I would fix that one bug which allows people to play a Ranger.
So many lives have already been destroyed because of this.
Why do you even play ranger if all you do is complain about it? I mean kitten, go play something else if you don’t even enjoy the prof!
Fate is a cruel, mean old crone. It made the class I love the one class which sucks the most.
I would fix that one bug which allows people to play a Ranger.
So many lives have already been destroyed because of this.
Could you do me a favor? Stop calling your fellow rangers stupid. It says more about you than anyone else.
Are you sure on these numbers? pretty sure it’s 2000+ something in regen over 3 seconds however that is reapplied again after those 3 seconds expire if you are still in the field you get another 3 seconds etc etc making it 5 regeneration periods if you stayed in the field for the full duration resulting in a bigger but slower heal over time than troll, I still prefer troll myself but the spring’s full duration is more in total but over a longer period I’m quite sure of that.
No. I pulled those numbers straight from the official wiki.
Amen. Your post contains nothing but honesty.
Troll Unguent heals 856 per second for 10 seconds, making it heal 8560 health total.
Healing Spring directly heals 4920 and an additional 2340 total in regeneration, making it a total of 7260.
So yeah, Troll Unguent heals for more. But does Troll Unguent provide a water combo field, allowing for additional (group) healing? Does Troll Unguent provide the regeneration not only to you, but your allies as well? And last but not least, does Troll Unguent remove all conditions upon activation from both you and your allies?
No, no, and no. And that is why for my build, which is a BM tank spec with a focus on the regeneration boon, Healing Spring is far better than Troll Unguent.
They misspelled some things, which may have made the description unclear. Here’s a fixed version:
“The ranger class combines its own lackluster abilities with the skills of their horribly programmed pets. We’ve balanced the class around the idea that you must suck at everything in any fight. The fact that the ranger can have multiple pets allows them to combine their virtually useless pets in ways that do not impact the current fight. We want the Ranger to have none of the evasion enjoyed by the Thief, as well as the mobility other classes employ. The class is unable to deal physical or condition damage, and it can do this in melee or at range.”
Tagging this thread because I can’t send an e-mail right now, but I’d love to duel you nevertheless.
I have a feeling you’ll buttwreck me, though. I have absolutely zero experience fighting sword rangers. Never ran into one.
I just want a finished class. That’s all I want. No fancy group buffs. No fancy new weapons. I just want my bugged skills fixed, my crappy skills (of which we have plenty) buffed, my traitlines reworked, and my pets to be useful.
What Dah said.
It seems Anet’s main focus has been anything but rangers, really.
3 seconds? Hell no. The white circle indicating a combo field literally flashes for less than a second before vanishing.
Read the description. It’s three seconds.
Read my post. In practice, it ain’t three seconds.
What about the Carrion Devourer? The poison field is 5 seconds, that’s 2 seconds longer than the Cave spider.
There’s also the warhogs foraged venom sack which lasts for like 10s (or it feels that long it’s there for freaking days), we have AMPLE poisons fields and a bunch of snakes creating a poison field just makes no sense…
And Spiketrap doesn’t have a combo field either, does that mean it’s “broken” too? Maybe we should make it an etheral field because why the kitten not? we don’t have any of those other than the throw gunk from warthogs!
You’re missing the point. Viper trap is currently as useless as our spirits are due to the fact that the only thing it has going for it is the poison debuff. All the other traps are way better, solely because those traps provide combo fields. Making Viper trap create a poison field might result in it being actually used.
Spike trap is one of our better if not arguably the best trap we have. It does decent damage and also cripples, making it very proper even without it creating a combo field.
Poison deals more damage than bleeding per tick AND reduces healing by 33%
Multiple ways to apply poison is great. The only reason I take Fire trap over Poison is because it has a shorter cooldown and I utilise cave spider and devourers regularly. Again, we just don’t need the field, Poison trap is fine. All ranger traps are fine, great in fact. Even better when traited.
