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Let him be replaced then!!!! Would love a new voice to where i don’t cringe at every word he speaks (cringes at the thought)

Will grow and has the potential to grow is 2 diff things anet….

Next patch will give you the ingredients for the use with the cultivated seed and the current back pack its gonna be exactly like spinal blades but across chapters so to show as if its growing.

The cultivated seed is the answer to this question… Of course there will be a new pot as it mentions and itll upgrade your backpack prob till its ascended be prepared for either alot of farming or a pretty hefty gold sink

So out of all of those going to the summit…. Can we assume trehearne got booted off the island due to community hate and is gonna die during the summit meeting? Wouldnt really make sense if any of the others die especially since mordemoth is full on attacking Pact bases, vines interrupt the meeting strangling trehearne where he so depressingly stands and thats that

Nooo its going wwwwway over your head lol, the ending cintematic from s2 ch2 has a pale tree quote from part 2 of your personal story, people thought it was scarlet the pale tree said this to but its actually said to caithe about trehearne. So s2 ch2 ending is hinting to trehearnes return to the spotlight in s2

ViralVarda.2739:

Except that PS takes place 2 years before the LS.

That has what to do with anything?? Trehearnes alive, the cinematic was hinting to trehearnes RETURN…. Really?

“Do not question the dream, we must all play our parts” was said by the pale tree to caithe after you complete the first part of the ps (be it green knight or white stag or whatever) it was NOT said to scarlet

So the pale tree in the cinematic was actually talking about your character meeting trehearne….

Caithe: mother is that wise?

Pale tree: do not question the dream, we all must play our part.

Sooooo i think the cinematic clearly points at trehearnes return

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/My-problem-with-Eternal-Alchemy sums up everything pretty well for you

The pale tree sees all, i see it!!, i saw it!!!! I see her mind!!!!! Do not question the dream, we must all play our parts

THANKS TO ANET!!!! I figured out the first voice says “The pale tree sees all”

I hope to god we dont just pew pew mordy like we did zhaitan i’d be a very sad panda

It wasnt a interview it was a fourms post ONLT A FEW DAYS OLD lol im sorry but ur hopes and dreams are just hopes and dreams like i said they do have a small hole to bring him back but they simply wont because he along with destiny edge is done with, i could see u trying so very hard to hope for them to bring the 2 back but they couldnt get access to destiny edges voice actors so they introduced bi-conics and a new dragon, ur simply stuck in the past ik zhaitan fight felt horrible but it is what it is I personally would love zhaitan to reemerge so that i could kill him like a real hero should…. But ik it wont happen, because they along with the story has moved on

And yes because of the removal of his body anet can easily say oh look hes still alive and we wanna do this with him even though we stated many times hes dead. They left that option if they ever wanted to take it but atm its a very turn off topic for them, they believe they finished zhaitans story and have nothing else to add to it (or they would of before mordy) him still being alive could of been an alternative to the scarlet/mordy ls but they rather push their limits and try something new thats appealing to the community, zhaitan was a rather stale story, everyone hated destinys edge especially trehearne, they scrapped it and id say they made the right move…… Ls ch2 is a HUGE success

For one its zhaitan for 2 you have no clue what the orbs are about until anet provides you with the answer, for 3 it was in the game but later removed due to zhaitans redesigned size and their lack of time to do anything with his spirit (which i can also provide links to said interview if u prefer…. Before you start trying to argue with a devs statement try to learn to spell the topics name not being rude, just saying……. Anet is done with zhaitan via ps and has stated so, you can theory-craft your heart out but its pointless to try to go against a creator of the actual game atm anet says zhaitans dead, just gotta deal with it

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/lwd/Enough-of-your-GMPC-please/first#post4173255

Angel McCoy.1832:

The whole “Commander” topic is another discussion entirely.

