Guild Wars 2

Alert: constructive, somewhat long and sad post:

Since you ask for constructive:

- Slow down the game, a lot, there is a reason why fps games have only 3 or 4 buttons, grenades, shoot, change to pistol, etc. they are fast, since they are fast you cant really put too much thought in what are u going to do, the thought there is in flanking so u can catch the enemy and knowing the map helps a lot, but that’s it. This is an MMO with or should have team game, with supportive builds and stuff, u can’t really have this speed, because in the end, what people do is pre-set rotations of skills.

- Put way way way more cooldown to every skill from 3 to 5, and made it so that this skills are for more damage, aoe, cc, supportive skills, boons or conditions. Honestly, i would like to see energy management also.

- Make conditions and boons a lot stronger, make it so that they are only availabe in utilities, elites or skills 3 to 5. The same with condition cleanse and boon removal.

- This game need also animations related with the enemy skill being used, some are really good, like the greatsword of the warrior 2, but with asuras and necros, for example, it’s hard to see what the hell is going on. Cast bars won’t be a bad idea, i know you hate them.

- Evade is cool, but it’s being used too much, the regen is too good, and there is too many sigils, boon, traits, that give more evade. Evade is to evade those 3 to 5 skills or utilities or elites, not to evade every 4 seconds.

- Allow for trully supportive specs, i know you hate the trinity (you have something called the guardian and ele, so you still have a trinity, a nerfed healer and tank, but still a healer and tank). Since u hate trinity, i can think of supportive specs: cc, condition cc, boons, condi cleansing, boon removing.

And now the sad part, we know this won’t happen, at the rate they are doing changes it will take 10 years or more. And i don’t blame you, you are tying to make money not lose it, and the pve is making money so gw2 is a success. I just ask that u stop putting money into stupid things like PAX, just add more gamemodes, maybe someone will play the game. It will never be an esport, but still with more gamemodes it will be more played, well maybe, and since there is no way to fix the spvp of this game short of remaking it, it’s the only thing u can do.

SOTG did a nice job as a hypezports show, it was also the best trolling show ever, with devs talking about things and then doing another thing in the patches next week.
If u can do the same, i will probably watch it, and then laugh at the patch notes .

So… cast bars ? That or rework half of the animations of the game, i think cast bars are cheaper .

The only way i can see anything like this working is a voting system, if ur own team votes u, u get a “U can’t play for an hour” or something like that. Even then i don’t think it will work much…

Fun fact, if they implement an anti-AFK system that punishes you for not doing anything for 2 minutes, people will do nothing for 1 minute and a half, tab to the game, move an inch, and back to the forums .

You can’t force people to play a match, well you can, with really harsh kitten, like if u get reported for not playing u cant play in a month, but u really want that, in a game ? :P

Just let the team surrender (and then u will see people complaining that they can’t stomp the enemy team since they surrendered ).

They will give more condis to mesmer and ele, so we will have a trololol aoe-condi-spam spec with mesmer and ele and they will be viable* again. And maybe some procs spec, where all is pasive and u just spam button 1 because it procs a lot of cool things.

*viable in gw2 spvp means overpowered .

Let’s be realistic. Sure u can make gw2 spvp nice and watchable, sure u can make it a lot less spammy and reduce a lot the pace of the game so it can be watched.
You only need to change and rebalance 70 or more % of skills and traits….
Obviously isn’t gonna happen, they won’t do all that just to have a shot and maybe have an esport game.

This guy should stop playing, wait for gw3, enter the beta, try to make it less spaming and play.
Right know the game requires a redesign of 90% of skills, utilities and traits to stop the aoe-condi-spam madness, it’s not gonna happen, and even if they start changing things now at this pace it will take 10 years, more or less.

Hahaha 5 necros, xD half the players.
I should have take a screenshot about a game I played some days ago, 4 necros, 2 ranger (spirit of course ), 2 guardians and 2 warriors (i’m guilty here, stun lock warrior user :P ).

