Guild Wars 2

saiyr.3071:

When are we gonna see some AD vs WM videos?

I would put my money on AD. WM is severely overrated in terms of actual combat skilI. I was watching AD slaughter tons of Kaineing from the sidelines.

I vote for Holy Crossbow. Fires Holy Bolts that burn targets. Realistically, staff isn’t a ranged weapon. Scepter is very lackluster, but its “good enough” to kite bosses around with in PvE.

Lol this is just going to make more people reroll to a thief or mesmer. They probably thought the people in the “7v X amount of people” videos were OP because they used their combo fields and AoE’s well. Have you ever seen an Ele actually land meteor shower on you? I haven’t.

Merging servers would only equal in more culling. People transferring only has to do with the idea of “flavor of the month”, in NA, its Kaineing for now.

Guardian DPS is impossible. Stacking toughness to a certain degree helps, but guess what, with only <14k life you are still 1 shottable by full glass cannon warrior, and a full glass cannon thief could 2-3 shot you. Doesn’t even matter how good you are. Toughness scales horribly vs burst dps. How do I know this? I have 3125 armor and I still get kill shotted by non glass cannon warriors for 8k easy. In additon, your build doesn’t even accommodate our best trait line Valor. Im not trying to discourage you, but if you want DPS (or burst) + survivability then you’ll wanna go Warrior.

As for PvE, you could slap on anything and survive you’re a guardian. Arah isn’t a dungeon you’ll need to gear a certain way for as its more of learning when to dodge the bosses moves (most will 1 shot you regardless of build). As for high lvl fractals (30+), you’ll want to run a heal build and spam tome of courage.

Kerithlan.1659:

Archer.1658:

Kerithlan.1659:

Archer.1658:

Well this is fun, Kaineng zergs of 30+ everywhere. Sigh, I honestly can’t believe how many people bandwagoned to this server.

In my personal opinion, not enough.

I think 50% of every servers’ players should transfer to Kaineng.

I agree, if their plan is to make it to Tier 1 and Crush it they will need more transfers, which they will get every time they continually climb up, people like to win and will join winning servers, it will never change. Not saying there aren’t loyal guilds to ones server.

No, you misunderstand. I think the whole thing is funny. I don’t care about tiers or who they crush or even if they do. I just think the idea of having literally half of the WvW population on one server is downright hilarious.

I think it’s rather pathetic that Anet allows this. But I could see how people will find it hilarious, especially all those in Tier 1 who will be like wtf bbqsauce.

Kerithlan.1659:

Archer.1658:

Well this is fun, Kaineng zergs of 30+ everywhere. Sigh, I honestly can’t believe how many people bandwagoned to this server.

In my personal opinion, not enough.

I think 50% of every servers’ players should transfer to Kaineng.

I agree, if their plan is to make it to Tier 1 and Crush it they will need more transfers, which they will get every time they continually climb up, people like to win and will join winning servers, it will never change. Not saying there aren’t loyal guilds to ones server.

They will probably be doing AoE nerfs across the board, if not, then they better prepare for a lot of rage from eles and such.

Well this is fun, Kaineng zergs of 30+ everywhere. Sigh, I honestly can’t believe how many people bandwagoned to this server.

Brutaly.6257:

Archer.1658:

Like i said, stick with your cookie cutter AH build.

I have no troubles landing hammer skills or the sword skills.

Using food to “complete” builds is ridiculous, they were never intended as such.

Kind of off topic, but something you should know:
The skill lvl on tier 1 server is actually no different than any other server, if you ever even thought that, I really shouldn’t take you seriously.

Once again i dont play only AH, its the one that bests suits my present gameplay but i play several other builds and weapons as well, even mace which i have a sincere hate for.

Weird you stated on several places that ZE and RoW are useless and the former cant hit. I disagree, its a matter of learning how to use them just as its a matter of learning how to use the mace or any other weapon.

Weird, you seem to have information regarding Anets intention with food and that food isnt a component that should be centric in a buildconcept. Where did you get that info?

I state the opposite, considering how strong the food buffs are, if you havent figured out why some proccs from critfood are much stronger then the same procc on a sigil i think its time to start figuring that out, i believe you miss out on a lot of diversity.

Since i play on several servers in different tiers i know there is a difference and overall skill i better in higher tiers given the same population, there is a reason for them being T1 servers.
On the other hand the team i play with in lower tiers have better individuals but we have chosen to switch servers to meet up with the best guilds in EU.

So in general they are better in higher tiers, hence the higher tier, but there are also exeptions to the rule.

Got to go and play some more shoutbased warrior now, i just love 400hps, 4k burstskill with hammer and 24k health with 3k armor combined with 5k aoe heals.

The skill difference from a Tier 1 Server to a Tier 8 Server in term of “killing” is no different. The only difference is sieging experience and population. If you honestly think otherwise, again I feel sorry for you. Go ahead and use food to compensate for a professions LACK of diversity in their trait lines, you’re only fooling yourself. I bet it would be funny to forget and then you suddenly find yourself losing a lot. I also find it comical you hate the mace, which is one of our better weapons. You’ll pretty much just say the opposite of what I say I suppose. I didn’t expect to change the minds of all guardians in one day.

xiv.7136:

Archer.1658:

KensaiZen.3740:

Why do you think they keep nerfing us and buffing warriors? Its because we are awesome. On paper it looks like the warrior gets lits of nice things but they lack build synergy that makes Guardians far stronger.

It takes more skill to play a guardian and if you play it well, you will never lose to a warrior.warriors are actually considered a lower tier class by the pro’s. Guardian is floating near the top.

