Guild Wars 2

Why is it that every time a server stacks up, there has to be a preemptive thread from one of the transfers justifying their move as some plan to better the entire WvW experience? If the Ehmry Bay guilds wanted to improve WvW they would’ve stayed on their server, not collapse it to stack on the server with the best OCX coverage outside of T1.

Luvpie.8350:

Will SoS mind if TC got NA guilds? kitten no. It would beat hopping borderlands to find STUN/Zzz or NAGA/FUNK/MC on maps to look for fights instead of sup acs.

I know this might come as a shock to you, but you’d get better fights from both FA and TC if you didn’t have the entire server stacked into a map hopping blob.

Luvpie.8350:

RP a little and get over it.

Hurr. You funny.

Chris.3290:

TC, let’s make this 2v1; SoR is going rack up massive PvDoor points during the work week against both of us; so let’s not get up in each other’s faces so much (looking at you PINK)

TC spent almost the entire night attacking SoR in the south on SoS BL. First thing SoS does when they get garrison back is to try to take TC’s spawn tower, losing Garrison again to SoR. Don’t think PiNK is your problem.

The TLDR is that telling another server they only won because they 2v1ed isn’t going to get you anywhere.

wookie.8934:

Tallis.5607:

Rosy.5194:

if you’re not in a big guild, or at least not in a WvW-heavy guild, you have basically no support, no communication, no engagement whatsoever. If you don’t happen to trip and fall into a WvW portal, there’s no way to even know what the point is, or why you might be needed as a new WvWer.

And if you ARE in WvW but not wanting to follow the zerg (for whatever reason), there’s absolutely no attempt to, say, explain the mechanics of scouting. Or sitting on siege equipment in a tower. Or heck, doing anything at all other than sitting around in the citadel wondering what to do next.

Well, at TC we have several people (like Jadon with his weekly lessons on Thursdays helped by Theon & Coral with his TC University) that explain WvW to new players, with a patience that everyone admires.

And every day, people explain in TC map chat basic WvW concepts as ‘what are the blue icons’, ‘what is supply’, ‘why kill Yaks’ and give the mumble coordinates.

That’s the advantage of a RP server, I think. The communities on RP servers tend to be nicer than on other servers. At least that’s what it feels like, in every MMO I ever played.

Anyways, score update…

It’s a shame you guys have to zerg in order to get anything accomplished at all. I have yet to encounter a TC with his/her salt in a 1v1 or even small ops scenarios. Just doesn’t happen.

Oh and RP-ers teaching RP-ers WvW. That’s rich. Thanks for the laugh.

Keeping it classy. Glad you guys went to FA instead of TC.

JPSnow.8296:

All I got to say is wow. TC will do anything to win…. Destroy a server by recruiting in there private servers forum and paying them to transfer. Trying to get kain to call a truce with them to double team FA, play 16 hours straight and try to steal guilds from FA. I commend the efforts but I know I would never go that low to win…..

Eyeroll. Hyperbole much? I thought TC acted badly when SoR got SBI transfers. But no guilds have even moved to TC yet and the sky has already fallen in FA, land where they don’t care about PPT so theoretically this shouldn’t even matter to them. One guy from KN posts some random crap about a truce, despite the fact that KN has had their third of TCBL for like 3 or 4 days straight during NA prime time with no presence in FA, and OMG CONSPIRACY.

If you don’t care about winning, then stop complaining about losing. This entire thread needs to grow up and get some perspective. Also, learning to double check facts is a good skill to have in life in general.

This entire thread is getting trolled so hard, and everyone is licking it up. It’s amazing.

Quenta.2978:

I could do what a lot of people do when describing the current state of affairs of a particular tier: a wall of text. Instead, this video aptly displays the current state of Tier 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PhJAQgBiO0

GUYS I WANT ATTENTION.

Did I get it right?

All of these “the sky is falling” posts are just too funny. It’s like people think that a 150 man guild will have 150 people out in WvW every night for 5 hours straight or something.

Hellride.6571:

I cant believe you want more transfers to your server TC i thought this was your downtime yet you outnumber kain and fa

Are you blaming TC for the other two servers not playing? FA has the best oceanic crew in the tier. They just chose not to play tonight.

