go home man you are drunk . . .
I enjoyed this, haha.
Whoa, I can’t criticize? Posting things on the forums , is open to criticism. I never said he was bad, I respect he doesn’t use easy mode d/p, I can say what I want whenever I want. Triggerless’s play style eh? Not even close, sure we use the same build, he main hands p/d and is 10x better with it than I am, we also don’t even use the same gear. You seem just a little kitten. Calm down
Text has no tone, so assuming I’m mad makes you ignorant. Triggerless gave you the setup that you run currently and before that nobody knew who you were. With that said, I’m not trying to undermine your abilities as people seem to think.
I’m not faulting you for criticizing. This is a public forum where people can express their opinions, but my complaint is that you more often than not, use this forum as a way of boosting your ego. There was a thread not too long ago where 2 other people challenged each other to 1v1’s and you, without surprise, jumped in and were like, OH ME ME I WANT IN. It’s that attitude that is a bit irritating. The whole “duel me bro” thing is played out and stale, especially in a game where you get nothing from it.
First off, I like to duel people so I try to set up duels with good thieves. Second, I knew of the build before trig told me, get your facts right. Third, I only raged at you the first time I saw you, you ran from me while you had full stacks and perplex, then we dueled and settled it. I truly don’t care what spec you run, if you like to be condi, then go for it. I’m not “boosting my ego” when I’m asking to duel someone. I comment on thieves videos because I’d like criticism in mine too, anything to improve my play.
The fight was going nowhere and I went ooc to change a trait from a fight I had setup with someone else. I ran immediately back to fight you, but you had already made up your mind to rage at me. Regardless, thats irrelevant and a moot point to the original point I was trying to make.
Regardless of what your intentions supposedly are, you come across as VERY condescending and very kitteny. You literally complained from 9CST to 2CST about how you were screwed out of your duel in snuffles tourney. Whether you were or weren’t, I don’t care, but I’m certainly not the only one saying these things. I’m just saying what impressions myself and many others have of you.
EDIT: Sorry for hijacking your thread Colox. While at the same time, thank me for the views.
I did lose In snuffles tourny, it shouldn’t have happened the first fight, my internet is bad I got over that. I don’t care what people think of me, some like most don’t. In fact 80% of my server doesn’t like me, not a big deal to me.
Whoa, I can’t criticize? Posting things on the forums , is open to criticism. I never said he was bad, I respect he doesn’t use easy mode d/p, I can say what I want whenever I want. Triggerless’s play style eh? Not even close, sure we use the same build, he main hands p/d and is 10x better with it than I am, we also don’t even use the same gear. You seem just a little kitten. Calm down
Text has no tone, so assuming I’m mad makes you ignorant. Triggerless gave you the setup that you run currently and before that nobody knew who you were. With that said, I’m not trying to undermine your abilities as people seem to think.
I’m not faulting you for criticizing. This is a public forum where people can express their opinions, but my complaint is that you more often than not, use this forum as a way of boosting your ego. There was a thread not too long ago where 2 other people challenged each other to 1v1’s and you, without surprise, jumped in and were like, OH ME ME I WANT IN. It’s that attitude that is a bit irritating. The whole “duel me bro” thing is played out and stale, especially in a game where you get nothing from it.
First off, I like to duel people so I try to set up duels with good thieves. Second, I knew of the build before trig told me, get your facts right. Third, I only raged at you the first time I saw you, you ran from me while you had full stacks and perplex, then we dueled and settled it. I truly don’t care what spec you run, if you like to be condi, then go for it. I’m not “boosting my ego” when I’m asking to duel someone. I comment on thieves videos because I’d like criticism in mine too, anything to improve my play.
Whoa, I can’t criticize? Posting things on the forums , is open to criticism. I never said he was bad, I respect he doesn’t use easy mode d/p, I can say what I want whenever I want. Triggerless’s play style eh? Not even close, sure we use the same build, he main hands p/d and is 10x better with it than I am, we also don’t even use the same gear. You seem just a little kitten. Calm down
Not going to say its bad, I just see a lot of evade spamming… And I hate watching evade spam. We can duel sometime when you guys go against SoS, then I can judge.
