Guild Wars 2

I agree with you — never give into a hype. I admit I have never played the game but in preparation for it’s release tomorrow I have watched several hours of playthrough footage on both the pros and cons of the game and am completely satisfied with them. On top of that there is a large percentage of players from everywhere migrating to it which is evident from reddit and their very own forums.

I have a hunch that talking about other games is forbidden on these forums, so try checking out a youtube video! It got me addicted.

I randomly stumbled upon this post, and I just wanted to say thank you OP. I never knew of Archeages existence and finally found something 10x better and immersive than GW2. Reminds me of a modern Ultima Online. Did about 2-3 hours of reading on it and that is definitely where I belong xD

/* packs away gw2 */

So thanks!

r u engi?

/15 chars

skyhammer multiple times in a row — lovely! lets at least rename this map to engihammer?

No one likes it. This post is going to be merged into, “Skyhammer”, like the rest.

Oh wow, this post almost left the first page — can’t let it do that.

Just got skyhamburgers again, the only map where everyone switches to an engi, and the outcome is determined by whichever team has the most pulls.

Edit: this post and the two below were merged into this thread by a mod. Thread was titled, “If Sky hammer was gone”.

Then no one would be surprised. Everyone in the game would think, “I saw that happening sooner or later”. There wouldn’t even be any posts about Skyhammer anymore — just posts labeled, “Thank you”, without a description. Deep down you know why they thanked you.

Do us the favor you ever so promptly did for team arena and remove Skyhammer from solo arena as well. You know it’s a gimmick based map that doesn’t belong with the rest.

Posting this as my team is fighting 5 engi’s in skyhammer. If skyhammer was deleted no one would give a kitten.

Just wanted to know what your personal opinion was on terrormancers versus power necromancers in PvP/WvW.

I have been running power in PvP for a month now with an occasional condi switch-over, and I can’t nail which one is more effective for the team. Power has been highly effective at gaining yoloQ ranks so far. More over whenever I duel a condi necro while using a power build, it’s a pretty good matchup.

I haven’t been on the forums much so I’m not sure if there are certain stigmas attached to either build

Been paying close attention to my golem in pvp since i noticed this post. Since yesterday i’ve seen zero improvement. I can make a video to verify that my golem picks daisies while im full engaged throughout an entire fight.

Can confirm, eyes have cancer from seeing this many turrets.

Geiir.7603:

They should simply add an “I am ready” button that has to be clicked by all participants within a given time frame. If one or more haven’t clicked they get dishonored and all the other players go back into queue – simple as that.

As for those times where people get disconnected or whatever they should force one of the players from the team with most players to stay in base until one teammate die and then he have to wait. Or simply a volunteer system where no one loses rewards.

These are all basic stuff that GW2 should have had since launch…

I really like the “I am ready” button idea.

I realize it’s been posted a million times, but it would be nice to actually get a response for once in regards to the 4v5 issues. If you’re going to have a leaderboard for PvP then all corner cases should be addressed as a programmer, and this one is not being met.

Please add some sort of system check that does not allow for a game to start as a 4v5. Additionally some sort of forfeit option should be implemented where all team members must agree for the forfeit to actually occur.

@Swimsasa, would you mind posting the D/F build you’re referring too(unless its literally all zerker as you mentioned), as it would be interesting to know what food/util you run? I was originally interested in D/F but made the post in reference to D/D so that more people could relate to the topic I main a thief and constantly get my butt handed to be by talented D/F ele’s, so I figure it would be interesting to try one out.

@Carpboy, I only notice less condition, and more critical percentage/damage with the link you posted. I feel like one could easily tune the link I posted for that, with slightly inferior stats. That and all ascended gear, which all in all will lead me to crafting, which is what I’m trying to avoid doing

@Lostwingman, good question! I’ve noticed conditions from rotations to be pretty effective. Since a traditional D/D ele seems to be more sustain than burst, keeping a mediocre amount of condition is nice. I hope someone with more experience can contribute..

@Swimsasa, what about toughness and healing power? I would assume that a talented d/p thief could drop you incredibly fast if you cant tank/heal through his initial bursts.

I’m trying to mimic a celestial set for D/D(WvW) without actually investing the time to get celestial. This is the closest that I have come up with: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-k;4B2-V015wM-Z0;9;69TT;9;9-m9fgm9fg10FSF6;52V6091EYa3h49s0Tk-BV6ZF18Z;9;9;9;9;9;4VT-6r

The stats come very close to that of a pvp celestial build, with a little more power and little less hp. Does anyone have a better non-celestial mix? Also is a celestial mix the best way to go for WvW? If there are other mixtures, what stats do you guys prefer and why? I’m completely open to personal opinions for the sake of ele knowledge.

