Guild Wars 2

Rayti.6531:

I wouldn’t go that far and say that ANet is doing this on purpose though – like some suggested in this thread – I’m sure they’re not.

Why are you sure? They don’t employ an economist to manage the game economy for anyone’s benefit other than Anet. If precursors never dropping drive gem sales then that’s what they’ll continue to do. They risk alienating the players but they don’t actually care about players they only want consumers IMO.

Rayti.6531:

I also don’t think anyone buys gems to buy their pre/legi with the gold.

You’re very very wrong.

Rayti.6531:

The only winning party I could imagine are those gold sellers, finding some victims who can’t wait for their lucky drop to happen… I really hope we will soon get rid of those…

The system benefits Anet. Unless players speak up we will never see a fix to this garbage.

Rayti.6531:

Well… I tried to get my Incinerator finished for some time now… I play since beta and yet have to drop any kind of precusor even though I farm map bosses on a nearly daily basis in the evening, do lots of JPs, play WvW a lot, tried the mystic forge etc.

It happened to me several times now, that other players got precursor drops from the same mob I was also hitting (like guards in WvW), pulled them out of JP chests right in front of me, stood next to me on the mystic forge while I was throwing in hundreds of rares or exos while they got their pre after a few tries… It’s not that I think that they didn’t deserve it – I’m just wondering what I’m doing wrong

Now after a year (that’s when I officially decided to craft the Incinerator) I really start to believe in the “account based” luck (or in my case: lack thereof) and I have to admit it feels a bit frustrating.

I don’t want to buy a precursor off the TP because it would ruin the “achievement” for me. I get lots of “then it’s your own fault” or even “how come you STILL don’t have that legendary?!” due to that decision and I honestly don’t expect anyone to understand I want to get this precursor myself…

However, I think there should be an equal chance for everyone to actually get a pre if they worked towards it. And for me, farming 1000g just to see that the price has once again increased (inbetween it was even at 1700g – then there was no supply at all, etc.) doesn’t count as “working towards a goal while still enjoying the game”.

I wouldn’t mind having to do a veeeery long quest with veeeeery difficult content – but RNG for a legendary weapon doesn’t sound very “legendary” to me. I hope they will change something about that soon – but I highly doubt there will be changes for the existing types of legendaries given that many have thrown lots of gold into the MF or the TP. I think it’s more likely they will introduce new legendaries with other methods of precursor acquisition…

I’m playing the game the way you are, you know, like an MMO. I want to earn my legendary. I’ve had clovers and gifts for quite some time (maybe a year) and just need my precursor.

The major flaw of Guild Wars 2 as an MMO is their RNG which is tied to greed. Anet and their corporate overlords got used to players buying gems in a non sub game and each month they need a new fix to make them happy. Living Story updates every 2 weeks to drive gem sales on fluff armor and dyes, black lion keys for some RNG fun (sarcasm), and then a gold sink to make sure that players couldn’t buy gems with gold (you know like we were promised when we bought the game). They don’t want us to use the forge to waste rares and exotics trying for years on end to get a precursor, they NEED us to.

It’s shame, they almost made a great MMO.

FearedbytheGods.8617:

I’m glad this thread is still going strong.

ANet promised us a better system a LONG time ago.

Disappointing that the people who hold multiple legionaries are people who are lucky or are better at grinding and TP Flipping or use rl money than actually playing the game or having an ability to play the game well for that matter.

But because they make money ANet let this sorry situation continue.

I agree with this. I hear apologists say that Anet didn’t “promise” a fix to precursor acquisition but that’s exactly what they did. Don’t worry players a fix is coming! And then they did nothing.

When devs say they don’t want to hurt the economy my brain explodes a little. Who’s economy are they protecting?

Precursor acquisition needs to be completely redesigned.

Taygus.4571:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Taygus.4571:

WHY did you throw so many in??? Even with the pre’s increasing in cost, you’re better off saving and waiting

Precursors are increasing in price so buy the time you save 1000 gold the precursor you want might be 1500g. Also, people like myself won’t buy a precursor.

because gambling on the mystic forge is so much more epic.

