Guild Wars 2

No, just no. EOTM is one of the worst things to ever happen to WvW. Now that it’s finally dead it should stay dead forever.

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Well that’s your assumption, I’d venture the data would only partially agree.

At least on EU there are whole communities dedicated to bandwagoning, looking for ez fights on servers that are going up the ladder. My assumption is that it works both ways.

Besides, Gandara is literally the most overpopulated server at the moment, AND it is linked for some reason. Give it time and the problem will resolve itself, no need to repeat the same mistake twice and cripple WvW by reviving EoTM.

MomentofWeakness.1246:

If removing it isn’t feesable then Edge of the Mists should only be traveled to when the regular 4 WvW maps are all full.

Unavoidable queues are great way to reduce server stacking and spread population across the rest of the servers. Will also diversify matchups.

EoTM isn’t WvW, lacks many features of WvW, hence should not have WvW rewards. The sheer existence of EoTM is bad for WvW.

FYI, there are servers on EU with no queues during primetime and outnumbered buff all day long. Roamer paradise. Cheap transfer included.

It’s not a question of buying, it’s a question of playing. If you want to continue to play this broken gamemode and want to stay relevant and competitive you will have to buy the new xpac. But do you want to play, really?

Whatever features we get, they are likely to break wvw even more, just like HoT did. Remember DH LB 5? Remember bugged revenant 2? Remember OP banners and tactics? Remember broken balance? Remember how Oasis event used to lag out the entire map? Remember bugged invulnerable walls and line-of-sight? Remember that kittened waypoint system they introduced? Remember how you could bug your way into almost every DBL keep? Remember timed autoupgrades which you couldn’t influence? Remember, remember, remember? It’s actually amazing that we’ve survived HoT.

1. Skill lag
2. Skill lag
3. Skill lag
4. Skill balance
5. 30 fps

Dawdler.8521:

Especially the guardian buffs, the weakest class in WvW that no one ever plays.

Guardian is one of the most played classes in WvW not because it’s strong or does a lot of damage or whatever, but because it has a unique role and provides AoE stability and group sustain that no one else can provide.

Anyway, the PvP patch also includes many changes to roaming type of skills, which aren’t used in GvG. I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t have them as well.

I wonder how often these threads should pop up for Anet to at least try to do something about it.

You can’t do much regarding skill lag, it’s a netcode issue. Everyone has it. Spam 1, hope for the best. And pretty much the only way to improve your FPS is to get a CPU with better single-threaded performance. And even so, in a 3-way blobfight you’ll still hit those 30-35 fps. Unless you are running with character model limit/quality on lowest. Sadly, the game just wasn’t designed for large scale battles.

Xenesis.6389:

There’s already color coded models, no need for names too.

Indeed, there are already red and blue servers, and it’s been like that for what, 4 years? Maybe you should propose to anet to change every non-friendly side to red color.

Cerby.1069:

Like why would the enemies be green dots…..so confusing

Because they are from the Green server? And Blue dots – Blue server? And Red dots – Red server? Wow, so confusing, better have those old 3-4 words + guild tag nameplates so you can’t see kitten in a blobfight.

Server linking is the biggest mistake since introduction of EOTM.

Pls remove.

1. Remove server linking completely. Instead focus on getting new/old players back in WvW.
2. Lag.

Yet another reason why the server should be chosen on first WvW entrance, and not during first character creation.

But then bandwagoners will have to pay full transfer price and actually commit to be a part of the community. Are you out of your mind?

Action camera kind of helps, you can pew-pew in someones face without targeting them, you can pull, leap and cleave in the direction your camera is facing. There are builds you can play without need to target anything. Or you could just go full AOE necro.

But yeah, it needs to be fixed.

A hobo-sack with wings and flags, with small winged hobo-sacks on top of the flags.

RodOfDeath.5247:

so everyone can load on on one server, spawn camp and run wvw into the ground

Isn’t this exactly what’s happening right now with server linking?