Personal Story spoilers

hide spoiler

Bottom line is that, at the beginning of the Pact (almost 2 years ago in-game time), you were “The Commander.” After Zhaitan was killed, the Pact continued on and you went off into the world to do stuff. At that point, other commanders were brought on, and you become “A Commander.” And you became a commander who had lots of other things to do besides running an army that was repairing, preparing, and stocking up for the next big battle with the Elder Dragons. We could not build a story on that alone, not a good one that made sense, not considering where we want the story to take you. Any time anyone calls you “The Commander” now, it’s someone being nostalgic. It’s perhaps more correct to say you were “The First Commander.” That helps us explain why you’ve been running around the world saving people as opposed to being locked in a war room with Trahearne. I’ll see what I can do to get this explanation into the game.

In conclusion, I’ll just say again that we do pay attention to the forums, and thank you for posting your thoughts.

Majory cant ressurect the dead, necromancers seem to summon things that were never dead to ressurect ud have to have the power of zhaitan or grenith

Has anyone seen any updates on the wps? Everyones kinda siking over the cinematic that i dont see a thread of mordys current path

No YOU saw an orb your character saw the dragon….. Anet wont let you see mordy yet just keep waiting mordys gonna get introed with a grand type event you wish u saw him this early

The very last scenr right before the growl, supposedly your character saw mordremoth charging at her growling

Makes me feel like scarlet isnt exactly the bad guy anymore…. We screwed up the balance by killing zhaitan so she rushed to replace him with mordy (which is doing some massive magic eating (thank god?) if the dragons can’t complete their cycle tyria might be in real permanent trouble that lasts forever totally wiping ourselves out by saving ourselves lol

Thats was obviously mordys growl… Why troll it?
And can a dev assume something about his own work? Like they say, if its in game it is so
Always go with the game

Im 100% sure it didnt say “one mind” go listen to it a few times ive replayed it about 37 times to finally here it right

We must all play our parts…….. Does that mean the pale tree WANTED to wake mordy up for the magic cycle to continue being balanced out?? What if scarlets wyld hunt was to rebalance the cycle after zhaitans death (explains why she was so happy dieing she finished her wyld hunt)

Ok i got it for sure now,

i see something! I saw it!!! I see her mind!!! (Pale tree) do not question the dream, we must all play our parts. meaning we REALLY shouldnt be killing the eds off its like polluting nature in the end everything dies

Ronin.7381:

onemantankwall.3641:

onemantankwall.3641:

Can anyone fully make out ALL of the voices? Or did no one notice them? :P
I saw it, a single mind! (couldnt catch what was said after), do not question the dream we must all plan our paths. There was also talking in the very beginning but i cant make it out

I see sonething, i saw it!!! The one mind!!!! Don’t question the dream

I caught every bit of it this time

It could also be referencing that all Pale Trees themselves act as a hive mind and at the center of it is Mord trying ensnare his way back in control, seeing as the Pale Tree(s) fell out of his influence.

Noooo i was wrong it says, i see HER mind meaning either scarlet or the pale tree

onemantankwall.3641:

Can anyone fully make out ALL of the voices? Or did no one notice them? :P
I saw it, a single mind! (couldnt catch what was said after), do not question the dream we must all plan our paths. There was also talking in the very beginning but i cant make it out

I see sonething, i saw it!!! I see her mind!!!!! Don’t question the dream

I caught every bit of it this time we werent hearing one mind we were hearing HER mind we are def inside the pale trees /scarlets mind

One mind…. One mind…. Im stuck on one mind….. Could the dragons all be of one???

Can anyone fully make out ALL of the voices? Or did no one notice them? :P
I saw it, a single mind! (couldnt catch what was said after), do not question the dream we must all plan our paths. There was also talking in the very beginning but i cant make it out

This is where i get to say I TOLD YOU SOOOOOOOOO pale tree knows everything and she left us to die!

S2 has already blew me away “shut up and take my money!”

