Guild Wars 2

Loken.9724:

Escthiil.3210:

Why don’t you guys just GvG it.

We will GvG anyone if they are up for it

already got fights with [TG],[AGG] and [rB] This week. Could still get a couple more in there if anyone is interested. 20v20 Nothing more, nothing less (except for [TG] thats 10v10)

I should probably let Mayo decide whether we could/should GvG. I think most of our core is on DB by now, but I’m not sure we’re ready for it yet. For my part, I’m only on during NA prime on weekends, so unless it happens on a Saturday or Sunday he’d have to coordinate it anyway.

Loken.9724:

Arkanfel.8403:

Loken.9724:

Do you think the outcome of that portal would have been any different if I had not known? You stacked DIRECTLY in front of me. We saw you buffing, we saw the portal come down, we saw the mesmer running towards us. It really was just common sense that a portal was coming. It was actually good on you guys that you used it for more of a distraction than anything else. Burned 1/3rd of our CC on it.

That one portal? Who knows. I don’t, because I wasn’t there. But I’m going to guess you fought us more than once on reset night and yes, things probably went down differently than they would have had you not had a spy in our TS. I’m not going to bash you for it, but at the same time people should be aware of what happened; it’s not like you guys just straight-up stomped CO, you had help and you can see it in the video itself.

Anyway, it wasn’t my intention to link the spy to VK but that doesn’t change the fact that you used him. I don’t actually know what guild he’s in, so I was careful to leave your tag out of my post. I actually wasn’t going to bring it up here at all until I saw that video.

As I said man, Spies can only get you too the fight. They can’t win it for you.

Secondly, how do you know I even used him?

Now you are simply making wild accusations based on nothing more than a 1 way PM to me while I was in combat. You see me reply to him? No I didn’t think so .

I know he was there because I’ve spoken to him about it. If you hadn’t used him, you would have shot back with “I blocked him,” not “It’s just a one-way PM and I didn’t respond.” They could all have been one way PMs, it’s still using a spy to read and react to them.

Still, I can’t stress enough that I’m not buttmad over this. We did fine on reset and I’m happy on DB. Inasmuch as ANet can’t really do anything about it, TS spies are a part of the WvW meta, and the only way we can do anything about them is to be diligent about identifying and rooting them out. Unfortunately, on Friday, we weren’t.

Loken.9724:

Do you think the outcome of that portal would have been any different if I had not known? You stacked DIRECTLY in front of me. We saw you buffing, we saw the portal come down, we saw the mesmer running towards us. It really was just common sense that a portal was coming. It was actually good on you guys that you used it for more of a distraction than anything else. Burned 1/3rd of our CC on it.

That one portal? Who knows. I don’t, because I wasn’t there. But I’m going to guess you fought us more than once on reset night and yes, things probably went down differently than they would have had you not had a spy in our TS. For all I know, it happened like that because you had kittenblocked our commander 9001 times already and he thought diversionary tactics wouldn’t work. I’m not going to bash you for using a spy, but at the same time people should be aware of what happened; it’s not like you guys just straight-up stomped CO, you had help and you can see it in the video itself.

Anyway, it wasn’t my intention to link the spy to VK but that doesn’t change the fact that you used him. I don’t actually know what guild he’s in, so I was careful to leave your tag out of my post. I actually wasn’t going to bring it up here at all until I saw that video.

I’m not mad at you and I’m not mad at the spy (I think I understand his reasons) but at the same time I feel obligated to defend my guild. I don’t expect us to look particularly good in another guild’s video anyway (who would include footage of a wipe? I wouldn’t) and it’s not like we win every single fight, but I feel like posting a video of us getting stomped with help from a spy is gauche at best and disrespectful at worst.

Gellor.6497:

Lol sorry Ark didn’t want to start people trolling

Haha it’s all good. I’m sure everyone will have their own opinions anyway :P

Satori.7268:

this is the part where FA says “loool we don’t use spiesssssssssss”

To be honest, I don’t really even hold it against them. It was an oversight on our part, more than anything. He knew the public TS address and got in it. I won’t cry about it, but I will point out that it happened if someone posts a video of us getting our kitten kicked :P

I wasn’t there for any of this (I took over at like 1:30am EST) but I heard about it after the fact and spoke to the spy in PM. I actually kinda know him haha

Gellor.6497:

Arkanfel.8403:

Loken.9724:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-HEoTYzNuw

Our reset.

Thank god we chose EBG instead of our usual posting FABL. Sounds like it was nothing but rolling D/C and treb wars.

