Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.
So you’re okay with the WvW game being about gear and stat advantages, rather than skill or fun? Good to know that I will be at a continual disadvantage in WvW because I refuse to grind for gear. I specifically came to this game to avoid gear grinds.
>complains about people having better gear
>refuses to get better gear
You best be trollan son.
What if I told you, a competitive spirit does not find satisfaction in winning from an unfair advantage?
By this logic, one would never play WvW in the first place, because of uplevels.
At the macro level, the disadvantage is mutual. Your opponent will have uplevelled characters in their zerg, or people with bad builds or stats, but so will yours.
Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.
So you’re okay with the WvW game being about gear and stat advantages, rather than skill or fun? Good to know that I will be at a continual disadvantage in WvW because I refuse to grind for gear. I specifically came to this game to avoid gear grinds.
>complains about people having better gear
>refuses to get better gear
Okay, fine… small MMOs that no one has heard of might merge servers. Larger studios will not.
Either way, it doesn’t matter. Companies will merge servers when they see an absolute need for it. It doesn’t have anything to do with public interpretation that the game is or might be bombing. Several “large companies” have done it to increase public relations with the game because it was the right thing to do.
The problem with GW2 doing it is that they would need to increase the number of allowed players on a server, which could cause further stress on the physical server.
Covered that breh. The first words of my last post were “I guess I spoke too broadly,” but you adroitly omitted that part. You should consider a career in politics.
No mate I think you should be the one going in to politics if you think that ‘spoke too broadly’ covers the fact that you made a categorically incorrect statement in an emphatic manner.
Saying “I spoke too braodly” is admitting a mistake in what I said numbnuts.
Hope you guys got your little rocks off though. Jesus.
Okay, fine… small MMOs that no one has heard of might merge servers. Larger studios will not.
Either way, it doesn’t matter. Companies will merge servers when they see an absolute need for it. It doesn’t have anything to do with public interpretation that the game is or might be bombing. Several “large companies” have done it to increase public relations with the game because it was the right thing to do.
The problem with GW2 doing it is that they would need to increase the number of allowed players on a server, which could cause further stress on the physical server.
Covered that breh. The first words of my last post were “I guess I spoke too broadly,” but you adroitly omitted that part. You should consider a career in politics.
I guess I spoke too broadly. It wasn’t my intent to suggest that NO SERVER MERGER HAS EVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF MMOS! and I guess I should have said so. What I was trying to get at was that server mergers are not palatable to the owners/developers of @@game@@.
SWTOR merged servers because the game bombed. That’s kind of my point. Major studios will be averse to merging servers because it can be taken as an indication that the game is not doing well.
If you really want to change the dynamics of WvW, dissolve the EU servers and shuffle them into NA, as WvW is a 24-hour game anyways. Don’t just put little league teams in the professionals.
I agree with this, but it will never happen in a million years. Consolidating servers is something that Just Isn’t Done in MMOs, because it makes it look like the game is not performing well.
Still, it’d be nice to see a studio say “you know what, we care more about the community than a false projection of prosperity” just once. At least for WvW purposes, there should be way fewer servers, possibly only half or a third as many as there are now.
I’m not sure I would change the ranking system, but I’d change the scoring. I understand that night capping is part of the game, but at the same time I don’t really think it should be worth +145 PPT to hold an empty borderland. I would look into scaling down the point gain earned by holding objectives to the population of the map. IMO this would make primetime competition more meaningful. DB is running away with their current matchup because SBI and Maguuma just don’t have the coverage to compete, but when we’re all three on the field in force (as we saw last night) anything can happen. So I would look for ways for the score to increase faster based on enemy population. I’d also consider making player kills worth much more on the scoreboard.
One problem with this though is it would give away keep/garrison spikes. Once you saw your PPT jump you’d know right away that someone is rallying there.
