Guild Wars 2

despite you can change your build/gear in PvP for free but like it or not, WvW has more build diversity way more than PvP.

in PvP “Play the meta or go home”.

zapv.8051:

Skills, Traits, stats, and sigils need to be the same in all game types. New players need to be able to step into wvw after or while leveling a character and not change their builds. Everyone on the forums doesn’t see this because most people on the forums have played many mmos and play a lot. While this would be an issue for anyone in this forum, consider the new players that would be confused and likely quit.

power builds already on the decline and soon quit.

also add some “Fus Ro Dah” sound like to it :P

anyone with half a brain knows that condis are an issue in WvW roaming.

even before the patch they were OP, now they are ruling that part with heavy condi/bunker builds, just one small example : +175% bleed duration, just shout loud OP, still i refuse to run a cheasy condi builds.

but also this patch made it easier to deal a bit with them.

i have in the bag a set of armor with Melandru runes and weapons with sigils of Generosity/Purity, i get out of combat, retrait, wear armor/weapons, slot cleanse skills and get back to that heavy condi dude.

but what about the average player ?, with “if you cant beat them, join them” mentality.

also, aren’t we killing diversity in WvW roaming ? with suggestion like run(Melandru / Sunless / Hoelbrak / Resistance) or don’t even bother.

TLDR : check this post

Defense is one of our staple trait lines alongside Discipline currently.

With the new changes coming to core traits like picking a whole line and the inability to take an adept/master trait in the place of a Grandmaster, then Defense traits distribution is in a total mess and have some serious problems.

The fact that we will likely still get locked into Defense line just like the current state, if that is so then we at least need this line to be better tweaked.

So to begin and to simplify things, Defense got 3 Major problems :

• 1) Weak traits “Thick Skin” & “Cull the Weak”
• 2) Black Hole trait “Cleansing Ire”
• 3) Traits distribution

Lets explain these problems :

In adept we have 3 heavy weight great traits competing against each other, at first glance you would mistook it for a Grandmaster tier not adept.
“Shield Master”, “Dogged March” & “Armored Attack”, and since you cant pick 2 adept traits, these traits needs to be spread out a bit.

In Master we have Cleansing Ire a Black Hole trait, The whole trait line will be picked for just this trait and as a Major trait then no matter what 2 trait you pair it with Cleansing Ire will literally EAT it, Yes the changes coming to Mending and Brawler’s Recovery could shake things up a bit but still CI will be picked not just for condi cleansing but also for Adrenaline generating.

In Grandmaster we got some good traits but not worthy of a GM status, Adept & Master are far better than the GM.

We also have WEAK traits “Thick Skin” & “Cull the Weak”, that either not worthy or will never get picked.

for better visualizing this, check dulfy calculater
http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AggDqAKoBKg~

Lets start addressing these issues one by one:

^^^

Dude you broke one of the ten commandments.

Never and Never mention “Warrior” & “survivability” in the same line, It makes Anet go nuts, thanks to you they went DEFCON 3 there.

Zefrost.3425:

Stealth needs to be changed to work exactly like the adrenaline change. It’s called balance, guys. Stealth is WAY more forgiving than adrenaline.

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- Guardian activated aegis when you stealthed? Good, he counterplayed you. I’m sure you’ll just stealth again in 4 seconds again anyway while his aegis is on a 90s cooldown.

- Necromancer used well of darkness and you missed? He counterplayed you with a 50s cooldown. Your stealth is on a 4s cooldown.

- Thief spamming evades while you’re stealthed? Nice, you’re both overpowered.

- Warrior used his shield block while you stealthed? Cool, he’s actually playing the game. His block is now on a 25s cooldown while you can stealth again in 4s.

- Meditation guardian using multiple sources of block, blind and evades while you’re stealthed? He’s using cooldowns to randomly try to mitigate your overpowered skills with no telegraphs because you’re INVISIBLE.

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If warriors could use burst skills while in invisible every 4 seconds and spam EVISCERATE EVISCERATE EVISCERATE EVISCERATE until it hits as well, the game would definitely reach esports status.