For the record, FA had a spy in DB TS for reset night. Apparently he was able to use his in-game name and no one bothered to check in in TS. I wasn’t there, I like to think I would’ve noticed! :P

Hopefully this won’t happen again lol

Then give the name

It’s in the video. Look at his PMs from 6:16-6:30+

Loken.9724:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-HEoTYzNuw

Our reset.

Thank god we chose EBG instead of our usual posting FABL. Sounds like it was nothing but rolling D/C and treb wars.

For the record, FA had a spy in DB TS for reset night. At the 6:16 mark you can see him warning of a portal bomb well before it actually happens (and no that’s not my proof, it’s just the best example of it in this footage). Since it cuts in after that message was received and the portal bomb itself doesn’t actually materialize until the 6:30 mark, this means he got the message well before CO sent its mesmer in there.

Apparently he was able to use his in-game name and no one bothered to check in in TS. I wasn’t there, I like to think I would’ve noticed! :P Hopefully this won’t happen again lol.

Wow, this thread has an awful lot of posterior aggravation.

ANet needs to add proper GvG and I believe they will. Until then, you have to be hip to arrangements like this.

Niim.9260:

I do not care you are transferring, I care that you are making it into a big deal like we should all feel bad that you are off to greener pastures, again. Save yourself some stress, as soon as you get everyone over to DB, start saving for your next move.

I think your definition of “making it into a big deal” merits reconsideration.

destoyer of lives.7963:

The fight at TCBL bluebrair tower was pretty amazing…..me and my guildies enjoyed the brawl at the tower lord pad. And to the FA major…..nice salute appreciate the sportsmanship.

Hahaha yeah someone bowed at me twice, once after we cleared their siege and once again after they ran through us at SE tower while I was commanding last night. It was a FA Major, but this was on FA BL, not TC BL.

That first fight where we took out their siege was particularly fun. I was kind of milling around in front of the SW tower for a minute or two… I didn’t have very many people on me and we were out of supply. There was only one arrow cart in the tower so we needed more siege, but I knew if I took us to go get some that FA would secure the bridgehead and cut off our access to the tower portal. So I gathered everyone up and took us like we were going to charge over the bridge, but I jumped off at the last second and hooked around to the south. We fought like hell on the island for about five minutes and eventually wiped, but we took out the siege and saved the tower. Good times.

Draygo.9473:

On that note I wonder if we can organize a monthly wvw state of the game twitch session with Devon and crew.

oh my god, please make this happen

on a saturday >.>

Atherakhia.4086:

Arkanfel.8403:

Atherakhia.4086:

PVT is not the gear you want on any class.

In case anyone was wondering what that strange sound was, it was Atherakhia’s credibility leaping out the window after it read this line.

:(

Guess I’m alone in choosing Knights, Cavalier, Valkyre, or Apothecary over PTV gear on my chars. My bad guys. Stick to PTV.

It’s not the only viable set, but to suggest that it is “not the gear you want on any class” is silly. PVT is a solid armor set, to say the least. I’ve run Knights and PVT on my guardian fairly extensively, and I can say with some authority that PVT is better probably 85% of the time.

I might check out Knights again after the patch, though. I might need that precision back after they nerf retaliation for reasons that I’m sure make sense to someone…

Atherakhia.4086:

PVT is not the gear you want on any class.

In case anyone was wondering what that strange sound was, it was Atherakhia’s credibility leaping out the window after it read this line.

Elementalist Owner.7802:

So I don’t care about WvW? Ha, more like I don’t care about winning. I play to have fun.

Please read my post more carefully. The phrase “you don’t care about WvW” does not appear in it unless you selectively remove a couple of important words. I didn’t say you don’t care about WvW, I said you probably don’t care about it as much as we do, since you’re not visibly upset about being in T7. I have no desire to play in T7 for four months; if you’re okay with it, that means you don’t place as much of a premium on your server’s performance as I do. I can’t speak for my entire guild, but many of us seem to feel the same. Your mileage seems to vary, but I play to win.

Vi Au.8341:

LOL i play on mag during oceanic against DB and nobody i know on mag who play those time zone or any other time zone would leave cuze we get everything reset every day.

Good for them, but they obviously have different gameplay priorities. For my part, I have the self-restraint to not belittle them for it.

Vi Au.8341:

and u never skip tier 3 you played mag and DB

Already covered that in another post. We did skip some spots, but we went from 11th to 7th, not 10th to 5th or 6th like I had thought. I wasn’t paying as close attention to server rank at the time. I wasn’t active in guild/server strategy until mid-late March.

dEjAhVu.4526:

I have nothing but respect for you, your guild and for RISE. I’ve had a lot of fun running with you all.

