Guild Wars 2

Tanek.5983:

I thought the whole point of the loot fixes in the patch were so we would not have to all go for instant heavy damage builds to compete for drops.

This may be true, if so I was unaware until now. I was under the (mistaken?) impression that they upped loot drops, but that they didn’t lower the amount of dmg needed to get loot. Of course I may be mistaken.

Quick way for your friend to test is to run a fractal post patch and see if he is getting more loot. If not, see my original post.

He is doing it wrong. Izerker tags a decent AoE and can do lots of dmg if spec’d properly. Our shatters are AoE and also do lots of dmg if spec’d properly. Basically every 8-12 seconds he has the ability to tag lots of mobs with dmg.

I am guessing your friend uses a legion build, a condition build, a hybrid (ugh) build or some other suboptimal mob tagging, loot garnering build. As a friend it is your duty to advise him to do more AoE dmg. If he needs help with a build have him post here, or PM me.

Esplen.3940:

eqpablon.9072:

When I run across PVT mesmers in either build I absolutely dominate them while they tickle me with their dmg output.

When I run across you guys wearing zerker specced for phantasms or shattercat, I laugh as we tickle each other for days. I’m not PVT, but my build gives me survivability through boons for days. Unless we go underwater or get a third party to damage, the fights won’t end…

Sounds like a good PVE build

Swish.2463:

On average my Phantsasms don’t hit this hard unless you’ve built for a Glass cannon Mesmer.. and lets face it that’s what Half the MMO population loves to do… and most of the numbers you see for Izerker and such are due to multiple hits across multiple foes.

In combat with a Mesmer Phantasms are good Bust damage but often are on the field only for a very short while. These are each weapons Spike damage dealers (btw scepter doesn’t have a phantasm..) and are much more unreliable than a Warriors 100Blades.

Broken down:
Phantasms do Huge damage every once and a while, often miss or are killed after 1 or less attacks. Higher damage spread inconsistently spread out over minutes
Vs
Dps classes that do High bursts or medium busts consistently over minutes.

End result: Phantasms in a drawn out fight have lower Dps.

Note: Unless fighting another Glass cannon you will be in for a much longer battle than 1 or 2 shatters and a Phantasm hit. (My Mesmer kills your Glassy Shattercats every time just by surviving and drawing out the fight).

Phantasms do huge dmg every time if built and spec’d for it.

I change my build in WvW often. If I want to see consistent, huge numbers I go with a 30 30 0 0 10 build in full zerkers armor and jewelry. My izerkers consistently hit for 6.6k. In this build I have had iMage hit for 13k+ on targets that have tons of conditions on them.

The huge downside to the 30 30 0 0 10 is that it lacks survivability; however it will consistently hit like a truck. Shattercat is another build I will run; 20 20 0 0 30. This build is actually not full glass like most think. Because you have IP, and use a staff you actually have decent defensive capabilities. I don’t hit nearly as hard in the shattercat build, but I can have insane burst with sword 3/3 then sword 2, along with mindwrack.

When I run across PVT mesmers in either build I absolutely dominate them while they tickle me with their dmg output.

ITT button mashers rage

jportell.2197:

Confusion got nerfed in sPvP people seem to be forgetting that the reason they don’t nerf it in WvW is because it would ruin confusion in PvE. Now before people start griping about splitting WvW and PvE consider this. The whole reason that WvW has the server v server v server is that the match ups come from the server as a whole. PvP is its own separate server from the entire game… If they were to split WvW from PvE they would have to go through and split servers which would take way more time than anyone here realizes… Also any Mesmer that can reliably keep confusion on you above 3 stacks for the duration of a fight is a kitten good Mesmer. Whether they are a glamour mes or a scepter torch mes the confusion coming from being inside a glamour skill is a whopping ONE stack… The confusion from our shatters is hardly affected by condition dmg, and the confusion from our illusions inherits NONE of our condition dmg/duration… Now if it is a bunch of glamour mesmers destroying groups then that’s the whole purpose… Using group utility… Also ALL of mesmers “glamour skills” require the enemies to do something… Feedback? Okay stop using projectiles… Null field “qq I have no more boons” that’s pretty much it… They can get some good stacks from CoF into a group but there again. None of these stacks of confusion last more than a couple seconds.