Haldunius.7864:

rhyein.6172:

Out of curiosity, were you this concerned when all the IoJ guilds came to FA and destroyed balance in T3? Honest question here.

Fair question. And I would say, there was little balance in T3 — especially compared to T1/T2 right now. TC dominated FA and CD. And then CD dominated FA and IoJ. FA and Ioj merged and dominated CD and moved on.

Link to mos: http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/17#NA

2 weeks before: http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/15#NA
Week before: http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/16#NA

Week after: http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/18#NA

The tier was balanced, then CD had a good week, and as a result IoJ merged into FA/ditched to T1 servers.

Also, keep in mind that the reason this seems so tier breaking is because KN is doing worse than expected, but the recruiting happened during a time period where WM dominated SEA and as a result, KN always won by a fair margin. Assuming WM stays on KN and start doing what they did before, these transfers will make the tier more competitive, not the other way around.

But really, it’s not like TC, or any guilds who may or may not transfer on the server, has an obligation to justify themselves.

Haldunius.7864:

Lanimal.6541:

Haldunius.7864:

You guys are conveniently leaving out your EU presence. FA – Oceanic; TC -EU; KN – SEA; Everyone – N/A free for all of chaos.

Sure but what about your SEA guilds fighting against all odds against Kainengs SEA forces? Or your Euro guilds…I dont know if FA has any mostly just your NA guys logging in early.

Do you not think that fighting in such timezones (although very rewarding at times when being successful at ninjas and smart map hopping) doesn’t eventually lead to burnout?

In terms of overall score and how close the rating is hell yeah this is a competitive tier but once you break down each timezone and look at the player spread across all timezones its not. There is still potential for this tier to be even better than it is provided we all get that little extra help in our coverage gaps. I believe T2 can reach that without becoming megaservers.

I agree with what you’re saying. The burnout for each tiers counter is something to be aware of (i.e. our SEA fighting KN or your guys fighting our Oceanic). The issue is these players are such a limited quantity that they are like diamonds. Also, they paid for a game so they typically want to do more than PvDoor, so they often migrate to the T1’s (understandable).

The issue to me – is this makes you guys a T1.5. And there just aren’t enough EU/SEA guilds to sprinkle between FA and KN in this situation to maintain that precarious balance. You’ll have N/A, EU, and potentially significant SEA (I have no idea what your numbers will be, but just for theory’s sake). T2 is kind of like N/A plus 1 primetime. I’m glad that’s going to work out for you guys, but it’s probably going to destabilize the tier (again, assuming those numbers are significant).

Who knows. It may do nothing and I just wasted a box of kleenex for no reason.

Out of curiosity, were you this concerned when all the IoJ guilds came to FA and destroyed balance in T3? Honest question here.

Combination of both. TC has a huge PvE population, so the WvW patch probably helped us out more than other servers.

Bursts.1540:

Sunspots.9861:

Ready or not, here [PiNK] comes. See you on the battlefield!

nothing more then a giant zerg

So salty.

shortcake.8659:

no, your point gain is from having about twice as many people in wvw than the other two servers have. your point loss is from said commanders having no clue how to play wvw other than massing 80 people into a zerg and losing every point they aren’t at.

Someone’s been drinking the kool-aid.

PS: Where are the score updates?

Really, who cares?

Are Kaineng players seriously bragging about being the dominating factor during SEA prime time, of which neither TC nor FA have any appreciable coverage? Sorry we aren’t putting up a good fight when most of our players are asleep or at work. Reading the last page of the forums was pretty depressing.

Also Squad has 30 man limit I believe. A lot of times you’re running groups much bigger than that.

Sorry to hear things didn’t work out for you like you hoped on SoS.

The top 2 tiers will have good coverage across all the NA time zones with the -possible- exception of Kaineng.

Drakh.3128:

nibbles.2408:

Would someone from TC who plays in the SEA time against Meow/WM send me a PM? I noticed you guys kept your garrison this morning, and I’m looking for some advice as to how you managed that. Over on FABL we faced at least 50 KN invaders who (after we took out their 5 golems) just dps’ed the door down, so there was nothing our 15 defenders could do.