All I know is that there are no excuses left. DB is “full” now a lot of the time so there’s no reason why we should let our garrison get waypointed every Wednesday. I don’t want to hear how we’re losing because of Southsun events or burnout next week—those things should affect other servers every bit as much as they affect us. The bottom line is we need more people who want to win and show it.
I find that many people don’t quite understand the intricate social dynamics involved with strengthening a community…..the talent is here…so are the numbers….it’s the integration that has been problematic….If you can’t inspire people to support your efforts while online, and especially offline, then you just throw hurdle after hurdle in front of yourself…..Unfortunately, few people are comfortable manning up to this facet of responsibility, let alone adept enuff to operate success….WvW isn’t about skill on the battlefield, that kitten is easy, it’s about social science, and knowing how to manipulate it
peace
I may have fooled a few of you, but I’m actually not a complete moron.
Then stop complaining and fix the problem smart guy
All I know is that there are no excuses left. DB is “full” now a lot of the time so there’s no reason why we should let our garrison get waypointed every Wednesday. I don’t want to hear how we’re losing because of Southsun events or burnout next week—those things should affect other servers every bit as much as they affect us. The bottom line is we need more people who want to win and show it.
I find that many people don’t quite understand the intricate social dynamics involved with strengthening a community…..the talent is here…so are the numbers….it’s the integration that has been problematic….If you can’t inspire people to support your efforts while online, and especially offline, then you just throw hurdle after hurdle in front of yourself…..Unfortunately, few people are comfortable manning up to this facet of responsibility, let alone adept enuff to operate success….WvW isn’t about skill on the battlefield, that kitten is easy, it’s about social science, and knowing how to manipulate it
peace
I may have fooled a few of you, but I’m actually not a complete moron.
If DB can muster the same participation in the first 2 weeks of this matchup, if i were a betting man – my money would be on you.
TC has adapted to us, we have not adapted to them. That said, I am pretty sure I still haven’t seen DB’s NA guilds flex at the same time for more than a couple hours here and there once or twice a week. I work through most of primetime though so maybe they’re out there in full force every day and I’m only seeing the remnants when I log in around 11pm EST.
All I know is that there are no excuses left. DB is “full” now a lot of the time so there’s no reason why we should let our garrison get waypointed every Wednesday. I don’t want to hear how we’re losing because of Southsun events or burnout next week—those things should affect other servers every bit as much as they affect us. The bottom line is we need more people who want to win and show it.
Its an actual in game title huh haha. Haven’t played in a couple months, fair enough then! Thought that looked too easy…
Haha well to be honest I didn’t start doing it until I hit the cool ones :P … I think I started with soldier or scout or something like that. I’m pretty sure I had it by Knight. The idea was to put all of my identifying information in my sig, so people could tebag me and stuff. Because I’m bad and it gives me a chubby.
Dear Dragonbrand,
I regretfully inform you that you have incurred a massive infestation of Tarnished Coast. The buggers seem to have wormed their way inside all of your keeps and made it their homes. The best action is to be patient, wait it out, and after enough bag’s and time I’m sure they’ll migrate away.
Sincerely,
The Guild Wars Exterminator
Sounds like someone’s a little full of themselves.
Dragonbrand Legend, yeah sure does.
I didn’t make the titles bro. I’ve been updating it as I rank up.
Dear Dragonbrand,
I regretfully inform you that you have incurred a massive infestation of Tarnished Coast. The buggers seem to have wormed their way inside all of your keeps and made it their homes. The best action is to be patient, wait it out, and after enough bag’s and time I’m sure they’ll migrate away.
Sincerely,
The Guild Wars Exterminator
Sounds like someone’s a little full of themselves.
For my part, I haven’t been to Southsun once. I’m in WvW like 80% of the time I’m logged in, but I’m starting to ask myself why.
I’m a little concerned about your frustration with DB. In my world view gaming is optional even if I’m part of a “raiding” guild. Holding guilds and individuals to schedules and participation, though perhaps a key to ultimate success, is going to lead to drama. Let’s keep DB drama free!
