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I wonder if he will reply back
Sure I will, but I will also allow myself to disregard what most people said because they clearly don’t grasp what constitutes good game-design.
O’rly? Please tell me all the games you designed. So we can compare your history to this asinine OP.
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Dodge is justified when talking about Thieves spamming HS and PW. You dodge 2 or more of them, the thief has nothing else in the gas tank to beat you with.
So it is very balanced considering that you avoided all that damage that you say is OP.
I main a Thief, you will never hear me talk about the equal damage that Eviscerate and 100 Blades does compared to a BS or HS and PW. Why? Because I am aware that there is a dodge button. So that is fairly balanced.
I am simply astonished at how many people never dodge or read their opponent.
Some professions are more forgiving with it, because they have innately more health and armor. As a Thief, you have the lowest and you have to learn how to read your opponent. Otherwise Thieves will come into the forums crying about how OP Warriors etc are because you got one shot with full endurance.
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The best part about all the Heartseeker QQ is how bad you have to be to actually die to someone spamming it. Yea, I understand it can be annoying to be at 4K heath and have someone heartseeker you out of nowhere but that’s the nature of getting Arsjammed. It happens all the time and any prof can do it. Any burst build from any profession makes them stand out when you are outnumbered and requires the majority of your focus.
Now assuming you are talking about a semi 1 on 1 situation. If you are dying to heartseeker spam then you really need to evaluate your decision making, utilities and your dodge key.
When people talk about “Heartseeker spam” today they rarely refer to the Heartseeker spaming builds of the early days where players would spam it from 100% to 0%.
Spaming is chaining >2 Heartseekers after each other which isn’t all that ineffective if a target is below 50% HP.
Heartseeker puts a target under a lot of pressure considering how easy it is to use.
It doesn’t matter what is in the past for HS, and even still. What he says had merit to the past incidents too. Dodging will always make it a bad time for a HS Spammer.
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People hate thieves because they don’t want to have to think to hard when fighting them. They are only concerned with how their profession performs. Normally a decently executed dodge will mitigate all of that BS damage, HS spam and PW Spam. Here in lies the problem, people don’t want to actually learn how to deal with a thief. Instead it is easier to complain about them. When I had issues with Warrior in the beginning, and so what I did was start dueling Warriors and I made a Warrior to understand their weaknesses. Same with Mesmer and Elementalist. Once I did that… I never have had an issue with Warriors, Elementalists and Mesmers, also on those professions. I NEVER have a problem with ANY Thief build. Why? Because I know how to counter them from my experience as a Thief.
I would like people to play a Thief and see how easy it is to avoid our damage, if you use basic common sense. You see a thief stealth near you, make a educated guess and dodge roll, throw an AOE slow, AOE stun or make yourself hard to hit (be in a crowd of players or pets or make yourself invisible). I can almost guarantee that the Thief will miss his BS on you, if he is Pow/Pre he has only 3 secs to hit you and if he has Shadow Arts focused. The BS isn’t going to do a whole lot.
Stealth is always the bogey-man in MMOs. It is always what people kitten about. Why? Mainly because it is easy to kitten and most visible (no pun intended). Mesmers can be just as annoying with their clones and do the exact same hit and run tactics as Thief, along with being able to stealth. The reason that Mesmers aren’t number 1 on the kitten list, is because stealth isn’t the central feature of the profession.
When I see people complaining about how OP a Thief is, first thing I note is the profession (usually Warrior or Elementalist, not sure why but they seem to complain the most when other professions are weaker) and then the actual complaint. Most of the time it is always about our stealth and burst from stealth. I always gives tips on how to help mitigate that damage and it is always met with STFU OP THIEF!
I know that my advice helps and works, because I give the same to my friends and now they don’t have issues with thieves. From my observations, the people doing the bulk of complaining on the forums are the lazy players that don’t want to work on getting better. They would rather have ANet bring everyone else down to their level of play instead of learning what they could be doing better.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
You can thank the Warriors and Elementalists for all their QQ about how OP you are and the subsequent nerfs to Thief.
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If you are asking for them to be diminished, then you are indeed asking for nerfs.