In Europe the team leadeboards goes to more or less 98% and then u enter the 1000 leaderboards. With some math: (100/2)*1000 → 50.000.
In NA I don’t know so well, but let’s say it’s another 40.000 (let’s be optimistic, and say 100.000 with the 2).
Let’s say that half of players that bought gw2 still play, 1.5 million players.
Roughly 6.6%. Of course i’m just guessing here, and maybe half or more of those players in the team leaderboards aren’t playing anymore. But I don’t think it’s much more or less than 6.6%. Indeed i would bet for 5%.

That’s why i laugh hard when anyone says esport refering to gw2, i’m still amazed that arena.net paid from his own pocket a “professional” tourmanet (prize 10.000 for 5 members… 2000 per player, they will be rich like hell).
Also they seem to balance a lot for spvp when it isn’t played, forgetting pve and wvw that have the huge bulk of players. As a bussiness, they seem to make stupid decisions for the esport dreams (it isn’t as weird as you will think, banks also did really stupid things, granted it’s not the same because banks are run by bankers and bankers, as yes minister and yes prime minister shows, don’t know anything, but still).

CaakEE.7109:

yeah played tpvp games today, 11 with leavers or afks.

wont play tpvp again til they fix that.

You could wait several years .

Drama wars 2 , amazing. I think that gw2 has more future as a drama series than as an ezport, u should do some pilot episode featuring Xeph the star (Episode 1 – Dreams Shattered).
You will probable get a lot more viewers than with this aoe spam festival xD .
Now i can’t stop laughing … and i need to work now… Dam you all.

It’s a bit too much. U can even appear to be syncing without even trying, just by queueing after the match ends.
And even if Arena.net fixes the algorithm and it’s more random (because right now if u queue with a close rating friend u will most likely get in the same roster), solo leaderboards will still be a joke. After all it’s a team game.
And now what will happen with the team queue, 20 minutes queue’s again ?

And why it’s so important the competitive thing, because the game is awesome, or it isn’t ?

Neno.8694:

Team Arena will now become like the old “Paid Tourneys” only popping regularly during prime hours :P

I agree, but now the game isn’t new and shiny, i don’t think much people will queue for 15 or 20 minutes just to play.

And what you thought this solo queue would be, some kind of revolution that will make gw2 spvp awesome ? It’s still the same game. It’s a freaking team game, solo queue will always be a joke, competitive comes with teams vs teams.
And wait and see what happens now with the team queue, thanks to this split.

And, why the hell are leaderboards so hugely important ? We both know, don’t we ? Gw2 spvp it’s not that good, it has never been that good, and it doesn’t have the huge potential. We are just trying to fool ourselvers, no man, the issue here is solo queue, with it it will be awesome, sure, sure.

Either this game gets fixed so it’s enjoyable by a large amount of players (and that most likely means redesign most of the game and even the no-healers) or we will be here fooling ourselves with the next thing that will make the game awesome and release the huge potential (what now, we have arenas, spectator and solo, and still the game is bad, so what ? Oh now we dont have a real solo queue, sure sure, when that gets fixed it will be awesome!! ).

Ostricheggs.3742:

http://www.twitch.tv/ostricheggs/b/441984744

I dunno, I’ve been getting some pretty rough groups and going against some pretty good players. That vod is pretty good evidence…

The first game is a … 2 vs 0 ? xD

I play in Europe at peak – close peak times and it can be done (tried it with a friend), also i’m pretty sure some games i played with people sync, of course, nothing for sure.
What i mean, there is a lot of paranoia and not all the sync is really there, but be sure, it can be done, and since it can be done and people take pride and ego from the leaderboards, some sure do it.
Who ? well, it’s hard to tell, you only have guessing and human judgement, that’s all.

Tried it with a friend, it works most times, even in peak hours.
So i don’t think it’s speculation.

And if u remember, it happened before too. I remember playing with the same guy 3 times in a row without even trying, just by queueing at the same time the match ends.

I recommend mass hypnosis to extend the playerbase.

Well if the playerbase is as small as it seems to be, if u join at the same time than ur friend, most likely u will get in the same roster, even if you can’t see it.
How can you fix this ? Well, u can’t, unless u put silly things like: wait 1 minute to assign this dude to a roster.

You make it sound like this solo person will be wining something :P.
I think its a nonproblem, well it is for the 4 people that want to queue together, they will need to find someone, but who will be crazy enough to join solo in the team queue ?
I will probably try it, just for the lols of trying it and to see how long it will take to find a match .