Because its blatant class favoritism. Warrior was designed for its high dps, but has the ability to be more tanky than a guardian and pretty much heal just as much as we do given that they trait and gear for it, just as we have too.
Every sPvP guardian will run a cookie cutter AH hammer/staff build and just hold a point, it takes no skill.

Indure.5410:

I’m sorry but you don’t seem to have a complete grasp of the Guardian class if you think we are just a water down warrior. A warrior’s superior innate defenses in no way compare to a guardian’s active defenses when played by a skillful player. Personally, one of my favorite classes to fight in PVP is a warrior, because they don’t have nearly the survivability and escapes of some of the other classes. If a warrior engages they are pretty much stuck in a fight to the death, which if you can avoid their burst, means it will be theirs.

Um, warriors has plenty of defenses. Shield, Enduring Pain, Sword for mobility, Warhorn for mobility, Rush (although the animation glitchs a lot). As for dodging their burst thats just a silly argument, because u can dodge a guardians burst/dps just as easily lol. All the while your busy dodging a warriors hundred blades for example, he can just pull out of the fight, pull out rifle and range you to death.

You must be a terribad guardian, or have no clue about warriors, to believe this.

I play both guardian and warrior, in tpvp and wvw, and guardian is basically in every way an upgraded warrior.

Sure you can stomp the occasional newbie with a frenzy 100b once in a while, or get a big kill shot crit. But guardian can mow down 10 of those newbies without breaking a sweat, and do amazing group support and healing that puts the warrior to shame at the same time.

And for fighting good players, guardian>>>>>warrior, by far.

Definitely not, prove it. What rank are you in tPvP? How much kills do you got in WvW on ur Warrior vs Guardian? Post a video of your epic guardianess please, as it stands your argument is im bad because you say I am. Hey, guess what? I think you’re a terribad guardian. Oh I think i know a bit about warriors, considering I said I have one. Oh and how are you planning on mowing down those 10 people? I guarantee you will die almost instantly if 10 people focus fired you (not saying a warrior wouldn’t).

Kerithlan.1659:

Archer.1658:

Thread is obvious, knowing they are coming into t5 they need more people. No matter how good one guild is they cannot carry a server. I lol @ kaineing being a wvw orientated server, you fools were stuck at the bottom t8 until WM transferred and now just riding on their glory. Prepare to be disappointed.

They also got Rethesis from Darkhaven and a few others I can’t recall offhand, and then their growth spurt happened. It isn’t just War Machine, it’s like 8 guilds at this point.

Im surprised RE bandwagoned to Kaineing… I had respect for their hard work they put into DH, now gone. Well then, this means war.

Thread is obvious, knowing they are coming into t5 they need more people. No matter how good one guild is they cannot carry a server. I lol @ kaineing being a wvw orientated server, you fools were stuck at the bottom t8 until WM transferred and now just riding on their glory. Prepare to be disappointed.

Lol @ Maguuma trying so hard with their reverse psychology. =P

Soryuju.8164:

Archer.1658:

As far as Brutaly is concerned he can go play his cookie cutter AH build in t1 and act like its impressive.

I enjoy the part where you dismiss viable, competitive Guardian builds handled by good players and go on to criticize other builds played in the worst possible ways. I sincerely hope you’re trolling.

Speaking from a PvP perspective, the metagame disagrees with your analysis. Guardians are considered mandatory for any competitive team, while Warriors of all varieties are lucky to be chosen for the 5th slot. A well-played 100B Warrior is not able to take down a well-played bunker Guardian without help – if they were able to, Warriors would be meta, rather than fringe choices. A typical bunker Guardian has access to multiple stun breaks, sources of Protection, extra dodges, Aegis, Stability, invulnerability skills. various forms of CC, and so on, and all of these forms of defense are excellent for disrupting the Warrior’s burst combos and/or mitigating their sustained output. The only time a Warrior is going to down a decent Guardian is when the Guardian is already occupied with/worn down by the Warrior’s teammates, and many classes would be capable of downing a Guardian in such a scenario. The Warrior, in general, is useful to a team when his combo is up, because a standard 100B combo is a glass cannon that isn’t suitable for prolonged combat against decent opponents.

In regard to your arguments about the 1h Sword…I really haven’t the faintest idea what you’re talking about, and have to question if you’ve actually used the 1h Sword before. Flashing Blade missing? Maybe if you try to use it without taking a target first, or trying to cast it out of range, but otherwise, that simply doesn’t happen. Zealot’s Defense will miss in the same way that the Warrior’s 100B will miss if you don’t set it up – I would personally suggest leading with the Scepter’s Immobilize while mixing in Smite (which will also hit quite nicely if you set it up) and Flashing Blade for the gap closer (no need to waste JI, which you seem to be concerned about).

Overall, I have to agree with Brutaly that this is a L2P issue. Maybe Guardian simply isn’t the class for you, if you’ve played it for so long and haven’t seen good results. Many other people have come forth in this thread to claim that they do not struggle when using the Guardian, and, conversely, enjoy great success. As things stand, the fact is that Guardians are considered a critical class for high-level Fractals, TPvP, and serious WvW, while Warriors do not share that distinction. If Guardians are somehow terrible in spite of being required in all game areas, and in spite of thousands of players seeing superior results with them, I would love to know how that is.

