It would be very nice, mainly for charr rangers, melting the iron legion technology with some nature taming. I would definitly make a ranger if rifle or double pistol are a thing. But rangers already seems to have a lot of range weapons for now so…
You need to understand that revenant is NOT ritualist. In fact he is, mechanicly, more suited with the Dervish playstyle. Revenant just share some ritualistic lore. I want just to say that we need to go away to the “human meta” thing. There is a lot of important people that is not human and who can be legends! Why not channel Kunavang? Why not channel some Mursaat? Or, more recently, why can we channel Scarlet Briar (we miss some vilains in the legends)?
But, more important, and before thinking about elite spec, we must see that Anet has something to care with the revenant, patching the numerous bugs we have since one HOT release (vengefull hammers, phase travel, coalescence…) and balance core revenant.
The problem with condi rev is that Mallyx had just a half rework. They changed the legend skills but didn’t change the traitlines.
Original condi Mallyx was amazing. Pretty strong, with a higher risk but also a higher reward. Then they changed it because for them the mechanic of giving conditions to youself to make you stronger was a necro thing. So they rushed and slapped a half rework and called it done. And what we have now is this…thing.Just bring the old Mallyx back and give rev a ranged condi weapon option and you’ll see that they could be as good as any other class.
I was assuming that we are keeping the new Mallyx rework in my assessment, but that could be cool… but I agree with the developers here… self condi’s is a necro thing.
And retribution a guardian thing but Jailis have it (well just a bit..) legends have an identity normaly, and a different playstyle. When they have designed the revenant they have said they would do something versatile like elementalist. We are far from it, pigeonholed in power build and Glint stance. Jailis isn’t tanky, Mallyx was butchered from last minute and ventari feel clunky. We have just two legends that work and Shiro isn’t really a pve legend…
Now more than one year after the release of the class, the same glitchs are here and the legends haven’t be reworked. I’m pretty pesimistic about the future of the class. It’s like they have understand that the class would be difficult to balance or create and have leaved her alone in one dark corner (after all the guy who created it has gone to others things just after HOT release).
Well even if they are lazy and don’t want to rework the class now they will have no choice with the next elite spec i guess… Coz when we see how Glint is essential for the revenant i have difficulties to imagine myself another elite spec being as essential (and it won’t be a good thing). So maybe finally a proper (and a finishing) of the class when next expansion come out? We can dream after all but i admit i’m afraid that they stand lazy and don’t do nothing but another “core” elite spec without even touching the base revenant class.
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Rev would probably be my main if not for the overwhelming feeling that this profession isn’t anywhere near as polished as literally all the others. Still kinda feels like rev is in beta. As soon as the next elite spec is out, and if base rev doesn’t improve, the profession is gonna fall apart due to it’s current reliance on herald to make it viable let alone relevant in every game mode. That’s my opinion anyways.
Yep i changed main because of that. Revenant is not finished already and really quite boring in PVE mode coz the utilities skills you have with legends don’t seems great in pve (some legends like Jailis or Mallyx have skills that are useless in both pvp and pve) but in pvp, due to Brill and shiro, the only two legends that are correct you can be viable class, but without that, and without elite spec (being a boon bot is terribly borring but you can’t really play without it) you are completly useless. I feel like the dev have ideas but don’t have finished them enough. Maybe a second set of utilities, designed more for pve for exemple, for each legend would give more choice and more viability to revenant? Right now the only utilities that are usable in both pvp and pve seems to be the facets of Glint.
And don’t speak about Mallyx who have been redisigned in the last minute and still have to be a condition eater when he is now a condition dealer (what’s the point of pain absorption anymore?)
Well base revenant is terribly underwelming and i dunno how they can build another elite spec without redisign properly the core class. But well, more than one year after the class release nothing has changed so i’m quite pessimist about the future of the class.
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That’s actually where the revenant has problem. The idea behind having utilities related to legends are nice but they have only 5 and can’t be changed. That cause some problems in pve/pvp balance (i feel the revenant extremely boring in pve and you don’t seems to have great utilities usable in pve). The more simple to me would be to add a second set of utilities for each legend. Like this you can choose beetween 10 utilities for adapt to pve or pvp and have a greater versability.
Right now outisde of pvp you have nothing but boon bot glint and spam weapons skills. Utilities skills are useless for the most part and the class in general feel kinda unfinished.