I have never seen another ranger besides myself use poison trap. A skill’s popularity is usually a good measure of how strong it is. Hence, poison trap is not ‘fine’.
You’re also forgetting that while one stack of poison deals more damage than one stack of bleed, poison doesn’t actually stack more than once while bleed can stack up to twenty-five times.
Anet’s busy buffing warriors instead of fixing rangers?
What else is new?
I don’t use healing spring. Troll unguent is much better at keeping both me and my pet up and in the fight. Rangers often forget about their pets, but pets can be extremely helpful. Healing spring is absolutely terrible at keeping your pet alive, even if your pet is standing in it.
I have different experiences with Healing Spring. Especially if you take the trait which makes your pet gain all the boons you get, Healing Spring becomes simply the best at healing your pet.
Melee builds aren’t too popular, really. Sword auto-attack disallows you to dodge, making it utterly impractical unless you wish to micro-manage your auto-attacks. Greatsword has some pretty good defensive utilities as well as the best charge in the game, but the damage is so horribly low that it’s only ever used as a back-up weapon.
You likely faced a sword ranger. Both swords have evades on them, but the one handed sword is the one with the relatively high damage output and ‘flanking’ ability.
They’re pretty easy to beat, as they can’t dodge your attacks. Hence why one handed sword builds aren’t at all popular.
Don’t use spirits. They suck. You’re far better off with Protect Me and Lightning Reflexes if its survivability you want. Add in Muddy Terrain or a trap for some crowd control and you’re set.
3 seconds? Hell no. The white circle indicating a combo field literally flashes for less than a second before vanishing.
Read the description. It’s three seconds.
Read my post. In practice, it ain’t three seconds.
What about the Carrion Devourer? The poison field is 5 seconds, that’s 2 seconds longer than the Cave spider.
There’s also the warhogs foraged venom sack which lasts for like 10s (or it feels that long it’s there for freaking days), we have AMPLE poisons fields and a bunch of snakes creating a poison field just makes no sense…
And Spiketrap doesn’t have a combo field either, does that mean it’s “broken” too? Maybe we should make it an etheral field because why the kitten not? we don’t have any of those other than the throw gunk from warthogs!
You’re missing the point. Viper trap is currently as useless as our spirits are due to the fact that the only thing it has going for it is the poison debuff. All the other traps are way better, solely because those traps provide combo fields. Making Viper trap create a poison field might result in it being actually used.
Spike trap is one of our better if not arguably the best trap we have. It does decent damage and also cripples, making it very proper even without it creating a combo field.
I don’t use a longbow because it stinks. Greatsword and axes are not only much more viable, but also much more fun to use.
I do believe suggestions go into the suggestions forums.
3 seconds? Hell no. The white circle indicating a combo field literally flashes for less than a second before vanishing.
Read the description. It’s three seconds.
Read my post. In practice, it ain’t three seconds.
What about the Carrion Devourer? The poison field is 5 seconds, that’s 2 seconds longer than the Cave spider.
Never used that pet, so I wouldn’t know.
Not heal as one or troll unguent.
Please and thank you rangers.
-Sincerely thief w/ short bow.
I seriously find it rude that you come into another class’s thread and tell them how to play or mock the community that plays that class just because you encounter one or two players that play the class differently from the rest. Arena Net promotes different play styles and not a cookie cutter build. I am pretty sure that you don’t see 100% of thief community running around with Shadow Refuge. Its a matter of play style and opinions, if you don’t like how that ranger in your party is playing then by all means just tell him, instead of making a non-constructive thread such as this.
It’s also okay to run full magic find gear and stand in the fire whilst doing fractals. I’m sure the other members of the group will appreciate that.
As for the thread. I just feel it is a warranted public service announcement that can be discussed. But so far I’ve seen no legitimate reason not to use healing spring. Same goes for shadow refuge. If you like you and your group members getting repair bills constantly. By all means. Be that guy.
But I rather you do better. Because when you do better. I do better. When we do better. The whole group does better. Making fractals more pleasant to participate in.