The thing is if the game was funny enough and engaging, esport wouldn’t be an issue. You would play because you enjoy playing it (for example, i love the etrian odissey saga, and i don’t think anyone is crazy enough to make a tournament of etrian odissey).
But with gw2 spvp, we need this ezport thing, people (till now only arena.net and ezport believers) throwing money and time to the best teams for almost nothing (2k viewers watching one advertise doesn’t pay a lot).

If u want to continue with this, i suggest for all the comunity to start donate money like crazy so we can have more tournaments (i will keep my money because i’m evil, but you should donate, a lot).

saVdoom.2067:

Next time we might as well remove the players and let the AI spirits do the job.

Spirit of Nature for MVP in all matches obviously…

GGs peeps!

Yeah, it was pretty funny.
Those dudes should go to the finals with 2 spirit rangers, 2 necros and a guardian, just for the lols .

Not much marketing was done, but be sure that almost everyone half-interested in gw2 esports knew this tournament was going on.
The thing here is the tournament, the prices, the hotel, the place, etc. is paid by Arena.net. I’m still amazed of how the pvp developers managed to fool their boss to do this thing. And it’s not only today, the last european finals had 3k.
We want Arena.net to also provide marketing, well sure, but fooling the boss for that will be hard as hell.

PVP developers, dudes, here is a hard truth, there is no short way to be an esport (atleast one that manages to get more than 4k people in a stream), either you fix the game and make it more enjoyable for the rest of gw2 playerbase (and most likely this includes toning down a lot the damage, the fast pace and the aoe-condi-spam) and manage to get a HUGE playerbase or the game will remain as a death-niche for competitive weirdos dreaming with the almost coming esport.
I know, that means redesign most of gw2 spvp, and only god knows how much money and time will cost, but throwing the investors money to the competitive weirdos won’t solve anything.
Right know the roof of spvp is supported by a thin pillar, getting more and more unstable every day.

Just joined, i loled hard with the 2 spirit rangers xDD
Competitive gw2 spvp is really funny, not the games of course, they are stupid, but the comps of the teams, hhaahaa.
Plus necro and thief, most likely sword/dagger. Hahaa, man I want them to win. hahah

They already said that solo is solo (period), and also, that the roster in solo will be hidden.
If u want to play with a friend, 2 options, queue at the same time and pray u get in the same roster (since it’s hidden u won’t know till the begining of the match, but the playerbase is so low that u have a good chance).
Queue in the team-premade queue, and expect larger queue’s time and you will probably end up against a full team with voice and balanced roster (balanced meaning using the overpowered spec/classes). By the way, do not queue with 4 in the team queue xD, unless u have a lot of free time.

The Boz.2038:

Aza.2105:

Hopefully solo Q feels more like RA from gw1.

Oh, god, please, not this. Anything but this. I want games to not be decided before they start. “Oh, they have a monk/ritualist. We don’t. Oh well…”

Oh, they have guardian and we don’t. Oh well…
:)
Have u tried to win a teamfight without a guardian ? I think I won one, a long time ago, so it’s theoretically possible to do, i guess.

Romek.4201:

- dont play overpowered specs cause ppl say in forum they are overpowered – when you fail on this classes you make your enemyteam overpowered^^

That’s right, make sure they are played in top teams first .

- Be ready with 2 or 3 diferent classes with the overpowered specs (for example, guardian bunker-support, necro condi-terror, ranger spirits…).
- Balance the team in the preparing phase, change to the overpowered spec/class needed, so the team is balanced and has as much condis and overpowered specs as possible.
- Start spamming ur overpowered skills that do aoe condi, or do damage and evade, or give boons and cleanse condis at the same time.
-Profit.

Zinwrath.2049:

why has no one from arenanet gave a clear response of whether there will be the option of quing up for a duo in solo que the way league of legends allows? I just find it odd that they don’t ever comment about it yet I see people asking everywhere.

