Guild Wars 2

yes.. 1v1 duel fights mesmers are very nice.. effective..

But the question i asked.. so answer is.. Mesmers are veil bot on gvg play(20/25vs20/25 or 15).. not effective..

*lack of role.. what mesmer do? :S

*projectile reflection: anyway there not much projectile on gvg, guardians WoR is enough for regroups..

*condition removal: u mean on shatters? oh no.. in 9 rounds example how much conditions u clear total? let eles to do it.. while u sacrife other skills to gm inspiration.. nullfeed.. ? bah necros wells are better imo.. anyway for support almost all gvg mesmers have nullfield, other is blink(mandotary – cuz lack of stun-breakers, and for mobility, and last skill probably veil :P)

*AoE stuns/interrupts: domination gm trait? %50 chance stun on dazes? or imbued diversion? for random daze 1 sec while have 34sec (with trait) and on random chance to hit, delayed, while illusions dying.. staff? if u want to be crowd controller why not warior? hammer stuns blast 3sec Stun.. with 35sec to staff or 10 sec Hammer War? while u can tank.. anyway the team u re fighting have stability orders.. is not WvW.. random fights..

*AoE confusion: bah u change most of your build to aeo conf.. i prefer go power.. u ll do more damage total..

Yes these.. sounds nothing to me to compare total effectiveness with other classes.. Why should i take mesmer to my group.. it should not be a Hack&Slash game..

Yes they are not good as others in competitive, group based, team oriented groups to fight with the same enemy group..

Wars and guards? probably u never watch/play any gvg match or organized group fights.. u can start with youtube gvg showdown series.. with Ogre.. its nice..

yes maybe TW can increase effectivenes of group in 1 round +%0…to%10 in 10sec(25 players, TW limit 5 ppl with +%50 quickness)while Banner can(if 5 ppl downed and banner rally them-> when teams effectiveness decreased to %80 when downed with Banner rally.. effectiveness can back to %100 again in round time.. +%0…to %20 with round time if 1 player rallied %4 in round time(rounds can long more than 5mins..)

there re some roles can wars can do..
tank(take aggro,take damage)
bunker(hold the lines, wall, leave safe place to supporters, skirmishes, rangers, squishy guys, strikers)
Crowd controller-initiator (Hammer Stun 3sec, 10sec cd +blast +damage) cripple(sword burst)
secondarly
can support, cleanse, heal, warhorns..

Guardians.. burst gs, pulls, Rings….. more more

SO WHAT CAN U GIVE ROLE TO MESMER, OR CHOOSE MESMER INSTEAD OF OTHER CLASSES? WHY..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kczbF1laPe8 CoN vs UNIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWJ39whrsLQ CoN vs CTRL
example my last 2 gvgs pov mesmer.. i record them to watch and can spec my mistakes, how i can improve.. bla bla.. i am not perfect just want to improve.. is a heavy shatter build.. these videos looks is some effective.. but if u watch other classes pov u can see the difference.. (were some training gvgs)

in gw2buildcraft have coefficent skills except mesmer

ok i have a question.. example on an open field, there are 2 groups; competitive, team oriented-organized, 25players. they will do sandbox gvg match.. (with wvw customization, (no res ing death, no weapon stacks, limited area, round fights)

-why would you choose to take a mesmer class in your 25 group..
-and which with build/role/mission
-except 1 meser which is for veil with this meta..

as this meta i see that mesmers needed for veil, portal, tw,
as these groups(guild vs guild)

did i miss something? why this is the meta, 1 or 2 mesmers for as gvg groups for veils,
cuz of lack of overall effectiveness rather than other classes..

Is there any available skill coefficient list for Mesmers?

and i couldnt spec that whom i give shatter order to my clones, but they killed by fields(or with somebody else) while running on the target, do clones still trigger of confusing combatants, Debilitating dissipation and crippling dissipation to radius 240 to 5(3) targets? anyone approve this ?
wiki confused me that shatter does not trigger them anyway in that situation?

i couldnt spec that which i give shatter order to my clones, but they killed by fields(or with somebody else) while running on the target, do clones still trigger of confusing combatants, Debilitating dissipation and crippling dissipation to radius 240 to 5 targets?