Correction: Confusion got BUFFED for PvE.

Israel.7056:

eqpablon.9072:

It’s a discipline issue and a l2p issue. Period.

This isn’t a question of what you think, it’s a question of what the devs think. Period.

Also I’d say that confusion mesmer is not a hard counter to d/d ele because it’s not like a d/d ele can’t beat a single confusion mesmer.

The only time glamour mesmers really become troublesome is when there are several of them in a large encounter. It’s easy enough to avoid one feedback, one null field. It’s pretty tough to deal with six or ten of them being spread in overlapping patterns.

The cheese is in the zerg comp, not the small group comp.

Bunzy enjoys to play the 5v5 side of WvW. He likes to roam, and he posts videos of his guild doing this. They are actually quite good.

The issue, concerning Bunzy, isn’t Zerg v Zerg comp; as he clearly detests that side of the game. The issue for him is discipline and l2p. Period.

Bunzy is a D/D ele. Confusion mesmers are a hard counter to his build. D/D ele’s have frequent change of attunements, frequently use their skill bars; this is why confusion is deadly to them.

I am a Mesmer who runs either a shattercat build, or a glam confusion build. I can kill D/D ele’s in either build; BUT it is a heck of a lot easier to do so in a confusion build. D/D ele’s spam soo many buttons that they melt themselves to death.

It’s a discipline issue and a l2p issue. Period.

Was there anything else that has changed that “nerfed” a DD thief in WvW? Maybe they were getting on about some other change that affected DD thieves and I was just to dense to figure it out.

Howdy!

This discussion came up in my guild the other night. Several of our thiefs were complaining that they used to run DD, but now run other setups due to nerfs.

I asked what specifically was nerfed to DD and the response was CnD dmg was nerfed. I was puzzled so I looked up the patch notes. It appears that Nov 15 CnD dmg got nerfed 33% for PvP only.

Are the game notes wrong, did CnD get nerfed in WvW as well, or is this a case of ppl confusing WvW for PvP?

Thanks in advance

-Confused Mesmer (who ironically enough runs a confusion build)

You appear to do about 50% of glass cannon mesmer dmg, maybe a little more. Are you running PVT armor? You let us know your runes but not your armor.

While your dmg isn’t through the roof you do have a nice HP pool.

What level fractal are you playing? I think the current meta is actually go glass cannon at higher level fractals (30+) because there isn’t enough toughness and vitality in the world to face tank at that level.

The best defense at that level is to DPS stuff down quickly. I could be wrong tho, lets see what others have to say.

Actually, it kind of reminds me of when I would pin my younger brother down and make him hit himself with his fist. “Stop hitting yourself!”, lol.

As a Mesmer I sometimes run a glamour confusion build (AoE confusion). I can reliably stack 4-6 stacks on a Zerg every 40 seconds or so. Yes glamour cooldowns are that long.
What I find is that inexperienced players blow themselves up, while experienced players either remove conditions or disengage for the whole 5 seconds that confusion lasts.

AoE confusion is good at Zerg busting, and downing the new kids in wvw.

Hmmm, for me it had no effect on Scepter 3 or f2. I’ll post pics tomorrow.

It appears that the trait “Master of Misdirection” (illusion trait 5) isn’t working. It is supposed to add 33% duration to confusion you inflict; however it adds nothing. Can anyone else confirm?

Check your f2 skill, i bet it only lasts for 5 seconds. Let me know how long your CoF lasts

Hello! I am an Infantryman in the Army. If that doesn’t qualify as manly, I don’t know what does. I LOVE LOVE LOVE this weapon! Nothing would bring me more satisfaction than to mow down people in WvW in the most emasculating fashion possible; via rainbow farting unicorns.

Serious request, can you guys make one of the underwater legendary weapons shoot pink dolphins? I’d grind for some hot pink dolphin action. Who wouldn’t?

I would reccomend Rune of the Undead for the additional condition dmg and toughness. I would also reccomend corruption sigil for a weapon to add more condition damage. Once you get around 1800ish condi dmg your confusion will do 400 dmg per stack, and it’s easy to get at least 6-10 stacks on groups of ppl.

Food=Rare Veggie Pizza.