It’s a little frustrating to say the least, so I’m wondering if you guys are doing something differently than we are, have more people, or just aren’t getting as much attention because KN wants to keep us down in points.

Btw this is not a “Night Capping” or “PvD” complaint, I am just looking for information and this is the best possible forum to do so.

Last week with FA in third and TC in second, FA was KN’s focus because FA was the easiest points to steel, this week FA is in second so they are being focused as they are the biggest threat. Just means KN considers FA the real threat while TC is just a lost puppy following them around picking up the scraps with no chance of ever beating them.

FA keeps figuring out our 2v1 tactics. :’(

I told you guys the “we hate each other” ruse wasn’t going to work forever!

JPSnow.8296:

For some reason FA always didn’t do great in reset day usually the next day we come on strong. Though I’m going to a festival today so won’t be on, looking forward to hangover loot bags tomorrow though, or getting my butt kicked really drunk in about 10 hours…..

It’s because reset doesn’t happen during oceanic prime time.

Expunge.4926:

I know the threads are still there, that’s why i quoted one of them.
If you don’t think rivalries are fun, there are plenty of noncompetitive options for you.

and I’m specifically referring to the fact that in the earlier TC FA matchups TC was not much stronger than FA at all, we had very close matchups until TC received transfers. For some reason some of you spent lots of time denying an influx of players and basically told us to keep practicing because eventually we’ll improve.

I have no shame for receiving the oceanic transfers that helped us improve to a point where we can compete again.

You’re delusional. The score gap increased because FA’s fairweathers gave up. That’s what the commanders on your own server told me when we chatted during the match-up in whispers. It’s the exact same reason FA dominated DB so hard in the past few weeks when the match-up was much closer when DB first entered the tier. Go ahead and name any WvW guilds that TC got during the TC/FA match-ups. These things are fairly well documented, so you can do that easily right? This is pretty much exactly what I meant when I said that you shouldn’t blame your issues on someone else.

Regardless, TC and FA will be sitting in T2 together within a month. We can see how it goes then.

FA spent the entirety of their match-up with TC spewing insults about how TC was bad and only had numbers etc etc, and then got kitten when TC players defended themselves. Then they trolled the cross-server event, bragged about it endlessly, made fun of people trying to get some cross-server respect going on, and complained when they got reduced to 0 PPT during NA prime-time the next day. Even now, the FA community forums are all about how having a civil match-up thread (like the BG/TC/Kaineng thread from the last three weeks) was “disgusting” and how it “needed more hostility”.

The old match-up threads are still there, anyone can go read them. Don’t rewrite history, and don’t blame your issues on someone else.

In case no one got it, that was sarcasm and a reference to the TC/FA/CD match-up threads.

So much bitter from people not even in the tier.

TIMMEH.8106:

Wouldn’t TC rather stay in T2 on their own accomplishments, rather then be assisted by there current match enemy?

I realize that FA thinks everything is about them, but there’s no grand conspiracy to keep them out of T2, no matter what the people posting on your community forums seem to think. Even if that’s the case, maybe it’s a sign that portraying yourselves as a bunch of wannabe “serial killers” and belittling the servers and guilds (except the ones you’re courting to transfer over) you’re competing against isn’t having quite the effect you want to have.

Yep. BG is too big for the tier now. That’s the sad truth. Hopefully TC will see you guys in the future somewhere.

People forget that it’s a game and that the other side wants to have fun too, or they’ll take their ball and go home. Some people don’t care. Take your pick.

Jeknar.6184:

rhyein.6172:

It requires people to do things that have 0 rewards and are intrinsically boring. Sentrying is only fun if your objective actually gets attacked. Sit in a keep for 2 hours while no one attacks it and see how much you like the change. All the people saying how white swords serve the same function have no idea what they’re talking about. It takes 3 thieves to contest every objective on the map. Good luck making heads or tails of that.

Tell me how fun and rewarding is escorting dolyaks…

It isn’t. We shouldn’t be changing things to require more of it. That’s the point. The argument “there are already boring but necessary things in the game, so it’s okay to make more boring things necessary” is inherently flawed. How many of you arguing that this is okay actually will be the ones sentrying a keep? Not too many I imagine.