I’m not holding anyone to a schedule, I just have a hard time believing that the Southsun events are affecting DB and only DB.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Southsun.
An hour after reset there was a queue to get into Southsun and no queues to get into any WvW map. There is a 50/50 chance that you will end up in Southsun overflow any time you head there, regardless of the time of day, and in my experience you will be in overflow for anything from 20 minutes to three hours.
What is in Southsun? A full-sized zerg farming Instigators. I have yet to go into Southsun without seeing people I often see in WvW participating in the farming. If they are in Southsun they are not in WvW, simple as that.
You can go on about “burnout” and “fairweathers” all you like but the timing is suspicious, don’t you think? One week DB has queues on 3/4 WvW maps and is winning the match and the next week new content is released which includes a huge MF buff and a very lucrative farm and there’s suddenly no WvW queues and DB is losing.
This is not an excuse for allowing garrison to be waypointed in two consecutive matches. Other servers have Southsun events too.
Bottom line: DB needs to get her @@expletive@@ together, pronto.
When CO decided to move off of Kaineng, we wanted to go somewhere where we didn’t have to be the server’s main NA anchor. I wouldn’t be surprised if RE is in the same boat at this point—considering how long they stayed on Kaineng it is probably worse for them than it was for us.
Oh my quaggans, stop being so dramatic.
RISE, CO, and RE made up most of Kaineng’s organized NA coverage. When pug turnout started to drop it only became more stressful for all of us. I don’t see how it’s unfair or ‘dramatic’ to say that we didn’t want that dynamic anymore. Whether it was because we didn’t have the numbers/organization or because we underestimated the opposition doesn’t really matter at the end of the day. It happened, we lost out, so we all decided to become baby eating satan worshippers and sold crack to schoolkids to pay for our transfers.
Well, as a couple people have mentioned the tier system will soon be a thing of the past so it might be wise (assuming you can keep activity up in the meantime) to wait and see how the new matchups shake out.
But I think a lot of people are looking at this the wrong way. Almost everyone is thinking about this in terms of “what server would benefit the most from having RE” and not in terms of “what is actually best for RE.” When CO decided to move off of Kaineng, we wanted to go somewhere where we didn’t have to be the server’s main NA anchor. I wouldn’t be surprised if RE is in the same boat at this point—considering how long they stayed on Kaineng it is probably worse for them than it was for us.
To be honest, BG was a tempting option to me when CO was moving, but we couldn’t go because of the drama with RISE and WM. The guild wanted SoR at first (I even transferred there to scout) but eventually we decided they were well off enough without us, and for my part I figured it wasn’t very likely that we’d get decent-sized guild groups at reset.
T2 is very stable between TC/FA/DB. Dragonbrand could use Rethesis’s assistance to match TC’s NA power.
On average early NA we tick around 160-200 and by 9pm EST we are ticking 210-260. I’d like to see our min raised to 200 and max around 300 on average!
Considering DB quite often ticks 400 during oceanic/SEA time, I fail to see how DB ticking 300 during NA would make T2 a more “stable” matchup. Especially considering that T2 matchups are currently often decided by 10k points.
The sense of entitlement that bandwagon servers have…
DB doesn’t actually tick 400+ during oceanic/SEA time very often. Look at the income history for this match— I think we hit it once this week. When it does happen, it happens maybe 2-3 times per match, and seldom lasts for more than 90-120 minutes—not really long enough to change the score by very much. If a SEA push does change the score (as we saw last week), DB gets focused to make sure her NA can’t follow up the push.
So yeah, DB really could use some NA help. DB’s coverage formula is such that both servers (and this probably won’t change with the new matchups, to be honest) know that they have to keep DB around or under 200 PPT during NA prime and daytime, or else SEA might be able to edge them out. If we were actually competitive during NA prime we might even be able to win this matchup. I know the tiers will be gone soon, but I’d be shocked if we don’t play TC and FA again within a few weeks.