Thanks!

println( “Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!
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if( VeeWee.sentence(text) != endWithPeriod() )
println(“!”);

if( VeeWee.sentence(text) == endWithPeriod() )
println(“!”);

println(“Wahoo! Bye frands!”);

T raw.4658:

That’s before ferocity nerf

P/D power still works great — the ferocity nerf affected all zerker classes equally across the board. We can’t forget that crit sigils stack post patch, which in turn is amazing compensation for P/D power builds.

This is my current updated P/D power build: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-c;4VwkZ06-FOVd0;9;49TT;02;009A35A;4IF0;3m9fgm9fgBBGgF6-6-N_scOVTWYXcYi3o_630S70HV8-NX8a;15;9;9;9;9;9;0VTk3b

Make sure you’re familiar with the mechanics of P/D before you put on a zerker set, as it far squishier than you’re standard dire P/D thief.

Rare pets are also fun. I don’t mean to compare games but back in WoW it was pretty fun trying to camp out to train a rare pet that would only spawn during a certain time. They can have unique skins opposed to the typical pets!

It would also be nice to see a large variety of pets with different skills:
-Crabs(reflect, stun)
-Destroyers(stabilization, fire shield)
-Insects(charge, rapid attack)
-Imps(meteor, fire field, summon imps)
-Ooze(pull, immobilize)
-Raptor(screech, fury)
-Skale(regen, daze)
-Skelk(teleport, ambush)
-Wind Riders(reflect, confusion ray)

Long time thief player that is enjoying playing ranger. I noticed the community is humble and supportive. I hope they stay the underdog, because I love it. I love the fact that I dont have trouble with any classes in WvW besides the usual condi meta’s, unlike the general consensus of rangers being weak.

Narkodx.1472:

panicbutton.1053:

I for one love the flanking strike changes. I almost always use flanking strike to dodge, when I run out of endurance. Now I can afford another dodge on top of my dodges, while i dodge.

Dodge-ception.

THIS

Can not wait to dodge 20 times in a row

Feline Grace + Endurance Signet + new flanking strike

Right? I don’t see any reason to get upset about this. Sure it’s a slight nerf but it’s not a dead end nerf. We can use it to our advantage and use flanking strike over and over to close gaps. Can you imagine the dodge potential this adds for S/D thieves fighting on point now? You literally have three additional dodges on top of you’re vigor based dodge build.

I for one love the flanking strike changes. I almost always use flanking strike to dodge, when I run out of endurance. Now I can afford another dodge on top of my dodges, while i dodge.

Dodge-ception.

LughLongArm.5460:

Interesting, every time i tried to go with tanky power build(knight/soldeir) it felt like i cant pass the the substain of other tank/healing builds like d\d ele, gurdians, hammer warrior etc… how do you deal with that?
why using the “Two-handed training” trait? Between RAO/SOTF/pack rune you have 100% fury uptime and “strengh of spirit” trait will give you same bonus to damge for both GS and LG.
Wouldnt it better to cahnge predator’s instict trait to “malicious training” trait and play with wolf\jungle spider?

Admittedly the tankier classes can take a little time/space to kite down. The upcoming patch will address this nicely! I came up with a few fun combinations to try and speed up the process. I typically try to use mud between the opponent and myself such that it affects them right on the edge of mud so they must walk/jump through it. A quick barrage over the mud follows this and if they get close i knock them back into the barrage/mud, followed by a quickened rapid fire. I realized this factoid too late but sometimes switching out gs -> s/d for poison uptime is also nice(3-> 4 -> 5 -> 2 -> switch to lb). Entangle also burns tanks down pretty quickly

Those are good ideas for the traits! I’m going to try them out when I get off work.

Rym.1469:

It isn’t a duel build for OS. You need a lot of open space and begin the fight on maximum range. Sigil of Ice helps.

The fights start within 900 range. I had a few fights at max range and it was a complete slaughter in most cases. Luckily starting a fight up close isn’t bad with the given skills and utility.

Quick update! It’s almost impossible not to get hit by a seasoned thief, so the tankyness is a plus over just a little damage lose imo.

Went through some weekly duels at OS without losing any, best-two-out-of-three duels. The notable competition was condi rangers, condi engi, necro, med guard, axe/sh war, and d/p thieves.