Fyi now that anet is charging for ls releases that people miss or werent playing for, that increases sales which increases budget which pays for MORE content, more is coming, you just gotta stop being so greedy
edit: china will have to pay for s1 when it is released on journal big budget increase when they do $$$$$

OP is clearly trolling 6 months of sub PER PERSON is $90 AND THATS JUST FOR ONE PERSON!!!!!!! plus!!!! $40+ to buy the expansion, $130+ a person with a game that has hundreds of millions playing is a giant never ending gold mine, while anet makes $0 every 6 months of subs and $0 off releasing huge content such as the LS, so out of the budget for content the very high price just to keep your developers that make the content, and what lil profit nc_soft gets back into their pockets your expecting them to bankeupt both companies by losing profit to add more nonprofit content that equals the content of the highly priced sub game??? When you start giving anet high end hundres of millions of dollars is when they will give you more content, anet gets nothing from its players but what little it makes from the gem store, and the gem store seems to be really lacking with stuff worth spending dollars on so thats not much nc_soft isnt just a developer they also created and developed CoH/CoV plus expansions, nc_soft teamed with anet alone makes gw the best game out there 2 mmo developers teaming up giving us LS content every 2 weeks for ZERO dollars, i will always be in love with gw2 the developers are far better than any 2-bit on the blizzard team, blizzard uses subs as a crutch while anet does the real work and thrives off of their hard work, i buy gems for gold just to support them, i dont have to, but i WANT to because they are such an amazing duo of corporations.

Rip: CoH/Cov

Ronin.7381:

Erukk.1408:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/lwd/Enough-of-your-GMPC-please/first#post4173255

Thank you. I stand corrected.

onemantankwall.3641:

Umm i provided interview links do u need to facetime me for me to read it to you as well?

Maybe next time you’ll actually link to proper source material instead of ambiguous information that doesn’t contain any true-answers on the matter. That same article you linked didn’t specify whether it was Zhaitan that was dead in fact it even went on to imply still having to deal with him in some form or another:

Arenanet Geff Grubb

… the idea is that we do have a big dragon carcass somewhere out there.

A “big dragon carcass”….

ArenaNet Ree Soesbee

Or potentially – when you go out there into the repeatable of Arah, when you go into that after thing where you’re… you’re dealing with his spirit.

None of which actually takes place as we all know by now. We don’t fight his spirit and we don’t see him. So until Angel had made that post, it was quite anyone’s guess. Now, you were right and I was wrong – fair enough.

It wasnt literal…. arah IS his spirit, the MOST IMPORTANT REASON is that they didnt have room for the redesigned dragon and they knew we’d expect more of them of the use of the dead body be it research or consumption, they’d rather be done with zhaitan and move on with their lives, like you clearly should

Erukk.1408:

Ronin.7381:

onemantankwall, nobody likes excuses. Stop using them. Either you have information we don’t know about that confirms your claim or you’re misinterpreting ambiguous sources out of information we already know of, to state claims of truth that are unconfirmed by the devs.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/lwd/Enough-of-your-GMPC-please/first#post4173255

Angel McCoy.1832:

The whole “Commander” topic is another discussion entirely.

Personal Story spoilers

hide spoiler

Bottom line is that, at the beginning of the Pact (almost 2 years ago in-game time), you were “The Commander.” After Zhaitan was killed, the Pact continued on and you went off into the world to do stuff. At that point, other commanders were brought on, and you become “A Commander.” And you became a commander who had lots of other things to do besides running an army that was repairing, preparing, and stocking up for the next big battle with the Elder Dragons. We could not build a story on that alone, not a good one that made sense, not considering where we want the story to take you. Any time anyone calls you “The Commander” now, it’s someone being nostalgic. It’s perhaps more correct to say you were “The First Commander.” That helps us explain why you’ve been running around the world saving people as opposed to being locked in a war room with Trahearne. I’ll see what I can do to get this explanation into the game.

In conclusion, I’ll just say again that we do pay attention to the forums, and thank you for posting your thoughts.