IGN: Azolina
Play Style: PvPs, WvW (but interested in more GvG)
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• Does it approved thay exactly aeo cap to 5?
• and while the illusions running for shatter effect to enemy A but before triggered for shatter effect, they destroyed by enemy B on the way while illusions couldnt reach A.. so do they trigger those 3 traits aswell ? (i mean give command to illusions to shatter, and if they destroyed by fields or from somebody those traits still effect or no?)
• and Phantasms are the same as clones?
  thank you..

Confusing Combatants, Crippling Dissipation and Confusing Combatants,
*example when i press f1 to shatter my illusions to enemy A but while on the way to A illusion destroyed by another enemy B do they still triggered?
if yes all has..
-aeo cap 3?
-radius is 240?
-effected by conditions durations?
-do they stack?

anyone can approve?

i know shatter effect does not trigger them..

i think mesmers are still weak.. cuz of the lack of effectiveness compare to another classes.. execept that being some skill bot.. as veil,tw,portal(these are te unique things that can be seperated from other classes)
and the roles of mesmers..
in wvw..
-gateambushers hide in keep and open portal
-move the golems faster

examples.. for phantasms..
at least let them attack at least 1 time.. what the logic.. u use izerker before it hits it die due to mass fields.. so u lack 1 skill compare to another classes without any reason..
and u more change to your build to can be focus on phantasm.. if.. so u lost more than 1 skill.. with primarly 20sec cd and there has no some much slections..

i really dont like chance factor mechanic..

so why can u go with mesmer for zerg fights, or 20vs20 or 25vs25
where u choose mesmer instead of other classes.. ? so its a nerf of being class mesmer in this mechanic.. or so it needs more balancing between environments…

-with 3 clones bf leap f1, f3, mirror images f2 with ipersona
-and other regular uses..

some old but example have some uses of this combo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJg6nFrdesg

i would like to use 20/20/0/0/30 more.. with shattered concentration on pvp.. cuz of ripping boons benefit is better effect overall.. exp if u rip the protection u can do %33 more damage theorically. and like to use f3 not on stacking vulnerability on interrupt or full burst as f1 f3 f2, and imo shattered mesmer is better on burst rather than usage of damage per sec, so focus on timing would be better overall.. and u can use staff with s/anything on pvp is make u better mobile and survival.. pov..

Cares Less.9631:

Carighan.6758:

Oh sorry, it probably sounded more harsh than intended. I was joking, yeah. And you’re right, we are perfectly beatable, even 1v1. Even the “dreaded” Phantasm Mesmer, and 1v1 she’s fighting on home turf.

It’s just that people rarely want to hear “You could…”, they want to win. Being killed = not winning, and if it happens a few times they take it to the forums because obviously it has to be something wrong with the game, not them.

Well said, they are low skill people who don’t want to learn and improve, looking for the easy option all the time.

i dont understand how u understand, its vice versa what u say..
i am expericed with the most of the games in competitive way for 15years..
in gw2 i ve some fair experience with mesmer/ in tpvp,wvw,and gvg(~9mathces)
over the 9 months with ~1200 hours (just played pve for make lvl80mesmer).. just joined forums a month ago.. all the builds its already posted on forums, fotm-meta builds i ve already experienced
imo whats the things show thakittens good player, basiclly..
*knowladgeble (game mechanic, most of the classes, excatly his classes,skills, builds, experience)
*timing (knows.. when where how why he does things on time, concentration/perception, reflexs.
and it should not be on
*luck (why-game mechanic..)

so pls, give answer my previous post.. let me know what i missed i ll be apriciate..