Such a pity than one year after the release of the classe revenant still full of glitches and have the feeling of a beta class.
Maybe i would come back to revenant one day but i’m don’t sure the class would be better one day. They have goods ideas but the class, like the expansion, was rushed and they don’t seems to want improvements on revenant.
What did you expect? It was sure. They haven’t give the half of the content they have promised for HOT. And with more hurry stuff like WvW update or LS3 revenant is not getting improvment since 2 years at better.
Maybe Anet need to suspend nex extension undefinitly and focuse more on what they promise us for HOT: legendaries, fractals, wvw, living season 3,( and i’m really hoping they are doing to do better than HOT story which is the worse even see), core balance pvp…
I don’t really a big amateur of legendaries but being take for a sheep really make me all of me. Look at gw1 expansion and now look at HOT expansion. The comparison is stunning.
I am no more going to buy an expansion(and neither gem store money grab) for this game if it’s not going to change and we don’t going to have real content in it.
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Overall yes, just like our forum rev seems to be dead. Im not surprised tho, how long you can really run the same weapons and utility skills while being bugged as kitten at same time?
Yes. I have always shared your opinion on revenant Burtnik. The revenant is broken and pretty boring (only 3 legends usable and ower best legend is boonbot). That’s why i have moved on other class and knowing the LOOOOOONG time anet put to rework things revenant still not being a complete class till one year at best. I think this, with the hard nerf of the shield make people leave the class. I mean every other class is actually more dynamic or fun than a revenant.
Hi guys!
Well i’m just here for answering you something, that make some time that i see very little revenants and that’s a huge change with the release of the expansion where revenant where everywhere. Are you seeing far less revenants in yours servors too?
Are you goint to justify this fact by the fact that revenant isn’t a finished class and seems odd with some legends and traitlines? (i stopped playing revenant myself when i realise that the class is broken and that we can have a lot more fun playing an elementalist or an engineer)
What are you thinking of the actual situation of the class?
I just want to precise that i have nothing against Karl and balance team personnaly. I’m pretty sure they are nice guys in real life. But they don’t know how to balance things or they don’t even play gw2 that’s pretty sure.
Don’t speaking about inspiration of the elite specs (that’s another topic) but it’s clear that the “elite” specs which was designed for being an alternative playstile are actually a must have don’t balancing or tweeking the core classe, thing that some classes need (specially heavy ones) i like the idea but in game it’s pretty horrible, you are forced to play the new way elite spec bring. And that is kittening horrible! At least if they can’t balance core classes well i hope they can make elite specs less powerfull or bringing less utility to be able to compete with core and bring an ALTERNATIVE playstyle.
I don’t have need this advice for knowing that Roy isn’t more the revenant dev,leaving the class in the hands of balance team that only know to increase damage by 5% and decreases multiplicators.. Hopefully i have changed main class in time.
Revenant is going to still a beta class for years. Have fun!
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It depend. I was against rifle some times ago (coz of ritualist being spiritual/magic in nature). But thinking about the possibility of summoning Scarlet it would be a very nice addition. When we think about it she is clearly a better candidate than Eir who have just failled to kill kralkatorik or Traherne who has just lead the pact. Scarlet really has killed a ton of people, have made really fantastic mechanical inventions and have let a mark in Tyria for long time.
But yes, it need to be 900 range coz we have already hammer for very long range (1200).
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Why is needed to have another race? Five is not enough? We’re not in WOW with 16 races guys! The five races are the more powerful races of tyria. How can they add another when only five race are the more powerfull and more impactfull in all tyria? Tengu is just a minority race and isolationist. It would give a kitten to lore to make them playable.
Well HOT clearly don’t worth 50 bucks. The lack of content is pretty shocking! This need to be a lesson for next expansion! Things that would make a good expansion for the more amount of people is:
-Better marketing strategy (announcing HOT 1 years before the release and rushing it for release it at time was STUPID and that’s make a expansion full of glitches during 1 month after the realease. TAKE THE TIME PLEASE!)
-More maps (3 clearly is not enough (the fourth is a big meta event) and, even if the map are big and awesome, there are clearly not numerous enough. We need at last 6 or 7 new maps as big as HOT ones)
-More content (more fractal, dungeons,raids… HOT is pretty quick finish. We only have raids and even farm in circle… not really fun)
-New elite spec for sure but real balance beetween core and elite spec would be NEEDED too (no more pay to win!!!!)