Doing fractals? Don’t party up with thief players who can’t play with others.
Or the thief could just auto attack and not do any thing else. Because hey? If the other group members aren’t putting in 100%, why should he? No one should tell him how to play the game even if he is being a leech! Then suddenly fractals are wiping until they give up and put in the ‘too hard’ basket of the complaint forum.
Your logic is flawed and you should feel bad for it.
“a couple things you wished people told you about the class before you, yourselves, rolled one?”
I wish people had told me how Anet nerfed the absolute living bollocks out of the class when beta ended. It went from pretty strong to pretty weak in one fell swoop.
Still my favorite class, though.
sorry rangers are NOT to be traps, thats a rouge or thief trait. only in GW2 I have seen this and I have been playin MMO’s for 20 yrs now
Apparantly you didn’t ever play World of Warcraft’s Hunter.
That class was pretty much exactly Guild War 2’s Ranger, only viable.
You mean the ‘significant changes’ that were promised?
They will come when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, when the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves.
3 seconds? Hell no. The white circle indicating a combo field literally flashes for less than a second before vanishing.
Read the description. It’s three seconds.
Read my post. In practice, it ain’t three seconds.
Well thanks for the posts guys, I’m still gonna try one! It seems like every thinks their class is broken so if they are all broken I’d say that means they’re balanced! Cheers.
Play to level 10, love it and then realize @ 80 that you have been mistaken. Roll another class until ANET decides to release that “significant changes” update that all Rangers have been waiting for. Believe me, if ANY class can claim the “broken” tag, it is the Ranger.
You do not realize how bad Necromancers and Engineers have it, do you? You really should play some other classes before you say stuff like this.
Necromancers and engineers have it way better than rangers.
What are you defending the ranger class for? It sucks compared to the other classes, plain and simple. Denying that is only unhealthy for you.
The Viper trap isn’t broken it is not intended to have a poison field and it doesn’t need one, we have plenty of ways to poison. Engineer’s have a poison field, Thieves have a poison field, Rangers don’t need one, they have fire and ice. There are plenty of other more important things that need to be fixed before adding things that just aren’t needed.
An analogy about a car accident and a doctor wtf? lay off the green.
Not to mention, the spider poison field literally lasts for but a split second. It might as well not be a combo field at all.
So do the combo fields from fire trap (3s) and Frost Trap (5s).
Spider Poison Gas (3s) on 20s cooldown.
3 seconds? Hell no. The white circle indicating a combo field literally flashes for less than a second before vanishing.
Not to mention, the spider poison field literally lasts for but a split second. It might as well not be a combo field at all.
Agreed. With sword, dagger, and shortbow already supplying us with poison and at least one of those being in virtually every ranger’s arsenal, we have pretty much no need of a mere poison trap. A trap which supplies a poison combo field however would find itself competing with the other traps on an even level.
But you’re asking Anet to properly buff rangers. The moon will sooner fall out of the sky than that happening.
Healing Spring is arguably the best heal in the game.
It’s also the only actually outstanding ability rangers have.
The Ranger should be renamed to ‘That Guy With The Pretty Good Heal’. Much more accurate.
I’ve heard it’s a memory issue and that there is no intent to implement permanently storing the names as their system stands.
No clue how accurate that is.
Even a toddler can program the game in such a way that pet names are stored client-side.
Figuratively, of course.
But we all know that Anet is too busy giving warriors more mobility instead of actually balancing the game. That’s what you get when the devs are all 5-signet warrior babbies.
We shouldn’t have to keep it on manual just to make it useable.
Nice anecdote, but as a level 80 ranger I can assure you that while we received some much needed fixes last patch, we are still nowhere near the level of viability of other classes. We’re closer, but still far from being proper. Most of our utilities (including our only credit-to-team utilities) still suck and/or are buggy, pet AI is still horribad, pet barely if ever resses us now when we’re in downed state, and our traits… gods, don’t even get me started on THAT trainwreck.
