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So what happened to that giant flower in the trailer?
You mean the one from our scouting mission way back when? It’s the boss of the Silverwastes meta.
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I don’t think Mordy is fully awakened yet. When Elder Dragons fully wake up, it’s rather hard to miss. Although I must say, Mordy sure is taking a long time to get out of bed.
Not so long, considering there was a 42 year gap between the first destroyer activity and Primordus properly awakening. Depending on what you want to use as an equivalent, it’s been six years since Scarlet first made mental contact with Mordremoth, about one since she redirected the ley line into it, and less than a year since the tendrils were first observed.
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Even as things stood before Wynne was after 3+however many Vorpp killed secondborn. She was at no point the first to die. What’s going on is it was established years ago that Riannoc was the first to die, whoever did the ep. 7 dialogue forgot, and so Mr. Stein went back for us and made sure that mistake was fixed.
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Is it THAT hard to put [spoiler] in the title???
Over and over and over and over again.
EDIT : Not to mention the title is a spoiler.
My advice, based off personal struggles with that problem? If spoilers are a big deal for you, don’t stake your enjoyment on everyone on the forums doing the thoughtful thing. Just stay clear of this section until you’ve done any new content for yourself.
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All of the dragons aside from Mordremoth have been awake at the same time, so far. And so far, none of them have bothered to interact. but it does bring up a neat point that so far, Mordremoth was the only one that really spread so far into other dragon “territories” I guess. I wonder if that will have any impact on things.
I don’t know about that. He stopped just shy of the Brand, and has only hit the Shiverpeaks far south of even the Sons of Svanir.
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That was actually the first thing I thought of. I just don’t have the slightest notion what that shared characteristic actually means.
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Depends on where that series of events sits on the timeline. If the source of the Tree’s immunity comes from before Ronan found her, odds are the rest of those seeds, Malyck’s probably included, got the same treatment. More curious is why Malyck doesn’t remember the Dream, which we’ve been given to understand is the vector for sylvari immunity (or, I guess, the Mordrem overmind… an interpretation of data I find baffling, but equally valid in my current point). Guesses can and have been made, but at this stage they’re bridging a gap in our knowledge with bendy straws and chewing gum.
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Is it possible that those who are prone to Mordremoth’s influence and go mad are those who choose to be Soundless? Not every sylvari so far has been willing to follow the tenets of Ventari and they either end up being Soundless or they join the Nightmare Court.
That’s definitely what we were being led to in S2. I don’t think that’s quite the whole story, though. The shared allies with the Nightmare Court, the new thorny projections off Faolain’s back as she fights alongside a mordrem troll, the seemingly vast number of sylvari that turned on the Pact fleet… I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the first two sylvari by a long shot we see serving Mordremoth are Soundless, but the trailer makes me doubt that all of them going forward will be.
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Yeah. Odds are they changed the Sylvari to be more “beautiful”, because ugly/monstrous races are generally not favored by players.
What about the Charr? XD
To be fair, the charr do have the smallest share of the playerbase among all the races, according to the first anniversary figures.
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Actually, Getefix, we’ve been told the opposite- that disconnecting from the Dream, either by Soundlessness or whatever Scarlet did, leaves one much more vulnerable to Mordremoth. That alone I believe makes a very convincing point against the Dream being tied to Mordremoth.
We don’t know anything conclusive about the Nightmare, but it may be worth mentioning that the first Mordrem we encountered, besides the tendrils which may or may not be part of Mordremoth’s body, were the nightmare hounds and husks we’d previously seen serving the Nightmare Court and being investigated in the Inquest’s dragon lab.
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I don’t know about you, but I didn’t see any seeds in there.
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I think Evon’s angle would be riding a popular hate movement to power- something that’s had frequent success in real-world politics. Kiel, meanwhile, would essentially be in a position of turning on a chunk of her constituency- not to mention she’s a painful enough do-gooder to give Logan a run for his money.