The only “epic” way to get a precursor is by getting one to drop. And that’s never ever ever ever going to happen. Forging is the only way I will ever get one and I’ve come to believe that won’t happen either.

Until Anet fix this issue I won’t have a legendary. I won’t save 1000 gold to buy one because paying another player off for being lucky when I wasn’t isn’t how I choose to play. And by the time I save 1000 gold precursors will be 1500 gold.

Taygus.4571:

WHY did you throw so many in??? Even with the pre’s increasing in cost, you’re better off saving and waiting

Precursors are increasing in price so buy the time you save 1000 gold the precursor you want might be 1500g. Also, people like myself won’t buy a precursor.

Flytrap.8075:

The moderators close any threads about the issue -_-

And 10 new ones will always pop up to replace those closed threads until the issue is resolved.

Protoavis.9107:

slayert.5904:

So I looked at zap a week ago and it was at 860g.
Today I look at zap and it is at 1090g.

It’s because they changed the mystic forge, you can now get items that are of a lower level than what you put in, put in 4 lvl 80 exotics/rares get lvl 76 exotic/rare. It’s now more expensive (not harder, more expensive since the rejects are worth less than before) to make it via the mystic forge so the prices go up

What a wondrous change. – Sarcasm off.

Valandil Dragonhart.2371:

Dang – are you telling me that I could have gotten 1,000g for my luck? Oh, minus 15% in listing fees of course. So I’m looking at a potential 850g for a shred of luck. But instead, I created the Bifrost. The experience is worth every copper and wielding something that you worked hard for is truly awesome. The method to get this shred of luck leaves a lot to be desired, however.

Gift of Mastery? Relatively easy.
Gift of Fortune? A little harder, lots of farming and shards.
Gift of the Bifrost? Excruciating, considering I was looking forever for people to help me with the Arah dungeon, and 500 Shards of Zhaitan couldn’t come quick enough. Dungeons aren’t my bag.
The Legend? In the same boat as Aiden, can’t express how hard it is to get a good drop when you need it. But, like what happens when you least expect it, then it drops.

Forging the Bifrost, and your first legendary? PRICELESS!

I congratulate you on your patience and your luck. I’m running out of the first, I’ve never even had a sniff of the second.

Six 80s Two sub 80s

One with 100% map complete Two others I’m working on.

slayert.5904:

So I looked at zap a week ago and it was at 860g.
Today I look at zap and it is at 1090g.

WHAT!? That is kitten frustrating since i want to get bolt and I do not play the tp since I find it stupid to play the tp. In my opinion the prices of these precusors are getting out of controle and almost unreachable for people who don’t play the tp. The whole point of buying a precursor of the tp is stupid in my opinion, cause once i get my legendary I would probably say “Wow that took my along time of grinding gold” and not “Wow that took my a long time of playing the game and it was fun to do”.

I probably will just let bolt go, which is fine it is a cosmetic but so frustrating to think i can get it but it would just take 2 months of gold grinding and not having fun cause doing the same dungeon over and over again gets boring after a few days.

So i hope precusor crafting will be in game around the end of the year. It will make alot of people happy and probably people who make money of precursor flipping sad but that makes me even more happy.

I will never buy a precursor. I don’t believe this method of acquisition even belongs in the game. At some point you just have to recognize that you’ll never get one.

Valento.9852:

[&AgGSvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Frostfang
[&AgGTvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Kudzu
[&AgGUvwAA] My Journal: Seeking the Lover
[&AgGVvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Spark
[&AgGWvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Bard
[&AgGXvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Dawn
[&AgGYvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Dusk
[&AgGZvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Colossus
[&AgGavwAA] My Journal: Seeking Carcharias
[&AgGbvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Energizer
[&AgGcvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Chaos Gun
[&AgGdvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Hunter
[&AgGevwAA] My Journal: Seeking Storm
[&AgGfvwAA] My Journal: Seeking the Chosen
[&AgGgvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Legend
[&AgGhvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Rage
[&AgGivwAA] My Journal: Seeking Zap
[&AgGjvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Rodgort’s Flame
[&AgGkvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Venom
[&AgGlvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Howl
[&AgGmvwAA] My Journal: Seeking Rodgort
[&AgGvvwAA] The Legend of Flameseeker Prophecies
[&AgGwvwAA] The Legend of Kudzu
[&AgGxvwAA] The Legend of Frenzy
[&AgGyvwAA] The Legend of the Moot
[&AgGzvwAA] The Legend of the Predator
[&AgG0vwAA] The Legend of Twilight
[&AgG1vwAA] The Legend of Bifrost
[&AgG2vwAA] The Legend of Howler
[&AgG3vwAA] The Legend of the Juggernaut
[&AgG4vwAA] The Legend of Kraitkin
[&AgG5vwAA] The Legend of Minstrel

Tee-hee…

Almost a year ago we were told precursor crafting would definitely be in the game. This was data mined to show that it was actually being worked on and then they scrapped it.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Since headstart my best drop was an unidentified dye about 6 months ago that ended up being “Midnight Ice”, 14g at the time, then about 2 weeks after that I got another, sold the first kept the second. No decent rewards for playing GW2.

My best drop was celestial dye in day one of headstart. Technically that’s an RNG roll on an unid dye but it’s still my best.

In November 2012 when they nerfed loot and drops my account went completely cold in terms of drops. It’s like they put the whammy on me.

Izdubar.9540:

Well it could be worse, you could have gotten a precursor drop but one of the crappy ones that don’t sell for much on the TP and is a weapon type you’ll never use.

I wouldn’t dream of complaining about getting a cheap precursor. Any one I get, I’ll make into a legendary. I won’t buy a precursor and I won’t sell one.

Mono.7320:

you think this is funny?

There is nothing funny about 1000 gold precursors but they don’t seem to care about that. If you want to beat them at their own game, wear exos and use your gold to buy gems.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Aidenwolf.5964:

The PvP tournament is giving away precursors which is a great way to get people to watch. The fact that someone watching will get what I’ve busted my kitten trying for a year and a half to get with no success isn’t great.

How is just watchin/observing the tourny going to give you a CHANCE at getting a precursor? Or are you talking about leeching/AFKing during a match? What a mindset to be a professional AFKer.

They’re giving away 3 precursors tomorrow to viewers of the Twitch feed, they gave away 3 today. I’m not against this BTW but I’m very much against how terrible precursor acquisition is in gw2 if you’re not one of the the 1% or the lucky accounts.

The PvP tournament is giving away precursors which is a great way to get people to watch. The fact that someone watching will get what I’ve busted my kitten trying for a year and a half to get with no success isn’t great.

It’ll never happen even though it should have been here day one and they promised it by the end of 2013.

I’m done with chasing a precursor I’ve been salvaging my exos and rares. I’ll work on finding something else to do in game until I get a precursor drop which tbh I never expect to happen.

This system is kittened.

Putting level 80 rates into the forge and getting back sub 80 exos does not make me happy.

Max Lexandre.6279:

AKA Mystic Toilet.

And yes something is absurd at Mystic Forge rewarding lvl 70~ when we put 4 80s at it.

They didn’t announce a change to the formula so is this a bug?

I’ve been putting level 80 rare longbows into the forge and getting sub 80 exotics for my efforts. This has happened repeatedly and I’d like to know what the heck is going on here.

MAD CAT.9321:

Give me 900 gold and I won’t have to rage anymore

My rage ends when I get my precursor. Although I’d settle for 750 gold, I’m a cheap date.

Stompy.1387:

Just stop forging, keep that gold you would have thrown away, and buy it off the TP. There, no more RNG to worry about.

800 gold for a precursor I don’t think so.

Nick.6972:

I know, I know, but.

Wouldn’t it make sense to “give” some accounts better luck to balance out the economy.
I mean, if the drop rate was set then everyone should be able to get their precursor with at least, I don’t know, 500 attempts?