Lets meet in pvp i dont have ascended gear stats
I mean okay, ascended stats aren’t that amazing. I’m pretty sure we’ve dueled in pvp before, can’t remember exactly. Maybe trigs thief tourny?
Not going to say its bad, I just see a lot of evade spamming… And I hate watching evade spam. We can duel sometime when you guys go against SoS, then I can judge.
In my opinion, Acrobatics is dumb for S/D. You already can evade a lot, no need for more evades. Trickery is the better way to go for S/D. I’ve also mained S/D for a long time and ive tested pretty much all specs for S/D and ive found trickery the most useful.
If TC plays hard for second place, they can pull an upset over JQ. That’s not to say it would be easy. JQ has the strongest Oceanic and SEA in T1, so trying to win over coverage like that is quite tough (continuous coverage from NA to EU). It’ll be how each server manages their PvE carebears, as we’re more or less queuing up 2-3 maps all day long
As for t2 servers, they could also pull an upset by deciding a 2v1 on a target of their choice. AGG and NS being on SoS basically means that in a JQ, BG and SoS matchup, BG is looking at a 2v1 on at least 2 maps during NA. If it’s TC, BG and SoS, it might be a little more random.
Agg is not on SoS.
Bro, I know it’s an old build, it’s the point of him trying to give people’s stuff away, he’s done it to me.
People, still crying about thieves? The only way to get people to stop crying is to remove stealth and make thief useless. Once again, the QQ is real.
He tried to do the same for my thief build and failed. This isn’t the first time he’s done this, idk why he does it tbh. It’s probably because he loses to every player in a duel. He really needs to get a life and stop giving people’s stuff away, play the game.. Stop acting like a 12 year old.
Indeed. Remind me not to talk with nor fight him.
Sure, just don’t talk to anyone in that baddie [Suit] guild.
He tried to do the same for my thief build and failed. This isn’t the first time he’s done this, idk why he does it tbh. It’s probably because he loses to every player in a duel. He really needs to get a life and stop giving people’s stuff away, play the game.. Stop acting like a 12 year old.
I respect Thieves that make videos of them showing the reality of the game. And not just highlighting their endless amount of non deaths. People that can die in their video’s and put up a good fight earn my respect.
I could do that, but I feel it would be drawn out. I’ve done fights like this but it doesn’t seem fun to watch so I end up deleting the footage. For my next video though, I’m doing some outnumbered fights and putting in some dueling clips with serane and nex, and any other person that would like to duel.
I actually enjoyed this, very good cinematic editing. You are knowledgeable of Thief, and can time pretty well. There were things i myself would have done differently, but that’s just me. Good pivot turn and using your environment to your advantage on your brink of low hp running behind the wall making the guardian fall.
~On another note: I’m pretty sure I saw a Nike symbol on that Warriors Boots.
It’s funny you mentioned the cinematic thing. I had some ‘try hard’ editing and music originally and just gave up on it. :/ Thanks for the kind words. I actually chased that warrior out of the water, but I cut the clip early. That mobility is obnoxious.
@Amon. Most of the fights I have recorded dont last that long with the exception of that clip and maybe two others. I wish I wouldn’t have fumbled at the end of the first clip and tried to keep the streak going.
Oh well though.
Haha, I know what you mean. Doing really good in a fight, and making a major mistake and dying because of it.
Bump ^^ still looking for Guardians, Eles, Warriors and Mesmers!
Overall, good video! I won’t call you cheese, because I can handle perplex on my thief. I wasn’t to big of a fan on the 7 minute clip, maybe add different clips next time, not just a really long one, but I enjoyed watching scrubs die
what server are you on I would love to duel people like you. I love dueling
The best matchup for dueling eles is Mag v SoS v FA.
It’s been that way for a few weeks. I was looking for my topic I made stating just that but couldn’t find it.
Anyways.