@thustlehumper, U actually believe what that VK dude says? the entire FA server hated him and he qqed/raged whenever he wiped. Ofc he will say whatever to justify why he was wiping lol. but hey if u guys want to keep on saying its 2v1 go for it. ppl use excuses for everything nowadays i guess.
Why are you raging about an ex-FA’er saying that the appearance of 2v1 is purely coincidence?
I was wondering that too lol… Just a clumsy troll attempt I guess.
I like the idea in some ways but I think it’s a little off the mark. The people who care about PPT will be in there trying to take it anyway; I don’t think they’re the ones that are going to need encouragement. It sounds like a simple fix, but I would just make keeps way more lucrative to capture from a loot/wxp standpoint, and scale the rewards based on how upgraded the structure was. Taking a fully fortified Hills or Garrison should snag you more loot/wxp than taking out a wooden Bay, and the current rewards are underwhelming if it takes an hour or three which it sometimes does. I think the key here is attracting more pug participation and as far as many of them are concerned, loot is king.
So yeah, I know it must not be organized, but FA and TC both definitely target DB. I don’t mean around the clock 24/7. You can’t be too angry at the people who “cry” about a 2v1 when it does stress people out and we actually lose numbers due to it. TC bl is always lacking red bases around this time and FA bl is always missing green bases around this time. Not saying there is some alliance in any way, but it does boil down to this every night. Sorry that some people make a bigger deal out of it than the others.
Perfectly said.
I don’t like it when people “cry” about it, as I feel it’s intended to happen on occasion considering the design of the game. I think it’s silly to call the other servers cowards and whatnot.
But clearly DB has a huge bullseye on its back.
Enough people complain about 2v1 for its own sake that there is no room for someone to say “yeah, we’re getting 2v1ed but it’s part of the game!” The actual content of the rest of the post doesn’t matter, if your posts has the words “2v1” or “double team” in it, it is instantly written off and you’ll probably be trolled. You’ve got to step carefully if you’re posting anything other than “good fights on @@BL@@ tonight guys!” or “wow, @@server@@ really pushing hard!”
That being said, I’ve been really surprised with FA so far. I have been out of town for part of the weekend, but just watching the scores has been pretty interesting. I’m not sure when I last saw a reset weekend that was this close. I like how the week actually matters in this matchup; up until April or so pretty much every match I had played was decided within the first 72ish hours.
Get over yourself seriously. You said it last week and have reiterated your feelings quite clearly again today: “TC can’t win/take first without FA’s help.”
I… What? Often no one can win without another server’s “help” in this tier because the three servers are so closely matched… it has been like that in T2 for a while.
It seems strange to me that it’s okay to say that FA and TC are fundamentally incapable of double teaming another server for more than 20 minutes, but advancing the notion that all three of us have ‘teamed’ with other servers at some point is met with incredulity and derision. I’m not trying to take anything away from TC’s win by describing some of the factors that contributed to it. I’m sure most of you have already chosen not to believe this, but I actually don’t lay DB’s loss entirely at the feet of the 2v1 between Wednesday and Thursday. In my mind, we had a chance to win right up until the point TC started completing upgrades on our garrison.
So you’re not trying to take anything away from TC’s win but surely you’re not so dense as to think that bringing it up repeatedly doesn’t give the impression that that’s what you think and that people won’t take offense to your posts?
See above.
Oi, this is what makes communicating on the web so strangely difficult…. >.<
Offering retrospective commentary shouldn’t always constitute crying or excuse-making, which is why I’m constantly emphasizing that I understand the strategy and don’t hold it against those who benefit from it. I’ve done it myself, as I say in one of the posts of mine that you quoted above.