I know you will find competition somewhere else. That’s easy, every tier has competition if you’re on the right server. But I’m confused how the reason for moving can be because you want to keep the competition fresh. Isn’t an uphill battle more competitive?

Kaineng wasn’t really “competing” anymore, is my point. I didn’t have a problem losing to Blackgate because we were still growing and improving our game. Obviously no one likes to lose, but it became clear in early April that Kaineng wasn’t going to be a T2 server for very much longer. A lot of us would prefer to stay in the top two tiers, because we put a lot of time/effort into WvW and it would be nice to go to bed knowing that your territory will at least be fought for. I know everything will flip in most matches at some point, but spending entire afternoons to flip home BL only to lose everything an hour after I/we logged eventually wore thin. Being regularly outmanned on EB during the weekend was the last straw for me; once I saw that happening I was like “to hell with this.”

Kaineng has FINALLY hit a huge wall. It’s like a breathe of fresh air. The die hard WvW community of Kaineng has the opportunity to continue growing. But instead, a lot of people jumped ship.

If you don’t want to be the die hard WvW person who has to lead an entire community, then don’t be. No one is asking you to do that, and I don’t think anyone expects it. But don’t cop out and say you want to remain competitive. Admit that you just don’t want to put fourth the amount of effort you’ve had to in these last few weeks in T2. I don’t blame you, I don’t have the time to pull those kinds of shifts either.

Kaineng is still comepetitive, we will rebuild and remain competitive with or without you.

On that note, goodluck wherever you all decide to go. You will be missed.

I appreciate the well-wishing. Leaving Kaineng leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but I’ve just about lost what’s left of my sanity trying to keep us in T2 these last few weeks. Sadly, barring transfers or a huge turnout increase, I don’t think Kaineng will be higher than #3 T2 ever again even if we had stayed. CO and probably RISE feel wasted in T3, and after watching it for the better part of a week I’m itching to command in T1.

(P.S. Wanting to remain competitive as a server and not wanting to treat GW2 as a second job should not be mutually exclusive! I’ve already stated here and elsewhere that burnout was a major factor, so I’m not sure what it is I haven’t “admitted” yet. No, we don’t want to go through that again, and no I’m not shying away from saying that.)

Elementalist Owner.7802:

That doesn’t explain their leaving.

I love it… I post 260 words explaining why Kaineng NA left, and you say “that doesn’t explain it.” God I love the internet. If you really need a tl;dr for that, it’s “our NA guilds burnt out.”

Like I said, my server has lost for 16 weeks in a row and counting. We are just starting to lose outmanned buff in tier 7, but we still have it most of the time. If we could stay loyal and stay in DR despite our losing, why can’t RISE stay in KN after losing 3 times (even though the matches were very balanced…) and getting the outmanned buff once?

Going to go ahead and assume here that you’re native DR. If you are native DR and you don’t mind where your server is, you just don’t care as much about WvW as we do. That’s not a knock on you or anything—I’m just saying we would prefer to be competitive. Once that stopped being the case in Kaineng, players and guilds started to lose interest and flag on the battlefield and there was a snowball effect after our first loss. I tried my best to hold things together through the week NA during most of April, but it just wasn’t enough.

It’s not enough to say “well, we’re outmanned too!” You’re in Tier 7. I imagine there are still zergs there, but none of you have anywhere near the coverage that TC or FA does.

EDIT: Also, I resent the characterization that RISE/CO/RE left Kaineng “as soon as they started losing.” I was out there commanding every freaking day while we were ticking lowest PPT probably 85% of the time for a month, so I don’t want to hear it.

Yeah thanks for the link but I actually checked it already. I thought we were 10th not 11th when we jumped 4 spots. I never bothered to check the history, I’ve just heard it said like 9001 times that we skipped T3. I remember a big jump, but I just took their word for it. I wasn’t paying close attention to tiers and server position at the time. A lot of this was going on during my busy season at work, so I wasn’t on quite as much.

You can’t really understand why we/they are leaving unless you actually played in Kaineng during NA times for the last 4-6ish weeks. I doubt very many of us fought harder for Kaineng than I did; in the last 3 weeks I probably put ~100 hours into WvW, commanding for probably close to half of it. I left everything I had on the battlefield for Kaineng, and we were losing pretty much every step of the way for the last month. As a result, I’m liable to grind my teeth when people slobber on about “bandwagoning.”