The metagame is based off what is used more frequently. How many warriors actually run shouts or banners? Not many, and thats because they dont wanna play a supportish way, but if they do, they proved a mix of dps + defensive support. Guardian does not. Have u ever seen a lvl 40+ fractal party? 4/5 of them are guardians, using a heal spec + running tome of courage because of the agony, so great excelling in PvE. Op Stats we are a water-downed warrior, and is quite accurate. WE were never meant for DPS. a 100b warrior usually wont kill a bunker guardian, true, but the bunker guardian usually wont kill a 100b warrior either. Can a dps guardian kill a bunker warrior let alone anyone while surviving? Nope. Scepters immoblize is on too long of a cooldown for effective use in WvW or sPvP. Guardians are favored in tPvP, because can control a point better than a warrior, nothing more

Oh and lets break down your how bad guardian really is in giving allies boons.

Protection – Hold the line, Save Yourselves, VoC if traited. SoP that you have to stand in.

Aegis – Retreat, VoC

Stability -Stand your ground, VoC if traited, hollowed ground.

Invurnrability – Renewed Focus 3 secs AS AN ELITE.(90 second cooldown can be traited for lower requires 30 into virtues, waste, compared a warriors utility enduring pain of 5 secs).

I dont know where you get the idea that guardians are great at this. My friends ele gives better boons to a party than a guardian ever will, just as an example. People like to comment l2P when faced with the truth, im ok with that.

I like where this is going, good job anet. I only see greatness in this next upcoming patch.

Brutaly.6257:

Archer.1658:

As far as Brutaly is concerned he can go play his cookie cutter AH build in t1 and act like its impressive.

Lol, i play numerous builds, the fact is that i only play AH in Tpvp and in pugs. In my guild i play various setups and often change build, like 5 times each evening.

I even tried Bash build and it works and has some serious impact, is it for me, no but it works really well. And if you can play sword or hammer there is nothing wrong with those weapons but its a l2p issue.

And why is it bad that a build relies on food? Is it also bad if it relies on specific sigils, runes, a specific weapon or a specific size of healthpool? Imo the only thing that determines the strength of a build is how competitive it is, not how it got competitive.

I have 1h sword in my tpvp setup and there are no issues what so ever and i hit with ZD just as i hit with the all the hammer skills, it just takes some preparation, keeping track on dodges and timing.

People that are used to instant casts and a traditional aiming system will have issues with slower skills, me, the only mmo i played is melee in AoC and then actually hitting comes pretty natural.

If both hammer and 1h sword cant hit shiat then maybe the main issue isnt with the weapons.

Like i said, stick with your cookie cutter AH build. I have no troubles landing hammer skills or the sword skills. The problem is that due to “animation bugs” sword skills tend to miss a lot. For example, flashing blade when your on say a hillside or mighty blow for that matter will too. Its not that the player can’t land them, its because of the “animated bugs” (not sure what else to call them) that happen on certain landscapes that stop them from landing.

Using food to “complete” builds is ridiculous, they were never intended as such. Im not saying you cant, but the fact people do is funny. When i see people running food, I automatically assume they need to compensate for some stat. It also gives a slight edge over players that don’t. Sigils and Runes are a completely different story, Rune sets were designed specifically for certain builds that can take advantage of the bonuses they give to certain builds. Its not so much that using food is bad, its that he needs it for his build to work effectively.

Kind of off topic, but something you should know:
The skill lvl on tier 1 server is actually no different than any other server, if you ever even thought that, I really shouldn’t take you seriously.

Jusanden.3897:

I highly recommend you actually play the class before complaining about the class…

Sword is absolutely terrible. Flashing blade animation is awful, and you will almost never land the blind unless you are point blank range.

If you have ever even tried the guardian sword, you would know that flashing blades has an instant travel time and that the only delay between firing it and the blind landing is around 0.5 seconds of swinging time which does not change with distance.
Like several others have mentioned: How the heck do warriors dodge flashing blades, zealots defense, ray of judgement and the 0.5 second cast immobilize skill. Those can be cast in way less then 5 seconds, the only classes that has anywhere near the amound of dodges to dodge even more then a half of that combination are mesmers, elementalists and thiefs.

Let me counter your argument with a warrior greatsword/rifle argument, written in the same style as yours.

Greatswords HB can be dodged easily, its 100% useless in sPvP and WvW, if you use frenzy and bulls rush to hit it, congradulations someone just used a stunbreaker and walked away leaving you with 2 used cds. whirlwind attack is a good skill, bladetrail is so slow and does bad damage even if it hits, rush is utter crap, rifle’s cripple shot does next to no damage, volley is so easy to dodge, its so slow, and vunerability shot thingy does no damage. Kill shot won’t ever hit, it takes too long to cast, and is dodged so easily.Therefore you would be smashed within seconds. So the warrior cookie cutter build is quite weak. I applaud your attempts at countering someones argument, but your logic is quite flawed.

Uh yeah, sword is quite terrible, the fact that zealots defense roots you makes you an easy target. Ray of judgements travel speed is unrealiable. I never said GS/rifle, I said GS Axe + shield. What you posted is what happens if a warrior trys to blow all his cooldowns to instantly kill you. Good warriors like any other good players don’t do that. Bladetrail does great damage actually, so wrong there. As for the rest, I didnt use rifle as an argument, but heres i’ll toy with you. Volley will destroy you, simple, bleeds and vulnerability as well. Kill shot if missed, only has a recharge, and please try and dodge a kill shot that has frenzy while used. Apparently your logic is quite flawed sir.

Bakitten291:

Archer.1658:

The fact you NEED food in your build is a sad. You rely on it, you need it. The fact you based your build that relies on food proves just how bad ur build is. You wont hit 4k on a target that has 3k armor with 2800 attack and 67% crit damage, as much as you want to think. Obviously when used correct no skill misses, that’s a terrible argument. I could care less about “Christos” opinions, i could get 5 people from my guild to say im a good guardian and it wouldn’t matter. Im not saying i can’t take down warriors either, but you won’t take down a good warrior. Face it.