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that_shaman’s overlay is updated. He puts Ventari’s refuge just off the western edge of southwestern Dry Top.
As for the circular area, didn’t that have a pretty significant chunk cut out of it? If there was a city there, we should have seen it.
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Chiming in to report the Riannoc line has indeed been altered. Malomedies now says “We went so long without losing one of our own, but first Riannoc and now three of our newly awakened have been killed. This is unacceptable.”
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Which is weird enough on its own. You’d think Caithe might have mentioned to her dear brother ‘hey, that thing you’re rushing to engage? I thought you should know you and a fifth of your forces have a latent predisposition to obeying it." Especially considering that she tells us when we find her that it doesn’t really matter who knows anymore.
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That’s one source. I know dwarvern texts have been mentioned as a source in the past as well.
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As much as I would prefer to see the Court remain independent, I will point out that during that sequence we also saw a mordrem troll fighting on their side. As for how they’re vulnerable… assuming, for the moment, that nightmare isn’t inherently Mordremoth corruption, we also see sylvari turn in large numbers on the airship fleet. Unless there just conveniently happens to be a huge proportion of Soundless among Pact sylvari, that would mean that the Dream is no longer guaranteed protection.
Or that being so close to Mordremoth, which the Pact must have been hence the bombing and the point of their attack, makes Sylvari far far more susceptible to the point at which the Dream is no longer an adequate protection?
Or that poking Mordremoth with cannonballs kittened him off enough to put effort into taking sylvari… there are possibilities. I’m not favoring any particular one just yet, just observing that one way or another the Dream (or Pale Tree, however immunity works into your personal theories) seems to no longer be foolproof protection.
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Hm… works fine for me. Maybe it’s just taking a bit to load? Anyway, it’s at the bottom of Zhaitan’s page on the wiki, if you want to get there manually.
For behemoth- no real reason to think it’s separate creatures, is there? I’m not surprised there’s not more of them- it apparently comes from the Underworld, and Godlost Swamp seems to be the only place messed up enough for something so large to squeeze through to Tyria.
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What bothers me about the Wynne development is that Caithe basically said “no kitten the Pale Tree knows how she died, all she had to do was look into the Dream”. How does that square up with the premise of an entire PS arc being that no one knew, Pale Tree included, how Riannoc died?
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Apparently, the five we know all come from surviving texts in the next rise. As for how they know it… your idea of introductions might be the right one, actually. Lots of the dragon minions capable of speech tend to shout their master’s name, after all, although that might still leave Primordus as an odd lizard out.
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The Ghostly Hero himself, when you first meet him in Amnoon in GW1, tells you he’s Turai Ossa, well before that name actually meant anything to us.
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Our character, when talking to Caithe, indicates that they’re at least considering making the information public. It’s possible our good intentions cause that mess.
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As much as I would prefer to see the Court remain independent, I will point out that during that sequence we also saw a mordrem troll fighting on their side. As for how they’re vulnerable… assuming, for the moment, that nightmare isn’t inherently Mordremoth corruption, we also see sylvari turn in large numbers on the airship fleet. Unless there just conveniently happens to be a huge proportion of Soundless among Pact sylvari, that would mean that the Dream is no longer guaranteed protection.
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To expand on what Bruno said, from launch to the Pavillion a year later, that district was just a massive hole in the ground with no one living in it. The idea for a Canthan district, as far as I know, didn’t even make it into the betas.
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All we know about that corner is that it’s labeled something like “dissection lab”.
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It did have tendrils, though, just longer and curving down around its legs. Looking back, I’m leaning towards seer more because it looks like it has that grown-in mantle thing rising behind its head. It’s still hardly conclusive though, and really I’d be able to accept it being either one.
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Ah, yes, my mistake. As for exile, it’s possible, but the ashes are Kunai’s, and what we know of him is that he was left to rule after his father took off and that his next of kin ruled after him. The last suggests he wasn’t driven out in disgrace, so unless he too had a benign reason to abandon his duties, he should have died in Kourna.