- More weapons and armors! With HOT we only have four sets of armors that’s really not enough! Give us at least the triple!
-More world bosses
-LESS RUSHED STORY and more LONG personnal story( HOT personnal story was absolutly rushed. We know nothing about nothing: Rytlock in mists, nature of the link between sylvaris and mordremoth…. The mouth of mordremoth is kittening amazing but mordremoth in personnal story is kinda meh… Make a more epic battle please! You even don’t need to give it instancied, make an ancestral dragon world boss like mouth of mordremoth to kill for completing personnal story)
-If underwater expansion (for fighting Bubbles) give us an Enhanced underwater combat! Give it some love!
-Keep the difficulty of HOT zones (at last that was a good thing)
IF we already have that that could worth 50 dollars. But if not that’s clearly not enough (HOT worth no more than 25 dollars for me and i’m generous when we know that we can have the full core game with more than 20 maps for less than 20 dollars. Giving 50 dollars, price of an entire game (look at the witcher 3 with more than 80h of durability) for 4 maps it’s just a kitten!)
Edit: Personnaly i don’t give a kitten about new races and i don’t see how tengus can be added without giving a kitten to the story of the game. We don’t need 3904 races like in WOW
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I actually love the marketing direction of arenanet. Making “pro” season with 100 000 dollars to the winner seems more important than to invest this amount in the game for enhance it. And for sure, all that this "pro players’ are doing are the right, the only way that we all must follow. Definitly not for me!
Talking about revenant now. I think the problem is that it’s a class quite difficult to balance well. You have only one set of utilities per legend, this set must be balanced in pve but be usefull in pvp aswell. The two healing spells and the switching of the role and utilities in fight make the class difficult to be balance well (that’s what i think). Some of the legends are really good and strong (anyone saying Glint?) but others are useless in every state of the game. But even with that the revenant still a beta class, stuck with 2 legends (and herald mandatory) and having useless legends and traitline and glitches too. The real problem here is that revenant has a cool concept, really. But the game designer who have made it has gone, letting the class in a beta state far far away from a balanced class. Revenant actually need fixes, traitlines rework and utilities rework and is, by far, the class that need the more amount of attention and work to be finished. (Even if we know that warrior has some problems since HOT too)
Would love something more complete, a new specialization based on healing and with main hand complimenting well with shield for a bunky healing role: medic!
I have always loved the medical kit but it’s soo useless… Maybe with a healing spec we can make him shine.
Numerous changes are interesting and good. Even if i don’t love rifle in a spiritual theme is seems to be quite interesting (even if it have two of the same skills that spear has). But i’m a bit worried about it. We all know that revenant need a big rework but we know too that anet are don’t going to do it so… we need to be really hopefull.
For me precision strike must be a body skill not a range skill too. I mean Shiro is a kittening assassin, he deliver quick strikes with sword and we have a skill that throw daggers from a sword? What?! Meh….
There are many nice Builds without Glint, it’s not necessary. You will get to the point at duells for example where you use shiro 90% of the time.
Mobility? Yea, one stunbreaker. Wow.
Survival? Yea, one easily interruptable Heal, and protection if you want to use all your energy, lel.
Damage? yep, if youre not alone. Alone its mediocre at the same level with other classes.
Glint, more pure dmg than shiro? nah.
Spamming weaponskills? Yea if you switch stances constantly, using glints skills only isnt very effective.
And Glints skills DO need energy. Facets? Ever heard of? Theyre up most of the time if you want to provide buffs to your party, the more buffs the less weaponskills can be used.
When i said “no energy cost” it was because actually facet are really cheap compared to others legend utilities which consume pure energy. The upkeep cost make them really easy to manage and the upkeep cost is really week. You can hold 3 facet without a single lost of energy.
That’s give you more energy to use with your weapon’s skills. Making bigger dammage indirectly.
Ps warrior is better at might stacks.