“-Is there diversity in Ranger builds? If so can you share a quick summary of one you know or one that you enjoy/made. (no long paragraph needed, just wondering if there are choices)”
There is. You see, the good thing about our class is that no matter what set-up you use, you will always perform sub-par to other classes. It’s truly a brilliant game design!
The build I currently use and enjoy is a traditional ‘bunker’ beastmaster build, with a greatsword and double axes. It’s a really fun playstyle in my opinion.
“- Is the Ranger good in WvW/PvE?”
Good? No. Sortof viable? I suppose.
“-What do YOU like about your ranger?”
Pet companion and the whole natural survivalist feel. Definately not the class utilities or traits, haha. Sad face.
My wolf’s AoE’s never saved me in the situations which really mattered because it always takes him more than 2 seconds to cast it, assuming he doesn’t interrupt himself or otherwise cancels his own cast.
I don’t think Anet ever really thought about pet swap positioning in the first place.
Because rangers are supposed to be attuned to nature, and a rifle is a highly technological device, which doesn’t really fit into the picture.
Good god, you guys are still at it?
Ranger is the pet class. Deal with it, or reroll.
Oh look, yet another chump who doesn’t want to have a pet when playing the pet class.
One doesn’t even know where to begin listing everything that’s wrong with spirits.
It’s a shame, because they look incredibly cool, and a spirit ranger is the closest thing to a druid-archetype this game has.
It’s such a peculiar ability to begin with. It reflects projectiles, so coming to the conclusion that it’s an anti-projectile ability is merely logical. However, it also applies vulnerability to targets that are in melee, on top of dealing melee damage. It’s plain weird.
It would make sense however if you were to be able to move while casting it, because then it would essentially be a gap-closer against projectile-users: you’d be reflecting their projectiles on the move and once you’d reach them, you’d start doing melee damage and applying vulnerability.
As it is right now it sucks. The no.4 sucks as well. It’s pretty sad, considering I absolutely love both abilities, but only purely because of their animations.
Man… they might be the best class now. SB1 is stupid damage and doesn’t miss ever now… pet damage is HUGE, and the traps/quickness/heals is just….
Sigh.
Hahahaha!
Oh wait, you’re serious! Let me laugh even harder!
The closest thing to what you want is a longbow warrior. I suggest you take a look at their longbow and utility skills and give it a good thought.
Longbow warriors are garbage and completely un-viable in a pvp setting.
Go with the shortbow thief as the above poster said, they fit the archer role fine and their shortbow has some of the best bow mechanics in the game for taking people out.
All of those claims are debatable.
Any reference to ‘regeneration’ in our traits refers to the actual boon ‘regeneration’.
I only ever use Maul in PvE because it adds a little bit of extra damage. In PvP I rarely use it considering it breaks the autoattack chain, which has the evade in it on the third strike which is a massive help.
There’s a wiki for these kinds of questions, broheim.
Don’t know off the top of my hat what other abilities/traits we have which give regeneration besides Healing Spring and the one you mentioned, but I can confirm that the Troll heal does not count as a regeneration and thus does not enjoy buffs to regeneration.
You’re saying that you don’t want an animal companion.
That is the same thing as saying that you don’t want to play a ranger.
The closest thing to what you want is a longbow warrior. I suggest you take a look at their longbow and utility skills and give it a good thought.
Haven’t had a chance to log in yet after the patch. Will probably continue to use my current build, which relies on loads of dodges and regeneration to keep me alive while my pet chomps down on my enemy. I suppose that build should be somewhat more effective now considering melee pets have been fixed a little bit. Haven’t been able to test this yet though. Perhaps someone can shed light on how effective the fix was?
Rangers are a fun class for those who enjoy having an animal companion (not a pet) and/or for those who enjoy having to constantly dodge and move around the battlefield, always carefully adapting to the situation.
The class is currently rather mediocre, right down there with engineers. The last patch however has brought us some fixes – and with it, hope.
If what you want is a lone archer or a static sniper, then this class is not for you.