Thank you so much for adding to it just got off work, gw2 time!

Countess Aire.9410:

Tonight while in LA at Vigil Fort. Vine appeared at the waypoint. So it is able to transfer via gates Has been confirmed. So the invasion has begun.

Tomorrow vines should appear in timberline then it begins /E squeals like a little school girl

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

So it’s not malicious . . . instead it’s incompetent?

Pretty much, is why i said the pale tree is like the government hiding secrets for “national security” some times you gotta stop babysitting and let your nation deal with it before everyone ends up dead

Rabe.2456:

onemantankwall.3641:

http://guildmag.com/magazine/issue9/interview.htm
It was said in an interview shortly prior to release. gw.dat image of Arah’s map that has a dragon corpse, but it doesn’t really match the release one and outside one wing (the other missing/covered), it doesn’t look like Zhaitan too much – on the map, it’s located SE of where the GL is.

dat map with dragon in it: http://i.imgur.com/AluWU.jpg
dat map without dragon: http://i.minus.com/jvAjEof21jMx4.jpg

There’s multiple changes between them, only the general layout remaining the same, and the latter seems to be the release one.

So it seems that Zhaitan’s corpse may have been removed – at least from the map itself.
And if u want farther proof google zhaitan carcass pre-launch, it was placed in beta but was actually redesigned then scrapped all together because zhaitan was actually too freakin big for the current map of arah that was released i would provide more but just got to work

There should be a 1o1 how to cite… Sauce: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/72448-zhaitans-remains/#entry2035923

Regarding the vines, does anybody know how fast they spread? It seems to take longer than a day.

cpg.7140:

The chaos crystal cavern is connected in terms of lore (although I can’t remember the specifics) with the Thaumanova Reactor and I suppose, therefore, dragon energy, so that’s likely the thinking behind it.

See my screenshot below.

If people knew what they were talking about instead of just spitting out random things or went to use google before trying to make a statement they believe is true i wouldnt have to site commonly known information plus…. I was rushing out the door to work i put what i could lol

Edit: about the vines i tried keeping very close track to the timing of the vines popping up be it through forums or me staring at wps and imo i dont think theres a real set time pattern to the vines, but ive seen most appear during US last night/early morning it spreads at the devs will, i suppose as long as it reachs timberline by the release i dont think it matters to them, but i work graveyard shifts and usually when i get home things seem to change like IE: kessix haven blinked for 2 days straight stopped the next day then the day after the vines spread farther west

http://guildmag.com/magazine/issue9/interview.htm
It was said in an interview shortly prior to release. gw.dat image of Arah’s map that has a dragon corpse, but it doesn’t really match the release one and outside one wing (the other missing/covered), it doesn’t look like Zhaitan too much – on the map, it’s located SE of where the GL is.

dat map with dragon in it: http://i.imgur.com/AluWU.jpg
dat map without dragon: http://i.minus.com/jvAjEof21jMx4.jpg

There’s multiple changes between them, only the general layout remaining the same, and the latter seems to be the release one.

So it seems that Zhaitan’s corpse may have been removed – at least from the map itself.
And if u want farther proof google zhaitan carcass pre-launch, it was placed in beta but was actually redesigned then scrapped all together because zhaitan was actually too freakin big for the current map of arah that was released i would provide more but just got to work

If nightmare court are mordys minions the Dutchess could end up being a champion… Other than that he might not even need a champion with the way his vines are attacking the pact theres also a theory that the Pale tree was once his champ but has become immune to it due to the connection to the dream, the OTHER pale tree in magus could already be his champion and the vines are coming from that pale tree, its uncertain atm

What is almost certain tho is that the grove is most likely gonna be the next natural disaster, (pale tree dies bur gives the pc a seed of herself to replant or something) but that trees gonna face mordys wrath and it would be in her best interests to tell us what she knows

Ronin.7381:

Defhan.2389:

I don’t think mordy is searching for other dragons alive or dead. He obviously passed Zhaitan and Jormag if you look at the map.
I might be utterly wrong but I’m gonna say that he is searching for the Pale Tree. And I think she somehow managed to cloak herself from him so he passed her right away. He never went to Metrica or Caledon because, in my opinion, Pale Tree somehow tricked him to look elsewhere. I still think she is his former champion now good guy just like Glint.