It requires people to do things that have 0 rewards and are intrinsically boring. Sentrying is only fun if your objective actually gets attacked. Sit in a keep for 2 hours while no one attacks it and see how much you like the change. All the people saying how white swords serve the same function have no idea what they’re talking about. It takes 3 thieves to contest every objective on the map. Good luck making heads or tails of that.

I’m sure DB would be thrilled.

Yeah, the swords change is bad.

Esoteric.5490:

And at is was then that the entirety of PiNK deleted their thieves and rerolled even more confusion mesmers.

Not to upset your cheerios, but you know you can still perm stealth in keeps without CnDing off walls right?

idari.4273:

rhyein.6172:

Also, the righteous indignation change sucks. Maybe the timer should be lowered to 3 minutes or something, at least for camps.

actually it doesn’t. Now you are forced to move some bodies to your camps to prevent the flip around min 05:00~00:00. This encourage the zerg-split a lot, which is good imho.

Splitting your zerg isn’t going to do anything if the enemy team takes a zerg and does a loop around the map. You’ll still have to zerg up and counter them. The change isn’t all bad, but 5 minutes is just too long on a camp.

Also, the righteous indignation change sucks. Maybe the timer should be lowered to 3 minutes or something, at least for camps.

It means you can’t drop a portal on one side of the gate and have people on the other side take it.

I kind of wish the guilds transferring would’ve at least waited until the week ended. T2 was already hard going, now it’s impossible.

Saying scouts aren’t important is very very wrong. The difference between a zerg that has good scouts and a zerg without any is night and day.

It’s just anet employees playing the game. I’ve seen them on many servers so it’s nothing special.

Right now, any guild that moves to TC are guaranteed a few things:

1) Great competition. Both BG and Kaineng have good around the clock coverage, so you will be fighting people no matter what time zone you play in. There will be very little, if any, PvDooring.

2) Big impact. TC has very few dedicated WvW guilds, I would go so far as to say that we number among the fewest out of the top 8 servers. It’s these guilds and the militia of the server that have kept us where we are, and any additions will make a big impact on the server, and, in turn, have the opportunity to make a name for themselves.

3) Stability. Over the course of the last -five months-, TC has had the smallest amount of movement as far as guilds go, at least in the top 3 tiers. We’ve lost one guild that I can think of, and gained 3-4. Many people rolled on the server for things other than WvW success, which means that they are less likely to leave the moment things get rough. If you are tired of moving to a server only to get abandoned once things start going south, you should consider TC.

Nilkemia.8507:

The maps being required for 100% completion when the other 95% was PvE content.

You’re right. There should be more WvW maps.

Right now, if you go into WvW, the only option that shows up in the right click context menu for all players is “report”, even if they are on your server. The biggest impact of this is that you can’t kick offline players from your party, but it also makes it incredibly inconvenient to whisper, invite, join, guild kick, etc from WvW. I haven’t heard this mentioned much so I figured I’d ask if there was any plan to fix this in the upcoming patches.

I don’t think anyone’s going to be convincing anyone of anything here, especially since all three servers do it. Just report it if you see it and think it’s illegal and move on.

We shouldn’t have to leave players to sentry keeps either. That’s boring.

Elwin.2583:

Lanimal.6541:

Actually Tarnished Coast (RP server in NA) fought their way to Tier 2 slightly before Piken and is still here going strong but we have mad respect for Piken for achieving the same feat as well.

TC is still there probably because math on points is broken … Its loosing hard over and over … Piken can keep up with T2 easily, thats different.

Can they really?

Personally, I find it really stupid that gates can be autoattacked down by a 40 man zerg in relatively little time, but it’s just part of the game. Same with this.

Winning servers get outmanned buff too quite frequently too.

If arenanet wants to entice more players into WvW, the obvious solution is to offer the same variety of rewards from there that you can get in PvE. Right now, all you can get is P/T/V armor and weapons with ugly skins, worth a ridiculous amount of badges.

pot.6805:

Ah, so that must be why KN took every single thing in TC BL.

Because four people would’ve made a huge difference right? C’mon.

Any servers notice their vale camp not giving double supply when upgraded?