Hammer guard is better at protection application AND does 5k higher personal dps
You can maintain aclarity with sigil of concentration and runes of Chronomancers with the help of a DH In the group.Hence why I’m worried about revs
1. Alacrity is not a boon. It’s also been nerfed to 33% (see mesmer forums for all the complaints)
2. This thread , like many others on all the profession forums (not just revenant) , is super dramatic : unlike other professions unless you started with Heart of Thorns then revenant was not always your main character
3. Hammer guardian is not common compared to GS because it has a slow attack chain , guardian forums want it buffed
4. Perma fury is nothing to sneeze at ; roiling mists makes it so that a revenant can slot Valkyrie over Berserker’s
5. Herald stacking still gives additional might stacks even if you won’t get extra fury /swiftness/regen.
6. Heralds have hardening persistence ( + 40 armor per upkeep) as well so that means they can afford to put in more offensive gear yet remain more tanky than an equivalent specced warrior or guardian
7. For your Sabetha dps meter example, you did not specify what the revenant and hammer guardian were running and the party composition
7b. Eles and Thieves (in particular) deserve to be the highest DPS since they are the most fragile
8. The complaining and moaning about hammer nerf is unjustified, arenanet says the 0.5 second “cooldown” on damage from multiple revenants is an unintended bug
Instead of complaining about the “sky is falling” you ought to highlight what you feel is broken / needs fixing. See https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Revenant-bug-list
I read through your list so now read through mine.
1. Why in the world do you think Ele and Theif deserve to the best DPS? I am actually curious. Because with that logic, D/D ele should never have been the tankiest class in the game for nearly a year.
2. Through all your points you fail to mention what the point of a revenant is. Because ANET doesn’t seem to know either. They nerf the two most used elites with out even adjusting the most unused one. I know crazy to think they’d BALANCE the class in a balance patch
3. Please post to the threads you are referencing. I’d love to read other classes complaints to get a better perspective. I can’t seem to find them.
4. My main was a revenant. I since quit the game because I got sick and tired of over nerfs & over buffs. I used to main as a Guardian, before that a Ranger. In all honesty my faith in ANET’s balancing skills are at all time low. A person with only 1 hour of playing time could see these patch notes as a disaster. (I’d know because the person I convinced playing; stopped when he saw the preview notes).
5. You can call threads like these super dramatic, but ANET is bleeding players.
TL : DR? Honestly doesn’t matter GG Anet
Actually it’s not super dramatic it’s reality. Look about the state of guardian (spirit weapons untouched since 2 years, loosing tomes of valor and wisdom, “elite” specialization is a copy/paste of a ranger playstyle…) look about the state of warrior, they have been balancing it since 3 years. Some months before HOT the class finally become balanced but now there is released to trash tier and actually NEED talents changes to be balanced again (but the balance team only know to nerf by 10% and up by 5% things). Look at revenant state now, the last class which have been rushed for marketing purpose of releasing HOT in time. The class is full of glitches, only have 2 legends usable and is stuck in glint’s stance, making the class a big autoattacker class (kinda dynamic playstyle isn’t it?). Revenant is clearly in beta state and you put faith in balance team to change legend’s skills and talents traitlines? (yeah coz Roy has go if you don’t know) If you do you clearly are an highly optimistic guy.
Yeah. Glint is by far superior to other legends we have. She can be tanky (thanks to facet of light, facet of darkness blind, facet of chaos protection and the use of shield) more than Jailis have never been. She provide strong boon support, have acces to an aoe, is the unique form to the revenant to have an improvement to base travel speed and her skills cost 0 energy. When others utilities of other legends cost utilities, making a management with weapons skills use and utilities, with glint you can spam your weapons’ skills if you’re doing good, providing by the fact, much more damage than every other legend.
Glint is the only legend we need for now, and she is the only fact that make revenant viable for now (other legends are trash and full of glitches, look at PT on shiro stance for exemple)
I love your ideas Burtnik. Can you share your thoughts about retribution and salvation rework too?
I hope this topic is not going to fall in oblivion coz, unafortunatly, revenant need numerous changes in traitlines and utilities skills. But i’m really starting to think that they hate heavy armor class in this game. Guardians, warriors and revenant need, all three, changes and reworking.