TC has done what it takes to win in this tier. DB has done what it takes to win in this tier. Those are the facts that matter, everything else is just the details; how it happened and why. 2v1’s don’t always meaningfully impact the match outcome, but DB withered under this one and it did. We lost the match when we lost control of our home BL on Wednesday night, and failed to recap any meaningful ground for way too long. Whether the double-team persisted before, through or beyond that doesn’t really matter at the end of the week.
I’m not complaining about 2v1, I’m just saying that it did happen and the deniers are being silly.
“Blackgate loves a good 2v1, bring it on SoR and JQ.” — T1 NA thread
“At the very least you can 2v1 the heck of them this coming week!!!” — T1 EU thread
“We didnt expected 2v1 for sure.And yeah js kodash learn to fight not hide only behind walls and ac.” — T2 EU thread
“Finally we have our very first 2v1 accusation. This now actually feels like a WvW thread!” — T4 NA thread
“Or it could be the fact that even with a 2v1, the match is still stagnant.” — T5 NA thread
“We are blaming you for the 2v1 as that is apparently what happened to DR.” — T6 NA thread
“HoD saying ET and FC are 2v1 on they? That’s not new either… GoM said the same thing while they were here…” — T8 NA thread
In fact, if you search the WvW forums you’ll find 2534 accusations/references to 2v1 spanning every single tier. I had no idea there was so much subterfuge going on.
I was responding to a specific poster who said this:
I actually think it would be funny if we grouped up with TC for a day. Split that map down evenly. DB would see a type of pain that would be with them for a long long time. But it just wont happen. We like to fight each other too darn much,(TC & FA) we wouldnt last 20 minutes before one of us or both of us were sneaking in behind to get an advantage in on the other.
But the “tin hats” will always see it that way, no matter what.
I responded to the effect that this was silly because this exact thing happened on Wednesday. The “deniers” I refer to are ganeshori and those who agree with them, perhaps I should have made that more clear.
Anyway, apparently nothing I can say can make a difference anymore, you all have apparently decided to run wild with my statements, so I’ll leave you to it. Yes, Usagi, I’ve said many times in the past that double teams happen. I’m sorry for whatever I did/said/how I came across to make you and everyone else so angry.
Get over yourself seriously. You said it last week and have reiterated your feelings quite clearly again today: “TC can’t win/take first without FA’s help.”
I… What? Often no one can win without another server’s “help” in this tier because the three servers are so closely matched… it has been like that in T2 for a while.
It seems strange to me that it’s okay to say that FA and TC are fundamentally incapable of double teaming another server for more than 20 minutes, but advancing the notion that all three of us have ‘teamed’ with other servers at some point is met with incredulity and derision. I’m not trying to take anything away from TC’s win by describing some of the factors that contributed to it. I’m sure most of you have already chosen not to believe this, but I actually don’t lay DB’s loss entirely at the feet of the 2v1 between Wednesday and Thursday. In my mind, we had a chance to win right up until the point TC started completing upgrades on our garrison.
2v1? This again? Good lord, you weren’t able to take back your Garrison for 38+ hours. It didn’t just get waypointed, it got fully upgraded. It didn’t fall until FA took the rest of the map despite every coverage spot getting a shot at it and a full queue for you. I.E. Stop with the 2v1 excuse, it’s silly. The fact that this happened in the first place is your real issue.
Not being able to take back Garrison was pretty ridiculous, but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t an actual 2v1 going on in the larger sense. There’s still no excuse for not being able to take it back with a full queue (which we had rather often), but that doesn’t mean TC didn’t get a little strategic help from FA this week. If FA hadn’t been on board with a double team, I’m not sure TC would have won this matchup. But that’s just my opinion and I’m sure residents of both servers will disagree.
I can’t speak for everyone of course, but I’m not complaining about 2v1, I’m just saying that it did happen and the deniers are being silly. TC and FA decided (independently or not doesn’t really matter to me) they wanted DB to finish last, so they focused us. That’s fine, stuff happens. Anyone who has been playing WvW for more than a week or two has experienced a 2v1, and most of us will again.