As far as Brutaly is concerned he can go play his cookie cutter AH build in t1 and act like its impressive.

When a food can apply more healing than anything else your class can do, yes I will make a build around it. It is called being resourceful, and considering I am talking from a WvW standpoint where everyone uses these buffs, why should they not be included? And actually my build was originally based around high Crit AH build using vigor on crit before it got nerfed to oblivion for 1h builds. After that I found another resource to keep my high crit build viable.

Once again, I have no issues taking down warriors. I have done it multiple times before, and will continue to do so with or without you believing it. Honestly at this point I’m left to just believe that you are a troll that really does not know anything about thinking outside of the cookie cutter box for guardian, and will never utilize one to full potential.

Food was never ment to have builds built around it lol. It was there to accommodate for small loops in stats and builds. It was not resourceful, it is pitiful and actually shows how bad guardians need better trait synergy in the tree lines for newer builds. Go ahead and roll over warriors, Im not saying you can’t, im saying you take a good guardian vs a good warrior 1v1, a warrior will come out on top. Simple. You failed to retort to the fact your build has holes in it, your burns only happen so often, yet claim there a huge part of it. Your crit chance is ridiculously high for the amount of crit damage u actually have, your attack and armor suffer as a result. I don’t even want to imagine how much HP u have (i kind of do, probably less than 15k).

Bakitten291:

Archer.1658:

Bakitten291:

Archer.1658:

Lol burn spec, you would die instantly after you burn your meditations.

Sword is absolutely terrible. Flashing blade animation is awful, and you will almost never land the blind unless you are point blank range. Zealots Defense, will almost miss every time and wasting JI to land it, theres goes one of your heals in an attempt to land this move. Ray of Judgement is crap and will miss if not do weak damage. Shield of wraith is good. Scepter is 100% useless in sPvP or WvW PvP, the immoblize takes too long to cast and smite isn’t going to do “good” damage unless they stand in it. Torch is decent dps. Therefore you would be smashed within seconds. So your build is actually worse than a cookie cutter. I applaud your attempts at theory crafting a burning build, but in reality, its quite weak.

I once again give you credit for not being able to click a single link in my sig.
A) its is not a burn spec, it is a hybrid burn spec, as in I added condition damage while inflicting minimal loss of DPS, I still have 2800 power with 1h sword, 72% crit, and 67% crit damage.
B) I play WvW, i get food, Omnomberry pie with 72% crit heals for ALOT. add in passive healing from virtue and heals from meditations, and guess what, tons of self healing while STILL burning you for 500 per tick.

I also love how you say all these skills will miss, Do warriors get an extra 10 dodges or something I don’t know about? The scepter Immobilize is actually very easy to land, and combos directly into smite, even if the immobilize is broken its still getting a few hits in. Zealots is actually VERY easy to land with JI when used correctly and knowing the timing of the wind up, Ray of judgment is used Point blank, so not sure how that is going to miss…

Will some of these moves be dodged? yes, But I am confused on how all of them are supposed to somehow miss like you say. Considering you seem to have no clue how skills are correctly used for guardian I would be amazed if you actually played one.

These moves, will miss because of the angle that one can do. If you do zealots defense, I can move maybe 10 feet to one side, and it will completely miss. No dodge used there. Saying smite will land is more of an exaggeration than saying someone will stand in the symbols, it never happens, and if it does then you’re not playing good players. Again you are wasting a mediation (stun breaker + a heal) just to land it. Oh and your stats are below average. You should never include food into calculating stats, because that is completely situational. You would probably do less than 3k~ crit on warrior with over 3k armor with that attack using zealots defense. Burns stack duration as well only you can only proc VoJ so often, so he only has to cure one condition (or two if immobilized). Keep trying though.

I will include food if it is part of WvW and is a main basis of my healing. And my zealots normally hit for 4k+ on pretty much any target. once again Immobile + smite lands hits, regardless if you think it doesn’t or not. Wasting JI to land my highest damage ability + make it stronger through the 10% extra damage to burning targets trait I also don’t think is a waste. Once again I am sorry if you seem confused about how to play the class.

As far as stats below average, how are they? 72% crit is pretty much well above average, 2800 AP is with my sword, im at 2900 with my GS, my crit damage is once again 67% which is pretty normal, and my armor is just shy of 3k. The only difference is that I gave up a bit of power for more crit because my build counts on them for self healing and condition removal. Maybe you should look into some more diverse builds before you start comparing stats.

Brutaly already agreed with the fact that these skills when used correctly don’t just miss, and Christos has already vouched for my build/skill while playing. I am sorry you cant seem to get that but guardians are fully capable of taking down warriors.

The fact you NEED food in your build is a sad. You rely on it, you need it. The fact you based your build that relies on food proves just how bad ur build is. You wont hit 4k on a target that has 3k armor with 2800 attack and 67% crit damage, as much as you want to think. Obviously when used correct no skill misses, that’s a terrible argument. I could care less about “Christos” opinions, i could get 5 people from my guild to say im a good guardian and it wouldn’t matter. Im not saying i can’t take down warriors either, but you won’t take down a good warrior. Face it.

As far as Brutaly is concerned he can go play his cookie cutter AH build in t1 and act like its impressive.

Bakitten291:

Archer.1658:

Lol burn spec, you would die instantly after you burn your meditations.