Well let me quote you, because you apparently forgot what you typed.
“Anyone else feel like stealth stomping needs to gtfo?” and then you say “I have no issues with stability stomps, mist form stomps etc…”
So from the way you typed things, it looks like you want to have Stealth Stomps removed and all the other ability assisted stomps are just fine and dandy. Anyone with invulnerability, quickness and stability are just as OP as a stealth stomp from your point of view.
I swear, people just won’t be happy until thief is near worthless in SPvP.
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I roll with PD and DD condi. When I am 1v1 I go PD and when I am outnumbered I switch to DD for the AOE condition stacking.
Always using my stealth to build up some more Initiative and wiping my conditions.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
I swear, you never see this kitten in the other profession’s forums.
You never see other professions crying for nerfs on them. Especially Warriors and Elementalists (those two are the biggest thief whiners).
If you are losing to LDB spam, then you need to either get better at the game or just uninstall.
There are plenty of ways to remove conditions in the game. Most heal abilities have one that removes conditions, there are other utilities that remove conditions, dodging, combo fields that remove conditions and finally teammates that can remove them (this is a team based PvP system after all).
If you can’t manage to live through LDB spam with what is available. You are terrible and shouldn’t be on these forums calling for nerfs. Instead you should just stop playing or L2P your profession because learning to fight ability spammers are probably the easiest thing to deal with.
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Lulz, errybody wants to nerf everythang on the Thief.
Nothing is really OP about the Stealth Stomp. If you want to remove that, then you need to remove anything that gives people Invuln and Immunity when stomping too.
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I love the PD Condition build.
Lots of fun. I like feeling very active when I play.
Tanky type builds are fun.
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I would like to see it be a clutch type thing.
Have a short cast to stomp and rez.
It would make it more interesting in the game. Instead of having to keep fighting the person you just beat.
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Downed state adds depth, teamwork and role versitality to spvp that would otherwise not be there. I shudder to think how bad pvp would be without this feature. I would say its the feature I most care about in the game. If it got removed I would quit instantly.
Edit: also this guy plays a thief which explains his opinion.
Nice jab there, Mr. Warrior that makes a ton of QQ posts about Thieves in the thier own forums.
PvP wouldn’t be bad without it. It would speed it up and make people rely more on thier skill instead of blindly charging in and getting burst down and then tag everything within the downstate and get their rally from it. I feel that the downedstate in it’s current form doesn’t require much tactics at all. It is too forgiving.
I myself (I play a thief as that even matters) and I think that the downed state should still be in the game, but people shouldn’t be able to attack while in it. People in the downed state are that, downed/disabled. They shouldn’t be contributing to the fight that they already lost. They should have defensive capabilities and healing for themselves. They should only be getting up if:
A. Their opponent leaves them alone or they use their defensive abilities correctly and allows them to heal up.
or
B. One of their teammates brings them up.
Not because they happened to tag someone that happened to get stomped with a damaging attack.
People say that it makes 2v1’s impossible. I don’t agree with that, but I do agree that it does create an imbalance that shouldn’t be there. Considering that the one individual killed 2 people with his skill.
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LOL Thief is no longer OP in it’s downstate. It used to be, but not any longer.
Now our stealth is highly reduced and we can’t pan the camera around to even get more precise with our teleport. All you have to do is just keeping throwing conditions on us and we die, if you don’t have conditions. Then just attack us, it really isn’t that hard to kill us in the downed state.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
I myself don’t like the downed state in its current iteration. I see the point of it, mainly because of the fact that we don’t have dedicated healers in the game and like someone said. It helps to counter burst damage.
That being said, I am of the portion of the community that would like to have the excessive HP pool and/or the ability to attack removed. I look at it, you were beaten by your opponent. If you are able to use your 2-4 buttons while in downed state effectively to buy yourself enough time with them that you or a teammate gets you up. Then that is fine, but to actually contribute to damaging people after those people or person beat you. That just doesn’t seem balanced.
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I recognize places all the time. Makes me want to go back and play GW when I see them.
I always mention it to my guildies and then they promptly tell me to end the tour of Tyria cause we got stuff to do.