Really, what happened to Kaineng was a failure of server leadership, CO included. Little or no effort was given towards recruiting guilds from lower tiers, and the server’s habit of spawncamping for hours on the way up did not earn Kaineng any friends. Guilds and guild leaders didn’t seem very interested in actually filling the server out, but rather blowing through the tiers as quickly as possible. Kaineng skipped T3 altogether, and entered T2 in the #2 spot if I recall correctly. All things considered, she actually did pretty well, but eventually our NA guilds burnt out. RISE, CO and RE probably represented around 66-75% of Kaineng’s NA regulars, and we started losing PuGs in fair numbers starting the weekend of March 30th. Honestly I think our NA guilds stuck it out about as long as you could reasonably ask. For my part, I started batting about the T-word once I noticed that being outmanned during weekends and NA prime was becoming increasingly common.

Maladon.5760:

Xirin.8593:

SpitFire.4690:

3,467 WvW hours

How is this even humanly possible? It has only been about 5,800 total hours since Aug 25, 2012 (launch day). 3,500 hours is approximately 60% of every day or 14.5 hours on average, every day, since launch day.

Yeah I noticed that too. Also, if by some ridiculous circumstance this is true, shouldn’t he have A LOT more kills?

Invented stats are invented.

Treylor.2849:

Typical bandwagon server exploding when things get bad.

Get bent. I’m pretty sure FA would start to lose population if it were suddenly to find itself outmanned on all maps except EB 75% of the time. I’m getting really tired of this “bandwagon” crap. Not all of us were lucky enough to roll on a server that had a stable WvW population. I’ve been from Crystal Desert to HoD to Elona Reach [DE] to SBI to Kaineng and now to god knows where. I wanted off CD because it didn’t have much WvW interest at launch, and I had nothing to do with TA taking their ball home and HoD dying. My German sucks so I left ER eventually, and SBI tanked for reasons beyond my control. So get over yourself.

Besides, you won. Enjoy it. Freakin trolls man jeez…

Anyway, more to the point plenty of CO are still on Kaineng as we haven’t made a decision yet. We probably won’t start leaving Kaineng in numbers until Wed or Thurs. RISE and WM are confirmed on Blackgate (I’ve seen them there) but I would doubt that every single one of their regulars have transferred so far.

The Blind Man.3642:

Waffler.1257:

Yeah, saw a post awhile ago with some guy saying he had all 5 of his chars with full ascended accessories and had 70+ ascended rings in the bank from running fractals. I was only able to get my second piece of ascended gear a little bit ago and since I don’t do dailys religiously it will probably take about half a year to get one char in full ascended accessories… and I don’t even want to think about when they release the rest of the ascended equipment.

That kinda makes me think – either add ascended to WvW or make them cost more laurels. I understand that Anet wants FotM to be the best way to get ascended gear, but the rate at which you get them through FotM vs. Daily grinding has so much disparity it isn’t even funny.

Completely agreed. You know what else is stupid? Crafting infusions in the Mystic Forge. I cannot wrap my head around why it costs 100 T6 mats for a +5 stat boost.

It just seems like ascended stuff in general is just way too grindy; even if you’re doing Fractals, you’ll probably get something useless most of the time since there are like 9001 pieces of ascended gear and most of them won’t fit your build(s). For those of us looking to add specific gear to our toons for WvW, laurels is the only realistic option.

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

It’s unfortunate CO feels that strongly about naysayers to the point of spending all that gold to get away from them. I hope they realize that will happen wherever they end up. Tons of people followed their lead, myself included, and I don’t typically follow commanders in a zerging setting ever- CO and and one other guild have been the exception. And I am in a small guild. :/ I’m just so disappointed this week in everything! Stop disappointing me plz.

I’m one of the GMs of CO, and honestly the trolling doesn’t really bother me that much. I’ve played WvW for months and I’ve seen a ton of it in game and match threads alike. There was indeed some trash talking in LA, but I probably wouldn’t have even mentioned it had I been the only person in the guild to read it.

I can’t speak for everyone, but for my part I want out because there is no cohesion or strategic execution. I often have to command when I don’t want to, for longer hours than I would otherwise like because no one else will tag up or because our only other NA guild on in force is busy fighting on another map. It’s also discouraging to know that literally everything we capture as a guild will be gone within 30 minutes of us logging out. The coverage just isn’t good enough to hold territory anymore; weeks of losing our entire home BL every day is starting to take its toll. We can only mount sporadic offensives on FA or (rarely) TC BL anymore. EB is still fun, I guess, but we want more options and a less stressful role in server strategy.

Tallis.5607:

Unless I am very much mistaken, it’s not the act of killing that gives WXP, it’s the fact that you hit them earlier. If you don’t hit someone at all but only kill them when they are downed by other players, you don’t get WXP.

I see what you’re saying, I just came at it differently I guess. Obviously just tagging someone won’t get you WXP if they are rezzed. Unlike most other things on the list, actually killing a downed player does give you WXP, so that’s why it kind of stuck out to me. I think most people do actually focus on downed enemies to ensure that they get WXP.