Because if you think about it, the first thing Kralkatorrik did after waking up was going after Glint. It only makes sense that Mordy is going after his champion.

I think there’s an interesting idea there but first and foremost I am leaning to believe that Mord is looking to sever the Pact by monitoring its movements. Laying down a perimeter so to speak by extending its roots way out. Something however is its target in Timberline Falls so I’m very interested in seeing what that may be.

Janderson.4670:

Kalavier.1097:

Mikuchan.7261:

We do have lots of pieces of his body and we constantly get more for doing Arah explorable. The Shards of Zhaitan dungeon tokens are, as the name suggests pieces of Zhaitan. They even have a lore text on them saying that they are pieces of him and that he is forever dead.

I REALLY, REALLY wouldn’t take the dungeon tokens as hard canon.

Because A: Zhaitan’s death was a good distance from Arah, in an Area we can only assume the Pact hasn’t even touched if they haven’t secured Arah ATM.
B: Who would go and carve pieces of Zhaitan out of the corpse?

No one would have had to carve pieces of Zhaitan out of his corpse…we shot at him a lot and the shards of zhaitan could work the same as the blood of kralkatorik where it crystallizes once it leaves his body.

Kralkatorik is still alive….

Sure we didn’t see a body but do u really think the WhOLE personal story would lead up to us NOT killing him?

It would be horribly cliche, surely but only Zhaitan can give us an answer given his “disappearance” in the clouds and seeing as how he is unavailable… we can only go with what we see. What we see is that the Risen have grown weaker and become disorganized. Fair… but one must ask whether this occurred before during the last cycle when he had gone dormant.

The whole blood crystallizing thing – we did sever a large chunk of his tail off which caused him to bleed down into the depths bellow. I just think as a force of nature he’s not dead and simply become unconscious or hid away to go to sleep. After all, we “killed” the Lich in Proficies and Shiro in Factions – both of which appeared in the Realm of Torment. It’s not that impossible for a villain to survive despite the ending of a campaign.

Devs have stated in an interview ZHAITIAN DEAD his carcass was once even able to be seen near arah but they removed it (most likely in hopes to use the magic filled gas bag in a future ls but truth is that he was actually redesigned and they didnt fibd it worth the effort to put back the redesigned body, its unneeded they have said hes dead readding the body would just be waste of budget) peoples beliefs if hes dead or not are invalid, the developers of the game killed off zhaitan and are done with him he is not a UNDEAD dragon but a dragon of the UNDEATH (summons risen) im glad that hes dead personally, i think being a giant minion master is a pretty lame power i like mordys corruption alot better, its actually powerful! So can we stay off the zhaitan death subject LS is proof that we have moved on to better things

Doesnt have to have malicious intent to just withhold information, lets say for example your house is on fire, ur neighbor notices it but decides to finish his beer before telling you because he thinks he has time. well he finshes his beer opens up the front door and starts screaming for everyone to get out, the problem is, its to late everyones dead (your family = tyria) in their sleep and the house falls down on the neighbor instantly killing him as well. All this could of been prevented if the neighbor (the pale tree) took action and told you very vital infomarion that could of saved everyones lives but instead she’d rather sit in the grove and twiddle her branchs

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Probably one of those creatures that_shaman uncovered. Cool!