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LOL Awall so lives in his own bubble of awesomeness.
He thinks that he is the greatest at everything that he does.
In his Warrior videos, he is owning so hard that he doesn’t have to:
A. Dodge
B. Kill anything 1v1 (his teammates do it for him and claim credit)
C. Not blow all his CD’s on a player with 25% life.
D. Get rid of that ridiculous hat
E. Not use catch phrases that were popular in the 90’s (Yeeea Booooy!)
I could go on, but I will digress.
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I think that Rangers and Warriors are very strong. I have gone against some really good Rangers and Warriors in TPvP against my Thief (PD/DD Condi build) and they Survived a looooong time against me. Long enough to get back up and get me off of the point.
A lot of people just don’t want to take the time to understand their profession and how the work together and against various professions.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
How am I crying? lol. You are the one saying be thankful that you are viable in PvP, which one would assume that you are speaking that you are talking from the perspective of a profession that isn’t viable anymore.
Yes, Thief build diversity is very low. Your choice in Tourney is Burst BS roamer or Condition spec SB. That is it for premades. Sure you can join PUG as any build and I do with another friend as a PD Condi CnD Bunker Thief. Plenty of people are kittening and moaning about BS burst, so who knows how long it will take for them to nerf that AGAIN and I don’t think that the SB build will get nerfed, because it isn’t about damaging people, it is only about evasion and mobility (then again, people consistently whine about that too. So you never know with that one.).
As soon as a build starts becoming really popular and effective, it gets nerfed.
I never said that Thief in SPvP isn’t amazing. I said that they don’t have build diversity in comparison of the other professions.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
Well warrior needs condition removal. Thats obvious to anyone who plays above the VERY basic level.
It has conditional removal, through two abilities and through the use of runes, sigils and combo fields. More than enough, given that there are other abilities that allow you to block, dodge and other survivability traits and abilities.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
The swiftness buff doesn’t stack on the signet. Swiftness buffs are wasted on people with that signet.
So if you have a buff on you, the signet overrides it.
Just do the test for yourself. If you have the +25% movement signet and have something that gives you the buff, notice that you do not move any faster.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
People will ALWAYS have hate for any stealth class that can also burst. That is just the way of things in MMOs.
A lot of the whines and cries for nerfing us comes from the glass cannon Warriors and Elementalists. They got owned by a good thief, so all thieves are OP. They will never look at the encounter and analyze it and see what they could of done to survive it. Instead it is just easier for them to cry “NERF NERF NERF!!!! OMGERD OVERPOWERED!!!!”.
I myself am so tired of hearing nerf thief. Been hearing it since early beta and alpha. In early beta, thief was on par with the warrior and now we have very few builds that we can use that are successful in hot join pvp and even less for tournement play thanks to all of the crybabies.
I used to have a lot of trouble with Warriors and instead of whining to Devs to nerf them. I dueled and watched warriors and learned how to beat them. Now I am not scared of any warriors, unless I meet a skilled one. I just wish that those people that cry for nerfs to do what I did.
Be grateful that you are still viable in pvp.
Please, do tell. What class is not viable in PvP anymore?
Thief has the lowest amount of builds available to them out of all the professions.
Thief is still viable, we just don’t have much to pick from and that is my major complaint.
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1v1 I will agree with you. The warrior will lose to conditions, but the OP is talking about TPvP which should be team based.
I don’t have a problem with conditions on my Warrior in Tournaments or in Hot Join. I run around in the group, because hopefully one of them has group condi removal.
Your main is a thief. I looked at your post history. Go troll somewhere else please.
Yea, my main is a thief. So what does that have to do with anything?
I also have a Warrior that I SPvP and Tourney with and I am very successful with him.
I got a plan for ya pal. Stop being a kitten glass cannon warrior and L2P or something.
There are plenty of ways to keep yourself from succumbing to conditions, you just don’t want to up your knowledge to deal with it. Instead you come in here and whine and cry and ignore good advice.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
Also don’t forget about combo fields as well. There are a few that remove conditions.
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1v1 I will agree with you. The warrior will lose to conditions, but the OP is talking about TPvP which should be team based.
