Guild Wars 2

Liquid.9672:

How many bags do you all think dropped at BGBL Garri tonight? 6 figures?

I had to empty my bags quite a few times, but I don’t have all slots unlocked, so I’m not entirely sure. I’m sure plenty of you guys got full as well.
If we go by numbers of enemies killed, I know that we on SoR had quite a few people max out the WvW achievements in a single one of those rounds, and you guys probably had a bunch as well, so maybe 6 figures isn’t too far off.

I can’t speak for other maps, but I think we definitely made the best of a laggy situation in BGBL.

I’ve lost track how many times we’ve had a three-way in BGBL Garrison, but it’s been awesome. Mad props to AoI and HzH for firing on all cylinders.
Only issue is, it’s causing a major melt-down of the servers… you can feel the skill lag across the map. In any case, I hope the fights remain this good for a long time.

MagiKarp.8201:

Must be fun EU capping everything then gloating how much better you are than everyone else from atop your T3 fortifications?

Lest we forget, Blackgate never ever did this back when we were in Tier 2.

Just calm down for a bit. You won for two weeks. We haven’t even won one yet. I mean, as I recall, BG got their first medal by pushing hard at the end of the week. Plus there’s new content distracting people, and our morale is really high.
And even if you’re right, and SoR is suddenly some super around-the-clock server, things will hardly be different from how it was a month ago with JQ at the top winning by a bunch. As far as I can tell, neither BG nor JQ are actively disintegrating apart ala HoD or whatever (which would actually ruin T1), so we’ll see what the coming weeks hold in store.

Hoots.9564:

Its been a great week for TW, all the guilds that used to come into SoR to fight us have now stopped. So in an effort to find fights we are now jumping BL to BL hunting zergs.

Are you finding fights? Choo’s having the issue where by the time we actually get to an objective under fire, whoever it was has already moved on (without capping). It makes us run around the map like chickens without heads. It’s a really frustrating tactic; yesterday in BGBL we must’ve gone to like 6 different places before we actually met the big Blackgate group at North Camp.

Israel.7056:

What I have noticed is that player turnout for any server always seems highest when their server is winning and lowest when their server is losing. Anecdotal evidence I know but perhaps others have noticed the same thing.

If that’s the case, you all should fear the day SoR gets #1! =P

I for one welcome our new trap overlords, especially since Choo never has supply anyway. =P

pot.6805:

Pvp.2758:

pot.6805:

Score update 9pm EST NA Prime.

Gotta love that EU coverage that gets everything upgraded for your NA

You sound quite bitter. You have Brazilian coverage from LUN, where have they been at?

I’m from Brazil, so I just wanted to chime in and say that we aren’t really that far ahead time-wise when compared to the Eastern U.S. Maybe during the “Northern Winter” since when you fall back, we spring forward, but even then, there’s a substantial overlap.

cyyrix.6105:

Wow. I just made that post as a joke. I’m seriously impressed that you wordsmithed yourself into actually believing those things.

Really?
In that case, I may need to attune my e-joke detector by repositioning the aetheric humor matix. You know, the one below fluxometric impulse capacitor.
I need an Asura! Someone get CuddleStrike!

DKNS.2135:

BG -> 2 Major guilds (MERC, ND) and AoI (a combination of small guids)
SoR -> 2 Major guilds (TSym, AFS) and OCX (PvX guild)

So what difference does it make ??

And in the same way that you say that you help other guilds transferring by running dungeons to help some members to come, every other server does the same as well. So basically, BG has done nothing different from the almighty SoR and yet he have to take kitten from your forum warriors week after week. KN choosing us was totally from their side and it would probably have to do with the excellent relations BG had with TC & KN.

If BG also does not buy guilds, I think that’s great for you guys. I personally don’t think BG has done anything wrong, and I welcome the challenge of new opponents. All I can say is that Blackgate received large numbers of players all at once, and that can be perceived differently.
I agree that the trolling, flame-baiting and kitten-talking in here is excessive. However, you have to keep things in context as well; us over at SoR had to sustain 8 long weeks of Blackgate’s forum tormenting in Tier 2 simply because we didn’t have the numbers during non-NA hours to compete with you. That left several people with a bone to pick with Blackgate. And Blackgate hasn’t stopped either; look at Vodka’s recent posting history, or at Killtrox’s tirade over the last two pages. If others came in here looking to transfer, do you think they would be much more impressed with Blackgate? Nobody can control how other servers perceive their own because no one can control all of the people.
Forums will be forums, that’s just how it is. I don’t think forum warriors are representative of their community, and I think it would be rather ignorant of any person to assume so. I urge you to ignore their claims; I stopped taking certain BG posters seriously some time ago, and my forum experience has improved.