Sword is absolutely terrible. Flashing blade animation is awful, and you will almost never land the blind unless you are point blank range. Zealots Defense, will almost miss every time and wasting JI to land it, theres goes one of your heals in an attempt to land this move. Ray of Judgement is crap and will miss if not do weak damage. Shield of wraith is good. Scepter is 100% useless in sPvP or WvW PvP, the immoblize takes too long to cast and smite isn’t going to do “good” damage unless they stand in it. Torch is decent dps. Therefore you would be smashed within seconds. So your build is actually worse than a cookie cutter. I applaud your attempts at theory crafting a burning build, but in reality, its quite weak.

I once again give you credit for not being able to click a single link in my sig.
A) its is not a burn spec, it is a hybrid burn spec, as in I added condition damage while inflicting minimal loss of DPS, I still have 2800 power with 1h sword, 72% crit, and 67% crit damage.
B) I play WvW, i get food, Omnomberry pie with 72% crit heals for ALOT. add in passive healing from virtue and heals from meditations, and guess what, tons of self healing while STILL burning you for 500 per tick.

I also love how you say all these skills will miss, Do warriors get an extra 10 dodges or something I don’t know about? The scepter Immobilize is actually very easy to land, and combos directly into smite, even if the immobilize is broken its still getting a few hits in. Zealots is actually VERY easy to land with JI when used correctly and knowing the timing of the wind up, Ray of judgment is used Point blank, so not sure how that is going to miss…

Will some of these moves be dodged? yes, But I am confused on how all of them are supposed to somehow miss like you say. Considering you seem to have no clue how skills are correctly used for guardian I would be amazed if you actually played one.

These moves, will miss because of the angle that one can do. If you do zealots defense, I can move maybe 10 feet to one side, and it will completely miss. No dodge used there. Saying smite will land is more of an exaggeration than saying someone will stand in the symbols, it never happens, and if it does then you’re not playing good players. Again you are wasting a mediation (stun breaker + a heal) just to land it. Oh and your stats are below average. You should never include food into calculating stats, because that is completely situational. You would probably do less than 3k~ crit on warrior with over 3k armor with that attack using zealots defense. Burns stack duration as well only you can only proc VoJ so often, so he only has to cure one condition (or two if immobilized). Keep trying though.

Kiijj.3594:

Khorthall.1682:

The Hammer is said to be a balanced hybrid for both PvE and PvP for the Guardian. I would just like to toss an idea to say update only TWO of the weapon skills to make the hammer have more variety in battle then only using a limit of two to three weapon skills.

First is Zealot’s Embrace. Skill 3 that immobilizes enemies in a line. This is a solid ability for PvP yet I don’t see it being used as much in PvE, very few mobs run away in combat. Perhaps the damage it does could be removed and a condition would be added? Example would be a stack of Vulnerability (1-3).

Second is Ring of Warding. Skill 5 which creates a ring around you that enemies cannot cross and those trapped inside the ring cannot escape. This is an amazing skill in PvP, almost like you’re creating a personal arena, melee-wise, or for an enemy player to not escape. However in PvE I have seen very little use of it.. the most I have activated this ability for is to create a Ring of Warding and knockback a mob so it doesn’t go past the ring that way I don’t have to go and chase it wherever it was knocked back too. Another is if I have a dozen of melee-mobs chasing after me and I create a Ring of Warding as a barrier for those extra seconds of escape.

What could we do with Ring of Warding? Well, it is possible to add a condition to those who are caught inside the ring, such as a short Burning condition or Vulnerability, I say this because the Ring of Warding only lasts 5 seconds. Another thing that could be added would be a longer duration and/or the ring not only makes foes unable to cross, but also stops projectiles or even reflects them.

Let me know if anyone else fights with a Hammer who is a Guardian, please leave a response of what you think and if you agree with these ideas of changes.

I think Zealot’s Embrace is fine as it is, although I’d prefer it if the projectile actually travels faster.

If Ring of Warding made casteable while on the move or making it instant cast would make it optimum.

I don’t want additonal things, I want fixes. Zealots Embrace is slow and misses a LOT. Ring of Warding is lol bad and almost anything can get out of it. Brb walking out, dodging out, teleporting out, stablitiying out, invurnrability out. The only time it works is in PvE vs trash mobs.

Zealots Embrace – Needs a change in animation (perhaps wider Aoe range) and more damage
Ring of Warding – Just needs fix’s or a tooltip that says everything can practically get out of it. Also, I do like the idea of an instant cast.

Bakitten291:

Archer.1658:

worthless banter of hammer/staff vs GS warrior

Ok seriously, if you are going to argue against me, at least look at my build THAT IS RIGHT IN MY SIG. Sword + focus / scepter+ torch

Sword:
Auto attack: fast, hits for a good amount
Flashing blade: semi week but instant gap closer, blind, and speced to add vuln
Zealots Defense: good burst damage, roots you, but almost always opened with JI to promise hits

focus:
Ray of judgement: 2x blinds from bounce, 2x regen duration from bounce, 6 total stacks of vulnerability, AND some damage (about 1.6k normally when crits)
Shield of wrath: 3 blocks, each block give me might when speced for it, if not used explodes for 5k+ damage crits Also can be used at any time (excluding dazed)

Scpeter:
Auto attack: Wonky at range, but mostly use in melee for my build
Smite: somewhat decent, can be hard to land, but always paired with #3 when opening to promise hits
Chains of light: 900 range immobilize and vulnerability, no problems here

Torch:
Zealots flame: Small AoE burn, with a secondary ability to do very good damage and add a decent length burn at range
Cleansing Flame: Multi hit cone AoE, decent damage.