I don’t have a problem with conditions on my Warrior in Tournaments or in Hot Join. I run around in the group, because hopefully one of them has group condi removal.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
People will ALWAYS have hate for any stealth class that can also burst. That is just the way of things in MMOs.
A lot of the whines and cries for nerfing us comes from the glass cannon Warriors and Elementalists. They got owned by a good thief, so all thieves are OP. They will never look at the encounter and analyze it and see what they could of done to survive it. Instead it is just easier for them to cry “NERF NERF NERF!!!! OMGERD OVERPOWERED!!!!”.
I myself am so tired of hearing nerf thief. Been hearing it since early beta and alpha. In early beta, thief was on par with the warrior and now we have very few builds that we can use that are successful in hot join pvp and even less for tournement play thanks to all of the crybabies.
I used to have a lot of trouble with Warriors and instead of whining to Devs to nerf them. I dueled and watched warriors and learned how to beat them. Now I am not scared of any warriors, unless I meet a skilled one. I just wish that those people that cry for nerfs to do what I did.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
Warrior has condi removal with Signet of Stamina and Shrug it Off.
Ranger is a pretty solid professions, the problem I see with a lot of Rangers in SPvP is that they try to make a balanced build and forget to pick a role. Some that will have some burst or some condition or some survivability, instead of Being full burst, condition or survivability.
Another thing is that this is a team sport, so you don’t always have to rely on yourself for condition removal. I run with a friend that is a guardian and he is always cleansing and healing me.
What removing 1 condition every 20 seconds or having some remove all condition thing which then goes on cooldown and then does nothing else? That isnt good condition removal sorry.
You are aware that you are playing in a team environment? So you should have some support that helps you with removing conditions. So those two things that I mentioned are plenty to keep you from dying from conditions. Also, there are runes and sigils that help with removing conditions and also lower condition duration.
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I always ask people if they are dueling if I see a low pop server and usually I ask if I can join them if there are some builds I need to understand better.
I don’t see anything wrong with people dueling. Those people are trying to understand the meta and in my opinion. That makes the game better.
The 8v8’s are terrible for this game. The maps are designed around 5v5, not 8v8. It wasn’t until late in beta that they made it 8v8. Mainly because they thought that it would be better for noobs to get into SPvP.
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Warrior is so not the weakest profession in SPvP.
Warriors have a ton of different playstyles that they can use in SPvP. You can got 100B Glass Cannon, Hammer, Duel Axe, Rifle, Sword Sword condi and you can also go support (that is the weakest of all the builds.).
I think that the support role for warrior needs a buff, nothing else though.
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Naga is the way to go, best gaming mouse on the market. Especially for MMOs.
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I am not getting network lag, but my framerate on this map always kittens the bed.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
Warrior has condi removal with Signet of Stamina and Shrug it Off.
Ranger is a pretty solid professions, the problem I see with a lot of Rangers in SPvP is that they try to make a balanced build and forget to pick a role. Some that will have some burst or some condition or some survivability, instead of Being full burst, condition or survivability.
Another thing is that this is a team sport, so you don’t always have to rely on yourself for condition removal. I run with a friend that is a guardian and he is always cleansing and healing me.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
Wow, is amazing how open people are to discussion. Those that play thief are really hurt that people find the class completely over the top. Look in my opinion, theift is ridiculous, I have 3600 armor and still can be take from 17k hp to about 5k in two to three seconds. Best part is as soon as i put up a bit of a fight, he stealth and repeat the process or runs away. Stop acting like this class is alright, is not. At this point all we can do is wait till the 14th if some serious balance hasn’t been put in place then this game is clearly not for me. Nonetheless, I wish much success to this company and I do think the game is fun, just not pvp anymore. My two cents.
Thieves are open to discussion, but not when someone like XII is trying to run a crusade to nerf the thief simply because he won’t L2P Warrior.
On my Warrior I have ZERO issues with killing thieves. I see a DD thief stealth. I move away. I see a PD thief stealth, I get my CC ready to burst him. I see a SP thief. I pop my stability and quickness and WTFPWN him before he even gets his PW off.