Pretty good but it started to lose some steam towards the end. Killing downed people does give WXP, so I don’t understand why you included that. Buffing allies makes you more likely to kill and avoid being killed, so it helps you get WXP too. I’ve also gotten rewards for upgrading towers before—I don’t know why you don’t get them ALL the time, but I’ve seen it happen.

Nitpickery aside, WXP rewards do need to be reassessed. There is far too much emphasis on kills and not nearly enough on anything else. Killing three people can get you more WXP than taking a tower (assuming they’re all above +50) which is insane. That said, they have to be careful not to give out WXP for basically standing still: scouting towers may be necessary, but if they make it so you can get WXP while afk, I think we’d quickly find that adding rewards for scouting towers would not have the desired effect.

For my part, I think what they ought to do is scale back the WXP gain from kills just a bit, and increase the rewards for capture and defense events. Re-introduce rewards for escorting yaks, but make the reward system for it more selective (e.g. you can’t just afk at a tower portal and pick up points as the yaks walk in). It might also be a good idea to award WXP for revives, and possibly even at increments when players heal for X amount within Y window.

Lets play some god kitten Guild Wars

edit: really? This filter is ridiculous.

I’m pretty sure the new reset time is going to make our lives harder. KN always lags behind in PPT from about 2-3pm EST until maybe 10ish, and even then it’s dicey because both other servers have a larger NA population than we do. We were hoping to rally a bit this week, but it’s going to be hard to do that when players log on for NA prime and we’re already down by a few thousand.

Danielle.3152:

If there is a guild or a smallscale team that wants to run by themselves and politely ask you not to follow them, then by following them you are simply griefing. Sure, it can happen coincidentially that you meet at some supply camp or points but that’s not what I am seeing. It’s not like you can’t do other things in the zone except grief your fellow players.

If there is a guild or smallscale team that wants to run by themselves, there’s always tourneys.

If you are going to play in WvW, expect to have people follow you sometimes. By choosing to play in that game mode, they should acknowledge that other players can and will do whatever the hell they want.

Cradorell.3941:

well u could learn to not loot the chest with supply in it? :P

Or Anet could, you know, fix the problem. I doubt that this is “working as intended,” and if it is, it’s bad design.

fancy dagger feast.7520:

I think we should have huge rumble on KNBL tomorrow all you big guilds, you know who you are : P

And this would vary from the previous thirteen days… how exactly?

Quenta.2978:

TA broke up because it got bored and we got sick of the 5+ hour queues..

Newsflash: Every other guild/alliance in the game had to deal with queues.

The idea that JQ and ET were anywhere close to creeping up on TA is just silly. Some guilds remained on HoD, most switched. You might be talking about the time when TA went their separate ways and PRX and some Condemned stayed on HoD, then JQ started to creep up.

The second-to-last time HoD, ET and JQ faced each other, HoD was double-teamed all night and pushed almost completely off EB. I don’t think we gave up the keep, but it was clear by that point that both servers were starting to focus on us, and when they did there was nothing we could do about it. We still won the match and ET was pushed out of the tier for the next round, but I think when that happened, TA leadership started to decide that “the queue” was a problem and they were “losing interest.”

Comparing current WvW tactics and style of play that has evolved over the course of 8 months to a group of gamers (TA) who played at the beginning of the game is quite silly.

Pretty sure I covered that. They left the game before any sort of serious metastrategy had to be considered, so the idea that they should be remembered as masters of WvW is silly. The poster I was responding too suggested that people would be getting bored in the case of inevitable outcome, a silly context in which to cite TA since they broke up while WvW was still in its infancy.

The tactics that TA employed both as an alliance and as individual guilds are probably viewed as silly now, but back then, it steamrolled everyone and probably set the pedagogy of how we play today (for good and bad).

The guilds that made up TA were some of the best in the MMO PvP realm (mostly because they said they were). And they were at least able to walk their talk and dominate during the first part of the game. I think TA was ultimately a victim of it’s success and coverage: to much of it.

Source: Me. I was in the Titan Alliance (ULTD) at the forming of it and at the end of it.

The logic just doesn’t follow. They make an enormous alliance, and then quit “because of the queue?” I’m calling BS on that. Like half the players on any given map were TA. I know, I was there. I won’t deny that they performed well, but they were quick to pack it in once things started to get a little challenging. After what had happened the last time we had played ET and JQ, it didn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that no one in TA wanted to go through that again. So literally the instant it was apparent that ET was going to be in the next matchup, TA picked up their ball and went home, crowing about being “undefeated.”

They were cowards, and should be remembered as cowards.