DKNS.2135:

cyyrix.6105:

Whoa whoa whoa. SoR complaining about transfers to other servers but not their own? Please stop the accusations! Everyone knows that the transfers to JQ and BG are all bandwagoners but those to SoR are “building the server right”. You can’t even compare.

Besides, SoR never buys guilds like other servers. That gold that was put together to help their new servermates transfer? Those were just “donations”. Completely different thing!

I know right?

As someone from SoR said a few weeks back,
SoS guilds to BG -> Bandwaggoners
SoS guilds to SoR -> True WvW guilds of SoS

If you ask any sensible SoR member, everyone will agree that we have gotten transfers, and we’re quite thankful for it. All of our friends in TSYM, AFS, HIRE and so on (I can’t recall everyone off the top of my head, I’m sorry! ) are valued members of our community and WvW strategy. I think the idea of bandwagoning simply comes from the volume of transfers; when SoS disbanded, Blackgate got what was perceived to be a much larger influx of guilds than SoR, hence the “stacking” accusations and whatnot. You cannot deny that your WvW capacity spiked as a result. Similarly with Kaineng, Blackgate received multiple guilds in one go, while SoR has received a number of guilds over the last few weeks in a more spread out manner. The difference is simply whether your WvW population increases in spikes, or incrementally.

As far as SoR donating gold: I listen in to our weekly WvW strategy meetings on TS, and the one thing that gets repeated and stressed every week is that we will not offer gold to other guilds. Should they choose to come over, we will be glad to run dungeons and help other guilds farm for gold, and I’m pretty sure we would also have folks who simply donated gold. However, I think that on principle, this is different from “buying” guilds. I’m sure we can accommodate transferring the last remaining members or whatnot, but we wouldn’t simply say “we’ll give you X gold to transfer,” nor would we meet demands of that nature. Our belief is that you should come to SoR because you want to be here, and if you aren’t willing to put in the time (to acquire gold) to immigrate over, then I’m not so sure how strong your commitment is.

Kript.3291:

Balefire.7592:

Kript.3291:

let us assume that KN guilds are moving to SoR and BG…

SoR: continues to be the king of NA primetime

BG: Better coverage than they have now, perhaps the new guild wills boost the morale a bit? (‘Hey we have War Machine on our side!!!!’)

JQ: Its asian/oceanic advantage being challenged, if WM decides to move to either SoR or BG, and its NA continue to underperform in comparison to SoR.

i don’t think the future looks bright for Jade Quarry

I don’t think so. Jade Quarry’s had the longest run in Tier 1 of any NA server, and I’m sure they have population reserves we haven’t yet seen. They have been excellent opponents during our time together. I think it foolish to underestimate the sleeping giant.

sleeping giant? lol

JQ is more like a paper tiger, a server being carried solely by its Asian/oceanic population.

Why it is so hard for you JQers to admit that you guys’ NA crews just can’t compete with SoR, both in terms of size and organization? (or in simpler term, they just suck)

Admit your weakness and work hard on it, stop using lame excuses like ‘oh we just don’t really have to try very hard because we have tons of Chinese helping us pvdoor when other 2 servers are sleeping’

If you were trying to bait me or upset in some way, I’m afraid you’ve failed, as I am not only from SoR, I am part of our esteemed NA crew. The only reason I took my guild tag off is because I didn’t want to accidentally end up misrepresenting the community I am a part of in a fit of rage. You can check my posting history if you want.

When I say sleeping giant, I don’t mean that JQ is secretly infinitely more powerful. What I mean is that they apparently have a large percentage of population that is willing to WvW, and I believe that they may have reserves they haven’t really drawn on yet. But I could be wrong; they may very well not have anymore folks than what we see daily. In either case, I think it unfair to count them out preemptively on the basis of speculation. As much as I love killing them, they are respectable opponents.

Kript.3291:

let us assume that KN guilds are moving to SoR and BG…

SoR: continues to be the king of NA primetime

BG: Better coverage than they have now, perhaps the new guild wills boost the morale a bit? (‘Hey we have War Machine on our side!!!!’)