I would prefer to retire this linking system.

At least on EU it didn’t solve a single problem, but instead created an endless bandwagon form everywhere to nowhere, leaving both host and guest servers barren after unlink, as people move to the new top tier. Guest players because they are looking for ez matchups, hosts because sudden drop in population and rank doesn’t reflect well on morale. They end up fueling the bandwagon with their numbers, and their home server won’t recover until it gets bandwagoned again. This already happened to some ex top-tiers and will happen to all of them. With 500 gems as transfering fee even I, always being poor as kitten, can afford to move every single month for ez wins.

It’s also a problem for TS admin and community leaders, and with monthly relink it will turn into administrative hell.

EU doesn’t have enough servers to afford the variance of links. Anet would have to link the same servers again and again, or link servers with different languages, or create unequal links like they did with FSP and endure the drama and accusations of favoritism. The less Anet have to intervene the better.

Instead I would like to see a more direct approach. Permanently merge the lowest, say 5 or 10, servers into 1 or 2 and focus on getting new and old players back into the gamemode. Fix the kittening lag , address the balance, remove eotm, roll out the second scoring/skirmishing update that we were promised, add unique personal, skirmish and matchup rewards. Do the Call of the Mists buff for WvW like we have for PvP, add some more achievements, titles and maybe shiny badges. Guild upgrades, statues and plaques in LA. WvW-only legendaries, backpacks, wings, backpacks with wings and flags, whatever.

Not much to say until we see it in action, but so far seems like a first step in the right direction.

If they would manage to fix skill lag and kittenty fps in blob fights – yes, I would.

But lots of players (probably a majority) would not. And since WvW is very sensitive to the amount of people who plays it we would have another problem of underpopulation.

No. The less clutter the better. This game is already puking rainbows, and I have no need for some new extra shiny badge or number above my head. If you want to show off – use WvW titles, they are rather grindy and not many people have them.

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

• Far Shiverpeaks & Whiteside Ridge & Fissure of Woe (EN)

With all the bandwagoning they were getting, and now with +2 servers, they will probably outblob Desolation.

Guild-based, or rather alliance (3 guilds each side) based WvW was already worked on by Anet and was known as The WvW Overhaul. It was later dismissed in favor of these polls and minor updates we have now.

And in any way, it’s a terrible idea. Outside of primetime WvW is held together purely by pugs, not guilds. Many just won’t bother to join a guild and switch to EOTM instead.

If it’s a troll he’s gonna find another way to troll. But usually it’s a new player who wastes the tactivators, just to see wtf they are and what happens if they are pulled. Implement a rank requirement. Say, rank 100, or 200, or just add another mastery line which allows to use the tactivators. By the time he will reach it he will already know that they should not be wasted.

No, it’s time for deployable cannons and repair hammers and more siege spam. And then it will be time for DBLs and supposedly balance and lag-fixes. And after that it’s gonna be time for scoring changes and nightcap nerf. And only after that it’s gonna be time to end the beta and start the tournaments.

I bet that +15% karma enrichment is considered as a WvW enrichment by Anet.

WvW is the only place in the game where guilds matter and you can actually have yourself a GvG Guild War.

Mysteriax.6049:

Address the tough issues of scoring, population and profession balance.

Before addressing gameplay issues they first need to address crappy engine issues. Skill lag, FPS drops, etc. No point in having tons of people if all they can do is lag. But sadly the engine isn’t designed for anything more than 10×10 and it will never change.

bigo.9037:

you dont have to upgrade server capacity or whatever for every single server. just the ones that need it. all the top servers with a bunch of people in them.

Let’s not play favouritism here. Low tiers also have terrible lags. And they also have people on them during prime time to the point of queues, especially after all this population balance and server linking.

Raygan.8569:

Never seen them at all

At this very moment we have 11 Blacktide players in a public squad with 31 players total. And there is at least 2 BL guilds who raid most of the days. Just FYI.