IMO the best eles to duel are on Mag and FA (Sorry Moj
), so if you’re not looking to be somewhere permanently, hop on SoS.
Yeah, but remember the best thief for you to duel is on SoS
Kronos isn’t on SoS though.. But snuffles and silent Myra are!
Oh, im sorry I should rephrase. The best thief for you to face that doesn’t use cheese is on SoS
Kronos doesn’t run cheese at all.
Wasn’t talking about him.
what server are you on I would love to duel people like you. I love dueling
The best matchup for dueling eles is Mag v SoS v FA.
It’s been that way for a few weeks. I was looking for my topic I made stating just that but couldn’t find it.
Anyways.
IMO the best eles to duel are on Mag and FA (Sorry Moj
), so if you’re not looking to be somewhere permanently, hop on SoS.
Yeah, but remember the best thief for you to duel is on SoS
Kronos isn’t on SoS though.. But snuffles and silent Myra are!
Oh, im sorry I should rephrase. The best thief for you to face that doesn’t use cheese is on SoS
what server are you on I would love to duel people like you. I love dueling
The best matchup for dueling eles is Mag v SoS v FA.
It’s been that way for a few weeks. I was looking for my topic I made stating just that but couldn’t find it.
Anyways.
IMO the best eles to duel are on Mag and FA (Sorry Moj
), so if you’re not looking to be somewhere permanently, hop on SoS.
Yeah, but remember the best thief for you to duel is on SoS
I’m kind of laughing right now. People always calling thieves “OP” and “Cheese”, just makes me laugh. The main reason people call thieves OP is because p/d perplex and d/p SA. Everyone clumps thieves into the same category, I would actually love to see you run s/d and beat eles/necros/Engis/warriors easily all the time. Call thief OP it’s mostly because you haven’t played the class or you met a player using d/p or p/d. The QQ is real
Look at the video in my sig, tell me if it’s what you are wanting. If so feel free to PM me in game and I’ll help out.
I don’t have access to it on mobile so I’ll take a look in a few hours
Sounds good, I’ll have to fix it and make it mobile again.
Look at the video in my sig, tell me if it’s what you are wanting. If so feel free to PM me in game and I’ll help out.
I actually had a warrior in EoTM invite me to a party after killing him and says “You’re so cheese, play a class that takes skill. You play a cheese backstabbing build get good”. The funniest thing is I was playing sword LOL. The QQ is real.
OP, thanks for making the video as i always enjoy watching others play, hell i was even watching a guy craft the other day lol. It’s also always nice to see someone take the effort and actually post for others, either way you look at it posting this CANNOT hurt the community.
Although i agree with some of the people in that they were trying to provide constructive criticism unfortunately doing so on the forums automatically comes across as an attempt at shaming. This is partly because it is so “public” and also because others are quick to jump in and try to come across as “pro” while at the same time generally being negative about everything besides their own godhood.
Let me ask you this OP; how many PM’s have you received from people giving you this advice or help? I’m sure the reasons behind these posts will become clear when you answer.
As for some of the posters, several of you have posted your own videos, builds with “your” name attached to it (as if 70 numbers allocated to 5 slots in 5 and 10 increments could actually be unique…in a demographic of millions) and state throughout that you are dueling some of the “best” or the “BEST” of XYZ class.
So firstly, say’s who? other players, elitists, basement dwellers? the job centre? where is this scoring displayed?…nowhere. So get off your high horse.
Secondly, One of the poster’s in here who i won’t name uses a particular P/D build which revolves around stealthing and heavy health steal etc. Now that build was around in a similiar form since 2012 and was considered THE cheese in WvW. So if your going to shame or hate on another person’s post its best to follow the whole “Pot, Kettle” view.
Or you know, just don’t post.
Seeing as there are no videos that use p/d except mine, you’re talking about me. I will let you know that my p/d is in my offhand and I rarely use it anymore. S/D is what’s fun, might swap pistol for sb who knows.