Again. Just speculation. Hold your tinfoil hats.

If some accounts never have a chance at a precursor then we’re throwing away our weapons with no chance of success…. Wait that sounds exactly right.

ZilentNight.5089:

You say the same thing when a “select few” win the lottery in real life?

Your analogy is way off. No one wins the lottery 7 times. All of the “luck” is being sucked up by those with “lucky” accounts. The RNG code is flawed. I don’t believe it’s truly random at all.

I ran the string of boss events again and all were well populated. However, Teq and Wurm are still ghost towns, so why do we need this again?

Recalibar.6482:

I spent a real-life equivalent of 500$ on something I no longer even want.

A second incinerator.

I could give two kittens about it’s amazing ability to swap stats on the go. I can change it’s stat combination by spending another 50g.

If anything, that’s why I want to quit.

Sorry but you spending cash to buy your precursor is why this game’s RNG sucks kitten for those of us who try to get one by playing. I’m glad you think spending cash for legendaries is a waste.

CharrGirl.7896:

Last time I logged in and played before this update was a week or so. I exited the game before I could clear out my inventory (was doing events in Orr).

2 days ago I log in and I notice the Zap in my inventory. I really don’t know what’s funnier, the fact I didn’t register that I got a kitten precursor, or the fact that I almost sold it by accident when clearing my inventory. I’ll probably never know which mob dropped it – but it’s nice having lots of gold for once :P

If I found a precursor in my bags my head would explode.

Valento.9852:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Valento.9852:

Getting a precursor… never had that feeling. Still waiting on the promise of scavenger hunt, all other gifts are finished (even with all that mystic clover RNG).

It’s funny when you see these PvP tournaments giving free legendaries, things must be really bad in this area.

I have my clovers and gifts done as well. In retrospect I’d have skipped it all and not water my time money and effort.

From a programming standpoint, a computer cannot give a truly random number so I’d like to know exactly how they determine who gets a golden ticket.

Nah, they can download True Random Numbers from a generator server, or use Mersenne Twister that advanced a bit about the randomness (just google it, not too old).

True random using the noise from the universe because it’s unpredictable would give the best results. The drops don’t appear random so I doubt that’s in use.

Valento.9852:

Getting a precursor… never had that feeling. Still waiting on the promise of scavenger hunt, all other gifts are finished (even with all that mystic clover RNG).

It’s funny when you see these PvP tournaments giving free legendaries, things must be really bad in this area.

I have my clovers and gifts done as well. In retrospect I’d have skipped it all and not water my time money and effort.

From a programming standpoint, a computer cannot give a truly random number so I’d like to know exactly how they determine who gets a golden ticket.

I ran the boss events today and collected a dozen or more rates, but I’m thinking of just selling them instead of my my usaual forging away rares behavior. This game’s RNG has beaten me, I quit.

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

Astralporing.1957:

Answer yourself one question – are you really going to be transferring them (which includes a visit to the bank) everytime you switch characters?

Of course. 4 full sets, if bought in the smartest way possible, would still cost ~300g+.

It’s a significant enough amount of gold and resources. To at least ask if they’d consider allowing a one time stat swap.

To be clear I don’t want a refund I’d like to stat swap 3 of the sets. It seems reasonable.

Zackie.8923:

Since the ascended items are account bound, will the ascended items like amulet that i bought for my alternate characters be refunded? I bought 2 zerker amulet.

also, will the laurels be refunded for zerker equipments? since now you have introduced ferocity.

I have 4 sets of identical trinkets. I would very much like to stat change 3 of them.

southbeatz.2780:

Champ farming was mostly pointless and simply boring. Anet wanted to encourage people to do other things in the game but perhaps Anet went about it wrong. Instead of nerfing, maybe Anet should have made events on other maps give better rewards to get people away from the champ trains.

And I’m sure some chose to do other things in another game.

The only ones who benefit from a gold Nerf are those with tons of gold already and Anet.

Cercie.1025:

I’ve said it before. There is nothing legendary about legendaries lol.