JQ: Its asian/oceanic advantage being challenged, if WM decides to move to either SoR or BG, and its NA continue to underperform in comparison to SoR.

i don’t think the future looks bright for Jade Quarry

I don’t think so. Jade Quarry’s had the longest run in Tier 1 of any NA server, and I’m sure they have population reserves we haven’t yet seen. They have been excellent opponents during our time together. I think it foolish to underestimate the sleeping giant.

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

If TC had t1 coverage, I bet TC and BG would work together against JQ because we are pretty much infatuated with each other. I can tell you if BG were to move down and TC move up, your problem is only going to get worse because most of TC still hates SoR and I include myself in that group. I know I would take a third place week after week just to see how low I could keep SoR’s score.

Maybe it’s just me, but I recall the time TC and SoR spent together in T2, especially while Blackgate was still around, as having been pretty good. As Howl the Brazen would have said, “Best fight in weeks.” =/

Liquid.9672:

We can zerg if we want to, we can leave your friends behind. Cause your friends don’t zerg and if they don’t zerg well they’re, no friends of mine.

You can zerg; You can zerg! Everybody look at the herd.

CuddleStrike.8215:

SFShinigami.2015:

CuddleStrike.8215:

Score Update for those of you interested!

Also, on a complete side note about this “everyone but NA leaves blah blah blah”, which has everyone quite annoyed sounding…. may I also just add that not all NA players are able to play during “NA Prime Times”. I see many late night owls around during oceanic time zone.
Also, I’m aussie…which would mean no cute asura updates if this silly idea came to fruit as it were!

Farewell my fellow WvWers!

LOVE the tiny Asura!

Whenever someone claims BG is going to move down a tier, my first thought are that we’re going to lose the Asura Update Service [AUS].

Much love to you! But there are always others :P You’d miss Fiesty too! They are BG :P

Nooooooooo! Who would ever replace the [AUS] (or Feisty)?!
These threads are already lame; we some good in here!

My guild has had several discussions regarding the role of the Necromancer in large, organized group play in WvW (I differentiate this from a zerg in the sense that zergs are not necessarily organized). Perhaps it might be better to think of it in a GvG scenario, but I digress.

Necromancers are the “tanky” caster in the sense that they can take a lot more damage than Eles and Mesmers and live to tell about it. And they don’t even need to spec for it necessarily; good use of Deathshroud, and timing your cleanses and transfers will get you pretty far.
Moreover, many of our skills and traits provide huge benefits to the front line. For example, if we were to only consider wells, we could possibly grant AoE protection, AoE conditions stripping, AoE boon corrupting, AoE healing, AoE blinding, and light and dark fields. We also have Plague, and PBAoE vulnerability.

On the other hand, Necros have very few escape mechanisms, and, in the thick of things, you might get blasted down pretty quick. Also, if we look at most of the benefits outlined above, several of them can achieved at range with only minor losses in effectiveness. Most of our AoE can be fired off at range, and our hardest hitting attack (Life Blast) is ranged and can be traited to pierce. I also personally also find it a lot easier to make good use of Epidemic, arguably our best WvW skill, at a distance, because I’m not screwing around in the killzone and can be more selective with my targets.

As a guild, we have a fairly good idea of what we’re doing now, and we have designed several Necro builds for large group play. However, I’m interested in knowing where the community thinks the Necromancer best fits.
So, where do you find yourself, the front line: back line, or somewhere in between?

Jae.9682:

Balefire.7592:

Jae.9682:

(yesh, i’ve been drinking)

That’s not necessarily a bad thing.

Oh Choo, I raise my fist in an awkwardly aggressive waving motion at you!

“I will bite my thumb at them; which is a disgrace to them, if they bear it.”
— Sampson (Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet)

Jae.9682:

(yesh, i’ve been drinking)

That’s not necessarily a bad thing.

Vodka.3958:

13-2 & a gold medal for Blackgate

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/histories
^Look at how sweet that gold medal looks next to Blackgate

I don’t intend on denying anyone their dues, but 10 or so of those victories were in T2, when BG outnumbered SoR by quite a bit. I’m not complaining, because was all perfectly fair, and your 13-2 record as of right now is what it is. But by that same token, you can’t call foul if SoR starts beating Blackgate due to what you believe is a larger mass of people, otherwise, your own argument invalidates your shiny win/loss ratio. So please quit it with the “Sanctum of Transfers” posts.

I was that Asura Choo Ele that ran with you guys in havok a few days back, and, quite frankly, I thought you guys were awesome (at least the ones I got to run with).
If Choo didn’t require full time WvW commitment, I’d definitely hit you guys up, since as fun as organized WvW is, Choo is somewhat lacking in the “zany” aspect.
Whenever I’m not busy spamming marks on my main with Choo, I’ll definitely be on the lookout to run whatever with you guys again.