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Engineer is designed by the charrs for the charrs. They actually contribute by 70% of the pact technology and they make the better warriors (norns are better in pure strenght but the charrs are more numerous, disciplined and prepared for the battle) when asura actually don’t create new things (and they have not battle enginery, that charrs have created) they only enhance things with magic for plasma use or ray shoot. Even if technology seems to have a place in asura civilization, actually there is more place for magic and enhancement to technologies, than created new one or battle technology. I think engineer theme will remain charr. And, with it, you have actually more choices of specializations. Look at the weapons that the charrs made (vapor, machined) you actually could make them more warrior like (thing that is justified coz iron legion have a lot of heavy armor warriors/engineer (like smodur himself coz engineer was first designed to be heavy armor class). Charr’s theme are make for battle enginery and i think it will remain with other specialization that can wear… all weapons actually mixing them with a battle enginery theme that the engineer actually is.
You sum up good. But i’m afraid that revenant is now in the only hands of balance team… See the state of guardian or warrior. Revenant are gonna be the same i’m afraid. The only thing they know is nerf by 10% and up by 5%. When we actually need traitlines rework, legends skills rework too and bugfixes.
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Now i’m going to make nightmares this night….
Well i’m maining a revenant myself and i would love that team just fix all the glitches revenant still have 6 months after bwe3 (like you are fixing coalescence of ruin one). I’m even don’t talking about the terrible state revenant have (particularly the useless state of tanking legend and healer legend, being pigeonholed in regular power build Shiro/Glint. But this discussion is already in all topics on revenant’s forum.) But if at last the team can fix the bugs it’s would be a good thing done.
I mean, before nerfing to the ground something maybe it could be better to fix glitch (first priority) or making the all classe quite balanced (rework on traitline, on some utilities…) and only after come the numbers’ game.
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Well i highly doubt this is going to be changed for one guy. The thing you can do is playing another class or just ignore Mallyx stance. Simple as it.
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The overwhelming consensus last season was that revenant was overpowered. I thought nerfing overpowered classes lead to balance (you know, that thing all players want and devs actively work towards)?
People don’t see the whole picture. They see what they want to see, exclude the rest, ignore parts of the reality that prevent them from coming to logical conclusions. It’s easier to ragepost than it is to think how to adapt, though one is more effective than the other.
Or maybe we don’t mind the nerfs, but hate the fact that all the weak aspects were completely untouched?
I agree that people don’t see the whole picture. That much is clear from your post and many others.Ventari needs serious fixing but if it’s tweaked to be viable in PvP it may be “OP” in PvE. Yet another solution that can be solved by separate balancing. To be PvP ready it needs faster charge times and less energy consumption. By the time it pumps out a heal or even cleanse the players you wanted to heal or cleanse would likely have ran out of the tablet’s range.
It’s mainly salvation which need tweeks. Salvation has 0 possibility to be used with others traitline coz there is no talents that can be used outside ventari stance or usefull to revenant in general. Salvation’s traitline and ventari legend also suffer from a lack of self sustain coz there is no talent for improve self survivability and the tablet of ventari is to clunky for being usefull for self healing and be usable in pvp (5vs5). Where Ventari can be usefull is in big groups like wvw or raid but, even here, he suffer from being too weak and clunky to use. He is never picked. Ventari/salvation, Jailis/retribution and corruption traitline (so half revenant) needs tweeks and changes to be used and be proper. That’s what revenant need to be a true class (i mean out of beta state than can only use 2 legends and full of glitches)
Burtnik: “Power rev is not really something i consider playable as hes too unreliable due to the overall changes and bugs that are here and doing well. So far the only class in game that deals less and less damage the more targets show up and yet in 1v1 he has a fairy high chances to lose the fight vs thief, scrapper, druid, necro or even mesmer now. It will be interesing to see how it play out at organized teams.”
Yeah i don’t really love power revenant too but it’s really (mainly herald) the only viable builds we have. I would really enjoy to be viable with Glint/Jailis or Mallyx/jailis. Maybe one day if we can dream.
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Who is this guy who have take the name of a famous witcher? A “pro player” i assume. And, coz he has said mesmer are op everyone have to follow him for sure. Non talking about the fact that mesmer have been huge nerfed too.
Anyway i’m tired of this ball game with everyone saying “you’re op” “we’re not”! It’s so childlish.
Talking about “fine” state of the revenant now. I think more people here are not really complaining coz of sword or shield nerf, it’s not the the real problem. The problem is, like 90% of people here are saying, that,that for a classe who can choose 5 legends, being stuck in only two is really odd. People here are complaining about the lot of bugs revenant still have 6 months after his realease and the useless state of the tanking and the healer legends, who are never used coz they are so bad compared to others. Revenant still feel like a class which is not finished, and it’s actually the reality.(just take a look to corruption traitline which is still designed for old condition eater Mallyx) That’s why more people are complaining here.
