of all, necro’s is the most broken tbh. There were times you actually down the reaper after a long hard fight only to get down by their down skills and from that moment you are dead.
the whole renegade spec is bug(in terms of design) anyway >..>
Looking at all the other threads,
kalla uses greatsword not sb! bug!
icerazor inflicting cripple not chill! bug!
kalla has nothing to do with elona! bug!
- Icerazor should Chill.
This x1000. Tbh, when i first heard this skill , i though the npc will cast chill (for the torment trait) but nope, cripple. I was “wtf…ice theme with cripple effect?”
I don’t want to sound apocaliptic, but if they will not rework Renegade, i will not touch this elite spec.And I sooooo wanted to make my second main, the main class for PoF.
agreed with the Icerazor, chill would make it compatible with corruption trait as well.
The traits for renegade is pretty decent actually though.
make sevenshot projectiles/portal fire from above like citadel bombardment. Adjusting height of the assets should be easy anyway.
At least it looks cool and fixes that silly terrain issue.
Not even going to bring up how lacklustre it already is due to low condi duration and hard to land skillshot.
or simply take advantage of terrain and get out of line of sight. Bam the whole 20 sec is wasted for the deadeye
tbh death judgement is an overrated skill, with zerkers I can kill anyone with just spamming 3 and autos most of the time
When asked about sigil swapping on legendary weapons the devs mumbled something about economics and the sigil market, then moved on. Don’t get your hopes up.
if that’s what they truly think then it’s just another bad design on their part.
I got 1 shot by a deadeye skill 4 yesterday on my guardian. 1 skill, oh my! Didn’t even know he was there. It happens, move on and learn how to not let it happen the next time. Or don’t.
just fyi you get 1 shot because he had full malice stack from someone else. It’s not possible to do so without that.
the issue most people have with deadeye if you are using a melee weapon is the lack of steal’s shadowstep. The stolen skills are pretty lame so far as well since they don’t stay.
I hate the inability to cancel kneeling easily. Anet please please take note that in wvw, there are times when your server can’t handle the load and skills lag/delays. If you guys want to prevent players from accidentally exiting kneel with WASD, at least make jump key capable of exiting the stance. With how clunky it feels, it’s mobility is even worst than what you guys designed it to be, by the time we set up for kneeling, the target already move out of the 1.5 range. And by the time we finally get out of kneeling, oh wait where is my target.. oh he ran.
just play as you like, exp is easy to get anyways. And if you are 80 the exp you gain goes to your mastery, just pick another skill and dump the exp into it if you find it a waste
that’s always been the thing of a backline single target glass cannon. While you put in all the effort to kill 1 guy, the frontline train drive through the enemy zerg and tag 20-30 bags, while you barely have 2. 1 single sniper will never really change the game unless you happen to down the enemy pin.
people are overreacting indeed.
Glass cannon snipe build had been around for years. No body really play them because in actual coordinated wvw blob fight they are still not really viable, and it’s just a fun and “selfish” build. Deadeye is fine as long as they fix that death judgement bug that probably exist. https://youtu.be/qFcxnvqCG_M?t=25
if its within 10k-ish it’s still acceptable imo. A berserker with glass cannon build can do 14k gunflame as well. Deadeye actually need to meet alot more conditions in order to do that kind of burst damage.
20k will definitely be overtune.
I have no idea what most people tested it on with getting those ridiculous 30k
I only tested it in wvw for more practical results with 25mights 7 stack malice and it only does 13-15k at most.
The biggest issue with them being spirits is that they are spirits. .
This. Pretty much sums it up. When is the last time you actually see rangers run spirits. Even if you do happen to see 1 they are seriously minorities.
hey at least renegade got new animations , all that soul beast give rangers is an aura and thief vanilla skills
Lol you try it, then let us know is the spec even good. Animation? Who cares when the entire spec is pointless. At least Soulbeast is playable like how it’s intended.
Really? …Ok rangers, here’s beast mode, but don’t stay in beast mode!
Beast mode is just a new mechanic. You are like saying necro get reaper shrouds and they must stay in it forever? Or revenant permanently sticking to glint?
No. You burst, and exit the mode. The devs even explained the cooldowns on beastmode skills are not shared with the pet’s personal cooldowns.
The damage is bad and the spec is useless in PvE. Even in PvP, after your burst damage is done you will be vulnerable for 3/4 of the time. The stat bonuses are far too low to make up for the loss in damage by removing the pet. Remember that supposedly 30% of the damage comes from the pet. When you combine, you lose the pet, aka 30% of your damage not to mention the meat shield. What do you gain in return? 80 in each stat + 200 extra in 1 stat based on your pet choice and 3 mostly useless abilities or actually 2 abilities since you lose the pets special ability. It would be nice if they at least gave us the 30% damage back while in Beastmode. It wouldn’t be that hard to add it to the 1st trait.