I would like to hear as well from devs is there have any work on offical gvg mode?
let me not to stop playing this game i am getting bored too.. i still playing gw2 because of offical gvg ll come soon.. if not hear anything news about it.. why not stop playing gw2.. i dont interest, pve, wvw, and bored from pvp..
Most of my friends left the game because of there has/had no offical gvg aswell,
as we are competitive team oriented players, since the early of gw1,
we wouldnt have(couldnt find) any goal in macro in gw2..

*offical ranking system
*spec mode as in pvp maps, for recent or after match gvg plays..
*guild halls
*can do detailed player setups as in hearth of mist but with wvw/pve variations not limited..
*Guild vs guild maps
there are some basics,.. and more..

i dont care pvx wvw solo,
as a competitive team oriented vs balanced matches.. (like sandbox gvgs)
mesmers have no focus, to can be better than any of other classes..
its all cuz of game mechanic, hack&slach, randomless luck/gamble factors..
as a mesmer can u do better role than other classes?

maybe somewhere i am missing somethings.. pls let know..

maybe shatters are op rather than other focuses-as a burst in a sec best class to give highest damage..) but gambeler.. risk/avarage damage = has low effectiveness.. if u do 10 attemts to make full burst of shatter BL.. how many it can be done with full effectivenes while u getting shower.. Or in with calculation does it ll fair to take risk to do that? in blurred frenzy u get pulled with binding blade.. and die.. or 8k-14k damage from retal, chaos armors…

i like to use,
for anti burst as 1vsMany http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsfWlwzip3UzhGb9ICqHgX39dkK4aleYbX4uB-jUAAEDCA-w

or with more hps, tanky http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsfWl4zipXUTlGb9IipH9GyBcnUAdOXJFx2FC-j0wAEDwsXR0Y1lER1A-w

u can go for all pvt, sentinel?..

yess anyway, it doesnt any sense fair to me with Binding Blade.. they should make proper script for BF or Binding Blade..
and Distortation`s skill description F4 doesnt written Invulnerability its writing Evading ?

When i was in Blurred Frenzy stance (evading) pulled from guardian ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjoiI_32ywY

i dont see Counfunding suggestions is a gm trait line,
and anyone using blurred inspciration whats that for ?
cleansing inscription and on master line
and mimic block melle attacks ? :S
anet should balance skills more, better if they familiar with gw1

i am frontline mesmer
i mostly like to play aggressive and competitive,
so i go shatter build, s/t gs with mirror images and signet of illusion in wvw it makes me great mobility high burst and i think is the best effectiveness..

would u choose guardian or mesmer for boon spreading primarly and giving solid damage and other alternatives? ithink guardian is more effective while boon supoorting and overall..
for survivability i think lack of break stuns stability or cond removal, i think eles,thiefs are more mobile, or guardians more survival, u pulled in to the bomb and get cc blink on cd, or stunned what u do, u have veil, portal or feedback or another skill rather preferable than decoy, mantra of concentration, mirror images, or signet of midnight in orginized team, thats why i cant leave ipersona trait, so it doesnt give any selection of builds as well..

Hey Osicat,
For Dmg&Support build, i ve some quiestions,

• if yes why not Debilitating Dissipation instead of iDefans
  *instead of oil why not sharpening stone it decrease your avarage damage, and on sigil, and when u get fury u get less advantage rather than power
  *could it be better sacrifice -%20 cond rather than rune of strength, or how about melandru with some other food ex might on dodge or damage foods?
  *and dont u take shower with full burst on retal buff or on chaos armor
  *and if u ve veil instead of decoy, what u do with cc for being on frontline what u suggest or u have the same problem?

i am lack of experiance with other classes, since i start the game i just play mesmer class, never play pve except to make lvl 80 mesmer to can go wvw ,after i been rank 38 in pvp,
when i experiance to other classes more.. i start to judge mesmers.. just want to know do i miss something that mesmers are more effective than other classes? excatly in wvw and in unoffical gvgs?

i in with ArmageddonAsh, i dont want timewrap on me where i wanna burst.. because of blurred frenzy getting half channeling time, i lost my timing.. as well tw nerfes skilles as blurred frenzy , or other block skills..

yes i in, best reflect is feedback. in wvw (and etheral field, and trigger one of the best buff[Chaos armor vs anti spike]

however i would prefer wall of reflection it has 4 sec more duratioan with same cooldown. and if i prefer fast pull for focus. in versus fights with same number and competitive organised groups.