I have lots of trouble with p/d condi thieves though…

I’ve mained a thief since release and decided to experiment with rangers for a change of pace. I’m fairly new to rangers and the community in general so I’m not up to date on the usual builds, but during the work days iv been passively theory crafting I’ve been stuck on a build I made(I doubt it’s unique) that’s served me really well for roaming and dueling in a WvW setting, and wanted to see what you guys thought. It focuses on using LB as a prime weapon, and GS for minor damage and creating distance.
6/0/2/6
Weapons: Zerker -> Air + Blood
Armor: Soldier -> Runes of Pack
Trinkets: Knights
Food: Omnom pie + Maintenance Oil

The build itself has a high health pool, armor, power, and 50% crit with a lot of fury uptime and condi clears. I tried zerker which laid down great damage but I had a ton of problems with thieves nearly instant bursting me down.. So I traded a little damage for more toughness. The critical rate also helps slap down extra damage between the sigils and omnom pie, giving you the ability to leech on top of your regen.

The fights are straight forward by opening up with LB attacks and retaining distance between you and the target for as long as humanly possible, using wolf/dog pets F2 and knockback, then stealth to re-positioning. GS is used to create a little downtime with AA attacking, mauling, dazing, then deselecting target to swoop away, and switch back to LB.

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-F;5FVx-p2REV-0;9k2;2T-9T-49C;15;054C;1IFl3R;1m9fgm9fgH0Fz0-35;2VNVSWXXb2h3n_6cWOk-B-7;17Vk0-Rk0;9;9;9;9;9VTk3w

Here ya go: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/23vbkh/tpvp_build_list_up_to_date_builds_as_of_the_april/ch0wjv8

First part for anyone else interested: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/23vbkh/tpvp_build_list_up_to_date_builds_as_of_the_april/

Lost 14 games back to back: five were 4v5’s, three contained an afk, the other seven were just the typical horrible match ups.

This isn’t the first day this kinda kitten has happened.

Arius.7031:

NSP is the one that disappeared and got wrecked a couple weeks back when a PvE patch lauched xD. We wp’d your bay/hills and almost your garry as well, during the middle of the day… Regardless, we have many fine roaming guilds (sold, jpgn, rdh, hail) and many fine zerg busting guilds (bevr, mean, tag, mean recently beat EDGE again in gvgs).

Also hi harley, this is nassor’s ele friend if you remember :P.

How could I forget you, you pushed me to create an ele after dueling you Good points all around though — whenever I see any of those tags above I’m guaranteed a great fight!

In general I don’t think NSP is strong at zerging, nor do we have the committed numbers. What happened this week was the collective feelings of our major guilds being tired of being in the same tier. Regardless of whats happening this week, we still have a very small population zerging. Maybe a smaller group on teamspeak is more tactically advantageous?

Exactly! They are the ultimate troll build. Just walk away and deny them the pleasure.

Waffler.1257:

I made a p/d condi thief awhile back to play around with the build and my conclusion is that if you have at least half a brain you should never die to any other build in a 1v1… ever. The worst you should expect is a stale-mate if you fight something like a shout guard or diamond skin ele, other than that they are the god mode 1v1 build in this game (even more cheesy than pu mesmer). Fortunately, they are completely useless in team fights, just run cheese mode dual healway guardian comp and you can completely ignore them since they will actually do 0 damage to your group, then they will just turn invisible and run away once the rest of their group is dead and you get to shrug and go about your day.

Exactly what Waffler said. Any seasoned veteran that decides he wants to pick up P/D conditions will not die to anything if they don’t want too. The good thing is, they have absolutely no chasing utility.

“What…?”

Yep, they cant chase you. If you die to one, that’s because you are are falling into their defensive utility. Notice how you are the one that has to chase them. If we as a whole decide to simple walk away from P/D fights, you’ll notice that they get awfully bored xD

But seriously… if you want any tips, deny them their CnD/Sneak attack. How? Anticipate it whenEVER they get into melee range. Next time you fight one, dodge around them the moment they come into range of you, and remain a small distance away from them…just enough so they can’t CnD or Shadow Strike. Make them burn init. If you can, fight them with whatever range you have. Keep them blind, or crippled. They absolutely hate that. If you force them into shadow refuge, force them out with any AoE. Don’t forget to laugh as they shadow step away from you to OOC

Vincent, you’re clinging on to dust. Literally everyone disagrees with you. This isn’t the first thread where you run wild with things you don’t know about

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Ceaszar.4532:

Go for Darkhaven. Beaten NSP twice and now being beaten by two Bronze tier servers. Just saying.