1. Skill lag
2. FPS drops and horrible optimization overall

But yeah, that’s not happening.

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

This is intentional. We made the change to help with nameplate visual clutter in WvW.

I’ve waited for this since PvP badges were implemented. Thanks.

Also, would be nice to hide the titles in WvW squads. They are usually hidden, but if you join a squad they are visible again and the screen turns to kitten.

30 FPS + 200 ping + 3 second skill lag = best console wvw experience.

Yes it’s common and no, there isn’t much you can do besides upgrading your cpu, which is usually the bottleneck.

By the word rotated in the changelog and some of anet replies on reddit I’m assuming that DBLs eventually will be rotated back into play, I’m also assuming it will happen on a quarterly basis, along with the worlds re-linkage.

Personally I’m not a fan of Alpines (and never was (and the bay sucks)) and this quarterly rotation creates for me a 3-months vacuum during which I have no border to play on. Chances are high that during this vacuum I will find something else to play and forget about gw2, just like some of the DBL-haters forgot about the game and still didn’t come back.

Thus, pros of weekly rotation:

1. Diversify stale matchups. Playing 2 weeks in a row against the same servers is boring, playing against them on different maps is not so much boring and could lead to a drastically different score.
2. Different borders means different commanders and different people. Diversity again, more people playing WvW overall.
3. A week isn’t enough to drop the game out of hate to some border type.
4. But enough to have fun on your favorite border before going back to EB.
5. No longer only 2 maps for such a huge gamemode as WvW.
6. We may finally see the real playerbases of two borders. WvW had a surge of players along with stab, balance and reward changes and before Alpines were brought back. Makes me think that the real reason of WvW downfall was just bad balance and lack of attention/bugfixes/rewards, and not DBLs.
7. Anet have maid some very nice map design changes to DBLs and having them rotated so often creates a better chance of haters giving the map another chance.

Can we have both? Because we need both. Cross-map chat and reducing clutter sounds so tasty.

But if we are forced to choose then scoring improvements should be the priority. Definitely.

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

there are servers without q. im just saying…

I’m pretty sure there are maps without q even on his own server. Heard they are called borderlands.

Having WvW rewards in EOTM is pretty much like progressing in PvP by killing training golems in HOTM.

Remove EOTM or make it a PVE map without WvW rewards

2. cycle between them

And you could actually make a poll

I’m confused, the title says ‘WvW’, but you are talking about PVE map.

1. Autoloot. Seriously, why am I still spamming F F F in the middle of a fight?

2. Weekly/monthly border rotation. Alpine and Desert. Because having only 2 maps (EB and single border) gets old pretty fast. Also many people got used to deserts and wouldn’t want to see them go (myself included). Deserts do need some rework tho.

3. Rewards for winning a matchup. Not personal reward-tracks, but server-wide. Like having some new valuable vendor or siege/gear discounts for the winning side. Because WvW is about worlds, not a single person, right? Right?

4. Some in-game WvW advertisement, maybe? I’ve seen people with 5k+ AP who aren’t aware that WvW exists

5. Remove EOTM or cut out WvW rewards out of it. EOTM isn’t WvW, EOTM is just another HOTM and should not contribute to personal WvW progression.

Yes please. Guild mission with oasis event was the only WvW mission which was doable solo. Now it’s gone and I have to go back to PVE to leech them bounties.

There is no point in trying to lure people using rewards. Because at the same time these same rewards will be added to EOTM. And EOTM still will be the fastest way to get these rewards. So yet again people will pour into EOTM and not WvW…

Swagger.1459:

Yup, and those players who prefer to fight and are not afraid to fight, go to eotm where its harder to avoid a fight.