1. It’s a ‘grind’ in a game that prides itself on not being one.

2. There are absolutely no quests involved to personalize it so that having a legendary means something to your character.

3. Nobody thinks back an enjoys the time and work they invested in getting a legendary unless they are a masochist. It’s time they would rather forget. Or in some cases money they would have rather spent elsewhere.

Legendaries should have a lengthy quest chain that is actually fun and challenging. And at the end perhaps fight maybe a legendary boss. The process could still be time based so people can’t complete it in a day, and it can still take materials. But the one thing missing from them is the ‘legendary factor.’ Right now Legendaries are nothing but consolation prizes for months of self torture.

Precursors could be given from a quest chain all their own. At least people would have some hope to ever get one without having to buy it off the TP. One idea could be to have a quest chain set up for a ‘soulbound’ percursor>legendary. That way the currenty system still exists for people who’d rather just buy one. But if they want to be sure to get one in the next ten years, have a quest chain.

This is what obtaining a precursor should’ve been all along. I fear that they won’t change anything until half the player base has already moved on to another game though.

Kolzi.5928:

I have one legendary and definitely think people with duplicates should be compensated somehow. Legendaries are such a huge investment, having it made pointless must be so frustrating.

The tears of the lucky are delicious.

A Living World where your actions change the world but who’s world? I did the Karka Queen tonight and told my guild it was about to happen, and one guild member joined my squad, and mapped in. He wasn’t put into my server, he had to actually join on me just like any overflow. He’s in my guild, same server, same language, same continent and yet he wasn’t put with me to start with. I wasn’t guesting. If I go through the effort and time to say unlock Balthazar and then return to DR, when I go back to Balth is it still open? Or do I get put on another server where its locked? Do our actions impact OUR world anymore?

I have zero compassion for anyone with a legendary let alone 2.

Astralporing.1957:

1. Berserker is still the best dps set. No change there. It’s the other (hybrid) sets that got nerfed into the ground.

2. Were those trinkets for diffferent characters? Answer yourself one question – are you really going to be transferring them (which includes a visit to the bank) everytime you switch characters? I know i would have bought my multiple ascended sets anyway, even if they were account bound from the beginning.

I already do with my harvesting tools and my salavge o matic.

Im Mudbone.1437:

HyruleanHyroe.1473:

Im Mudbone.1437:

I feel for you and can relate as well with 5.3K hrs since early access(and BETAS as well), I can’t prove it but I believe there is an account RNG conspiracy. {:-þ -LOL

8 hours a day every day since release? O.O

SOME DAYS I’m playing 18+ hours a day and depends how severe my insomnia is on any particular day. I am also single and retired/disabled, better explains my extreme gaming. -LOL

I’m expecting Vol to come on any second and tell you you’re doing it wrong. Seriously, some of us just never get anything which makes it seem VERY un-random.

Stormleaf.1769:

TheLaughingMan.4320:

Stormleaf.1769:

BloodFallsSilent.1703:

Instead, you’ve never gotten another dime from me, beyond the initial purchases. Every time I have been tempted to buy gems, I think about how greedy it felt during the 2012 halloween event when the BL Chest drop rate for the halloween weapons was stupendously low. I remember all the content that was removed. I think about all the minor (unvoiced by me, but pointed out many times here by others) complaints I’ve had that were never fixed, and the fact that there is not going to be any expansion any time soon, when it should have been here or have been announced, at the least.

Posts like this are always so bizarre and disingenuous, specifically for the argument here (which always seems to come about in some way or another). You’re saying you’ve been tempted to buy gems, but refrained because of a previous complaint, which ArenaNet has massively improved at this point? Gem store weapons like the Halloween set have been made hugely more accessible, yet you still refuse to buy any because they used to be a problem? Why should ArenaNet ever address any of your concerns, if you’re just going to cling to past issues as an excuse to criticize them in the future, even after those issues have been fixed and improved?

For all your complaints, you sound like the type of person who will never be satisfied, no matter how close ArenaNet manages to bring the game to your ideal fantasy.