Good luck with recruitment!

GekoHayate.2451:

Fuzzion.2504:

So the end of the week is coming and everything is looking back to usual…Jq at 1, BG at 2 and SoR at 3 with Kain fast approaching to overtake the bottom server in T1.

SOR is set to gain 39 rating, Kain is set to gain 19….

You know it’s gotta be legit if a staunch BG player is supporting SoR.

dwahvel.7356:

Balefire.7592:

Why can’t we ever have nice threads?
I like nice threads.

I know right. Every week these threads get more and more full of hate. I wish there was a seperate thread for T1 where all the forum warriors could battle it out!

I agree. Although, how would we keep them out of our nice thread? We would some way to perma-ban people from the thread.
I play this game for fun, not to ingest the regurgitated vitriol spouted by others.

Why can’t we ever have nice threads?
I like nice threads.

CuddleStrike.8215:

Score Update!

Brought to you by BG, SoR and JQ!

Enjoy!

:O
How did you manage this? The SoR and JQ guys should clearly be double-teaming the BG ones instead of goofing off, having fun and posing for pictures. For shame.

It’s nice, but it’s kind of token. Eles also get a similar trait for staff, and I’m sure other profs also get something of this nature. It’s the equivalent of “bonus damage” or “extended range” for other weapons.

What I find odd regarding shroudstomping/rezzing is that you can still utilize some other “F” functions, like looting. I wish they would just make their mind on it.

Seasniffer.1763:

SoR lagball ASSSEEEEEEEMMMMMMBLEEEEEEE!

This isn’t even our final form!

It’s just as bad in NA, so worry not, you don’t suffer alone.

Ehragus.5843:

Sorry I still think my charr looks best. Need moar pics.

That’s precisely how I feel. Though to be fair, Tap Skis set looks pretty nice for an Ele look.
Presenting the Bone Charr.

I totally missed your comment, but yeah.

Starter mask, SE legs/chest, HotW gloves, Tribal Shoulders/Boots (T2 I think?).
I’ve had this for a few months, and I really like it. The best part is that whenever I get bored of it, I can just swap starter masks and re-dye it, and it looks completely different.

Vash.9183:

Azaruil.3406:

Vash.9183:

I know people are going to call QQ, but SoR is to blame for the lack of good fights from BG this week. We only have 1 guild on in BG at this point and they are fighting a large JQ zerg in EBG. Our ppt is ranging from 85-105. While we’re duking it out with JQ and basically all the BL maps are completely silent and have plenty of points to capture, SoR decides to bring their zerg of about 80+ members to attack us at the same time.This is only one out of many instances.

I know I’d say “QQ” if someone else was saying this, but if you want a reason for the lack of effort this week, it’s because Choo & co. are griefing our players when there is already enough stress on our ppt. Not surprised you guys have such a bad reputation.

I just hope our Oceanic & SEA guilds don’t get too discouraged.

Wait, let me see if I understood this correctly. There is a group of players from SoR attacking players from another server? You also wish to claim that this is “griefing” and leads to a “bad reputation”?

It seems that I have completely misunderstood what PvP was about. I thought you had to kill each other, but as it turns out, you are actually supposed to cuddle. My bad.

Yes. You did misunderstand. I was trying to put emphasis on how SoR could gain plenty of ppt from the silent BL maps, but decides to attack BG’s only working guild in EBG while they are already under high stress from JQ. My post wasn’t meant to be some kind of declaration of forum war and I’m hardly surprised by the number of quick and defensive SoR responses.

I normally wouldn’t bring this to the forums, but this is all reminding me of a particular WvWvW match-up in the past. Also, I was not trying to imply anything about the 2v1 claims.

Should we not defend our server and our actions? Its not like no one else does it either.
If we call out BG or JQ, we’re trolling or flame-baiting. If we defend ourselves, we’re “proving suspicions” or whatnot, and our arguments hold no water since we are unskilled teenagers who run away from 1v1 and exploit culling.
I thought forums were for public discussion, but clearly we’re just not allowed be a part of things since whatever we say just gets discredited. Congratulations on winning Forum Wars 2 I guess.