I haven’t gotten that far, yet, so . . . still speculating.
Divine Fire was the name of the “buff” which you were given at Augury Rock, by the way. Interesting tidbit.
No, Kunai’s history doesn’t come from the patch. It was in the Nightfall manual. In-game all we get is ‘These are the ashes of Kunai Ossa’.
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Personally, I’d default to fire, but I think it’s probably a mistake to trim it down to just an elemental rock-paper-scissors. Of more concern are availability of subjects, both locations and quantity, the unknown limitations of technology (that the device seems to have not worked at CoE but did work seemingly rather shortly thereafter in Arah makes me wonder if it can be overridden so long as the master dragon is alive), and the aforementioned ethical concerns- no point in adopting the technology it it causes desertions that cost just as much, if not more, power than was gained.
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Although that begs the question of how the Priory got a hold of the ashes of Turai Ossa’s son (who stayed in Elona and didn’t accompany his father on his botched Ascension), but doesn’t have a single one of the seals forgotten dropped like pocket change in the Crystal Desert.
That doesn’t beg the question, it raises the question.
As for how . . . it is possible he had a son in exile? After all, I seem to recall a lot of what happened to the pilgrims is unspoken of aside from small bits and pieces.
And the seals? I bet there aren’t many which survived. As common as summoning stones were back in the day, they’re spoken of like rare antiquities now. Even the Fire Imp one which a lot of people apparently had, hmmm?
Ah, yes, my mistake. As for exile, it’s possible, but the ashes are Kunai’s, and what we know of him is that he was left to rule after his father took off and that his next of kin ruled after him. The last suggests he wasn’t driven out in disgrace, so unless he too had a benign reason to abandon his duties, he should have died in Kourna.
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I’d prefer them as expendable shock troopers, but… I think the problem here is that it’d be deemed too ‘immoral’. Killing risen is treated as putting them to rest. Using them like this would be seen as enslaving them, especially by people who have had comrades or loved ones become corrupted. As traumatizing as the Orr campaign supposedly was, that’d be a massive “kitten you” to the soldiers who made it possible.
Then how about Destroyers?
Presumably more ethical. With them it’d only be a practical concern of the limitations of the device and both locating and rounding up a large supply of them.
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ignoring the fact that firstborn Sylvari apparently have shoot divine fire out of their noses when they sneeze (how else did all three of them get into the cave when we can’t?),.
Said in the first instance that Wynne had a forgotten seal (presumably the same one we end up with) which is what was supposed to be used to get in. Our fire solution was just a slapdash workaround since we didn’t have access to the real thing.
Although that begs the question of how the Priory got a hold of the ashes of Turai Ossa’s son (who stayed in Elona and didn’t accompany his father on his botched Ascension), but doesn’t have a single one of the seals forgotten dropped like pocket change in the Crystal Desert.
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I’d prefer them as expendable shock troopers, but… I think the problem here is that it’d be deemed too ‘immoral’. Killing risen is treated as putting them to rest. Using them like this would be seen as enslaving them, especially by people who have had comrades or loved ones become corrupted. As traumatizing as the Orr campaign supposedly was, that’d be a massive “kitten you” to the soldiers who made it possible.
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Nothing in that mentions the druids…
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3 would be interesting, but it would be contingent on the Pale Tree waking up. At this point, looking back on the season and seeing it as just a series of plots being set up, and figuring that the Pale Tree has more knowledge to give us than the narrative would find convenient, I fully expect her to die.
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Malyck might be a descendant of Ewan’s tribe of Humans turned Plants by Melandru for all we know….
This might explain certain Sylvari’s reactions to him.
Hopefully Malyck is what I and others suspect and aids us with the help of other members of Ewan’s tribe against Mordremoth in the final battle of Heart of Thorns.