Also keep in mind that my build is a partial burn build, so every second you have burning thats 500+ damage ticking away, Meditation spec’d healing gives me 1800 heals on every utility use, Shelter as my heal gives me a might stack every time I block (and yes, i will absorb a 100b with it and throw those might stacks back in your face.)

So how about next time you try to argue you use the actual build of the person you are quoting, not some cookie cutter build that you “think” everyone uses.

Lol burn spec, you would die instantly after you burn your meditations.

Sword is absolutely terrible. Flashing blade animation is awful, and you will almost never land the blind unless you are point blank range. Zealots Defense, will almost miss every time and wasting JI to land it, theres goes one of your heals in an attempt to land this move. Ray of Judgement is crap and will miss if not do weak damage. Shield of wraith is good. Scepter is 100% useless in sPvP or WvW PvP, the immoblize takes too long to cast and smite isn’t going to do “good” damage unless they stand in it. Torch is decent dps. Therefore you would be smashed within seconds. So your build is actually worse than a cookie cutter. I applaud your attempts at theory crafting a burning build, but in reality, its quite weak.

Columba.9730:

Not extinct in WvWvW since they can perma stealth without giving up anything.

Most thieves i see these days run some kind of pistol/dagger copying wild bill or some kind of weird pistol whip build. ON rare occasion do I actually see the d/d glass cannon thief.

Hah the typical Backstab/Heartseek Glass cannon thief, i thought those went extinct.

nalenb.1425:

Only fun I had tonight was trying to kill this guy in the invulnerable zone.

What really happened:
DB zerg came in to rescue you.

Jay.3284:

So you use Hammer and Staff and compare it to Greatsword and Axe/shield.

Ignorance is bliss.

Im using what the majority of builds run. 90% of the AH guardian you see run Hammer/Staff and 90% of the Warriors you will see run Greatsword + Axe/Shield. This is the situation that you would run into should you be that guardian vs this warrior. Keep arguing though, I like ur strawman arguments a lot.

Bakitten291:

Archer.1658:

All your arguments are situational. They all require certain situations and a group to effectively pull them off. You will heal less without a party with AH, so consider that out of the bag. The healway guardian is a nice support build, but again no DPS, therefore you’re just stuck soaking damage, might as well play a retaliation build and just afk. You will not beat a good warrior 1v1. Fact. Oh I forgot to add, good players usually dodge other classes moves too, you act like dodging a guardian is hard, it’s incredibly easy.

Generally don’t lose to warriors myself. The good ones are just much closer fights than the bad ones. And the difference between dodging a guardian and dodging a warrior is that most of their damage comes from 1-2 skills, where as ours is more sustained. There is no “this class will always beat this class, fact” in this game. Warriors are good in some areas, Guardians in others, however a good player is going to always beat a bad one regardless, and good vs good is always going to be a close match.

Ok lets break it down. I’ll use the AH Hammer/Staff Guardian as example 1.

Hammer:
1. Auto Attack ~ Symbol of Protection – Very slow move, you will not pull this off and have the player stand it in, symbols are incredibly situational. Otherwise its decent damage for an auto attack up until the casting of SoP
2. Mighty Blow ~ Good damage, good cooldown, easy to see coming though, good for blast combo.
3. Zealots Embrace ~ Bad immoblize animation, misses a lot, “meh” damage, but ranged. which is nice.
4. Bash ~ Good all Around
5. Ring of Warding ~ Bad, you can dodge, stability, leap, teleport and sometimes walk out of it

So..total you have 1 good “DPS” move here but on a short cooldown.

Staff: Not a damage weapon, but has some range (used for sieging past gate usually), just empower when you can for heal, might stacks.

Screwed here.

Warrior using Greatsword + Axe/Shield with Enduring Pain, Bulls Rush, Frenzy (No heal shouts or banners etc)
Greatsword:
1. Auto Attack ~ Meh
2. Hundred Blades ~ One of the best burst moves if it lands, not hard to land if immoblize/stun is placed and timed. Short cooldown and even shorter if traited. Again main argument is that its easy to dodge.
3. Whirlwind attack ~ good burst as well, much harder to dodge, but still argued to be easily dodged.(also can be traited to remove immoblize) Moblity here too.
4. Bladetrail – Decent overall.
5. Rush ~ Mobility, but again bad animation

2-3 good moves here, depending if they “LAND” (because you can dodge so many times ofc)

Axe/Shield Combo:
1.Eviserate ~ Good Burst
2.Auto Attack ~ Good
3.Cyclone Axe ~ Meh
4.Throw Axe ~ Cripple
5. Shield Bash ~ Stun, Very good for getting the eviserate in.
6. Shield Stance ~ Blocks, Very good.

Overall, amazing combo.

Lots of good stuff here. This is just the breakdown of the weapon skills. So the so called guardian sustained damage is coming from where? The retaliation? Where as the warriors have plenty of options for doing the necessary damage to keep you low and eventually you will die because you can’t kill him.

Note: The above situation is just a breakdown of a 1v1 in terms of attacking skills.

Honestly, everyone in the guardian forum makes them out to be “immortal” or can “out heal” all damage. This is not true, you will die eventually, and you will have died in vain doing little to no damage. The warrior can always be on attack, and use their heal. Guardian using their healing options have to stop (empowering might, you will probably take more damage than heal). And I’ll agree you can’t measure player skill vs skill accurately so it will be close.

All your arguments are situational. They all require certain situations and a group to effectively pull them off. You will heal less without a party with AH, so consider that out of the bag. The healway guardian is a nice support build, but again no DPS, therefore you’re just stuck soaking damage, might as well play a retaliation build and just afk. You will not beat a good warrior 1v1. Fact. Oh I forgot to add, good players usually dodge other classes moves too, you act like dodging a guardian is hard, it’s incredibly easy.