Anything u think mesmer is better than other classes?

I really couldnt find what are the pros of mesmer in wvw? (except veil, portal, and timewrap)

Hollisterz.1690:

Azo.5860:

HaiL!
My Mesmer : Azolina
Circle of Nine : [CoN]

What is the name of the armor ? and the wings?

tactical and holographic dragon wings..

Menaka.5092:

Azo.5860:

i know how mesmer is various but it lacks of focusing,
…

If your guild doesn’t use veils or portals in GvG I don’t know what to say to you.
GL HF?

Probably u dont understand i mean with focusing..
what are mesmers in role for? what are they pros with compare to other classes?? except being slot (as veil, portal,tw)

i am complaining about mesmer class..

*it doesnt any sense to me what u wanted to tell..

This build is for wvw, solo skirmisher in orginized groups, focus on distortation shatters mainly,
main mantory skills traits weapons
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQFAMlwzbq5QDteEB1DwDA+OSFctSK4tLE-w

optional weapon selections;
-focus with more orginized groups for pulls.
-torch with more untargatted, more damage. i offer it more
-staff more survival, mobility (if i feel more alone i choose staff)
-gs less disconnection over waiting cooldowns, more damage,( if there is more balanced fight i choose gs) i offer more when u feel more comfortable..

stat selections
*i use mix of berserk, knight.. (problem will be conditions)
exp this http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQJAsNlwzbq5QDteEB1DwDA+OSFctSK4tLE-jEzAYrASMAJIIkFgknyaCUQUvgpcTq2FQ/Cpih9GYBAxA-w something as this
more pvt for more survive

*i use blink but if u dont need mobility much,
*instead of blink i choose midnight signet with blurred inscription trait if i feel i have less chance to get out of combat in close limitead areas example while bunkering

u can combo as this; with trait of blurred inscription and another signet

• use phantasm(after it attacks your target dodge 2 = total 3 clones and shatter Distortation
  4sec invul, atack dance slack tunnel to other side etc…
  *use blurred frenzy
  2 sec evade
  *use signet of illusion and signet of midnight together that
  2 sec invul, and shatter distortation refreshed
  *use dodge by the time illusion signet finished, and use mirror images while dodging to clone 3 and shatter distortation
  4sec invul
  *by the time invul finish use staff#2 blink and dodge escape when your health reached %50 distortation ll refreshed
  u ll have a chance min 1 sec inv or max 4 sec invul again
  *use blurred frenzy
  2 sec evade and dodge torch #4 to retreat

u can stand in the middle of 100 blob with 12 to 18 sec. theorically

anyway i like blink more..

food selections
damage foods, i use +200 power on kill %10 critdamage
or omnomberry compote, and %40 endurange reg ,dodge on might with sigil of strenght is i like it
-%40 condition duration, fire salsa :P( probably u hit pleanty of blob before u downed 1 of rally bot can res u)
Lotus stirfry, Seaweed salad, Saffron Bread

might, energy , fire, bloodlust, stamina, strength, force, sigils that i like

early of my gw2 experiance i was training with that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPjCJcC_3n8

after confusion nerfed and blurred frenzy nerfs, anyway i like shatter i am using this build and most of situations its best for me, cuz i like to play more aggressive..