Maniac.5163:

If you know you’re gonna win, same deal (Titan Alliance?).. It’s not about really about maintaining morale – it’s about how mundane and predictable things can become in this kind of situation.

I don’t take issue with your post, but I did find this passage humorous because TA “disbanded” precisely because they knew they weren’t going to beat ET and JQ again. They had all played together before, but TA didn’t bail until ET and JQ started teaming up on them in earnest.

TA was 90% ego, 10% numbers and 0% player skill. They engaged “left to right” for Christ’s sake. They took advantage of a new release and pleasured themselves for a few weeks and got out before an actual strategic metagame materialized. As we quickly saw, TA did not have what it takes to be a permanent power in WvW. Their memory should not be exalted—they were overrated garbo.

Source: I was on HoD at the height of TA.

Haldunius.7864:

To clarify, I meant juicy drama about other servers (guessing it was a T1) not your guilds. I like the guilds on KN.

Well, you asked which server and as far as I know, the answer (to quote John Connor, when asked how many cops were outside the Cyberdyne building) is “all of them, I think.”

Haldunius.7864:

CHIPS.6018:

Thesilentflute.8761:

War Machine blackgate wants you! Come play with us in T1 we have a grand community that rewards the efforts of all of our battle worn solders. If is great fights you seek look no further there are fights to be had against the mightiest of enemy in foo and many others. We have high skill base but low numbers with your guilds help there is nothing that could stop us our glory Awaits.

The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding, go out to meet it.-Thucydides

Well you guys better be prepared to pay, a lot. A server (I won’t name which) is promising premium dollars for WM, RISE, CO (and maybe others) to head over. I am talking about crazy out of this world money here. But they said no since they didn’t want to leave their Kaineng brothers.

Thanks for staying all! ^^

Oh come on now. Such juicy drama and you won’t share?! We can play hangman or something to guess the server.

I don’t know about the other guilds, but CO has been contacted by people from several servers. I don’t know precisely which offer Chips is referring to, but if anyone is planning on moving that’d be news to me.

CHIPS.6018:

Sunspots.9861:

Lot of loll’s tonight in KNBL. Super Zergs on all sides smashing into each other for the last 2 hours ;P

Here is how it looked from our side.

Hey I’m in both of those!

Also, lol at /say in the second shot

IRSyKo.5843:

Not sure why TC would want DB in the match.

KN=no NA
DB= No NA

No NA= Nothing to do.

When we were back in T3 ticking away at +500ish PPT everybody would get bored and log off. if you guys “focused FA” out of the tier like I hear about, you would be pretty bored. DB in the match would be an absolute blowout every week for TC. (Even more so than it’s about to become)

Food for thought

I haven’t seen anyone talk about that, but I can sort of see it from the “We want in T1” angle. If TC were to focus one of her opponents out of T2, it would be easier to gain rating off of DB and make it to T1. The problem with this, of course, would be keeping DB in T2, I’m not sure how likely that is.

The Kaineng-Targaryen comparison doesn’t make much sense to me. In the books/show, most people in Westeros think they’re all dead. The fact that they might even still exist at all probably hasn’t even occurred to most citizens. Plus I think it makes more sense to compare three factions that are actually fighting in Westeros at the present time. I think a more accurate description would be:

TC are the Lannisters, seemingly unlimited numbers on the battlefield, lots of gold, etc. You can kill them by the boatload but they still keep coming. Probably cannot be defeated by their present foes under current circumstances.

FA are the Ironborn, opportunistic and bold but not as politically or strategically adept as the Lannisters. Better in battle than in the war room.

KN is like Stannis at Blackwater: lots of experience and confidence, but ultimately outdone by Lannister wealth and strategic maneuvering. Is winning until he gets utterly assjammed at the last minute without warning. Becomes increasingly bitter and paranoid.

I know for my part, I’ve got the whole grind-my-teeth-and-stare-at-the-waves thing down pat by now.

Hickeroar.9734:

ShaunZ.1098:

A competitive matchup was too fun, you just had to go ruin WvW for everyone ……

Who ruined what for who?

Going to go ahead and assume here that he’s referring to TC doing something other than attacking KN relentlessly. And something something transfers.

ThaOwner.7560:

Arkanfel.8403:

Unfortunately.5940:

I don’t think it’s a secret that a large portion of your server’s wvw population would rather have KN in this tier than us. It’s also evidenced by you guys pushing us on both EB and our BL while leaving all of KN’s holdings alone. Except of course when they do something you can’t ignore like trying to take the big shiney castle from you guys.

Pretty sure we were fully pushed off of EB last night by TC.