Jay.3284:

@Archer

Warrior’s have defenses that last seconds. Guardians have plenty more defenses tribute, the class that can provide protection the easiest, also many regeneration utilities, and not to mention 5 in honour grants vigour on critical hits.

Also if you’re trying to burst as a guardian you’re doing it wrong. Guardians are EXCELLENT are sustained DPS, and outlasting their opponents (Look at how many retaliation up-time they have).

Go play a Warrior and truly experience the class before you theory-craft. It will really help broaden your view on the “favorite” class of Anet

So your plan is to continue healing while doing minimal damage? While your opponent can heal too, and dish out more damage. That makes sense. Oh I have 2 lvl 80 Guardians and a lvl 80 Warrior. In addition I have over 1000 hours played between my 2 guardians and have theory crafted every build possible. A good warrior will beat a good guardian 9 times out of 10. You have to spec into retaliation uptime, and if you plan on playing the boring “retaliation bunker” then I would say go ahead for boring gameplay.

KensaiZen.3740:

Why do you think they keep nerfing us and buffing warriors? Its because we are awesome. On paper it looks like the warrior gets lits of nice things but they lack build synergy that makes Guardians far stronger.

It takes more skill to play a guardian and if you play it well, you will never lose to a warrior.warriors are actually considered a lower tier class by the pro’s. Guardian is floating near the top.

Because its blatant class favoritism. Warrior was designed for its high dps, but has the ability to be more tanky than a guardian and pretty much heal just as much as we do given that they trait and gear for it, just as we have too.
Every sPvP guardian will run a cookie cutter AH hammer/staff build and just hold a point, it takes no skill.

Indure.5410:

I’m sorry but you don’t seem to have a complete grasp of the Guardian class if you think we are just a water down warrior. A warrior’s superior innate defenses in no way compare to a guardian’s active defenses when played by a skillful player. Personally, one of my favorite classes to fight in PVP is a warrior, because they don’t have nearly the survivability and escapes of some of the other classes. If a warrior engages they are pretty much stuck in a fight to the death, which if you can avoid their burst, means it will be theirs.

Um, warriors has plenty of defenses. Shield, Enduring Pain, Sword for mobility, Warhorn for mobility, Rush (although the animation glitchs a lot). As for dodging their burst thats just a silly argument, because u can dodge a guardians burst/dps just as easily lol. All the while your busy dodging a warriors hundred blades for example, he can just pull out of the fight, pull out rifle and range you to death.

Guardians will never get a main buff like more regen or hp, because according to anet that’s making guardians OP. Since the beginning they have nerfed us and gave us mediocre at best buffs, to staff lol. Just reroll a warrior and save yourself the hassle, I predict even more nerfs in the next upcoming patch.

I’d like to thank WAR guild and CL from yaks bend for wiping so many times today. WAR, it was great killing your 6+ golems @ our garrsion. and CL, how many times would u like to wipe at north supply? Love it. =)

2.3kish atm? I always carry 500~600 for siege.

Bunker guardian is no different than any other class that goes bunker. Some do it even better, providing better support such as Warriors, Eles and Engineers,

1. Groups should always have a few bunker build professions, it doesn’t matter which usually.

2. Yes, Bunker Guardians can survive, but they lose a ton of damage, making them practically useless other than meat shields and support with boons/staff.

3. No. Get mumble or a teamspeak and coordinate.

4. 3-5 would be bunker guardians

5. For team support? No bunker guardian is best, for smaller group roaming (5 players) it would be better to be a mix of dps and damage.

Lysico.4906:

I have had fun this week (Yaks player btw)..

My only “issue” is the few EB’ers that like to stay at the glitched spot south of Redlake supply. There is a little jut on a hill that gives you invulnerability buff.

So they run, tag and hit the camp and run back there if anyone comes. Of course they can fight but you can’t.

Now this bug might be on all maps, but no clue as I would never try it. Only see EB folks doing it.

Anet needs to fix that bug/exploit.

Outside of that,been a fun week. I don’t buy into the cry of hackers all the time. People complain the second they lose a fight/keep

Its not a bug or exploit. Also, I’ve seen yaks do it too, amongst many other servers.

saiyr.3071:

We liberated the EBG puzzle from Ehmry twice just now, but they keep coming back for more! Alas, we will not be doing that anymore since our keep is going bye bye even though it has full supply.

Yeah must have been hard to kill 5 of us with 12+ NOVA members and a bunch of yak helping you too. You can have the handicap. =P

@ Tou. I won’t reveal everything but, I run full Knights (Power/Preicison/Toughness) on my Armor pieces, with 5x Crests of the Soldier and 1x Beryl Orb. I don’t use runes, but I think I might soon, because like I said im trying to balance my crit chance + crit damage a bit more while minimizing my loss of armor/life.

@Splody. As requested. Oh and I was wrong, only 3103 Attack.

Hard to tell you what to switch, but you’ll probably want to farm a lot of gold to find the best working armor/jewelry set that basically maximizes the stats you want.

My Stats:
3104 Attack
29% Crit Chance
65% Crit Damage
3125 Armor
16,815 Life

Im still going to tweak mine to maximize my crit chance/crit damage without losing too much armor or life.

zastari.1730:

Archer.1658:

zastari.1730:

dreztina.4820:

But I do find it funny how much ire is directed towards us when mesmers have somehow fallen off the radar.

It is my personal goal to bring mesmer QQ back into style.