QFTT

^^^

speak for yourself.

I need all the damage i can get, just go pvp and check out that “35%” not even enough.

That not a simple swap but is gutting GS

Anet Fixed Defiant Stance

Renamed it Infuse Light

Gave it to Revenant

o_O

Cull the Weak Increases 5% damage to wakened foes. Striking a foe below the 25% health threshold inflicts weakness.

This trait is paired with Cleansing Ire, it will never get picked up, in fact as a major trait it will never get picked up anywhere.
its just not weak enough to be better deleted like “Desperate Power” and not good enough to be considered a Major trait.

So ,,make it a Minor trait, this will be the best solution i can think of for this trait and give the Weakness Application a 10-15s cooldown .

Thick Skin Gain extra armor while your health is above the threshold (90%).

This trait is just bad not even worth a minor, i think i’m not going far for saying its the worst trait for Warrior ever.

So should we just delete it or make it a real trait ? That is the question.

I have a suggestion for this trait that you might find cool.

Since ANET deleted Desperate Power and I agree with that decision, that trait is just useless and it never get picked, so i thought why not merge Thick Skin + Desperate Power and make it a real trait renamed to something cool like:

Reactive Armor Gain extra armor (+150 toughness) while your health is above the threshold 75%, You deal additional damage +20% while below the health threshold 25%.

Now this is a trait worthy of a Major status not a minor any more, think of the synergy with Defy Pain & Last Stand , this is your new far improved YOLO warrior build.

PvP gets heavily balanced
PvE gets heavily balanced

WvW …….. whats that ? …….. ahhhhh, just copy paste our PvE dungeon balance for them.

sincerely,
Balance team

here you go

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/warrior/

“Warriors are masters of weaponry who rely on speed, strength, toughness, and heavy armor to survive in battle.”

are you sure its a Warrior ? or a Guardian using Banish ?

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

I used to disagree with FH being baseline for warrior, but now after playing it a lot more, I have come around and it definitely suits the class as a baseline.

+1

lol

It only took you 2 years.

before the patch i used to transmute my gear just to preserve the rune in it, now you can’t.

now your only choice to keep the armor and runes is Upgrade Extractor.

i keep testing builds and try different things but with the cost of Upgrade Extractor which cost now about 25g for just one Upgrade Extractor and you need 150g!! to extract one set of armor.

i thought this patch meant to make it easier for players to try new builds.

To be honest, i am having a blast with core warrior, core warrior never been this fun.

If they are indeed making Elites as a “An option not a must” then they are on the right track, still a bit of balancing needed here and there.

Since we made Thick skin a real trait > Reactive Armor, it should be a Major trait.

We also moved Cull the weak to be a Minor trait.

Also we assume Cleansing Ire will be a Minor trait, defiantly will take Spiked Armor spot.

So to arrange these traits having in mind how Heavy is Adept tier compared to Master and Grandmaster.

Then i suggest this distribution for our Defense traits :

Minors :

• Cull the weak.
• Adrenal Health.
• Cleansing Ire.

Adept :

• Reactive Armor.
• Dogged March.
• Spiked Armor.

Master :

• Sundering Mace.
• Armored Attack.
• Defy Pain.

Grandmaster :

• Rousing Resilience.
• Last Stand.
• Shield Master.

Check the attached image below :

BurrTheKing.8571:

it would probably make more sense to just remove the trait entirely, then adjust weapon CDs to compensate.

Which will not happen.

When it comes to Warrior balancing, Anet always chose the easier hustle free route.

yeah it also needs some cool sound effect and shout, something like Fus Ru Dah.

Yes
Message Body length must at least be 15.

Racists!

Ellen won just because she is a human female

Rytlock kills Kormir in the mist and absorbs her power.

I Vote to Delete This Thread…

Want a bigger lie ?

“Warriors are masters of weaponry who rely on speed,…..blah blah blah”
Arenanet

since i do WvW all the time Empyreal Fragments is not an issue but im having a problem getting Dragonite ore and 3-4 per keep lord is pathetic

Sarrs.4831:

…errrr

but why?