Seems you spoke too soon.

I mean this as personal speculation of the last two weeks — DH seems more PvE geared. There are absolute gems here and there, but for the most part I’ve not met good roamers. I have about 10 hours of roaming footage to show for just DH encounters as well :/ Winning a zerg fest isn’t indicative of a server being better than another is what I’m trying to say.

In your defense you chose a spec that isn’t quite as newbie friendly as people make it out to be. Positioning, timing, and understanding of other classes skills/tactics is a completely necessity to even be competent in fighting them with S/D — especially when roaming. Once you get more exposure you’ll notice you are the scissors to anyones paper, unless that paper happens to go into a full bunker build which you can just easily walk away from. The reason being is that S/D has the capability of being completely unpredictable, and sticks to no particular set of combination moves.

I used to hate sPvP too. I still roam more than I PvP, but I recently started to understand its importance to get a good balance of both gameplays. I feel like PvP made me carved out of wood. I still duel the same people and have been getting noticeably better on timing and anticipation. If you roam off prime hours you’ll be lucky to get any fight within 20 minutes leading to less practice and more downtime + chatting — opposite of what PvP will offer you. It’s not black and white either… you dont have to stick with pvp nor wvw. You lose nothing… you gain the benefits of both gaming styles.

TheBandicoot.5294:

Am i a bad thief for being killed so fast, when during the whole almost two-hour-long group clash (in which our opposing team got more and more people, eventually outmanning us – they started off 3 v 5 though), when all that thief did was looking for me, only to always burst from stealth while i was busy with someone else, or to get me teamspiked from fellow stealthed mesmer and/or ele. Does that make me a bad thief?.

This is merely a case of severe trolling that obviously got to your head. Someone managed to down you and then proceeded to break whatever spirit you had left. You’ll have to ignore it and move on because this will happen a lot Everyone has their off days. Keep practicing and rotate between any builds that suit you! Remember that its the player, not the build. Unless you absolutely know that the skill matchup is perfectly even, you don’t have to worry about builds.

Also like what Terkov said… Report → Block. These are people you’ll never have to interact with in your life. You will never meet them outside of the game. It’s simply not worth your time if all they have are negative things to say.

Just a tip: If there is an opposing thief, always hunt them down first. The other thief knew what he was doing. Take for example in pvp the roll of a thief is to first counter any other thieves, and then proceed to unbalancing any fight they can. A thieves worst opponent is one that can burst them FAST, which is… you guessed it, another thief.

Hey! I’m a highly active roamer from NSP. Our server is great if you like to roam but keep in mind that sometimes our match-ups are not the best. Since were lower ranking than most other servers, sometimes we have to deal with a lot of really crummy bottom tier teams. I won’t call them out but there have been times where I’ll stop going to WvW for practically the whole week because the opposing roamers seemed very new to the game. Regardless of that we have friendly roamers that are willing to party with the enemy and set up dueling stages. Oppositely, we have notoriously unfriendly zergers that would 10v1 and corpse hump if they could.

We may not win in the overall match ups, but that’s because other servers zerg a ton more than us. The atmosphere is fantastic on NSP and we tend to organize large dueling arenas within EB/OS, multiple times on a weekly basis. I’ve noticed that the prime hours for roaming are after 6pm PST. It can get weird though because some of the best roaming I’ve had was much later in the night.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

panicbutton.1053:

I’d like to see this happen in a pvp match — stealthing from point to point, ambushing a bunker turret engi/guard… Swiftly killing them with ease. You’ll sink faster than a rock :/

D/D isn’t as viable as S/D or D/P during the current meta. Hopefully they will show some more love to D/D in the up and coming patch. It would be nice to feel like a traditional thief for once.

I wasn’t talking about D/D or any weapon set. Read what I wrote.

Neither was I. Read my post again. First part was towards you, second part was a general thread topic response.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Carpboy.7145:

D/d, and shadow arts in general isnt viable in spvp. This is because you decap points while in stealth.

Players who says things like this always makes me laugh. SA in PvP is used to travel from point to point in stealth — thus giving them the upperhand when ambushing someone guarding a point. With this advantage, the Thief can dispose of the point guard before the Thief will ever need to stealth again.

Simply put:
Stealth -> go to point 1 -> kill enemy -> cap
Stealth -> go to point 2 -> kill enemy -> cap

Only noobs tries to cap a point while in stealth.