I feel sorry for OP, this thread shows me why I don’t post here much anymore, each time you bring something to this forum the troll zerg comes and talks out of their kitten. Great vid btw, we don’t all play the same and don’t take crap from all these people who haven’t figured out yet how to take their thumbs out of their kitten,
Not true, no one gave me crap about my video when I posted it. This just isn’t very good gameplay i’m sorry to say.
Not true, i enjoyed your video. It’s part of the reason i’ve started trying s/d.
That’s good man, but I was stating that I never got any hate from my video
When I went I also found an amazing thief and an amazing guardian… S+D/P+D or D+P (not sure) thief and I think GS/S+F guardian… Yeah i kept losing to them a lot and enjoying some good duels when Odinzu and some other trolls from his guild EP started killing them for no reason and they left leaving nobody in the arena…. Maguuma server is really good duelists from what I’ve seen.
The thief sounds like Amonatory if he is from SoS BLNT guild.
It can’t be me though since he’s on my server, he’s more than likely talking about kittenz.
I feel sorry for OP, this thread shows me why I don’t post here much anymore, each time you bring something to this forum the troll zerg comes and talks out of their kitten. Great vid btw, we don’t all play the same and don’t take crap from all these people who haven’t figured out yet how to take their thumbs out of their kitten,
Not true, no one gave me crap about my video when I posted it. This just isn’t very good gameplay i’m sorry to say.
Thank god forum hero here wants to prove he has a bigger kitten than his neighbor. Who cares, it’s a game let people play bad if it doesn’t fit your book.
I don’t even care if he plays bad. I was proving you wrong, and stating my opinion
Amon gets mentioned in the ele forums almost as much as he does in the thief forums.
#wtbamongears
You know, I absolutely agree to this. I think I might be mentioned more on the ele forums than thief :O Creeppyyy. But this is definately the best matchup ive had in a LONGGG time. Been missing Mag
I feel sorry for OP, this thread shows me why I don’t post here much anymore, each time you bring something to this forum the troll zerg comes and talks out of their kitten. Great vid btw, we don’t all play the same and don’t take crap from all these people who haven’t figured out yet how to take their thumbs out of their kitten,
Not true, no one gave me crap about my video when I posted it. This just isn’t very good gameplay i’m sorry to say.
I clicked the video, watched 1 minute or so, I left to get food…. and you’re still stealthed.
GG Anet, D/P underpowered plz buffz!
It’s not impossible as a D/D Ele to kill a P/D thief but it is a hard fight. No D/D ele in their right mind will use ether renewal against a P/D perp thief at least not fighting a decent one.
This sits in the realm of melee vs ranged which is why D/D ele vs necro is a very hard fight you need to get into melee for damage same happens in P/D perp vs D/D Ele. It’s not impossible but it isn’t a easy fight for D/D ele by any means. If you are patient and abuse body shot when needed as P/D you shouldn’t lose to tbh.
Hey Amon
Hi.
if youre a good player then you shouldnt be complaining about anything, countering D/P is easy
okay countering snuffles d/p build isnt easy, okay continue complaining some more
You are kinda confused because your “loveyoulongtime” snuffles use same D/P build that everyone else use 0/30/30/10 – thats what you said. Just he has some more processing power then your typical thief player who got his build from google/forums and added more survivability to his gear to while maintaining most of his backstab damage to specifically kill glassy newbs.
triggerless is a newb?
amonatory is a newb?At which part I said that ? And at witch part these 2 ppl complained about “loveyoulongtime” snuffles killing them?
“backstab damage to specifically kill glassy newbs.”
and forget amon hes a raging newb
Yeah man, I rage so hard! The truth is it’s not me “raging” I honestly don’t care if I die to d/p especially snuffles tank build. I play s/d, I’m going to stick to it even if I die to d/p sometimes.
Ok everyone. Show is over. OP is a known awful player and forum troll. Nothing to see here.
Agreed.
I play p/d perplexity as I’m decent not pro and I have great success i beat serane a couple times around 3 and got beaten like 2 times which proves how OP it is a noob beating a pro like serane. It’s just so OP I’ll post some WvW footage soon.
