who didn’t seem to know what they were doing? Is that the goal of balance, to make sure everyone can 1vX given particular skill levels?

This is another case of people focusing on some out of context point, claiming imbalance, and then siding with one another into a Red Rover-style band of brothers. Someone might challenge them, but they say “Look at us, the proof is in the pudding, Thieves are OP”, and discussion falls to trash because no one knows how to remove emotion from the equation and discuss the details to come to rational conclusions.

At this point, we have those who fly off the handle because a number looks high, and those who have been aggressively called OP to the point where they’re forced into the defensive. Even if Mr. Rogers came on these forums and, in the nicest way possible, proposed that many people probably aren’t as good as they think, there’d instantly be a strong reaction saying “Nah, you’re just OP, check out all of my brethren who agree”.

Conversation’s unfortunately going nowhere, and it bums me out.

My personal opinion that Thieves are a bit out of hand is based off of my personal experience playing the game. I had that opinion before I read this thread. You know, not everyone who thinks balance needs a bit of work are just terrible players, right?

@Bsquared

Agree completely, and that’s my issue. What other class can do this? 1v4 for 3 minutes?

evilapprentice.6379:

Logical Paradox.7946:

Sabbathius.1465:

OP,

You just have to stop and ask yourself one simple question: have you ever done that with any other class? If you haven’t, odds are Thief is OP regardless of how you may feel. Or the classes with which you couldn’t do what you did on the Thief are UP. Either way, it’s not balance.

This and more this. This is the one point in here that matters most. I’ve played every single class in the game in pvp: Bunker builds, condition builds, glass cannon builds all in an attempt to figure out my play style and what I liked best. Even as a bunker guardian, there is no way I could survive any reasonable duration of time against 4 players. When you, as a thief, can survive 4v1, you’re able to do something that no other class can even come close to. Doesn’t make a difference if you didn’t kill someone. You literally tied up an entire team for three minutes, which is more than enough time for your team to cap the other two points and then bring backup.

Then you’re not as good as you think you are. I don’t say that to antagonize you, but from what you’ve said and my own personal experience, its obvious. I’ve watched bunker engi’s dance around 3-4 players in GY in foefire on numerous occasions. I’ve also seen a guardian -easily- tank 3-4 players (of course, both those situations are somewhat build dependant). Not for 3 full minutes, but Mind you, these players knew what they were doing compared to the ones I described from my experience.

If you had bothered to read my post (or try to understand it), you’d notice that most of the time those 4 players weren’t doing anything, or were actively killing themselves. The entire point of the post, in fact, was to point out how from their perspective, I was unkillable in a 1 on 4, where it was more like a 1 on 1.5, seeing as how most of them had no idea what to do. The purpose was to show that when people come crying to the boards about ANY class, it should be taken with a grain of salt, because alot of the times these people don’t understand why hitting their big damage ability while I’m mid dodge might be a bad idea.

If your guardian was in a 4 on 1, and all 2 of the players did was try to shoot you through your reflect abilities, would you call that a 4 on 1?

So, because those 4 players were possibly the most terrible in all of GW2…Thief is in-line with other professions? Is that your logic?

@evilapprentice

I think you’re missing the point. Something is amiss with the Thief profession at this point in the games life, and it isn’t just a handful of players saying that. I’ve played stealth professions in every other MMO i’ve played…I broke from this tradition with GW2. As a person that has ALOT of high-end experience on stealth professions, Thief is a bit out of hand, in my opinion.

Sabbathius.1465:

OP,

You just have to stop and ask yourself one simple question: have you ever done that with any other class? If you haven’t, odds are Thief is OP regardless of how you may feel. Or the classes with which you couldn’t do what you did on the Thief are UP. Either way, it’s not balance.

I’ll venture a guess and say that he/she most likely has not. To be able to 1v4 in THIS game for a full 3 minutes means one of two things; the 4 players you’re 1v4ing are REMARKABLY bad, or…you’re on an OP class/build. And as I have actually played this game, I tend to go with the latter.