RisingPhoenix.3714:

Why defend shatters though? There are at least three other builds that provide substantial DPS – condition spamming, mantra burst damage, and leaving up phantasms. Why do you need a fourth, especially when each shatter type is really just a duplicate of one of the half-formed ideas represented by the others? Why defend the DPS mechanism that is also the most complicated, even impossible, to balance (i.e. how precisely does blowing up the phantasms after their attacks result in peak damage, versus spamming clones, versus letting opponents kill clones to sustain other DPS)? By defending that element of Mesmers, they have become a target for the PVP communities to whine about endlessly because most of those people don’t get how much of the shatter damage mechanic is driven by player skill.

Grade A trolling…

Myst.4926:

Eyanthina.6824

OK in response to this thread regarding what Dred or Nytemyst posted. PRO is NOT and I REPEAT NOT transferring servers, OUR GUILD IS STAYING ON Devonas. This post by Dred last night was a practical joke or early April fools prank that he felt was going to be amusing. For anyone who has witnessed Dreds forum posting habits you know he is full of hot air most of the time and that he shouldn’t be taken too seriously with many things.
PRO is on DR to stay, and if it wasn’t I would not have spent so much time trying to build an alliance with other DR guilds, don’t take the words of one player to stand for the consensus of our entire guild.
Eyanthina [PRO] Officer!

Can you explain why there are Protocol [PRO] as well as [GASM] folks on Dragonbrand now? When I whispered one of them, I believe the name was Scottsomething, he stated that PRO was moving to DB. I thought you all were all high and mighty about staying on DR. Especially since you all flamed the heck out of Drednyte.

I’ll admit, Drednyte is vocal about a lot in forums and mapchat, even if we dont want to hear it, but the man is at least open and honest about what he wants to say. You all seem to be saying one thing, then slinking off behind everyone’s back and doing another.

I had some respect for PRO and what it did for DR, but I now I think this “new” PRO after Drednyte left pretty much dropped into the gutters.

Drednyte, if you read this, we dont see eye to eye and I hate your forum trolls! But I’ll give you the respect on being honest and upfront. And you put up a heck of a fight on the field. Shame you left PRO, and i heard how they waited until you went offline to demote you like the backstabbers this “new” PRO obvious are. At least when you was at the head it was an honorable, albet hated, guild. Tell Phyz if he comes back his ole nemesis Myst/Ghost said hello and we all miss him.

To the “new” PRO, you should really think about renaming your guild. PRO has had a long and distinguished reputation, but you all are dragging it down into the mud fast. I vote let Drednyte lead and help you fix what you all have obvious broken. (But dangit Dred, stay outta forums!)

Devils Advocate:

Paid transfers are about to happen. This means mass xfers of Oceanic guilds, or any guild really, is about to cease. What a server needs to be competitive is a decent Oceanic presence. That Oceanic presence is one piece, probably the largest piece, missing from DR right now.

With that in mind, if you were leading a guild devoted to competitive WvW, would you honestly try to persuade your guild to stay on a server that will never be competitive due to its lack of Oceanic players? If you can honestly answer “YES” then you simply have a difference of opinion with PRO, that is all.

Losing respect for a guild over a difference of opinion says more about your character than anything else.

Paid transfers change everything, failing to recognize that can literally kill a guild that wants to be on a competitive server. You can see how paid transfers will make it extremely difficult to build DR into a stronger server now can’t you?

[ninja edit] LOL, Myst = Dred. It is INCREDIBLY sad that you are posting on your alt account. Just a heads up, Drednyte is the Mesmer, Nytemyst is the Elemental. Dred had 2 accounts and he just starting posting on Myst to support himself. Weak sauce dude. It’s cool, I’ll make sure to inform your buddy iRaven. I warned him about you…

So wait, if mesmers are required for 5v5 then it’s safe to assume both teams have a mesmer right? If both teams have access to time warp how is this game breaking. Apparently every team has access to this ability….

Sumwun.3846:

Eyanthina.6824:

In response to the typical flamers or people who just like to stir stuff up for the sake of their amusement, this flaming gets old very fast.

In response to people ripping on Dred, although he spends time on forums a lot and abrasiveness towards others tends to affect his communication he does not do it to cause harm or be malicious. Dred simply wants what all DR wants with respect to us as a server and the several guilds on it to coordinate and work together better, he has difficulty in expressing it because he has an acute understanding of Wv3 and feels strongly about it.