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Let’s face it guys! Roy Cronacher has designed the class but he has do his job: marketing and selling the class for HOT launch. Now he is gone and we only have the balance team for making a beta class to balanced class (upping and changing traits, skills, legends). Let’s face it this is barelly never going to happen. Better have to go on another class who is more balanced and entertained coz revenant is never going to be complete.
People gain affection for their favourite builds, so when they see them nerfed, they react very violently against the changes.
But to be honest, revenant’s nerfs were well thought out and all completely logical.
Favourite builds?! Revenant haven’t builds he has just power build (Shiro/Glint), others legends (and so builds) are bad. And, since the start, the only viable build we have, power build is going to be gutted and gutted. Only nerfs!
It’s not only coz of that that people are raging. It’s cause, since BW3 nothing have been made for revenant (other than nerfs). Revenant still have a lot of bugs which have not been fixed (hammers, PT,UA,underwater weapon slot…) and that, during 5 months, the forum was just totally speaking of Jalis and Ventari being too bad and needing changes. And NOTHING have been made for. The revenant, since the start, is just a beta class gutted in one build which is now completly garbage(at last you can say, all the legends seems equal for now), full of bugs and with ANY improvements when actually everyone is speaking about it (not to mention that balance is normally nerfs but buffs too for finding a…balance). If that is not bad faith from anet balance team i don’t know what it is!
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not 100% trash? Humm so we still usefull in something?
Yea, you can AFK and apply perma-Fury! (and Facet of Nature is still very useful)
And power! Great support job, like a pet.
On a serious note i wonder if there is any point at all picking up shield now? Selfroot for 3sec block 2,5k healing on 25cd compared to crap sword offhand with 2 sec mobile block on 12cd? +offhand sword doesnt clip with mistward blindfold nor mistward shoulder
Difficult choice for sure!
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not 100% trash? Humm so we still usefull in something?
Rev has received the biggest nerfs, up there with ele. I’d say at this point though ele has got shafted from being a must to now being thrown completely out. Rev was mostly in meta for condi mallyx which is hard countered and basically useless because of reaper.
Power shiro, while still good, is probably on the same level as guardian dps or thief at this point. Engi did not really get nerfed since cele is not the main trinket used. You keep referring to the nerf because of removal of cele ammy but marauders was still heavily used.
I don’t think rev has been deleted from meta but the condi rev very well has been. I expect zerker power shiro to take the place of condi rev as I’m sure most everyone else does as well.
With the Shiro’s heal nerf, Glint’s heal nerf and shield? Seems difficult.
Classic example of lets make a new profession make it OP, get everyone to buy HOT and the nerf the crap out of it….oh well cant say we didnt see this coming a while back
Thing is, I would have expected them to leave the bait and switch out even longer, but seeing as how Anet can’t even handle proper balancing or actually engaging the community in open discussion, it’s not a surprise that they can’t bait more sales if they tried.
When I saw the “balance” section of the patch notes, I wasn’t even surprised or disappointed. It’s just their typical flamboyant disregard for their own players. The silence on the feedback and suggestions is absolutely deafening. If the people balancing the game seem to hate it so much, why are they even working for the game?
Revenant really brought a whole slew of abilities together and made for a pretty unique heavy. Now that the solid damage that the class had is now absolutely trashed, it’s just a buggy mess of skills that don’t perform unless very, VERY specific conditions are met.
But hey.
It’ll only take 4 more years before the next expansion and PR rounds bring the “balancers” back into this forum, right?
It’s not now that the revenant was trashed. Revenant still a beta class since… Beta weekend 3. Nothing have been made since this date. Revenant are: full of bugs and glitches (UA in walls, phase travel working one time on three,Hammers desactivating when upping terrain, two slots for underwater weapon…) and when they sold us a “elementalist” vibe with the class (with a choice of 5 legends overhaul) there is actually just 2 real usable legends (Glint and Shiro) coz the others are just too bad compared to them (specially Glint, who is far beyond all others legends). But now they just have made the only 2 legends we have, garbage and unplayable (shiro’s healing nerfed by UA nerf, Glint’s heal nerf and Shield nerf) so basically revenant don’t serve anymore for nothing now! Just for showing his beautifull plate armor in LA like a statue coz when it come to battle the class is less than a bug.