All these bad Warriors and Ele’s QQ because they have ZERO situational awareness and even less knowledge about their profession. Instead of learning how to deal with certain builds, they instead come to their forums and cry for nerfs.
I think PvP is great. There really isn’t a whole lot wrong with it, except for people that can’t take losing on and off.
Because a team has a thief, doesn’t mean that they auto-win.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
Oh look, it’s XII the glass cannon warrior complaining about thieves again. How novel.
Yea, somebody needs to kick this soapbox that he gets on daily out from under him.
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XII? Have you ever considered actually learning how to fight Thieves, instead of spamming the forums with 3 copies of the same post bashing players who just want to play thier thieves and have fun?
What you mean L2P?! Why do that when you can cry about it till you nerf your opponent?
I swear all the crying comes from the same classes about thieves. It is mainly Warriors and Elementalists and occasionally Mesmers. You never really hear it from the other professions.
So tired of hearing all the crying. Been this way since beta, people don’t want to learn how to play and cry all night on the forums about thieves.
I have a Warrior and I do better stat wise than my main Thief. Warrior is soooo much easier to play in WvW and SPvP. You do a kitten ton of damage and have a lot of survivability to boot (even in a glass cannon build).
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I am getting disconnected every 2-5 mins since the latest patch. I cannot play the game without disconnecting.
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Is anyone else having this issue?
Ever since the latest patch I have been crashing to desktop about every 2-5 mins.
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Don’t think that there are any guilds based out of Jacksonville alone, but as a fellow Jacksonvillian welcome.
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Oh Sivorick, if someone did that to them. They would cry many tears about it on the /map and possibly the forums. So much so, those tears would carve a longer and deeper gash than that of The Dragonbrand (for the lore kittens).
Ruin doesn’t believe inkitten for Tat. I was quite aware of that in WAR when I played with them. Other guilds would use Ruin tactics and Archaos would be raging on Vent (literally frothing at the mouth and you could hear him dragging his hand forcefully over his neckbeard on the mic in anger), then a couple days later he would do the same thing that he claim BS and unfair and sit there proclaiming how much of a skilled tactical genius.
Nobody should take Ruin seriously and for the most part nobody does. They have hollow victories as always. What they do is like walking up to Christopher Reeves knocking out of his chair and scream “PWNED!!!!” in his face and then brag about how tough they are to the 11 o’clock news.
Pathetic
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Why is it that Ruin and Ascension Alliance think that they could possibly get IoJ and SoS’s overnights? You might actually be able to get them, if it wasn’t for your repulsive conduct.
I for one wouldn’t go to ET for multiple reasons:
1. Ruin’s obnoxious /map chat.
2. AA’s sketchiness in tranferring.
3. Queue times.
4. The server has a bad reputation because of these two communities.
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I played WoW for several years and came across “Ruin Gaming” in the second expansion on the US Kil’Jaeden Server. They have a terrible reputation for doing obnoxious things that deteriorate the gameplay for others in all aspects of things, be it in-game or other social mediums. Their players are cult-like and defend every action of their community leader (Arkhaos/Archaos whatever) with nonsense or terrible logic every time their name pops up in a negative fashion. They have been known to do the following:
- Planting ‘spies’ into other guilds that would compete with them in any way in hopes to destroy them from within.
- Breaking the game by blobbing objectives with 2 to 3 times the amount of a considerable mass of players.
- Trashing forums with trolling or otherwise destructive posting.
- Targeted reporting (or down-rating like in the reddit post mentioned above) from their players ordered from higher up in the community to deter anyone that puts the limelight on their actions.
- Doing absolutely anything they can to be “the top pvp guild in X”, whether those things are acceptable by the game developers/community of the game or not.
I’m very glad to see that their antics are being made public here already and I hope that the ArenaNet team takes note of it. I know from personal experience that they don’t plan to stop this type of thing any time soon and someone will need to step in.
heresay is not truth.
None of this is “heresay”. This is personal experience of many. Including myself.
Agree. I used to play with them a while ago and they did all these things.
What I find funny is that Archaos likes to act like people hate him because he is good, not for the obnoxious jerk he is.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”