As a pro officer I disagree with trolling forums in general which is why you rarely see me post in these things, but I add on behalf of my entire guild that the face of PRO on borderlands is seldom that which you see on a forum, we have several good leaders who communicate with others respectfully, who can lead by example, who can get positive results and work with many DR guilds and also random players respectively.

Any commander will know that leading in a map can be very stressful when things dont work out or people make a mess of a strategy it can be very frustrating, some of us manage this better than others.

I have seen many viewpoints expressed here but perhaps above all the one I am about to make should be taken more seriously by everyone, Treat others the way you wish to be treated! its as simple as that. I know for my guild we try our best as a majority to treat others on our server and also our enemies with respect, while not all of us might always be this way do not let a few people who might feel stressed out or upset reflect poorly on PRO as a guild overall.

Try not to report this till you read it. If you are actually trying to help the server then there are some lessons you need here. Try reading as a concerned realm mate and not someone attempting to shield their ego.

So, when you and Dred are ripping on people in map chat, throwing around insults, and screaming like lunatics , are you treating people how you want to be treated? If so, then the flaming and the hate is something you have worked for.

I see lots of excuses for the behavior that comes from your tag. Lot’s and Lot’s of excuses. Dred is the king of flippnig excuses when he lacks the perfection he likes to portray. So, what are you doing to fix how your guild is being viewed by the server? How are you trying to save a little face? It’s bothersome that we are stuck on a server together and your group cant get it together enough to show some respect to the other people on the same server. It makes it hard to understand how you can even try to pretend to care about the server when you talk to its populous like they are beneath you. Too Many Excuses.

From the rantings I have seen from You and Dred, I feel conflicted. I see the point and the argument but you suck at talking to people. Why do I want to even deal with you or him out there? Yep Zerging is a losing formula. If you are serious about staying and working on this server, getting away from zerging, you need to learn how to deal with people. you will never get the numbers you need talking how you talk.

Can you not imagine that while you are ranting that people are simply wishing you would shut up? Can you not imagine that if people are getting sick of you that they are prolly ignoring you? Can you not imagine that people will spite you if you kitten them off enough? I have seen this first hand. It disgusted me too, but I have literally seen people do the opposite of what you are trying to get them to do because they are sick of you. I’m not kidding. I couldn’t believe it. I think it was actually my breaking point.

this is what you are getting for reaction out there. You need to care about more than PRO and talking about PRO and being about PRO. You need to be about the server if you really want to change something. You can not yield results talking like that.

This is prolly going to sound insane, but you two have never spoken to me like this. I am not here because it’s all about me. I’m here for the people I watch this happen to. It’s unnecessary

That’s WoW mentality. This game is built around teamwork, it rewards you for it. ANet did an insane job of making a game that got people to work together instead of trying to screw each other over.

You boys have some adjusting to make, imo.

Just want to state that I have never seen Eyanthina “rip” on anyone in map chat, ever. Also, he’s posted here twice…. so he is hardly ranting all the time.

Finally, for a post criticizing how Dred and Eyan talk to people, you seem to not be the best at diplomacy either. This makes it hard to take your argument seriously.

Balidore.2790:

I think the real issue is…. Blinding. Thieves actually have to have a degree of skill to Cloak and Dagger, also, u can hit them.
What’s happening in this video, is the same issue I see all the time. He’s only stealthing a little bit, but he’s blinding you. The person who applies the blind, you can’t see. The blind is an aoe too, it takes no skill once so ever to apply, and their’s no cooldown on it, they can use it all day long.
I see lots of people confuse stealth with blind. Thieves can’t stealth forever, but they can blind forever.

I always thought blindness simply caused the targets next attack to miss. I’ve been blinded several times. I can still see my attacker but my next attack misses.

Good job so far Ferg, nice to see you guys pushing hard

Sooo, about that respect for DR that a certain someone promised…..

Braxxis.7062:

Sirenic.4275:

PRO doing what they do best according to kains. :o

Taking Borderlands maps while the majority of Kaineng’s WvW players are either sleeping or at work?

Or dancing in front of doors while you take them uncontested?

YeS!