I actually think it would be funny if we grouped up with TC for a day. Split that map down evenly. DB would see a type of pain that would be with them for a long long time. But it just wont happen. We like to fight each other too darn much,(TC & FA) we wouldnt last 20 minutes before one of us or both of us were sneaking in behind to get an advantage in on the other
You best be trollan son.
After DB’s SEA guilds logged out on Wednesday, both FA and TC went after us hammer and tong, largely ignoring each others’ territory. We were pushed nearly to zero PPT as FA and TC attacked us and only us in tandem on all maps. On EB that night, TC and FA split the map down the middle and didn’t attack each other at all until close to 2am EST on Thursday morning. I even saw some players /dancing with each other near our towers, and no towers or camps changed hands between FA and TC after we were pushed back to Lowlands.
That being said, 2v1 is a valid strategy and this kind of play was clearly intended to occur, as per the devs’ choices in map design and match architecture (e.g. 1v1v1 as opposed to 1v1 or 1v1v1v1). It’s not worth whining about, but it’s also silly to pretend it never happens. We’ve all done it at some point, so to suggest that this has never happened, or couldn’t happen is just absurd.
Man, someone needs to copy edit that. About halfway through they switch from “server” to “shard,” and “world” is thrown in there once or twice. And then at the end it says “Your guess is as good as mine is.”
/pedant
I think I like the idea though. We’ll see how it works out.
Looks like we get to fight different opponents.
Awesome. Excited for new match ups.
DB go hard this next week !
Yes, I am sure blow-out matches will be uber fun, specially when KN goes against JQ, that will make a great match right?
I’m kind of worried about this too. I understand the concerns about stagnant tiers, but I worry that the match ups will be too stressful on some WvW guilds. One week you might win by like 50k, but you won’t even know who your next opponent is until reset. And then BAM! it’s Blackgate or TC and you have to WvW 24/7 to have a chance of just staying in the match.
I like the idea of having different opponents, but I wonder if the WvW population is really large enough to make them consistently interesting. It would be better if ANet could consider merging some of the lower population servers. I know that will never happen because it makes the game look like it’s not selling enough copies, but I think it would go a long way towards making the WvW matchups more fun and interesting.
I understand you CO guys are trying to help/rally DB, but wouldn’t strategic conversations about what should and shouldn’t be done be better kept on DB’s private forums? Posting it here likely will alienate a larger portion of the population that’s out there trying their best.
This. While the conversation probably needs to happen, when a new transfer guild starts giving constructive criticism, it can come across as “I know you guys have been here for a long time, but you’re doing it all wrong.” Probably best to keep those discussions off the official forums.
Sorry, not trying to criticize, I just really like the fight that DB brings. Wouldn’t want drama to interfere with your ability to bring the pain. ;-)
I don’t really see what the problem is, honestly. All that’s been said is that we need to buckle down and get on the same page. These things are being discussed in more detail behind closed doors, but I don’t see anything wrong with expressing a little self-awareness here. I know it’s important to keep morale up, but not everyone reads the server forums, and I think they deserve to know that people are aware of the problem and are trying to fix it. Painting too rosy a picture (“we’re doing just great guys!! keep it up!!”) can have its consequences too, and some of them were manifest on Kaineng.
The competition is really making WvW fun for me right now, and I sure hope things don’t get gooned up with this upcoming change to WvW.
This is why I’m hoping DB’s WvW core shows up pronto. If we think TC is fielding huge numbers now, we’ll poop our pants when we see it after the changes come. The boost they got after the culling patch was one of the nails in Kaineng’s coffin.
Well DB’s SEA presence is our WvW core! NA and EU has always been about fighting greater numbers. The influx of guilds was supposed to shore up that gap, but I dont’ think it’s to the level we thought it would be at this point.
I think it has more to do with raid schedules than numbers, to be honest. We had a full queue on DB BL last night, but we were doing better on TC BL because that’s where RE was raiding.