It has been stated that Ewan’s tribe became the Druids.
Mind sharing where? I don’t buy into his theory myself, but I’ve never seen definitive proof against it.
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The Dragon Minion hybrids created by the Inquest obey the Inquest itself so whatever they’ve done makes them their Dragon Minions.
Except they didn’t. The minions butchered the Inquest as soon as they weren’t trapped in their cells. Even Kudu’s Monster wasn’t let loose until Kudu was dead, so we have only his corruption-addled word to go on.
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Not that I’d claim to be a ‘loremaster’, but my suspicion at this point is that the Dream has nothing to do with the Elder Dragons, but is the result of the Forgotten ritual and breaks mental corruption- reasoning here being that we know the sylvari are supposed to be Mordrem, we know the Dream is what stops that from happening, and we know the only process we’ve ever heard of that breaks corruption is the Forgotten ritual. It would also explain how Glint had knowledge of the future beyond what’s possible as a telepath- we’ve personally experienced that the Dream can show the future, or at least a version of it.
What that would mean for Twitchy is… possibly concerning.
Anyway, by this theory, Malyck would be exactly as the Pale Tree sylvari are, just quite possibly with a different Dream. If one seed in that cave was altered, I’d expect them all to have been.
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Mental, I fail to see how you rubbing it in and gloating is any more dignified than Konig’s rage. Besides, he made it quite clear what was hurt- not some nebulous kitten, but his faith that ArenaNet could live up to their previous work and make good on the excitement they try to build.
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Revisiting this now that the season’s over…
- What was Scarlets real goal?*
Still nothing more on this than we had at the end of S1.
- Who is Mister E?*
Not answered or progressed.
- What are Kasmeers powers and why does she have them?*
Not answered or progressed.
- Vision 1: What Scarlet Saw?*
Learned in the Durmand PRiory that it’s the All, a less strict way of looking at the Eternal Alchemy, but we still don’t know what the import of the colliding orbs and resulting discoloration is.
- Vision 2: The Pale Trees Vision*
In-game it’s theorized that the probable Forgotten ruins are the golden location, but ultimately we still don’t know, beyond that the sphere is Glint’s egg and the dragon/vines seem to fairly clearly represent Mordremoth trying to claim it.
- Why did Tequatle become stronger?*
Possibly not answered or progressed, but we did learn that lesser dragons are believed to have the potential to become Elder Dragons by consuming enough magic.
- The Medalion and the true heir*
Not answered or progressed.
- What is Mordremoths goal?*
Not answered or progressed.
- Who or what is Anise?*
Not answered or progressed.
- What is the consortium up to?*
Not answered or progressed.
- What happened in the fractals laboratory?*
Not answered or progressed.
- What will Evon Gnashblade do?*
Not answered or progressed, although apparently business is going well.
- Whats the Master of Peaces Goal and what is the secret of the Zephirites?*
We know the secret was the egg, but not how he intended to keep it safe.
- Will Mai Trin and the Aetherblades come back?*
Not answered or progressed, unless somethings changed in EotM.
- Who corrupted Aerin?*
Hasn’t been specifically addressed, but evidence seems to pretty overwhelmingly point to being corrupted by Mordremoth because he cut himself off from the Dream.
- What is the dark secret of the Super Adventure Box?*
Not answered or progressed.
- What happend to Rytlock?*
Teased, but not answered or meaningfully progressed.
- What is Caithe`s agenda?
Progressed- like the Master of Peace, she’s trying to keep the egg safe, and we have no idea how.
All said- honestly, I find it a little depressing how little we got. I just wish we had known from the start that the Season was just a lead-in to something else, so that I could have moderated my expectations accordingly.
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I agree the delivery was horrendous, but I’m perfectly fine with leaving unanswered questions- your handlebars, brakes and wheels. If, as seems to be the case now, something with a lot more heft is coming next (whether it’s an expansion or not is moot), it makes sense to leave such a huge question for that, instead of the much more limited scope of a Living Story episode. Essentially, I think the episode itself (and the episode or two preceding it…)was from a story standpoint just a lead-in to the advertisement it ended on.