They already said that solo is solo (period), and also, that the roster in solo will be hidden.
If u want to play with a friend, 2 options, queue at the same time and pray u get in the same roster (since it’s hidden u won’t know till the begining of the match, but the playerbase is so low that u have a good chance).
Queue in the team-premade queue, and expect larger queue’s time and you will probably end up against a full team with voice and balanced roster (balanced meaning using the overpowered spec/classes). By the way, do not queue with 4 in the team queue xD, unless u have a lot of free time.

garethh.3518:

Baldric.6781:

This split is good, well good, it was the only thing they could do, and solo queue is way way more important than this queue team-competitive. Sure it will make teamqueue a nightmare and we will see the end of a lot of average/bad teams, but the teamqueue was there for the bright future of the ezport, and since there is no future, who cares for teamqueue.

So your basically saying.. ‘kitten anyone who takes this game seriously or has more than 1 friend they want to play with’…

That sort of deal will kill GW2 within the year.
(not that I haven’t been calling it for the last 5~ months, that Anet kittens up hard enough to drive everyone away within the year)

Yes, that’s it.
The best tournament right now had 3k viewers tops and is paid by Arena.net, other tournaments were paid by donations of true believers in the ezport. The fact that no sane corporation is willing to give any significant amount of money and the fact that almost none that bought gw2 watches or plays spvp should be enough for everyone to see that anyone taking this game seriously is failing (just failing, atleast the time that they are playing they aren’t using crystal blue persuasion).

In time they will add duo queue in solo queue, probably, and i don’t think that this will kill the pvp of gw2, it will just kill the remains of ezport hope. They were trying to build the house from the roof, of course it didn’t work…

kirito.4138:

Hope the new solo-queue system won’t increase team queue too much. I play both and currently it still takes a while for a match.

It will probably increase the teamqueue time, a lot.
The solo will be slightly increased.
Of course it’s just a guess using human judgement and my experience queueing, since they don’t show any numbers.

If u play with a friend, queue at solo queue at the same time, the playerbase is so small that u have a good chance to play with ur friend.

This split is good, well good, it was the only thing they could do, and solo queue is way way more important than this queue team-competitive. Sure it will make teamqueue a nightmare and we will see the end of a lot of average/bad teams, but the teamqueue was there for the bright future of the ezport, and since there is no future, who cares for teamqueue.

Are u sure u have enough playerbase for that ?
What will happen to team-queue . It will be funny to see a ton of average teams vanish when that is implemented.
Not that it shouldn’t be implemented, honestly, whatever you do it’s bad, but hey, atleast that way u will have soloers happy, and since spvp esport future is laugable, atleast soloers will enjoy the remains.

They can’t reduce AOE, it’s gw2 core.
If they tone down AOE, they need to rebalance 80% of the game, if not more.

So, they are screwed, tone down AOE is bad because then u will need to rebalance most of the game, not tone down AOE is also bad, because games become AOE spam festivals. Im happy that i dont need to make that decision.

Their ambitions are wrong, watch a tournament. The game is too fast and there is too much movement and skills used per second to know what the hell is going on, even the casters miss 70% of the action.
But that’s not the worst, the worst is that it’s not even played by a lot of people, which is required to be an esport. They don’t even have the base to push anything.

I don’t understand why they are throwing the investors money at tournaments and stuff like that. There is no way that tournament is going to make anyone buy the game or atleast start watching tournaments.

In balance and in new content, WvW and PvE should be the focus, since it’s what is to some extent a success. Spvp should live with the scraps and the remains.

As an investor, i’m worried about this spvp balancing. It’s a death side of the game that generates almost 0 income and it’s only played by weirdos that believe in the bright future of the ezport.
I would like to see balance for pve and WvW, mainly focused on that.
The company it’s not yours to throw away the investor’s money!! No matter how much you love spvp, the customers don’t and you have a work thanks to them!

Yea, probably even before the sun gets too big and eats Earth.
Just stay healthy for the next 1 billion years .

Even if they release cosmetic kitten it won’t do much, the playerbase is so low that it doesn’t matter.
Pve stuff can be sold to 90% of the players, pvp only to 10%, and that’s being generous.

If you give a date you can lie or fail. If u don’t give a date you can’t lie or fail, the new feature will be there, u will just probably die before of normal human aging so u won’t see it, but it will be here .