Ashanor.5319:

No point trying to post this here. Look at the responses you get. This forum is full of nothing but people who whine about other classes.

I suppose you COULD just say that anyone who contradicts your opinion is ‘whining’, but that’s a bit arrogant, wouldn’t you say? I have my opinion based off of having played the game, not reading the forums. Take from that what you’d like.

The Boz.2038:

An infantryman with a grenade can counter a tank. Theoretically. Doesn’t mean that a tank is balanced against an infantryman.

Yeah…but the guy in the tank will make the argument that it is balanced, LOL! At least on the internet!

evilapprentice.6379:

crewthief.8649:

evilapprentice.6379:

The Boz.2038:

Yeah, you ran into noobs, big whoop. Thief is still OP.

By all means, if you’d like to discuss, discuss. If you’re just going to lay out blanket statements with no backing, please don’t bother.

The evidence to his statement is littered throughout this forum and several others. If you’re honestly too biased to recognize that the stealth mechanic as a whole in GW2 is a bit out of hand…no amount of ‘proof’ on our point is going to dissuade you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacies

You go ahead and read that. Your post, and most of the posts on here, fall under one or more. If we were to listen to the boards, every single thief spec is broken (its no longer underskilled and underexperienced players crying about burst, bleed specs are now unstoppable too) and somehow ANet missed it. Literally, every single effective way to use a thief is so powerful it cannot be countered, and somehow ANET MISSED THAT ENTIRELY.

That just sound’s extremely believable to me, you know? </sarcasm>

Um…that isn’t what I said at all, even a little bit. I said ‘a bit out of hand’. And they are. And no, my opinion isn’t based on reading the forums…but having played the game. I very, very rarely post on these forums, maybe 10 since they opened? But Thief, without a doubt, is a bit out of hand. This isn’t my first MMO.

evilapprentice.6379:

The Boz.2038:

Yeah, you ran into noobs, big whoop. Thief is still OP.

By all means, if you’d like to discuss, discuss. If you’re just going to lay out blanket statements with no backing, please don’t bother.

The evidence to his statement is littered throughout this forum and several others. If you’re honestly too biased to recognize that the stealth mechanic as a whole in GW2 is a bit out of hand…no amount of ‘proof’ on our point is going to dissuade you.

It’s out of hand, and generally the only people in here arguing otherwise are Thief players. I’ve played alot of MMOs, and played stealth toons in those games…in GW2 I decided to go a different direction. I can honestly say, from the perspective of someone who has mained many stealth characters in past MMOs, Thieves in this game are unreal to me. On demand, mid-combat, near perma-stealth (primarily the mainhand pistol build). If I had rolled a Thief in GW2 as my main…LOL!

What’s up RLH. Was in Munshara on Gorfang with a few of you guys. And I remember your Sorc Noten. RvR is still new and shiny for alot of these guys. I say give the game a bit of time though man, i’m fairly certain they’ll improve on it quite a bit over time. The framework is in place for something very good in my opinion.

TransparentlyOpaque.1824:

The way people play games is just boggling. “I played 250-300 hours of this game, and I think it is not addictive” Its like they hooked up a feedbag and sit on a bed pan and just game away. Then after 3+ weeks of running through most of the games content, they say they are bored or the game is not “addictive”?

What you’re referring to is a ‘first-world problem’. Most of the REST of the world, have legitimate things to worry about. You got it pretty good when your biggest problem today is that you’ve burnt yourself out playing a video game.

mechasauce.1309:

What happened to the OP….got school…yeh thought so….

“hardcore gamers” are the same people that buy a game on day 1…blast through it..then jump on the forums complaining that its rubbish and does not cater to them.

ow wait…

+1

Let’s be honest though, informing yourself of a product before you buy it…is sort of, well, common sense, isn’t it? What if I went out and purchased a standard Xbox 360 and complained when I found out it didn’t have gameplay similar to a Wii? Would I have a credible complaint?