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Personally, I don’t think it’s unfounded so much as it is that many people on this forum have a long history of pointing out that the evidence for it has been tenuous, myself included. Proponents of this theory, seemingly more than any other theory out there, had a habit of stating it as fact and even using it as evidence for other theories, and we spent so long arguing so hard that they shouldn’t get carried away we developed an antipathy to the theory itself, not for its own merits but due to the nature of its loudest proponents. That… seems to have been a mistake.
My two coppers, anyway.
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Humans aren’t known for potentially snapping and attacking anyone within arms reach of them whether they want to or not, let alone the possibility of corrupting their victims into plant zombies. We sylvari, apparently, are now. I can’t blame the mobs for busting out their torches and pitchforks.
Incidentally, am I the only one who thinks the being overlooking the ruins resembled a mordremed mursaat?
@mushroomz It’s not like sylvari abruptly popped up and claimed half a kingdom. There’s wasn’t anyone living anywhere near the Grove except for some outlying asuran labs. Whatever humans were there had long since left.
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I’m not exactly thrilled with it either, but at least, unless ANet decides to delete my main, they’re not all going to spontaneously turn bad (just, apparently, a large number of them…)
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Super Spoiler! And the answer!
After today’s patch, no dragon minions CANNOT be corrupted by other dragons. Sylvari, and by extension, the Pale Tree, are indeed minions of Mordremoth, the Pale Tree has known the entire time. It’s been CLEARLY stated that Sylvari are immune to corruption, particularly Zhaitan’s corruption. I think this is enough proof for your answer.
Sigh… after this patch, I feel like ANet’s leaving me twisting in the wind, but… I’m going to stick to my guns and hold that sylvari immunity is due to the Dream, and the Dream alone, which I’ve begun to suspect is a product of the forgotten ritual (it would explain why they were dragged in in a big way for no real reason, and also how Glint was able to know so much).
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Subject Alpha does show one can be corrupted multiple times, but there’s nothing shown in regards to it’s loyalty, like all dragon minions, it seeks to kill uncorrupted life.
Loyalty isn’t the question – multiple corruptions is. And Alpha is capable of controlling all minions in CoE – even getting them to be nice to each other.
I think the earlier reference that the subjects were not truly corrupted and only injected with corruption is the best explanation of the test subjects.
Might I ask why? This stance doesn’t seem to follow from your preceding statement on the uncertainty of Subject Alpha’s loyalty.
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Aside from any lore reasons, hybrid minions, like Mordem destroyers and branded undead would be cringe-inducing bad fiction, and should never be given serious consideration.
Eh. Subject Alpha wasn’t bad. It’s just something that needs to be used sparingly- kinda like how throwing colors together just tends to result in brown, breaking down what makes minions distinct could very easily result in something unappealing.
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the Elder Dragons don’t seem to have a global influence, which gets confusing, because if they’re so important to the Eternal Alchemy, how do they only effect the continent of Tyria?
While they were clumped when they awoke, the deep sea dragon seems to be entirely clear of Tyria, and Jormag and Primordus also do not seem to be themselves on what we consider continental Tyria, with only offshoots poking into our territory. If Kralkatorrik left the Crystal Desert (we can’t say either way yet, but the fact that the Priory and Zephyrites were able to mount expeditions into the desert seems to suggest it), that just leaves Zhaitan and the recently awakened Mordremoth in Tyria, with the others spreading out elsewhere into the world.
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In the novel, it’s definitely corrupting corpses- one of the icebrood was described as having had his face smashed in.
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I second seventis’ answer. From what we’ve seen of the upper echelons of the Court, the norm seems to be bitter jockeying for status. Big on acrimony, not so big on collective response.
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