The Coma Kid.5184:

Wow, DR, stop calling exploit on everything. You guys are getting beat by tactics that have been used in top tier servers for a while. Thieves aren’t a problem if everybody does listen and actually stacks and uses AOE. As for the invulnerable, don’t chase them when they are in their invulnerable zone, even if the limits aren’t set right.

Point is everybody just get along, when you see something you haven’t before? Learn to counter it, use it back at them, then develop your own strategies. Now, lets all hold hands in a circle and start singing “Why can’t we be friends!”

It’s called an exploit, we are calling it what it is called…

Zats.2308:

it was no rendering bug. You had atleast 30 there and there were only about 3-5 thieves there until the mass came. They were smart and used their stealth skills on each other and to just run around you guys. Learn to AoE and stop complaining when you can not take a camp from 3 people when you have atleast 30 there

You realize how silly this sounds right? There were 30 of us, AoE’ing, and we couldn’t flush you out because we couldn’t see you. It’s clearly a rendering issue, if it wasn’t we would have spotted you, locked you down, and f stomped you.

thenoobler.7540:

eqpablon.9072:

Neal.Cafferty-
You have a thief that was intentionally abusing the rendering bug. You are doing it as I am posting at the Bluevale Supply Camp in the DR BL. To be clear, it wasn’t just you; however you were the only one I had time to click on and report.

Do you really need to abuse the stealth rendering issue to keep us from capping the supply camp? I thought you guys were JAWESOME and could take us head on?

Oh look anoher hack accusation when someone loses a fight.

Alot of tin foil hats in this thread, and they all seem to be coming from DR.

Just to clarify, this isn’t hacking. It’s abusing a known bug. Concerning your other point about losing a fight… we now have everything on our map because they used all their ppl to cap one point. It actually benefitted us.

I simply found it entertaining that one of the largest mouthpieces in this thread was abusing a rendering bug. GG

While you guys spent all your resources abusing rendering issues so you could cap one camp, we went on ahead and grabbed everything else.

We are now outscoring you in points. The gap is going to start to close

Our thieves would of been successful in holding the camp regardless of rendering bug or not. Your lack of coordination in the supply camp was easy to take advantage of. The easy counter is to stack up and spam aoe’s… Throw some all caps in Map/Team chat and get people to stack up on your commander.

First, Bluevale has a rather large cap ring. We had 30ish ppl in that area spamming AoE’s and it took us 5 minutes of constant AoEing to flush 3 (one of whom was you) out. That was enough time for you guys to assault that camp multiple times. We wiped you several times, although after about 10 minutes of fighting you guys did retake the camp.

Here is the thing, you had multiple thieves abusing the rendering issue. It certainly looked like you were co-ordinating this abuse of rendering. When all the thieves that we flushed out were a part of your alliance, it makes it look like you guys intentionally abused the rendering bug to keep us from capping.

For the first 3-5 minutes it was just the thieves keeping us from capping, and we had 30ish ppl. If you guys rendered properly you would have been f stomped and the camp would have been ours.

Neal.Cafferty-
You have a thief that was intentionally abusing the rendering bug. You are doing it as I am posting at the Bluevale Supply Camp in the DR BL. To be clear, it wasn’t just you; however you were the only one I had time to click on and report.

Do you really need to abuse the stealth rendering issue to keep us from capping the supply camp? I thought you guys were JAWESOME and could take us head on?

Currently the only maps GoM owns anything on would be its own map, and EB. We don’t own much on our own map. We got doubled all night there. We have been completely pushed off SoR and YB; again double teamed. Apparently YB and SoR are ignoring EB, because we have Stonemist.

I just left SoRs map. We spawn in the bottom right, we owned nothing when my guild ported in. We took supply in the bottom right of the map (forget the name), and went up to take the tower just north of our spawn. We got sandwiched by SoR and EB. At one point SoR actually ran past EB and didn’t attack them at all.

Is there some “lets group up and double GoM” threads on reddit or somewhere else? Seriously.

Oh, SoR, it would be immensely helpful if you stopped pushing GoM and started pushing EB, they have all 3 orbs. You guys are constantly pushing our way, instead of the direction of the orb. It’s mind boggling.

GoM is getting doubled on our home map. Meanwhile YB has 3 orbs…. Good job assisting with the double team SR….

