Guild Wars 2

To be a good thief, you kinda need to learn mobs/bosses to be good. You have to know what attacks to dodge.
And anyone that says they live in zerker gear is bsing, or have not done high level fracs.

Columba.9730:

Actually most classes don’t have that kind of burst potential.

D/D Ele, Warriors, Guardians, and Mesmers.
Mesmers and Warriors can/have higher burst then us.

Has anyone noticed when you CnD sometimes it does it twice, breaking the stealth? I am running P/D bleed/venom share in PvE and for WvW/sPvp I run P/D bleed/healing spec. And it seems when I use this it does it twice, I am not hitting the button twice it just happens. Anyone else having this problem?
Thank you
~Lil Arsenic~

You have 16k hp, and how Anet said damage works. Vit/health is counter to burst. Toughness is counter to constant damage. Maybe try to get some more health?

Roll a Warrior. Be tanky and have higher burst then a thief.

It sounds like the build I am running now. It can basically out live anyone. Because they will have high toughness and high regens in stealth. Only class I ever have problems with is D/D eles, well because, they do EVERYTHING.
I feel the ol mighty nerf bat coming for this spec since everyone is starting to run it.
And we all know anet loves to put us thieves down.

First off, warriors are op, they get higher burst then any other class without trying. Thieves need a bleed duration in traits like EVERY other class has. That’s all I really want, some love for bleed thieves. We can ether spam c&d and sneak attack, or death blossom. On top of that, thieves P 1 shot having just a little 4 second on it ’s bleed. I bet warriors rifle 1 is longer.

When I was looking at dps for direct damage vs bleed damage. Direct damage did do a little more dps. I think my dps with direct damage, I was guessing around 2800. I could be totally wrong on this, and it also depends on the mobs toughness. Bleeding, with only 10 stacks, I was doing 1300-1400 with only bleeds. I can get up more bleeds but 10 was just a solid choice. This is also just kinda guessing seeing how I don’t have a dps meter.
The reason I went bleed spec on my thief is because of the group support I can do with it.

Whoever is saying thieves are not useful in groups, try again. I give my group might, swiftness, fury, vigor, and boons the boss has and venoms that heal. And every 36 seconds we stun lock a mob/boss for about 4 seconds. On top of having a clutch rez when needed.
Any class rolling 3-5 signets in a dungeon is bad. I seen a 4 signet thief before and it’s just bad. Same with Warriors, if my friends and I have to pug a person and it’s a 4/5 sig warrior, we laugh in mumble at him.

Rhukong.9547:

I’d love to be able to get Lodestones with the tokens from that dungeon. Ex: CoE tokens can be used to get a Charged Lodestone.
I think with the right token price it could work well. It would encourage more people to do dungeons also. Right now I never get a group for a dungeon that is solely from people within my own home world server.

Also, it would drop some of the prices for them on the TP, especially the ridiculous Charged Lodestone and give people a way to obtain them rather then simply buying them or hoping for the RNG to favor them that day. It would make the progression of actually getting all the lodestones you need actually feel like your progressing towards your goal as you would KNOW that you will get another lodestone by getting enough tokens rather than hoping for it to drop randomly.

This please. Please please please. I have ran CoF and SE so many times to not get cores or lodestones.

LiquidDeath.8175:

Warriors OP, nerf thieves!!

This is so true, it’s not even funny. And so many warrs complain about thieves.

I will deal with the nerfs and just cry in a corner as support guardians start to out dps us in dungeons.
Yea, bring on more nerfs.
I though it was funny anyways.

XII.9401:

Bloodgruve.6038:

My main is a thief. I am WvW as a guardian and mesmer. I have not died to a ‘1 shot backstab’ thief in quite a long time. This is because I know how to deal with it.

First and biggest problem is the rendering issue, this needs to be fixed before any changes are made to a class. This issue is terrible, I’ve found myself in the middle of an enemy zerg, they just appeared around me, they were not thieves…

Second problem is that people complaining don’t know how to counter the thief or have come across a thief who has all of their cooldowns available and were not prepared for it. Roll a thief, learn it and know it and then you will see that it’s not so terribly OP against an experienced and skillful opponent. I’m not saying this is easy to counter but there is a way.

Blood~

The 1st two lines really sum up your argument. Play an OP class to counter an OP class..gotcha! Pick one of the holy trinity.

Say what you want..this thread would not be so long if ALOT of the paying customers were not dissatisfied with the thief class being overpowered with broken mechanics.

To sum up the imbalance and broken mechanics:
1.Damage is still too high. See my recent thread on 75% health wiped in under a second on my warrior.
2.Amount of re-stealthing with certain builds like the pistol condition build is out of control.
3.Ability to move across land faster than anything in the game. We never bother chasing a thief in wvw.
4.Ability to revive or finish downed players in stealth. Any action performed in stealth should break it..period. Stealth gives you the -almost always- unopposed element of surprise.
5.Ability to get out of any fight. If you commit to a fight you should pay the price like the rest of us.