P/D in general isn’t OP it’s the runes. Also, facing an ele while using p/d is an easy win. You choose to use the easy runes.. Also serane kills you almost evertime, stop trying to lie on the forums.
Oh yeah i forgot YOU WERENT AT THE ARENA YESTERDAY. I keep losing as d/d which d/d ele counters. And did you know elementalist has many forms of condition clear like ETHER renewal which serane didn’t swap to for some reason as well as swapping to water cures 2, dodging in water cures one, water 5 cures another, so I don’t see how ele is disadvantaged here…
And to the dude who said hes pro at warrior in spvp I have a couple words, Warrior and I’m talking about wvw not spvp… Warrior broken in spvp…. Level a character to 80 get gear duel serane see who’s bad lol.
Bro, do you even play ele? You must not because it really doesn’t matter what you clear, you will have those conditions right back on you in a couple seconds. To your “why he didn’t use ether” question here’s the answer, if you’re a perplex thief you have access to a lot of interrupts so ether is pointless.
d/p higher skill floor than sword , this is too funny.
and perma stealth d/p kills plenty , they still do as much dmg ( or close to ) as the trickery build.Hitting the 3 button over and over takes much more skill than 5 2 2 2. Heck you don’t even have to push that 3 button fast….there’s a delay!
So you’re saying that every sword thief spams 3? I know one thing I don’t spam 3 and have proof shown in my video. D/P takes little to no skill, there is no debate.
I play p/d perplexity as I’m decent not pro and I have great success i beat serane a couple times around 3 and got beaten like 2 times which proves how OP it is a noob beating a pro like serane. It’s just so OP I’ll post some WvW footage soon.
P/D in general isn’t OP it’s the runes. Also, facing an ele while using p/d is an easy win. You choose to use the easy runes.. Also serane kills you almost evertime, stop trying to lie on the forums.
S/X > D/P
The 3 spam builds are far more OP/Cheesy than any D/P build
If you lose to sword as D/P it’s a L2P issue.
Everyone knows S/X has been the thief meta for some time now. I believe it’s time for you to admit it to yourself
You are making yourself look like a complete idiot. Sword is rare anymore ever since the nerf, d/p is the obvious meta. I’m not sure what game you’re playing but it’s obviously not the same as me. Stop defending d/p.
S/X > D/P
The 3 spam builds are far more OP/Cheesy than any D/P build
If you lose to sword as D/P it’s a L2P issue.
So what you are saying is, using d/p and zerking someone down in seconds isn’t cheese? Please keep running the standard pvp build 10/30/0/0/30 and say it requires skill. Make me laugh more.
We’re 50/50 right now, so I’ll give you some benefit of the doubt. But you really should try playing 10/30/0/0/30, especially against all the broken stuff in WvW. Because if you don’t think it requires at least some semblance of “skill,” then nothing in this game does.
I have ran that build. I am not a fan of it because almost everyone I see uses condi, and with the lack of survivability in the build is useless to me. Sure, it requires some skill, but playing d/p with it isn’t as hard as playing s/d with it.
Emm this is basic everyday d/p build just with tanky gear- solely based on hidden killer and backstab crits. And you act like you uncovered some deep hidden secret or smth lol.
So much this.
However, what’s the deal with linking other people’s specs?! First Amonatory’s and now this. None of these specs is something new but I am pretty sure that if they wanted to precisely give them to others – they would do so themselves. Thief community is shooting itself in the foot.
I agree man, if I wanted to give my build away I would do it myself. I don’t want some thief who rages at me to spread a wrong build. Anyways, that’s what I’m saying, I’ve talked to snuffles before and she rarely just gives away her own spec and certainly wouldn’t want someone posting it.
Okay, this is coming from a thief who does outnumbered and duels almost everyday. The pure amount of skill this build takes is 0%.. I’ve faced snuffles, I know exactly how the build works. Sure, I main s/d but that’s because s/d is fun.. But in all seriousness this is beyond the dumbest thief build I’ve ever fought. You get the thief low (which is hard, because high armor) and they heal to full just by pressing 5 2. Snuffles is enough, we don’t need anymore cheese d/p thieves running around.