Looks like mordy to me

SO ITS GODZILLA!!!!!!’ GASPS

Will we ever actually face jormag tho? They woke mordy instead of going after a weakened kralk or to push jormag off hoelbreks doorstep, they just arent interested in developing further into those dragons for whatever reason

Its not hard to do the pale tree like they did canachs situation, i honestly think hes gonna be the one to make the pale tree reveal all she knows about mordy

I hope anet reads this thread and thinks about it, why hasnt the pale tree been open to us…. I mean it was either her death or her corruption scarlet forsaw, i mean as it stands… With her withholding tyria saving information from us, i honestly don’t want to save her, why should i? Mordys corruption will be devasting and the queen of the plant people would rather sit idle than try to save the many lives such as the pact camp in timberline, she should of talked to us as soon as the vines started spreading

Edit: as it stands if u talk to her about scarlet she basically shrugs and says i dont care but im proud of you anyway

Electro.4173:

Yah, the lack of ANYONE doing anything about the vines really annoys me as well. Having little “hints” leading up to the next LS is all well and good when it makes sense, but unfortunately here it really doesn’t.

With previous stuff like Scarlet’s probes, they were a complete mystery to the people in the world, they were protected by a force field that prevented people from doing anything with them at first, and even then there were NPCs led by Rytlock studying them.

Here? Nothing. Anyone that’s been near Dry Top or heard from any of the Seraph knows what they are, or at least has some idea. We’ve killed dozens of vines, so they certainly aren’t immune to damage. And yet no one is attacking them, studying them, or even acknowledging their existence.

Remember tho that its a game and the LS timescale has nothing to do with us, as far as the ls and vines are concerned our characters are in limbo at prosperity until the next chapter so honestly we wouldnt know what the vines are and that we should be rid of them, our characters havent even encountered the huge vines yet so the pc and bi-conics are clueless that mordys spreading his evil to timberline therefore we can’t stop them or that would interfer with the LS the server time is linked with RL but the PS and LS supposidly go through sometimes even years through the storys (like orr) but it doesnt effect the tine outside the ps/ls
Our characters wont even acknowledge the gines until the LS moves foward and we’re outta limbo

Ronin.7381:

onemantankwall.3641:

His body would hold the magic he absorbed just like glints body with the aspects hes literally a giant elder dragon loot sack waiting to be devoured or u can also compare it to the magic in jormags tooth unless its consumed its there to be claimed idk why anet let the body just fall without disposing of the body it creates a huge plot hole, ring of fire (where prim is) is right next to orr, mordy map hops with vines, the body is beyond easily accessible, if another dragon was to consume his magic (even if its just outta spite of each other, that dragon would be crazily unstoppable

Even the zephyrites have crazy mad power from glints body (whos only a champion) if ANYONE went after zhaitans power they would reach god status

That’s assuming Zhaitan is dead. We don’t have a body….

Underdark.3726:

i was stuck in the Salma Waypoint tonight. That happened only to me or is “normal”?

Nope, it’s a glitch. Seems either if you’re porting there from outside of Kissex or at least a distance away it puts you into the vine. This is unintended since I could port to the WP right next to it and not glitch into it. Expect a fix sometime soon-ish.

Devs have stated zhaitan is def dead (really old news btw)

Shes gonna end up having to tell us about mordy before their show down or she’ll end up dead with no one seem to caring

If they updated him id def say we’ll see him outta that cage soon enough

Belzebu.3912:

“being basically the goddess of nature and all things plant”
I think that role is filled by Melandru, imo Pale Tree is way under that kind of power.

onemantankwall.3641:

The kitten mightier than the sword! trehearne stabs mordy in eye with pen

I think you wrote “pen” and “is” too close :P , gotta love the forum censor haha.

Human gods are not syvari gods stop trying to force religion… God=creator=alpha=omega pale tree created the syvari is currently the alpha tree in tyria human gods= created nothing, traveled through the mists (we can do this through fractals so are we gods? Theres nothing godly about the human gods, they are seemingly very powerful humans from another land, would u call aliens your gods? Well same concept, but yes the pale tree is the mother god of the syvari they worship her and her powers unmatched atm (tho that remains to be seen with mordy awoken)