But yes..thanks for your unpredictable arguments:
1.L2P. I’m sure the person hacking the orbs was thinking the same thing.
2.Play a thief or a holy trinity class..coz it’s all about skill, yo!
3.Play another game.

I’m sure Anet is sensible enough to realize when there is significant imbalance in-game and move to address it before they lose a player base that does not thrive on taking advantage of these imbalances.

Every company makes mistakes..but not every company leaves those to fester..and fester..till they start losing the majority of their customers.

Oh, your that warrior that went glass cannon and got blown up by a glass cannon thief. Stealth and high mobility is our survival tools. I don’t ever want to hear warriors who can get higher burst then us complain. And you have more vit and toughness over us. Stop complaining.

Best thing Anet could to do for us thieves. Stop listening to scrubs who don’t know how to counter a thief, or other people that go class cannon and get blown up by us.

A glass cannon, getting blown up by another glass cannon. Seems about right, nothing to QQ about.
L2 not go glass cannon?

ykyk.2740:

So someone made a mistake and put down the wrong blueprint. Some people didn’t think to click on the blueprint to check before building. Woah, the whole server must be a bunch of scrubs!

Classy topic, would read again.

Dude chill out, it was just funny, and well, I had to post something about it.

This thread was made to dog on us thieves. All you QQers are getting us nerfed so don’t worry about it.

You guys are good. Like really good. Picture is proof.

So, no one really knows.
Devs please say something.

I have heard that magic find is completely broken. My friend said Anet said something about it, I am now trying to find it and can’t find anything if it’s working or not.
So, is Magic find working?

So I recently went a bleed spec. Went D/D and D/P for my weapon sets. I feel it does not do as much damage as my direct damage set. Both sets of gear had full exotics. The bleeds only tick for about 116 but start ticking really really fast. But when I get can like 4k auto attacks alone on my direct damage, I just don’t see how bleeds beats that damage wise.
Would help if re had a damage meter or a target dummy. (For the purpose of helping me, not being a dick.)
The bleed spec was really fun, I did it of two ways, death blossomed or CnD for a sneak attack constantly.
Even comparing bleeds to my short bow auto attack, it seems the short bow wins.
What do yall think?

Human Thief, no speed buff since they locked the skills.

So please fix Arah so I can actually do the dungeon. If you do not know what I mean, on Rall right now, no events or anything and it’s unlocked but a door stops you from going into the dungeon. Please fix this so i can do the dungeon.
Server resets, will open it until it just breaks again a couple of hours later.

What he means is Destroyer Lodestone’s right now are over 1g 40s a pop and you need 100 of them. I have ran SE a lot and rarely see one or a core for that matter. Sure it’s farmable if you want to do SE let’s see. About a core per 2 or 3 runs. For this let’s say 2.
400 times you would have to run it? That is what he is getting at the cost compared to other gifts.

Helcor.9527:

Mikitten058:

3:22am EST update

Holy kitten!!! How is SoR taking out the hordes of YB and GoM invaders??!!!???

There is not really that many of them. I will say right now, SoR is winning due to numbers.

SausageStorm.4293:

lol dem Thieves

Webley.1295:

Tijo.9857:

Thieves not rendering got my vote… going from 100% to 20% to an invisible foe = broken

Who here knows the mechanics of stealth and thief? Im judging no one above.
The first hit from stealth is pretty much always for free and invisible and usually a backstab or backstab combo.

A fully geared backstab that takes down another glass cannon with no toughness and no orbs and has the HP of a rabbit (or under lvl 80) is perfectly normal.

There are to many glass cannons saying they die to quickly…… thats the issue. Glass cannon is the thiefs favorite prey

I build a Tanky Warrior and still die pretty fast to Thieves, but I guess the next thing you’ll argue is my player skill isn’t it. Don’t know why people defend something that’s clearly broken.

Yeah, the highest burst class QQing about the class that has the 2nd highest burst.

People keep xfering to Rall. Stop xfering to my server! We already have a queue time now.

As a thief that plays backstab build in WvW(And sPvp a little). I don’t run assassins signet because I prefer the stun breaker of shadow step to much. If they nerf backstab they are really taking away any burst we have. I play a thief because I love stealthy classes and the burst that comes with them. But as of right now, a warrior has the highest burst and way more hp and toughness. Let alone our survivability does not come from being tanky but stealthing and get away.
PW was not really that powerful, unless you are just dumb and do not run a stun breaker. Most bad thieves ran haste along with it and guess what, after they poped that and most likely another skill. They had nothing left.
Why are thieves getting the nerf bat and warriors left untouched?