A good old, “this game has amazing potential”.
No, it doesn’t, the combat is an AOE condi spam chaotic festival. There is only one way to solve the problem, redesign 75% of the game, ie, make a new pvp GW2. Obviously, it’s not gonna happen.
Spvp will slowly die (it’s hard to lose a lot of people quickly when the playerbase is so small, what remains, are true believers, people that invested too much time to give up easily, like the people that invested in real state during the bubble).

But, gw2 is a success, they are making money from the pve side and wvw is still played. Spvp is just a waste of time and money, they still have a skeleton crew working on it because it’s bad for bussiness if people knows that u completely forgotten 1/3 of ur game.

But carry on with ur dreams of esport grandieu, the time u are here atleast u won’t be using drugs so it’s all good.

aoe and condis will rule deathmatch the same way it does with with conquest, unless it’s something like 2 vs 2. Deathmatch cant make up for a poorly design aoe and condition, sorry.

Funny thing is he will try solo tourney’s, he will get a nice 10 loses 1 win, with lots of condimancers and engies, plus the usual mesmer.
Some games will be 4 vs 5 too.
He will stop and go wvw again (i recommend u try roaming in wvw, it’s a way better pvp experience than spvp tournies).

Best troll map ever made by Arena.net.
They should make a tourny with this map and lots of prizes just to troll pros.

RNG is cool, ask the engis!!
Free RNG skill for every class.

Watch the SOTG of the month and then watch the notes of the next month. It’s hilarious.

Esport hype can do a lot, and indeed did, u had 4 k viewers watching a chaotic aoe particle spam festival, with prizes donated by these same people. That’s huge, normally u need to pay to the people to watch something like that.
But esport hype can’t make a game successfull, so gw2 spvp is screwed .

If they have half a brain, and i’m sure they have, they will leave a skeleton development team, half of it’s job will be to generate esport hype. That way they can say they are still improving the game and put some videos about how cool gw2 spvp is, and how huge it will be.

The money is in the pve side, i find it even worst than the pvp, but somehow its a success, so good for them.

Gw2 sold millions of copies, that doesn’t mean all of them play the game now, and that all of them play spvp.
The only people that have the real numbers are Arena.net and they don’t release them, so we must use human judgement.

Go to the Hearts of the Mists some time, and then go to some dungeon or wvw, and then u will see how low the playerbase is.
Be sure to check the wvw zergs, and the zerg of the COF dungeon .

Treeline.3865:

This discussion is kind of derailed. I agree that it would be AWESOME to have both soloqueue and premade queue – But it also requires a lot of players to support – Surely you have tried queues taking several minutes to find a match. If you split it into 2 queues you could double these waiting times. Furthermore you would have to take partly premades into account. Do you simply ignore that people might want to enter 2, 3 or 4 people together? Force them to either split up and play alone or force them to pug their way to a premade team?

You are indeed probably right.
If spvp queues issue is playerbase, and since matchmaking isn’t rocket technology, i’m pretty sure that this isn’t a bug, and it’s low playerbase.
How can you solve those players who get 11 consecutive loses, well, u can’t, spliting the queues will only make things worse, and not spliting them is also bad.
That’s why i think the best course is not to play unless i’m in a team, this means a lot of average players will stop playing (getting 5 people with same times, compatible characters and everything is hard) and will destroy any eSports hope that still remains (calling eSport a game that isn’t even a success, i’m just talking about the spvp part, doesn’t pass the laugh test).

Best thing we can do as solo queuers is play something else.
For the past 2 days, i achieved 11 loses and 1 win, most of the loses where 500-100 or so, i even remember 2 games where the other team asked for forgiveness for crushing us so hard. I actually enjoyed only 2 games, 2 of 12.
Also the queues are now of 4 or 5 minutes.

Longer queues and ridiculous matches.
I don’t know if it’s a bug or it’s just the playerbase, but if it’s the playerbase, god help gw2 spvp, because only a miracle will save it.

The thing, is prepatch, that was my skill level. I solo play, mostly, it’s not that i have not played enough, so the system doesn’t know where i belong, i’m rank 38, be sure, i played enough.
And it’s not that i don’t know the basics, in every tourny i focused the necro, it’s just that i couldn’t cleanse my condis fast enough to do much.