Last night DB BL was split between the largely ineffective CO raid and one or two other commanders I can’t recall. I think our pugs may have followed one, then the other, wiped both times (since neither force was large enough to fight on its own for very long) and either left or just started trying to get to whoever was in garrison when they respawned. I don’t think it’s necessarily the case that DB doesn’t have the NA turnout to compete, what we need is to organize, communicate, and execute better.
The competition is really making WvW fun for me right now, and I sure hope things don’t get gooned up with this upcoming change to WvW.
This is why I’m hoping DB’s WvW core shows up pronto. If we think TC is fielding huge numbers now, we’ll poop our pants when we see it after the changes come. The boost they got after the culling patch was one of the nails in Kaineng’s coffin.
What happened during SEA prime today? Was that crew not online? I heard there were megazergs of doom moving around yesterday and taking anything left standing. :-O
I’m not sure. I was a couple hours later getting on this morning than I was yesterday, but I’m usually on for most of SEA prime anyway and I didn’t see the same people/guilds. They may have taken the night off since all the work they did last night was completely undone within 2 or 3 hours of their logging off.
DB really needs to pace itself. This “work hard for 2-3 days then coast” crap just isn’t going to cut it; SEA will burn out very quickly if they have to carry the PPT burden. If DB can’t consistently tick 300 or close during NA prime, she will have some serious problems against both of these servers. It is my understanding that our entire WvW crew hasn’t materialized yet, but I hope it does soon.
It’s a sad state that DBBL is queued for DB, but our zergs cannot coordinate at all. We outnumbered the TC zerg ball outside garrison a fair amount, and we got to watch them fend us off as a well coordinated group. Meanwhile most DB folks were running around like chickens with their heads cut off. We didn’t stack, and when the commander pushed 80% of DB hung back and watched them get slaughtered. Frustrating! We aren’t getting beat by the enemy, we are beating ourselves!
Yeah it was hard to watch. I was on my zerker ele last night and I had bigger balls than our frontline. The only time I saw us make it to inner we just kind of looped around and didnt push in to the lord at all. It made me sad.
[Agg], Man up and fight us outside of Garrison, please.
Edit: In particular, outside of AC range.
Ask and you shall receive.
Also, shout-out to CERN and EP, you guys are bringing the fight daily.
/respect
[Agg] fights are my favorite. You never know who is going to come out on top. Looking forward to seeing more of you guys in the future!
Can someone give a recap of last night? What happened in DBBL that we still own Garrison + Bay?
I was only there for a couple hours, but the gist of it seems to be “zero coordination.” When I was there we were running split zergs and I think they were only in garrison at the same time for about ten minutes.
There really isn’t any excuse for having a full queue and not being able to take Garri. Hell, there really isn’t any excuse for letting it get waypointed in the first place. This server has mightily disappointed me in the last 20-odd hours. Our effort since SEA prime yesterday has been nothing short of abysmal.
Well it looks like FA is done for this week and more then like T2.
Um, what?
FA may be done on the scoreboard, but that’s more due to coverage gaps than to attitude IMO. Been in WvW all week, and when FA is there, they’re THERE. I consistently see the PPT swing heavily in their favor when they’re actually on the field.
And as for them being “done” in T2… barring the May 28 ranking shakeup and how that pans out, they’re far from done in T2. They’re currently more than 100 Glicko points ahead of Mags, and that lead is increasing.
FA isn’t going anywhere, and I’m glad they’re not.
I think things are going to get a lot worst for FA soon it sux but we will try to have fun before it happens! Also during bags are still bags you guys are good to farm.
FA are currently ticking for highest PPT during DB prime time
To be fair, we’ve been consistently double teamed (in the strategic sense, not necessarily in open-field fights) since yesterday’s SEA shift ended. Apparently us ticking 500 for a few hours and almost catching TC rustled some jimmies… :P
Not complaining about it, just saying it happened. Hell, we double teamed FA the other night because they gave up stonemist to TC in order to fully defend Anz from our zerg. Once that happened our commander was like “kitten this, I’m going for FA the rest of the night!”