these videos are for guild, personal spec some random individual videos it s lack of editing
*Training With Npc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPjCJcC_3n8
*until gvgs it has uses this build http://youtu.be/53SqKlt9BY8
*First experiment solo :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt2FRyfISgE

cons
- not have support instead of distrupt enemy oranization make them busy..
- if focused on you hard time
- hard to play not for newbei
- need excellent timing 1 sec can get u killed
- some of risky build
- conditions harm u(no self cleanse low HP)

pros
+ it gives great mobility, survival
+ have high bursts spikes
+ anti spikes burst
+ active game play
+ imo effective than most the others builds (in zvz wvw)(after last patch chaos armor, retal pwn u)
+ can be used front line
+ fun to play

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQJARWl4zipHWTlGa9IxZGQ35keo6Uv6SFwNA-jEDBoLBiYAggAhEBK5RZNBSQsypIas6FYKXER1mxK1WyBybATKgHGDA-w
my build as a ranged dps with more surival mobility wvw it works well

-Harmonius Mantras – for more hps with mor and my best friend moc and sync with Mender`s Purity
-Restorative Mantras – great heal output more effective then most traits

-iPersona – best trait, anyway it doesnt spend any slot
-Illusionary Invigoration – Excatly for distortation
-Deceptive evasion – and other best trait..

i like to play this build with group of ~6 as a ranged canon
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgEQJAWRl4zyoHTTlGb9IypCQHpHmWqtalegbXosB-jUzAYrARQQIRBK5psmAFErcFRjVvgpORVuI6XINMgKG2bkVpAeYMA-w
this build is work better with if u partying with thief or another shatter mesmer..
some suggestions, all go zerk items sux! at least change head chest legging to uncritdamage stats
MoR great heal self much more hps than ether feast and sync with more armor and menders pury
MoD optional.. i like it as in gw1 nice spike with halting
*if i change staff to sword & focus i swap some traits
MoC glass canons best friend imo
dueling 30 optional i change to insp 20 harmanous mantras and MoD to MoP with sword focus.
if u hardly to escape staff
items i already have thats why i use them
other food i like might on dodge %40 endurance rate
other optional sigils swap on endurance and endurance on kill
and use duel I blink and swao duel I to another trait and blink again to be more mobile

Menaka.5092:

Veilbot! (somewhat joking)

But take a look at your traits and consider how flexible our profession is!

We can be tanky and go with the melees, or we can be a bit more squishy and stay far from the heavy damage.

We have the most powerful tactical tools in the game: veil and portal (and mass invisibility).

We have powerful buff/debuff capabilities (think about timewarp and signet of inspiration or null field and boon removing from gs/sword and traited shatters) and some support (healing mantras and healing/cond removing shatters)…

What does your team need? Build accordingly

i know how mesmer is various but it lacks of focusing,

• if u want healer take ele, with mantras (i love, fan of mantras) u lack apm(action per minute)
  example: compare with ele and mesmer with both 300 healing powers; with my personal calculation; (mesmer combo MoP MoR MoP)
  mesmer do %113 more hps(healing per second) than ele
  if both has 1300 healing powers mesmer do %62 more hps
  however ele has %230more apm than mesmer
  so: effectiveness(Hpm[heal per min)/apm[action per minute])
  200 healing power mesmer %50 less effectiveness then 300 healing power ele
  1300 healing power mesmer %103 less effectiveness then 1300 healing power ele
  +mesmer have lack of stability and gvg has pleanty cc

**if u want shatter burster retalation pwn u(however it seems best selection for me)

• if u want tanky go guardian or war why mesmer
• or u want ranger heavy damager imo eles ll be more effective(best izerker low hp)
• if u want conditions imo necros better or(staff imo just good for bombing condition spreading)
• mesmer just unique with veil, portal, what u need mesmer for ?
  -portals: are rarly usage in gvg lack of slot
  -feedback: it lack of slot, gvg has not much projectiles (if u active blind is oke but other classes are more effective with blind spam)(confusions[lack of trait] cuz no valuable damage[if want spread use izerker iwarden to splash confusion] focus trait would better choice slot>trait imo
  -nullfield: works as wells gvg has more buffs conditions spam its effectiveness decrease than wvw imo wells are better corruption + give damage or power + give stability(best boon)
  -veils: always anywhere it works but in gvg u cant ambush others, if u concentrate veil doesnt give much property unless u cant target enemy
  - mass inv: how can u choose it rather than timewrap?
  -interrupts: there are much stability
  -glamours: best for chaos armor(for anti spikes burst) but it doesnt stack with other fields

dunno how mesmers can be used more effectively in gvg? except portal and veil what mesmer are for in gvgs?