You found a nice build in the niche of crappy mesmers. However, it takes 0 skill to stack confusions and have your opponent kill themselves because of it.

Thanks for getting the QQ rolling

Sounds like your upset I speak the truth honestly. No was like “hey that mesmer is really good”, they are more like “oh hey its that lame confusion mesmer again”.

zastari.1730:

dreztina.4820:

But I do find it funny how much ire is directed towards us when mesmers have somehow fallen off the radar.

It is my personal goal to bring mesmer QQ back into style.

You found a nice build in the niche of crappy mesmers. However, it takes 0 skill to stack confusions and have your opponent kill themselves because of it.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Lol, I wonder what these EBayers who are snippy will think next week when they face Dragonbrand.

I think you have forgotten we utterly crushed them before. Not to say they haven’t changed since then.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Alarox.4590:

Lot’s of people posting about berserker-build Guardians that clearly haven’t played them.

If you go full berserkers with a Guardian and go glass cannon, you lose virtually all survival and still don’t gain as much DPS as a Warrior glass cannon.

The point of a glass cannon is to be able to down your enemy quickly enough so that your own lack of defense isn’t a factor. A glass cannon Guardian is basically a free kill for any competent player.

I know because I used to be ignorant and thought a Guardian’s defense would carry over into a full glass cannon. The reality is that Guardians have a very low base survival without Toughness. Light over-time healing is pointless when you’re able to be bursted down by almost anyone due to a base health of 11k.

A full offense guardian is fantastic precisely because your damage output equals that of a glass cannon but you retain the defensive capabilities of a bunker build. As such it’s not accurate to call them a “glass cannon” because there really isn’t any such thing.

Your problem is that you are apparently trying to build your “glass cannon” with the emphasis on the “glass” part and not the “cannon.” The guardian has a ridiculous number of defensive options in general even if he doesn’t want them, though, so trying to say your defense will ever be bad just because your health is low is silly. With greatsword, your gap closer is a blind and you can drop symbol if they are trying to melee you to force your opponent to either back off or take massive damage. With sword, you have a blind and scepter gives you an immobilize for kiting purposes. Focus and shield are both amazing for defensive purposes in general too. You have an instant cast emergency heal that gives regen till you use it (Resolve), a panic button that will block multiple attacks (passive and active Courage), a skill that gives instant invul and then recharges your panic buttons (Renewed), and that’s all stuff that will be on your bar whether you want it or not. I regularly outlast necromancers on my “glass cannon” guardian with no points in Honor or Valor and do just fine.

Your “glass cannon” guardian would get wrecked by any competent chump. Guardian wasn’t meant for dps and never will, as proof anets continual nerfs to our dps. Killing a necro on a guardian doesn’t mean jack since 99% of necros are condition builds, and every rookie guardian runs some kind of condition removal lol. I would love to see this full DPS guardian by the way.

How about no. I faceroll any guardian using spirit weapons on any of my 80s.

Iddiozzia.3489:

Guys i’ll ask a question here since i and don’t really know much about guardian or warriors at level 80.
I got both to level 20 right now and i can’t decide which one i should choose (mainly for wvw skirmishing and small group fights)
From the thread i could learn that warriors are more fit in the hit n run role so it would be the right choice, yet i like guardian spells much more and i wanted to know if it’s possible to do that on a guardian aswell.
In short, i need to know if it’s possible to build the guardian as a very mobile unit that hit n runs decently, worse than warriors or thieves ofc, but still fairly playable.
I couldn’t find any build/thread/video of a bursty roamer guardian so i’m asking it here cuz i don’t want to find out at level 80 that guardian can only be a support tank or a fairly damaging but not mobile prof, i need mobility to be the priority for what i want to do.

You will want Warrior then. Guardian has no roaming capabilities what so ever. Swiftness =/= mobility as I argue. Warrior can be burst + tanky, where a guardian cannot.

But really, it sounds like you want to play a thief. They have the burst and mobility you’re looking for.

3104 Power
29% Crit Chance
65% Crit Damage
3125 Armor
16,815 Hp

Unbuffed.

Would mag stop being cowards and attack yak on their home borders, you are practically feeding them points.

Warrior is better in every way possible.

Warrior:
Range – Check
Amazing Dps with any weapon selection – Check
Amazing Hp Pool that can be stackable with toughness just like a guardian – Check
Ability to Heal through banners/shouts – Check
Decent Elites – Check

Guardian:
We sound cool – Check

fellyn.5083:

Archer.1658:

Besetment.9187:

Rethesis is classy and one of the big reasons we are rooting for Darkhaven in every match. Go go DH!

Think so? Because I just happened to find a spy from them on Ehmry Bay.

Ms Refurinn[RE] I believe. Now It’s possible he/she is finishing map completion, but at least have the respect to take off the guild tag in doing so.

No one from rethesis would endorse a spy if it were known. That being said, we haven’t gotten through the loss of DH’s wvwvw population unscathed. We have lost a lot of players to other servers as well.

Short of conspiracy theories there are a lot of reasons why some one with an RE tag might be on your server. Then again, conspiracy theories are fun???

Funny. I found another one of your members today in Eternal, Low level thief too. Argent Bandit i think it was.

Options:
1. You’re sending people over to spy
2. You’re recruiting in overflows
3. They came over to do JPs/World Completion

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was all three.

Besetment.9187:

Rethesis is classy and one of the big reasons we are rooting for Darkhaven in every match. Go go DH!

Think so? Because I just happened to find a spy from them on Ehmry Bay.

Ms Refurinn[RE] I believe. Now It’s possible he/she is finishing map completion, but at least have the respect to take off the guild tag in doing so.