I’d like to see this happen in a pvp match — stealthing from point to point, ambushing a bunker turret engi/guard… Swiftly killing them with ease. You’ll sink faster than a rock :/

D/D isn’t as viable as S/D or D/P during the current meta. Hopefully they will show some more love to D/D in the up and coming patch. It would be nice to feel like a traditional thief for once.

26006 works for DP because of the constant blind mechanic, thus helping keep them alive. DD has two nearly useless skills which don’t contribute to its ability to survive, thereby needing SA for blinds and regeneration.

XPGAMER.7324:

“Shadow shot > Heartseeker” Isnt always true, for example if their below 25% hp. Shadow shot also only ports you to a target if it hits, so if you’re out of range, or your target can dodge, shadow shot can prove to be inferior to heartseeker, depending on the situation.

Good point!

^You’re mixing up conversations. No one denied HS being a gap closer. It was simply mentioned that it can be inefficient in most cases.

Vincent: “Eh?! I never heard of Thief being kited before. If that is true, then that Thief needs to go back to basics.

You’re denying that thieves can be kited and seem to strongly stand by that fact. We offered you a handful of examples in which a thief can be kited, and you rejected it. So I offered you a friendly presentation of how a thief can be kited.

I think the problem here is that most people stand by a certain weapon set as if it was an extension of their own natural born body. All the while denying simple common facts that are widespread among the community in order to defend their <1Mb of data. They forget that all you have to do is spend less than a minute re-traiting and re-gearing to pick up whatever they feel like playing. No need to be defensive, but also no need to be oblivious either. You’re not committing to a 500k house in the suburbs(picking a weapon set), it’s a dynamic game.

I’m not sure what else can be said about this topic in order to clarify my point. I can prove to you that I will indeed successfully kite you, if you use D/D. I can easily show you this in a duel.

mango.9267:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

panicbutton.1053:

Stealth isn’t god-mode, and is predictable if you dont have any movement tricks off cooldown.

Anyways, I’m just throwing out an example.

The example is unlikely if not non-existence. Thieves are accused of running away from fight, but never as being kited. If you can’t close the gap then stealth, that’s very basic. Or if you’re really worried about movement impairment, you can always bring Withdraw.

Thieves, especially d/d thieves, get kited all the time. Necros drop marks at their feet, engis drop bombs/run to turrets, mesmers run in between clones, warriors gs 3/gs 5 around, etc.

“If you can’t close the gap then stealth”. How are you going to do that in a 1v1? If you can’t close the gap, you can’t CnD. Unless you want to waste a utility stealthing, you’re not going to be able to stealth.

The fact remains that d/d doesn’t really have a gap closer built into the weapon set. Heartseeker is terrible when you’re crippled or chilled, and the animation is way too long, IMO

+1

Even if you do go stealth, they know where you are. It’s not a crazy magic trick when you aim with nades or marks. Maybe he was assuming we were talking about thieves in general? I tried my best to outline that i was talking about D/D several times.

I think were not understanding each other. Whisper me in game with DD ready so I can show you how likely that scenario(kiting) is on my necro/engi

Stealth isn’t god-mode, and is predictable if you dont have any movement tricks off cooldown.

Anyways, I’m just throwing out an example.

A number of classes attempt to kite a thief. I’m referring to when a DD has steal/infil on cooldown, and is heavily under conditions(with chill). For example a necro…

^Yup! Heartseeker makes for a complex situation when you’re being kited by someone dropping conditions, including chill. In which case the heartseeker animation and distance absolutely sucks.

Shadow shot > Heart Seeker

DP, hands down the best set for 1v1. SD is also deadly with proper practice but much harder to master. DD has the strongest opener, only if you can land it though. Talented players will dodge the opener leaving you a sitting duck as DD.

Bp is a problem but you won’t catch them just standing in it… Your melee range can reach them in the bp if they happen to do so, and you can still cnd off them without entering it as well. That’s basically what any warrior does, just cleave outside of their bp.

Actually S/D is a fantastic set to use against D/P players! When D/P goes into stealth, don’t act like you’re surprised by what’s coming next: 3 seconds of stealth. Wait a couple seconds and then use flanking strike or dodges. Cleaving near their bp is also useful before in those couple seconds before you dodge. Lastly make your back hard to hit…make sharp turns and be unpredictable.

Edit: take advantage of infil strike by relocating constantly since they don’t have much time in stealth.

It’s great to see you making videos again! High caliber as always