i ve just added my personal video on share, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53SqKlt9BY8&feature=youtu.be

in 25vs25
imo, glamour confusion builds useless, cuz of confusion nerf
before blurred frenzy nerfed shatter burst power builds i think best. however, now..

*shatters, blurred frenzy u get big retal damage and because of chaos amor on foe u can get 12 confusion stack on u.. exp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yecRyBzCbW0
*on timewraps use of blurred frenzy(it shorter your channeling half that) get u lost timing to escape and get cc and big damage in bombs..
*mesmers squishy, dont have much break stuns.u need veil,blink,glamours mostly so..
*gvg combats much boons, clearense, stability, cc, small land, just 5pp partying, mesmer sound sux to me, if u want heal damage boons clearence condition damage(fire, confusion,beed) or cc or conditions cc (blind,weakness, poi, criplle..) its not the class u should choose.. what are mesmers for then?

the way i used to play and next day after blurred frenzy nerfed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqgYS5C9vKk

Nice topic Lowenhigh, yes i ve the same and more questions..
Discussions with organized balanced teams (GvG) 10,15,20,25.. vs same
*with wvw rules(Hearth of Mist lacks stats items,variation imo,)
*borderlands south camps(most unoffical gvg side, small area and npc,butthead boars sux, spectators lagging and decrease fps)

Mesmers in gvg what for.. why.. how.. example:
*Role(Dps-striker[ranged, burst ,spike ,condition],Support[boons, heal, cc-crowd controler],Tank,Bunker
*Effectiveness compare with other classes (except veil and portal [being skill slot instead of class]

Simply question is how mesmers can be more effective in gvg?

Baa.4582:

Azo.5860:

yeah so its not bug.. however it doesnt make me any sense it should be on regular timing on all classes with defensive skills..
i put the video of what i mean how i get those confusion stacks..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yecRyBzCbW0
and it seems whadda big nerf on blurred frenzy..

The video is private.

u can open with that link now

sorry if i miss any topic with that.. i am new to forums..
what i mean as gvg.. we still dont have any offical place for gvg(as in gw1, with the name of guildwars 2 :P), no ranks, no spec as in pvp area or aftermatch spec video as in gw1, no various detailed selection as in wvw, in hearth of mist.. we just banished to do our gvgs on south camps :P with gvg on south camp,
we messing wvw,
if player on queue wait him and delay gvg start
no spectators as in pvp
no ranks
cant all in 1 team or not more than 5 teams,
warthogs are attacking during gvg
limited close area..
… it goes….

anyway example: 25vs25 or 20vs20 in wvw what builds u suggests.. and why.. thanks..

yeah so its not bug.. however it doesnt make me any sense it should be on regular timing on all classes with defensive skills..
i put the video of what i mean how i get those confusion stacks..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yecRyBzCbW0
and it seems whadda big nerf on blurred frenzy..

*using blurred frenzy on time wraps, makes blurr(evade) effect makes it half instead of 2.30 sec i noticed it on my gvg videos it sux because i used to use my escape route with its regular time 1 sec gets u cc.. blurr evade should be categorized as boon ? so its getting nerf on timewraps because of blurred frenzy channel gets faster on tw..
*i saw i got probably script error on confusion stack on me while using shatters as prepatchs eles attinute script problem.. does it approved ?

HaiL!
My Mesmer : Azolina
Circle of Nine : [CoN]