So when TC wouldn’t pay for TVB’s transfer they came to FA instead?
Well, we didn’t pay for them either.
That’s good
Sorry for the needed clarification……TC(some benefactor) did offer to “assist” with our move, a nice healthy amount. WE turned it down. (I personally glad we did.)
As I stated in another post we were looking for various things in a server and found what we wanted/needed on FA, so we farmed our own gold and moved over 30+ players over to FA and have enjoyed each day here thus far.
TY Eva, you all have been very welcoming to us….see you out on the map!
Wait wait wait… so I have to kill you and Kittidel now? This is not cool! >:O
All I can say is….theres no way in hell we could match the amount of peeps from TC and DB on the EB map tonite. Tho that Battle with TC in pangloss…that turned into a battle with DB when they snuck in the other side…was freakin great. I think we did pretty good on that one. Would love to see a video of it if anyone from any of the servers, recorded it.
I was there, but I didn’t record it. It was pretty glorious though.
And actually, yeah, total server population and WvW turnout tend to correlate. When they don’t (it happened with Kaineng) bad things tend to happen to the server. TC has been pretty stable and well populated I’ll grant you, but you can’t possibly be suggesting that she has never recruited WvW guilds. As someone pointed out earlier, DB is only getting pooped on because they happened/are happening more recently. Full stop.
This has been answered by someone in this thread.. They received CD guilds and 1 FA. It’s no big deal
Right, and some people gave them crap for it at the time. They didn’t deserve it then any more than DB deserves it now. People need to stop caring so much about where guilds choose to play and just enjoy the matchups. Top-tier NA WvW has actually gotten a lot more competitive score-wise these last few months and I really like that. If guilds moving around a bit or getting more active in WvW is what’s making that happen, we should encourage it.
What you said explicitly states you think TC should be scrutinized for its server status going to full in the same that DB is for being a bandwagon destination. How is this anything other than an attempt at derision. It’s fine if it is but don’t play so innocent.
No, what that passage says is that DB is being ripped for increasing their population, and TC isn’t despite being full. DB is not (at least not that I’ve seen) but we’re the ones getting pooped on for some reason.
Pointing out a double standard should not be taken as an insult to the server, it should be taken as a smack on the nose to forum warriors. It just seems a little silly to me to mock DB for its population/turnout increase when it still has less than TC. I mean hell, TC is full right now and it’s 2pm EST on a weekday.
It is a false comparison, TC is the rp server we have a consistent and booming pve population- one that is certainly contributing to our full status. There is a difference between having a full server and actively recruiting guilds to bandwagon up through a tier.
Every server has PvE populations, I don’t really understand what you’re getting at by pointing that out. There’s still only 3 full servers in NA, and 2 of them are in Tier 1.
Also, again, TC has recruited guilds in the past. Recruiting guilds is part of the metagame and it’s valid whether you personally care for it or not. No one in T1 or T2 really has moral high ground on that issue, except possibly JQ.
I’m not claiming higher ground. We took a lot of flak and nastiness for trying to recruit in our weak timezones; expect the same.
I didn’t say you were. I’m just saying (again) that it’s silly to criticize DB for something that every competitive server does. We’ve recruited guilds, so what? TC did it, BG did it, SoR did it. If individual guilds/players are being jerks about it then by all means let them have it, but all this talk about how dishonorable it is for DB to be recruiting WvW guilds really rustles muh jimmies.
And actually, yeah, total server population and WvW turnout tend to correlate. When they don’t (it happened with Kaineng) bad things tend to happen to the server. TC has been pretty stable and well populated I’ll grant you, but you can’t possibly be suggesting that she has never recruited WvW guilds. As someone pointed out earlier, DB is only getting pooped on because they happened/are happening more recently. Full stop.