Why <- is a long story

Short answer : Play Warrior

i think STR line is pretty good with coming changes, no need to add anything there.

^^^

so WvW to you is just bunkering the hell up ?

well that is your choice, but you are killing the diversity of WvW somthing even PvP doesnt have, you are doing the same what ANet doing now, killing diversity & forcing everyone to go Bunker-condi.

how come bersekers OP ?

when they use all 3 stats Power-precision-crit to max damage with no defense of any kind, while condis can have max toughness/vitality and over the top DPS in form of conditions.

yet crit dmg getting nerfed………………………………………………………………….

is this an oversight from ANet ?, it cant be that they wanted this for WvW .

i get the message (Sorry, this area isn’t available yet. Please check back later. Try going back home?)

in Warrior forum.

TOTALLY AGREED.

i use “Fast-Cast Ground Targeting” and when trying to use at max range it always a guessing game.

legit…………………

nah in PvP i dont think its good unless it gets a big CD reduction but in WvW for me its a must have.

If you want to play Warrior then play it like a thief, +1 fights and abuse mobility to rotate other points, that is the only thing that worked a bit for me ( i would get rid of hammer n use sword).

But even so, sometimes you must accept Warrior’s current weakness compared to the others.

this nerf will kill every roaming power build, go bunker-condi or meet the repair NPC

i got a normal ping but unbelievable +3s skill lag.

+1

yeah ANet you should really work on marketing, you have a really good game but to be honest you got one of the worst marketing.

just today i wanted to watch the TCG vs Boon final, i couldn’t find it on youtube or twitch highlight, the only way to see it is to go to twitch past recording and search it within the full 4 hours video.

no moving CI to grandmaster is a bad idea, in this meta will mean that every warrior build will put 6 in defense as basic before looking to any other tree line.

a t s e.9614:

Cleansing ire not OP, berserk stance is OP.

hey hey , how about Conditions are OP ?!

when ANet addresses conditions mess then and only then we can talk about Cleansing ire and zerk stance.

I have to admit Condi Warrior is now a thing in PvE.

tried to do Extreme mode for the last HoT story, Power just failed, for Canach you simply need condi as there is no way to break his bar which means power is useless against him, Even Eir and her dog burned so fast.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAT5enMdAdeg9dAukCcigFoA7IBGASZJrgWQu7t1Ob3tA-TRiAQBQUtgzdQAumyvAu/AAeAAR7CA6AqmqOrQzAbUCSKAYWWB-e

^^^

you have to damage it enough, in my book 1k dmg at least, even to towers/keeps gates if hadn’t killed guards ofc.

wow finally we got WvW changes Nerfs.

And the passive Tower/Camp upgrades just wow.

yeah definitely something needs to be done its too slow like a fast walk.

RIP Maintenance Oil

lol

You don’t need to use Bull’s Charge for just the CC.

You use it to KILL xD, It hits for Almost 6k damage now.

Rytlock meets Kormir in the Mist ?

adozu.6398:

or else? you going to spank them?

hes just gonna QQ about Waqqiors QQing about Waqqior nerf.

coz he zays Waqqiorz IZ zo OPz..

before the patch i used to transmute my gear just to preserve the rune in it, now you can’t.
now your only choice to keep the armor and runes is Upgrade Extractor.
i keep testing builds and try different things but with the cost of Upgrade Extractor which cost now about 25g for just one Upgrade Extractor and you need 150g!! to extract one set of armor.
i thought this patch meant to make it easier for players to try new builds.

until now i lost more than 200g, i got some expensive runes put on unsalvageable armor but still buying the runes again is cheaper than paying 150g to extract them.

shield is fine.

if there is any need for improvement then i suggest merging (Missile Deflection) & (Shield Master) into One trait.

naphack.9346:

Do crits against naked uplevels count?

well of course it does xD

I’m not a PvE guy and not that toxic.

But you really kittened me off when you considered a nerf to Forceful GS.

I’ll just leave this here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Forceful-Greatsword-trait-buff-suggestion/first

Play Mesmer.

Its the new far improved thief.