Let’s face it Revenant has a cool design but the classe is never going to be really playable. Better have to go on another class or just play another game.
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…but we havent heard a peep from him since launch really.
Or any of the other developers aside from some inane banter about some twitter post they made.
Let’s just face it, they already got their money from expansion sales. There’s no reason for any of them to stick around for us.
Money,Money, Money! And let’s face it, HOT is BAD for an “expansion”, very short, not a great living world story, only 3 maps (the last one is a meta event) and “elite” classes (pay to win) that’s just don’t justify 50 bucks at all! When you think that they are guys like CDPR (who are just 10x less numerous than anet staff)that make for 10 euros a 17h expansion you know you have been teabagged with HOT (and they are people who have paid more 70e or 120e… preordering you know, buying a stuff without knowing his content.)
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Yeah they know how to sell “new items” with gems for sure. Selling, selling, selling! But when it came for real content and balance. There is anybody!
How so? I will play base rev in season 2 and wont give a kitten if i feed enemy team or not. Any problem? Blame incompetent balance team that should be fired and replace by a new competent one long ago. I am slowly moving to Smite either way so i couldnt care less. Things got worse much when hated Jon Peters left.
“Now that the revenant is out in the wild, we’ve been taking a hard look at it. The general goal for this profession is focused specialization through a variety of trait and legend choices. We’ll be continuing this in the future by assuring that each legend and core/elite specialization fulfills their respective roles. In this iteration, we’ll be looking to tone down the revenant’s sword damage in some areas and adjust the weapon’s abilities so that it’s less focused on autoattacking and better at singling out and attacking enemies. We’re also keeping a close eye on the revenant’s defensive capabilities.”
In future means only one thing;
- 0 buffs to offhand sword
- 0 buffs to staff
- 0 buffs to Jalis/Retribution
- 0 buffs to Ventari
- 0 buffs/compensation whatsoever for deleting hammer from the game (for spvp and heavy nerfed in pve)
- No rework whatsoever to Mallyx and corruption line,
- No rework to shiro healing or fixed PT (which should also become insta cast due to slapped cd)
- Base rev still without 25% movement trait (or swiftness) despite the fact we have a slot in adept devastation for it
Thats the upcoming patch. Nothing at all, just sword and Glint nerfs. So yep if thats all they have for this update im gonna laugh like no tomorrow. In fact i already do when i look at “buffed” warrior sustain and “buffed” cyclone axe. I could write a book about how kitten rev is without herald but why bother.
Im so good at predicting nerfs. First ua to 5 strikes, now 0 f given about everything else. Praise me peasants.
Yep you have see it coming but it was pretty obvious. I just can suggest people to leave the class, now useless, for now or playing other games. I have starting to level up a new main: engineer but i’m just don’t sure i’m going to still on this game for now.
Hey look the patch is out and guess what? NO CHANGES TO JALIS OR VENTARI LOL
It’s not like if every topic on this forum talk about it after all!
This AA nerfs are way to harsh
They told us they would add survivability but instead took away a lot of it and added nerfed dmg WTF is up Oo
I’m so frustated about leveling my rev ……..
Yeah they adding survivability by nerfing it hard! It’s logic after all no?
Roy said he isn’t working on Revenant anymore and hasn’t been for quite some time, off to other projects.
Who works on rev now?
Nobody?
But really, who didn’t see this coming?
Everyobody was suspicious but i think lot of us have keep hope… until now.
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NONE of the current issues are adressed while a ton of nerfs are added.
Is anyone testing these changes. Is anyone at anet even playing a rev
We want to know what’s going on. Class right now feels like it’s still in beta state.
Jalis is still crap. VentaRI is bad. Roy, what’s going on?
Roy has do his job: Marketing for HOT. You barelly not going to see it ever more.
Revenant
Preparation Thrust: The damage of this skill has been reduced by 11%.
Brutal Blade: The damage of this skill has been reduced by 20%.
Rift Slash: The damage of this skill has been reduced by 10%.
Unrelenting Assault: The number of attacks this skill makes has been reduced from 7 to 5. The damage of each strike has been increased by 10%. The strikes from this skill are no longer affected by animation time-scale, as quickness provided no benefit and slow would cause the attack to never hit.