You are not even suppose to stay in beast mode after using the skills. Watch the developer’s video. They specifically mentioned that.
How is soul beast useless? Even if you continue to play as a power range build, beast mode now gives you even more stats bonus. I am literally speechless when people claim specs that are working fine as underpower, meanwhile actual specs that are badly designed like renegade are being said fine.
I think people are saying that because elite and bleed buff spirit currently doesn’t have internal cd, but it’s a bug and they will fix it (tooltip clearly states they are supposed to have it).
still feels lackluster even with the bug tbh. If the bleed buff affects the other 2 of our “damaging” summons then it will be a different story. In the first place, why can’t our summons buff 1 another, isn’t the theme “warband”
So i tested renegade again with power build, the summons don’t even scale with our power.. because they are summons? Just like gyros.
I don’t even get why there are people saying it’s good in pve?
The only real cool thing about is sb is 2 actually doesn’t need you to face the target. But the projectiles are still disappearing at times.
I will give it this…condi Rev NEEDED a ranged option and I guess this is it. Not the greatest but then do you really want to camp SB afterall?
why not? Your only other option for condi is back to mace/axe spam with crappy mobility when axe 4 is down anyways. Speaking from a pvp/wvw perspective btw, pve mobs will just stand there anyway
Is it just me or it seems that ANet does not like Revenant?
watching their guild chat episode on the new specs, I notice they have nothing much to even talk about Renegade. Yes it’s a much simpler mechanic compared to much complex weaver/mesmer/holosmith but I giggled at their reaction.
“Oh look, renegade conjures the spirit of kalla. wow, they fight with their warband mates, killable wells… ok next”
Flashy portal skills yes, but due to the randomness of the projectiles at most you will only land 3-4 out of the 10/15, so that’s like 4 stacks of 2secs burn. Meanwhile other specs easily land 10+ stacks in mere seconds
Short Bow is automatically out. It’s just a terrible, terrible weapon with novel effects maybe okay for open world PvE where being at 900 is preferable to being melee.
However trait wise, with 20% condition damage and 300 ferocity from 10 stacks of Kalla’s fervor is much higher than anything from Inovcation or Herald gets I’d wager. That, combined with additional bleed damage (trait) which would impact swapping with Geomancy sigils seems like a better over all condition setup with Deva/Corruption/Kalla. That setup also gives you access to Citadel Orders but tbh I don’t think they’re worth their energy cost in most cases.
The legend itself (Utilities) aren’t too shabby either. I could easily see a rotation where instead of Jalis and using Hammers you’d swap and use Razor Claw’s Revenge which for the next 10 seconds you’ll add 3 seconds of bleeding x5 provided 5 targets are in range of the well. The condition damage and source is attributed to you so that’s not bad at all and synergizes with her Bleed traits. After that there’s Soulcleave’s Summit which is a straight up huge chunk of added damage with no ICD currently. This will probably be nerfed but adding damage like that for 5 people seems super strong. Until meters come out tho we’ll not be able to realistically see how much damage add these are, and even then meters won’t accurately represent others hitting to offset their damage loss during casting (that wonderful 3/4th timer everywhere).
So for PvE….pretty solid. PvP and WvW on the other hand, complete trash. The base Revenant lacks the base tools needed to make it a viable build.
I personally enjoy the shortbow alot, since reve lacks a range condi weapon as well, so this fills up that hole.
But what triggers me alot is the SB 4. If you move slightly pass your target location, it gets cancelled. like cmon it’s already mid casting animation and it cancels out so easily. And SB2 just feels weird due to how the projectile works, sometimes it just outright hits nothing.
But end of the day, the main issue with renegade is the utilities and heal imo.
I played DE for 2 hours in wvw and came to 2 conclusion
1. just kneel when your target is distracted, spam 3, dead. What is malice? what is 4?
2. Similar to the video, I kneel, I die.
Renegade is just a visually beautiful class especially with bombardment but the skills are underwhelming. No wonder they couldn’t even talk more about the mechanic during the live streams.
they didn’t want to make deadeye too strong, but seriously it’s pretty crappy due to how much they held back on it. After messing around for 2 hours, I hardly get the chance to use kneel 4 with proper malice charge, with a glass cannon build, you pretty much can spike 1 guy down simply with 333 spam. I get the tradeoff for mobility while kneeling, but right now we can cancel the stance easily by just wasd, making it feels really clunky to play with.