Scorpio Shirica.1286:

eqpablon.9072:

We (GoM and the guild PRO) just took all 3 orbs, legitimately as well might I add. Cry hacks now. You are getting stomped legitimately.

Actually, I am not. I’m from Tarnished Coast. Look at our current score and in the ladder rankings, then compare.

I was only stating an observation from when Tarnished Coast fought Gates of Madness. And it didn’t help GoM at all, the whole server got wrecked because of the 3 borderland hack bringing a lot of poor publicity to the server.

And instead of getting so defensive, realize I stated that it wasn’t GoM’s problem, it was something that has to be dealt with by Anet. I only mentioned that observation because it’s also reasonable for entire servers to blame all of GoM due to the coincidences that have been observed.

Correlation does not mean causation, however it is implied

Just a heads up, if you are going to post observations from old match ups you need to make that clear. In your original post you make no mention of the fact that you were commenting on an older match; hence anyone reading it will infer that you are indeed talking about this weeks match.

In the match up against you guys, yes I did witness fly hacking. Know what we did? We got everyone out of the forts the ill-gotten orbs were residing in so that the rightful owners could retake them. It took awhile to co-ordinate, but we did accomplish that.

The vast majority of GoM’s WvW population are honest, and willing to make things right. Your assertion that we co-ordinate with our hackers is ridiculous. We co-ordinate to give you the orbs back. To insinuate that a guild is somehow connected demonstrates a reckless disregard for anything factual. Quoting your OP below.

Scorpio Shirica.1286:

I noticed PRO and some coincidental GoM zergs on the Orb respawn rate as soon as the orbs were hacked, funny it happened on all three Borderlands within just a few minutes. While it may not be the majority of their server, it sure kitten off my server enough to blindly focus on them at the expense of our other fronts in many battles.

I feel bad for GoM, but as long as so many people coordinate to use hacks, I can’t see it being easy to rebuild their reputation until Anet really counters the hacking problem.

Scorpio Shirica.1286:

I noticed PRO and some coincidental GoM zergs on the Orb respawn rate as soon as the orbs were hacked, funny it happened on all three Borderlands within just a few minutes. While it may not be the majority of their server, it sure kitten off my server enough to blindly focus on them at the expense of our other fronts in many battles.

I feel bad for GoM, but as long as so many people coordinate to use hacks, I can’t see it being easy to rebuild their reputation until Anet really counters the hacking problem.

We (GoM and the guild PRO) just took all 3 orbs, legitimately as well might I add. Cry hacks now. You are getting stomped legitimately.

Thanks for the heads up fatboy. I was geniunely curious if it was foul play or a bug. Since its a bug I can honestly say I’ve seen 0 hacking for this matchup when I’ve been in WvW

The entire time I was on yesterday we only had at most 1 orb. I was on from about 2pm CST until about 1am. In that time we lost the orb we had in the GoM home map. Our keep wasn’t taken, the orb altar was intact, and no one in the orb room was aggro’d. That orb found its way to the SF server. and they had 2 orbs, ON THE SAME MAP.

Today I logged in around noon CST and we had our orb back in GoM and we fought,and legitimately won the orb in SF’s map. The only thing I’ve seen that could be hacking happened on SF by SF players. It might have just been a map glitch where my whole guild saw an extra orb on the map, as it flew to EH; which already had an orb.

None of the potential hacking I have seen has come from GoM. I’ve seen ppl on the server do it in the past two match ups. GoM has always rallied to give those orbs back to their rightful owners too. However this week I can honestly say I haven’t seen any wrong doing from our server.

I’ve been doing ALOT of WvW the last few days, not once have I seen any hacks. While on SF I did see that they somehow had 2 orbs on their map. This happened after we lost our one orb, w/o the keep being taken, w/o the altar being destroyed. Suddenly after we lose our orb bonus we see our orb fly across the screen on the SF server…

I don’t know if someone on SF was hacking or if my entire guilds map was bugged, but it does seem odd that SF had 2 orbs on their home map. The only thing close to hacking I’ve seen has come from the last place team. Ebay and GoM seem to be legit tho.

My whole guild is complaining about this. I too am having rendering issues. running a 7970 with the drivers that came with the card (i know, i know).

I was WvW’ing when the servers came down for patch and was rendering fine. Now i am hitting tab all the time just to see a red arrow over an invisible foe