Precision Strike: This skill has been reworked and will now always fire three projectiles at up to three targets. If fewer than three targets are available, the remainder of the projectiles will be launched at the available targets. The chill duration has been reduced from 2 seconds to 1.5 seconds.
Coalescence of Ruin: The recharge of this skill has been increased from 2 seconds to 4 seconds. Enemies are now able to be struck by this ability only once every 0.5 seconds.
Unwavering Avoidance: This trait now has a 5-second internal cooldown.
Herald
Crystal Hibernation: The base healing per level from this skill has been reduced by 36%. This affects Soothing Bastion as well.
Facet of Light: Activating this facet is no longer instant and now has a casting time of 0.25 seconds.
My thoughts:
HAHAHAHAHA! It was SURE! I really love guys behind balance they seems to know they job. Well only nerfs, heals nerfed, sword become garbage. Next patch: Deleting revenant from the game.
That’s a bit too much for me. I’m moving to another game waiting til the revenant are going to be a bit balanced as a class in a all.
ONLY NERFS! WOOT GUYS!
Balance devs seems to really know about revenant’s state it’s pretty obvious! Sword turned to pure garbage, UA nerf=Enchanted daggers nerfs, glint’s heal nerfed and shield heal nerfed (HUGE survivability incomming) and cherry on the cake ANY BUFF TO JAILIS AND RETRIBUTION, VENTARI AND SALVATION OR CORRUPTION.
Well It’s a bit too much for me, i’m going to move to another game til revenant is going to become a class in a all (5 legends usables and overhaul balanced) but i think it’s not coming since next “expansion”.
Jump off to revenant’s ship for an undertermined duration
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The only thing that sword gains from this patch is a “burst” option on 2 assuming you do..1v1 and they dont have pet etc otherwise sword becomes a joke.
Question if its worth it for huge nerf to ua (and keeping it multi target) and aa nerf? Absolutely not. And given how slow these projectiles are you want to land it by either pulling them with sword 5, taunt with jalis or jade winds.
Doesnt matter in general as you want cast it only in melee range/inside hitbox like whirwind wrath and hope some nasty ele wont apply reflect aura to them.
At this point however if its not usable on anything outside of melee range, why its even a ranged skill still? Thats obvious it should be changed to melee for everyone but.. devs.
Atm “buffed” precision strike and ua doesnt make sense if they want sword to be “singling out enemies” as sword will be even more pathetic in teamfights/ vs pet class but its something that they dont understand for a kitten at all. Sometimes i wonder what they have inside…
Now my advise is to grab popcorn, wait for patch notes and move on.
Not to mention the enchanted daggers nerfing that is obviously comming with the UA nerf (coz enchanted daggers is very well syncronized with UA use). This heal is just garbage for now think after the patch…
And now think about the facet of light nerf too. Yeah you’re right they are nerfing the two healing skills of ower two usable legends. Revenant are future pets on battlefield.
Wow! The daggers’ skills seems a bit to necromantic and death magic/soul reaping focused for a chanelling guy like a revenant! Classe who have basically his weapon’s skills signatured with one legend or with phase transition between Tyria and mists.
But i would prepair myself more to cry than laugh.
How so? I will play base rev in season 2 and wont give a kitten if i feed enemy team or not. Any problem? Blame incompetent balance team that should be fired and replace by a new competent one long ago. I am slowly moving to Smite either way so i couldnt care less.
No don’t really but well i was playing revenant for versatility and the ritualist vibe and well versatility isn’t the world i’m going to use for revenant… When i’m hyped with legends for having roles etc you actually just can use 2 of them. I’m very dissapointed with the beta state of the class so far and i’m pretty sure nothing is going to change for a while. HOT in general disapointed me (affortunatly i haven’t pay the 50 bucks they want for that) it was too little (only 4 maps), the personnal story really short with no real explanations on sylvari’s link with mordremoth or Rytlock’s travel in the mists or even no revenant’s specials dialogues for player. I have clean it so quickly now i’m just borring and revenant still at beta state… That leave me two choices: Or i’m going to up an engineer for keeping a bit of interest with the game or i’m going to leave the game for a moment (waiting for TW’Blood and Wine and others games maybe should i try Smite?) waiting for a time when the game can give me some interest (maybe S3 or when revenant can finally use all of these legends).