No idea what you are talking about.

I like the idea, but then getting an orb would not be a top priory.

Thieves are amazing in WvW. Not only can we drop someone in 2 shots, but massive AoE damage. 5k-6k cluster bombs. Not only do you have amazing damage, but you can escape from almost anything. Not good at attacking a tower/keep? Cluster bomb at the wall, hitting players for like I said 5k to 6k damage. Bounce attack to keep people off of cannons/burning oil? Also we are the best scouts out of all classes.
I am sorry but, your doing something wrong.

I run CoE with some guildies every once and awhile, and I will say, alpha is not hard. Just a long annoying fight. I don’t mind dodging the AoE’s and such, but making it a 30 min+ fight does not make it more hard or more fun. Just reduce his health is all I ask for.

I was leading a group to take Green B from SF with no hacking. Took forever to take that tower but we did it.
If I see anyone hacking on my side, I will report them no problem. Don’t go blaming all of Rall for hacking.
@Dark Haven, I hate you, took forever to take that tower, then you outnumber us 10-1 and come in and take everything this morning.

Make it so I can’t WvW with most people in my guild, yeaaaaaa, NO.

Halo.8976:

Weak, you say? Don’t be such narrow-minded. Level 10 thief will murder level 80 necro, level 20 ele more welcome at siege than level 80 thief. Level 20 warrior more useful at open field combat than level 80 ele. Level 20 necro is way much better at defending stuff behind gates, than 80 level warrior could be.
Ect-ect.

You don’t seem to know what a Thief can do at a siege. Cluster bombing people for 5ks on a wall.

As much as I want to say yes.
NO. Bad idea.

So not true. Last week, us Rall people got smashed by Fort Aspen. We stole one of them back, only for there night crew to take it back, plus everything else we took back but that’s another story. My guild and I still destroyed Fort Apen when they had all 3 orbs. Made it harder but we did it.
I like them being there.

Saga.1652:

I’d say the only class that really feels superior to the others is Mesmer. Thieves are excellent Dolyak assassins though, but Mesmers are the only class I don’t dare go 1v1.

In WvW, how my Thief is built, I smash them. In sPvp I leave them alone.
But about the topic, WvW is more about range fights and aoes. And some pulls. I feel kinda bad for warriors and thieves such as myself. But on another note, I love being one of the main scouts for my guild.

WvW does take skill, of the group. When my guildies roll out, we smash zergs twice or three times our size. WvW is not about 1v1 fights.
Even though on my 80 Thief, when I scout seeing 1 person alone and just smashing there face in quickly.

If a Thief stealths, do what I do, auto attack around with a melee weapon. You will be able to hear the hit, or you will go to your next attack. I am useing a sword right now on my Thief so it is a little easier. Just Guardians are wicked for everything. Good Mesmer’s are wicked annoying to.
Edit : Mesmer’s are wicked annoying but you can at least take them down. And I have beaten some Guardians in 1v1, just if there good, it’s going to be almost impossible.

I had to log in to agree with this. I main a Thief and I wanted to try a Guardian out for fun. I face rolled so much easier then on my Thief.
I went with a great sword spec with two meditations and buff to my F123 keys. I was not doing as much damage as my thief but I was hurting people for a good amount. I had more support, more healing, more tanky, then on my thief.

I have been 80 for awhile on my Thief now and I still have not gotten all orange gear/Jewelry yet. It does take a bit to get all the top end gear you want, but I have not gotten bored at all with the game so far. I sPvP, do dungeons, maybe try to get 100% map which I am at like 50 something. WvW with my guild. I am still having a blast even though I am 80. Play the game to have fun.

I have seen a tanky con damage thief in sPvP. He used signet of malice, I think it’s called and death blossomed a lot. Just remember there is no range or melee professions in this game, everyone can do it all. I suggested go in and melee when it’s safe and range when it’s not.

I remember people back in WoW misspelling rogue. I have not paid attention to how people spell thief in this game yet. I miss spell guardian a lot I think.

I am loving my thief for every part of the game. PvE, sPvP and WvW. Someone said that thieves suck in WvW which is totally not true. Have you seen what you can do with cluster bomb while attacking or defending a place? 5k crits with that.
I am currently using the PW build which is hella fun, and I will usely drop someone, or close to. Stealth I think should maybe last 1 second longer but it’s fine as it is now.
Blinding powder, instant cast stealth right there. If your good at playing your thief, people will not kill you. You can escape so many tight spots. Someone said they think mesmer’s are op, I do think they are.
A thief in this game feels more like a thief. I love mine and have tried other classes but keep going back.
That’s my 2 cents. If your having that many problems add me in game and let’s talk, I will help you all you want.
My IGN is Lil Arsenic.