>leaving all of KN’s holdings alone

yeah even our commander Nightlight felt bad about that, you see we had all these golems and the servers were going to shutdown so we would lose the golems anyway, we tried to hit VK but there was just too many fa in there, so we kinda just took all of your guys stuff

To be fair, we bloodied you guys until RE left. We had two huge 3-way fights in SMC in as many hours (or close) and Kaineng won both of them! So ha!

But I don’t really know what happened immediately after RE left; we may not have had quite enough people to keep it together. I took a short break and by the time I came back, we were down to our keep and a tower or two. We weren’t outmanned, but we were all spread out everywhere; it was a mess. I spent most of the rest of the night in KBL.

Unfortunately.5940:

I don’t think it’s a secret that a large portion of your server’s wvw population would rather have KN in this tier than us. It’s also evidenced by you guys pushing us on both EB and our BL while leaving all of KN’s holdings alone. Except of course when they do something you can’t ignore like trying to take the big shiney castle from you guys.

Pretty sure we were fully pushed off of EB last night by TC.

>leaving all of KN’s holdings alone

Aytrix.4059:

All WxP means is that you play a lot and you run around in a big group most the time. It’s unfortunate, could have been an awesome system if it was done differently.

Yeah, I think they should consider tweaking the rewards. I find it odd that I can get more WXP from killing like 4 people (sometimes) than I can from taking a tower or from a defense event.

Furiousbeard.7602:

Arkanfel.8403:

Insignia.6345:

Arkanfel.8403:

What’s the highest rank you guys have seen, out of curiosity? I’ve seen one or two footmen and I’m seeing more soldiers and squires, but I don’t think I’ve seen a knight yet.

Ive seen a KN colonel, who knows what rank that is.

80-90

I just made Major today, so I’ll probably be a Colonel too before the week is out

Awwww i wish i was unemployed to. no fair!

I was on vacation when they introduced WvW rank, and I played pretty much nonstop until I went back to work on April 1st. I think I was 45 or 50 within a week, and then slowed down a little. I’ve worked in a UPS hub for 7 years :P

Insignia.6345:

Arkanfel.8403:

What’s the highest rank you guys have seen, out of curiosity? I’ve seen one or two footmen and I’m seeing more soldiers and squires, but I don’t think I’ve seen a knight yet.

Ive seen a KN colonel, who knows what rank that is.

80-90

I just made Major today, so I’ll probably be a Colonel too before the week is out

What’s the highest rank you guys have seen, out of curiosity? I’ve seen one or two footmen and I’m seeing more soldiers and squires, but I don’t think I’ve seen a knight yet.

Dontcare Aboutnames.9284:

Can an FA EB commander message me please

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN

azizul.8469:

Arkanfel.8403:

>comparing TC to JQ

it’s a relativity concept in terms of coverage. some people have problem understanding…..

of course TC=/= JQ ….

I grasp that, Jules.

>comparing TC to JQ

ghtchill.7613:

Arkanfel.8403:

Atrophied.8725:

ghtchill.7613:

I have to say, there was much more fun and challenge when BG was here and we were number 2 for 3 weeks. At least there was a point then, and it was more fun that way. Not much point in playing for first in T2 all the time.

Honestly I am amazed JQ keeps it going as number 1 in T1 for all this time.

Is it more fun and a challenge now that you’re 2nd for a week and 3rd for 2 weeks? Or are you looking to drop into T3, win every week, get bored, and then stop playing entirely?

I don’t think we’re going to be 3rd for two weeks. We’ll probably be T3 after this week, if things keep going the way they are. Unless DB chokes hard and we rally (HA!), this might be the last match you play against us. According to millenium, the potential rating difference between DB and Kaineng is all of 13 points. I know that might change by Friday, but a Kaineng rally at this point seems about as likely as an honest politician.

I know it’s tempting to look at the spread and say “well this tier is still really competitive!” but the thing you have to remember is that Kaineng is not used to struggling like this, and the score is a little deceiving right now because it won’t be anywhere near this close in 12 hours, much less 6 days. When we were losing to BG, at least we were still improving our game and had good participation, but neither of those things are true anymore.

FA and TC are used to duking it out in this ranking slot, whereas KN is used to consistently improving. So once that stopped happening, I think players lost interest while TC and FA both maintained a more consistent participation rate.

Exactly what I was trying to say, thanks for articulating the point better than I did. We realized after we were in T2 for a while that we didn’t have the horsepower to make T1, and not enough of our players wanted to try for T1 anyway. So the feeling of challenge eventually faded. Our core players have been the same since we blew through the other tiers and came to T2. I think MEOW were the last sizable guild we had come over, and that was how many months ago?