Seriously? Hope you are trolling. I’ve played EOTM for some time before posting all of this, and its typical gameplay is 3 blobs running in circles capping and recapping stuff after each other. If an accidental fight happens – it is a fight when one blob is spamming 1 1 1 on a lord, totally unaware of incoming. They get wiped before they can realize what’s happening. Sometimes I had a feeling many of them were bots, or AFK, or just didn’t know that people can kill you in EOTM and are totally shocked by this discovery. And if a commander announces himself a “fighting commander” he loses half of his blob, people leave him to find a farming overflow.

Today I’ve seen a commander asking his superior in size blob if they want to fight a smaller enemy blob. They decided “Naaaah” and went for another round of capping, recapping and happy farming. Much fights, fast paced nature, so wow.

And seeing how you are proposing in every post to come to EOTM and show “how it’s done” I’m getting more and more convinced that EOTM is stealing players and should be removed.

lil devils x.6071:

I think you misunderstand what EoTM is , it was not added to give people something to do, it was meant to be the testing ground for what they planned on implementing in WvW.

I think you didn’t really read my initial post.

It doesn’t even serve as a testing ground anymore.

When was the last time they actually tested something there before implementing it in WvW?
The testing ground is WvW itself now.

Azure Prower.8701:

The real problem is the game does not reward players for holding and defending objectives as well as taking them. That’s the core of the issue. Considering WvW mode is the most unrewarding mode in the game period.

If they keep adding rewards to both WvW and EOTM like they did with memories and proofs most people would still prefer EOTM, just because it’s easier to farm there. Even (especially) if the gamemode will become the most rewarding in the game.

WvW needs WvW rewards to get people into WvW, not into EOTM.

ArchonWing.9480:

If people wanted to wvw instead of EOTM they would. They’re not there for a reason. If you remove EOTM, there’s no guarantee they’ll go to WvW.

That’s why I also proposed cutting out WvW rewards out of EOTM. Or at the very least limiting rank-ups in EOTM to one per day, similar to what was done for PVP custom arenas. If they like EOTM so much they can still play it, but if they want badges, proofs, memories, rank-up chests and dailies – welcome to WvW. Because having it all in EOTM and having it unrestricted feels like having PVP progression for killing training golems in HOTM.

Every WvW “incentive” you have added is available in EOTM.
EOTM was introduced so people would have something to play while waiting in queue for WvW. Now there are no queues. Well, there MIGHT be a queue on EB and homeborder at the same time, but it still leaves 2 more borders for them to play while waiting in queue for EB. EOTM has outlived it’s usefuless. It doesn’t even serve as a testing ground anymore. All that EOTM does now is stealing players from WvW in huge numbers. And not because it’s better, but because it’s much easier to farm.
My server didn’t have a commander in WvW, but EOTM had a commander from my server, from a guild that’s supposed to be WvW-focused. Why? Because it allowed him to rankfarm those memories and proofs with zero resistance.
Why play WvW at all if you can have everything you need via PVE-like rankfarm in EOTM?

The gamemode isn’t struggling with numbers, all those numbers are in EOTM. Lots and lots of them.

I know this problem was mentioned before, but now it’s more critical than ever.

Remove EOTM. Or cut out every WvW-specific reward out of EOTM so people won’t farm WvW rewards and WvW dailies in PVE.

Or don’t touch EOTM and remove WvW instead. One of them has to go so the other can live in peace.

Can’t spend the proofs of heroics on superior siege because I don’t have enough badges. And still have to buy siege disables and supply removal traps and normal siege, which drains my badges even more.
Soon I will end up with tons of stacks of unspendable proofs.

Remove PVE. One of 3 things will happen:
1) People leave, never to return
2) People pour into WvW, the gamemode goes ESPORTS and becomes highly successful
3) GW2 dies a sad and lonely death

The only full server on both NA and EU is named Desolation. The irony.

Mpiftekis.1529:

I didn’t need to know you are a stereotypical forum dweller.

Three days? Five hours? Oh wow that’s a lot, especially compared to the time you spend in PVE. Hurry up, you cannot afford another day of hardcore badge-farming.