Most of his critiques are about the game itself, not the gem store that you used the fanboi generic response on after focusing in on it.

That sole example is enough demonstrate the disingenuous nature of this post. The poster prefaces by claiming to have ‘goodwill’ towards the game and wanting the opportunity to support the game, yet they then refuse to genuinely acknowledge any improvements that have been made to it. The poster clings to past ‘offenses’ while completely disregarding any attempt by ArenaNet to address and correct those issues, simply so he or she can continue to deride and insult the game and its developer for failing to live up to a personal fantasy. Someone who truly had ‘goodwill’ towards the game, someone who truly wanted to support the game and see it improve, would at least be somewhat forgiving, at least acknowledge the efforts to address some of their complaints. But no, what we see instead is petty, unhelpful venting.

You would think someone who claims to have so much experience with past MMOs and other games would possess the discipline to not let themselves get so hyped about their fantasy for a game. So hyped that its inevitable failure to live up to expectations crushes them to the point of such shallow, one-sided whining. You would think that someone with such experience would know to play a game for what it is in the present, not what they want it to be in the future. You would think that someone who had such a bad taste with the gem store methods two months after launch would know to quit back then, rather than stick around for an extra year and a half playing a game that so obviously failed to live up to expectations.

The OP paid for the game which is a sequel to his/her favorite MMO and you expect a loyal fan to quit after 2 months?

I’ve been playing up this game the whole time and have made many of these same comments over the last 1.5 years. Let me remind you what was said in response to critiques about GW2 a few months, hell even a year after launch:

1. No MMO is fully ready to go at launch give Anet time.
2. This isn’t WoW we love Anet.
3. They will add all of those things later they already promised.

So the OP waited for 1.5 years to write this do you think its too soon? Maybe wait another 2 years then it would OK to post.

I have 4 sets of the exact same berserker trinkets which are now account bound. This means I wasted laurels, guild tokens and gold. Also, with the serious Nerf to berserker, I would like the ability to one time swap stats on ascended trinkets.

Razorsharp Blade.9283:

I guess I’m not a majority on this but I feel like working hard for the gold to buy the item feels more rewarding than gambling for it on Mystic forge, then again I never liked any sort of gambling and never will. And there is nothing wrong with buying it either.

And as some post mentioned earlier, farming an legendary from scratch without the help of trading doesn’t make a good player either, nor does buying one for gems, so don’t base player skills in PvP after an item you grind in PvE.

I don’t begrudge you saving up and buying your precursor. I won’t buy mine and I doubt I’ll ever get a drop,

I have a bank tab full of these. We were told not to delete them so where’s the vendor?

Autumn.8043:

Honestly, some people are ‘blessed’ by the RNG Gods. Some people In my guild have had 8+ Precursors from the Forge, other have had multiple drop. Whilst some have yet to have seen one drop.

I find it hard to believe that RNG is unbugged. Some people continue to get drops while I get nothing while doing the same things.

I ran the champ train in Frostgorge since champ bags get needed tomorrow. I used my birthday booster and was at 300% magic find and didn’t even get an exo. Loot bug.

tolunart.2095:

This will continue until the rate discourages enough people from turning gold into gems. As long as people continue to do this, the ratio will continue to move further from what you want.

The way to counter this is simple, and Anet is not going to interfere. When the rate discourages players from using in-game gold to buy gems, it becomes very tempting to buy gems with real money and exchange them for gold. The more people who buy gems and then exchange those gems for gold, the lower the rate goes until it reaches the ratio that is attractive to players who want to exchange gold for gems.

This is entirely intentional, it’s not an accident and Anet is not going to interfere so the cheapoes can continue buying gems for gold and avoid spending any actual money on the game. They are more likely to appreciate those who do spend actual money on the game and feel rewarded because they can exchange those gems for a significant amount of gold.

I’ve bought gems, but I don’t consider those who haven’t cheapos. We bought a game that was promised to have everything available without buying gems with cash. Converting gold to gems as I have also done, is playing the game the way we were told it could be played. If you don’t like people buying gems with in game currency oh well.