But we all know if DB continue to roll T3 this week, we’ll just drop and probably roll T3 in their place, then DB will drop down again…and so on. I feel the Tier 2 dynamic has changed. I see weeks of KN, and possibly FA at times, trading places with DB, unless the other T3 servers can step it up…or DB come to T2 and stick.

Maybe I have it all wrong, but why not just enjoy the good fights when we can and see how it all plays out eventually.

I still think that we would be able to compete if we had the same turnout we had, say, 3-4 weeks ago. Yeah TC and FA have improved their population/turnout but I really feel like we’re still as good as them pound for pound. It’s just hard to stay afloat when you only have like a hundred people spread over 4 maps (with over half of them in EB) and can’t hold your own garrison for more than 30 minutes at a time.

And here’s another problem: TC can hold Hills on KBL while outmanned. FA can hold their keep in EB while outmanned. As long as either of you guys have ~20 people on the map, you generally won’t lose everything you have. Us? Not so much. If we’re outmanned, we’re usually pushed completely off the map within 30 or so minutes. I managed to hold our corner for a couple hours on TC BL while outmanned last week, but it was only because TC was so busy with FA. Once that was over, we lost everything in short order. FA left the map, then TC wiped us and flipped the rest of the map within the hour.

I have never seen us do this.

Atrophied.8725:

ghtchill.7613:

I have to say, there was much more fun and challenge when BG was here and we were number 2 for 3 weeks. At least there was a point then, and it was more fun that way. Not much point in playing for first in T2 all the time.

Honestly I am amazed JQ keeps it going as number 1 in T1 for all this time.

Is it more fun and a challenge now that you’re 2nd for a week and 3rd for 2 weeks? Or are you looking to drop into T3, win every week, get bored, and then stop playing entirely?

I don’t think we’re going to be 3rd for two weeks. We’ll probably be T3 after this week, if things keep going the way they are. Unless DB chokes hard and we rally (HA!), this might be the last match you play against us. According to millenium, the potential rating difference between DB and Kaineng is all of 13 points. I know that might change by Friday, but a Kaineng rally at this point seems about as likely as an honest politician.

I know it’s tempting to look at the spread and say “well this tier is still really competitive!” but the thing you have to remember is that Kaineng is not used to struggling like this, and the score is a little deceiving right now because it won’t be anywhere near this close in 12 hours, much less 6 days. When we were losing to BG, at least we were still improving our game and had good participation, but neither of those things are true anymore.

FA and TC are used to duking it out in this ranking slot, whereas KN is used to consistently improving. So once that stopped happening, I think players lost interest while TC and FA both maintained a more consistent participation rate.

Atrophied.8725:

Arkanfel.8403:

The problem isn’t so much response time as it is participation in general. I don’t think a lot of players have actually left the server, but we’re clearly not WvWing as much anymore. It used to be that you could go to other maps and ask for help, but now everything except KBL and EB are outmanned 90% of the time, and getting players to leave EB is like pulling teeth (especially since it’s about the only map where we tend to do well).

This is sad to hear. C’mon Kaineng. We <3 you. Come back and play WvW!
I want a solid Tier 2 with good fights every week, like it was a month ago. A server dropping just ‘cause they had a single bad week and the fairweathers decide that it’s not worth playing any more is not cool. Fight back! Show us your server pride.

To be fair, we’ve been sucking a lot longer than a week. NA has been anemic for closer to a month now, and even at our height we relied heavily on Oceanic coverage. We’ve never had any EU to speak of, as near as I can tell.

Whatever the reason is (burnout, frustration, stiffer competition), Kaineng is now put in a position where her NA crew HAS to stay close throughout the day and evening in order for the score to be competitive. We’re not. 150+ PPT deficits are hilariously common during NA hours.

Even so, I still think our NA is excellent pound for pound, but we just don’t have enough people to populate the maps anymore. By my estimation, we’d need to about double our NA WvW population in order to be competitive again. Back when I had good numbers, I could have enemy zergs running from us on sight after 2-3 hours. Now the cat barks at the dog, and I’m the one running about 75% of the time.

Atrophied.8725:

Furiousbeard.7602:

I already predicted last week that Kain and FA would fight for second, but TC seems to be doing us a favour by always turning KN BL green.

Well, to be fair, it’s a heck of a lot easier to turn their BL green than yours. Your response times are much better…..

The problem isn’t so much response time as it is participation in general. I don’t think a lot of players have actually left the server, but we’re clearly not WvWing as much anymore. It used to be that you could go to other maps and ask for help, but now everything except KBL and EB are outmanned 90% of the time, and getting players to leave EB is like pulling teeth (especially since it’s about the only map where we tend to do well).