I’d say Shadow Arts in general is cheese, requires no skill…
Basically the thief version of PU Mesmer.
So what you are saying is, using d/p and zerking someone down in seconds isn’t cheese? Please keep running the standard pvp build 10/30/0/0/30 and say it requires skill. Make me laugh more.
For some reason I sense a bit of sarcasm and a sprinkle of kitten in this post.
I was mad when i first faced this build as it was a 3v1 in OUR camp…and he got 2 stomps off and lived
3v1 and in your supply camp and you guys couldn’t kill him/her? Sorry if I sound harsh but these players just suck.
A build will carry you only so far…
Regarding the build itself, I have no complaint other than you lose about 30-40% of your DPS; lower powr due to cav primary stat is toughness (roughly 100-150 if you use all cav trinkets), -15% crit damage from armor, another 10% from runes, and anywhere from 5-10% for lack of crits.
Okay, this is coming from a thief who does outnumbered and duels almost everyday. The pure amount of skill this build takes is 0%.. I’ve faced snuffles, I know exactly how the build works. Sure, I main s/d but that’s because s/d is fun.. But in all seriousness this is beyond the dumbest thief build I’ve ever fought. You get the thief low (which is hard, because high armor) and they heal to full just by pressing 5 2. Snuffles is enough, we don’t need anymore cheese d/p thieves running around.
Honestly, Snuffles probably wouldn’t like you giving out her easy mode d/p build. Just saying.
Bump. Also you should see the mail and messages he sent me for posting this lmao.
You still talking? Not a single person cares. Please stop posting on the forums.
You guys have to remember, the people who cry about warriors are obviously not a skilled player.. Now, heal sig does need the nerf it’s getting but honestly the only time I lose to a warrior is when I mess up. In my opinion warriors are an easy class, but not OP..
The QQ is strong here. It’s obviously a L2P issue, no need to make a post.
haha u guys all need to calm down :P
if you dont like my video then you dont like it
im not going to kill myself over it. i also dont really care much for what the majority of you guys think about my play. Why? because i know what im doing and im pretty successful with it. like i said in the original post. we have EOTM and im on TC who are red this week sooo if any of you want to duel then by all means im open to it![]()
even in spvp, so feel free to ask. i dont bite and im a nice guy.a lot of friends among eles and in general asked me to make solo content again because i kinda stopped so i did. i fought what was in the sanctum during the week, its not my fault if there was a lack of condi builds and classes. i fight them all the same. i didnt post this here to claim that i am the best ele . like ozii said word of mouth travels fast. enjoy the video and if you did im happy.
I saw you in the arena and there was an s/d thief you lost to a lot, but I ask why isn’t that in the video? It’s obvious you’re just showing wins.
What does it matter? You can’t make a video because you rarely win duels… No one would show a loss unless it’s a best out of 5 or something. Anyways, nice video Serane.
What builds!? Thieves still have builds?
No. lol
And is ShadowNinja trying to be mean? Cuz mean people make me sad.
Basically, I trolled him and called him bad so he gives my build away, even tho the gear is wrong. Hes just being childish ignore it
LMAO…. Thats not build, but good try big boy
. I find it funny as hell that you try to give a build thats not mine to people haha
It’s urs u told me ingame and plus Princess Snuffle is better at s/d than you an d/p > s/d.
Was there a reason to make this thread? It seems to me like you have something against amon. Also, does it matter if snuffles can or can’t beat him? I’m getting the feeling you may have died to him a few too many times.
There is no point. He’s like 8 years old and tries to give my build to everyone, and acts like I claimed to be the best thief NA. I’m not I lose to d/p sometimes oh boy. He’s just being childish and ive never even fought the guy since hes on my server.. Absolutely pointless post.

Oh well though.
), so if you’re not looking to be somewhere permanently, hop on SoS.