Nemmar.8491:

MainFrame.4803:

Why are people complaining SO HARD about things. What game is/was perfect upon launch? None. GW2 is not even a month old yet, so give ANet some time to work on it. I know, I know, you’re gonna hit me with the ol’ 1, 2 about how they should have had it refined before they released it. Again, what MMO, or even game, is COMPLETELY PERFECT upon release? You know the answer.

And one thing that kinda bothers me a bit, but I see the validity in it, is the people complaining about how there is nothing to do once you hit 80 and whatnot. I’ll admit that I have yet to get a character to 80, and there is a solid reason to that. A reason that, I think, can be an answer to the “boredom woes” of the current 80s: multiple story arcs. I’ve started multiple characters to experience the different stories the game provides and they’re all so fun to me that I can’t just focus on one. Granted the grinding to make level for the next plot line wears a little, but once you have a solid system for leveling it isn’t so bad. Point: start a new character and enjoy a new story. Remember that video games have a lot to do with the story behind them.

But most importantly above all, just have fun and stop complaining. Things will get fixed eventually…..or the game will just self-destruct….hoping for the former.

I guess you werent there when SWTOR came out. That game has technical issues and end-game was easy. People ran it to the ground despite it beeing a good RPG. Good combat and great storytelling. It still has plenty of subs and is set to make a comeback with F2P.

That game doesnt have its core broken and got ran violently by haters… Unfortunely GW2 has a broken core (the combat, the end game design, the dungeons, the unrewardness, the random loot, etc) so you can expect it will get alot worse.

This is your opinion. I played SWTOR, it is terrible and has a broken core, in my opinion. GW2 is levels of magnitude better than SWTOR.

Rock.7324:

Rush.8239:

i stopped reading when you said you are yet to hit 80

hit 80 then come back otherwise you don’t know what your talking about

So, I’m not supposed to enjoy the game before 80?

Are you reading what you’re writing?

Hey hush, he’s a ‘hardcore’ gamer…those are the kinds of things ‘hardcore’ gamers are supposed to write. Otherwise, other ‘hardcore’ gamers would come on to this forum, see his ‘un-hardcore’ response, and quickly chatise him in their ‘ultra-hardcore’ circle. In this example, hardcore = no real life outside the game.

Dgenerate.1948:

You dont get it. For most people complaining, it’s the core mechanics/gameplay that is lacking, not some small simple bugs. We are talking about major design flaws, which in it’s current state only a few people actually enjoy for an extended period of time.

Only a few? Care to site your sources?

Roga.3284:

It is all about $$$$ and liberals.
The mentality that everyone deserves something for free has permiated society and also gaming. Also, there are a lot of gamers these days that never played some of the old Nintendo/ atari titles which required you to beat them without any saves and a limited amount of lives.

Gaming has become for the casual at mind. A study of the phsycology of gamers determined that there were basicaly 4 types of gamers. 1 of those types is the “fiero” gamer who is only happy when they achieve beyond all odds a difficult task. Another type is the “casual” who seeks no reward other than the experience of the game. This is the most prevelant type of personality and therefor the largest consumer market.

Games will be designed for this market to increase profits.

Go figure, a company would produce a product that caters to the largest amount of people. Shocking isn’t it! And way to bring politics into a gaming forum man.

For those of you who are even contemplating defending the OP, go look up the definition of ‘addiction’ please. The fact that someone would play a game with the goal of getting ‘addicted’, is a stark commentary on where our society seems to be going nowadays. If you picked up this game with the intention of it fulfilling some void in your life…GW2 is not your problem.

Honestly, the idea that someone who has hours upon hours a day to play a videogame, should be catered to day and night, is becoming beyond tiresome. Grow up, get married, have a couple kids…and join the ranks of the ‘casuals’ I suppose. I.E. those of us who have a life outside of a game. There are a TON of games out there that cater to you ‘hardcore’ kids (though most of them have a pathetic number of players playing them), please go play one of those.