Im Not Braxton.6283:

Vash.9183:

I know people are going to call QQ, but SoR is to blame for the lack of good fights from BG this week. We only have 1 guild on in BG at this point and they are fighting a large JQ zerg in EBG. Our ppt is ranging from 85-105. While we’re duking it out with JQ and basically all the BL maps are completely silent and have plenty of points to capture, SoR decides to bring their zerg of about 80+ members to attack us at the same time.This is only one out of many instances.

I know I’d say “QQ” if someone else was saying this, but if you want a reason for the lack of effort this week, it’s because Choo & co. are griefing our players when there is already enough stress on our ppt. Not surprised you guys have such a bad reputation.

We were griefed by choo the other week. We had to team up with ICoa to get anything done. It was annoying. they did nothing but follow us. They are such a large guild. I can see the point in doing it. It wrecks the other players moral. Tactics maybe.

I won’t deny this sometimes happens, but the only times we antagonize particular guilds is when our commanders think they’re getting in our way.
A prime example of this is how on more than one occasion, BG attacked our back lines on JQBL on reset night. Based on the map set up, and the current match, we would’ve expected BG to push north. Instead, they hit our camp or tower while we’re at garrison or something. I’m not saying that hitting our blind spots isn’t a valid tactic, because it certainly is. However, if you choose to do so, you need to be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Jahn.7019:

Fixeon.5076:

Choo was in BG tonight right? I think someone on BG made choo angry….. CHOO SMASH!

Getting on CHOO’s bad side results in your entire BL getting eatten up for the whole night.

In particular: I’d reccomend against assaulting our backlines while Purp is on. You wouldn’t like Purp when he’s angry.

I think most of, if not all would agree TC takes the NA care here.

muekung.2518:

Off topic note, Talentless posted his video and his build in Necro forum.

I believe it’s Power build with Axe/Focus. (I’m not necro expert :P)

Thanks, I’ll definitely check it out.

Talentless.5708:

Worst guild in t1? Tired of seeing players run from 1v1s to go hide in zerg. Quite embarrassing to be on a train of scrubs.

If that’s your opinion, so be it. I doubt anything we could say would change it.
That being said, in my experience, many [Choo] are simply not intersted in 1v1 in WvW. Personally, I know that I’m not a particularly skillful player in terms of solo fights, so rather than die a lot in 1v1s, I would most certainly rather run with the group and try to accomplish something (or not, if we need yak-walking or scouting or whatever) in what little game-time I have than just fight in the fields solo.
Our guild mission is to become the one of the best WvW Guilds, and it seems our definition of “best” is different than yours. We most certainly are not one of the best collections of individually skilled players who run around WvW in small groups or solo, so if that’s what you’re after, I’m afraid we can’t meet that expectation as whole. That isn’t to say that we don’t have members who enjoy 1v1s though; we have multiple [Choo], including some commanders, who love to roam, and, in my opinion, are good players. Your mileage may vary though.
Ultimately, if you enjoy playing the game by having solo fights in WvW, good for you, you sound like you’re a talenyed player, and who am I to interfer with your enjoyment. But on that same note, you can hardly expect that everyone will conform to your needs or opinions.

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

I used this site as a guideline:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Customized_soundtrack

I created a playlist using itunes. Saved it. Named it using the list on the link (ambient, etc). And put it in the proper folder.

I only changed the music for character select screen, battles and boss battles because i otherwise like the GW2 music and i didnt want to lose all of it.

It for me made the already enjoyable wvw… insanely fun.

Do you happen to know which playlists activate where? For example, if generate an “ambient” playlist, will it start playing wherever/whenever, or only when my character is somewhere specific or doing something?

I ask because if possible, I’d like to keep the PvE/Dungeon music the same, but I feel like WvW music could use some adjustments.

Vodka.3958:

Score update.

Seeing the score like this makes me incredibly happy because it shows that the potential for a balanced T1 does exist. Also because, you know, I’m on SoR. =P
But really, I feel like we have proven that SoR can hold it’s own against the big boys before our curfew. Hopefully we can keep our numbers up overnight since the server leadership has spent quite a bit of time trying to shore up our weaker timezones. At the very least, score updates like this should keep the forum warriors at bay for a short period of time in regards to whether SoR “deserves” to be in Tier 1.

dragon.8625:

I totally understand SoR’s position this week, just head hunting to try to stay in Tier 1, even though they don’t belong here, as their score keeps showing they just don’t have the coverage to compete. I would think that if they where really double teaming BG because a few guilds on our server ran their mouth, that they would negotiate a place in second. Unfortunately not the case, so who knows what is really happening behind the scenes. But there you go, SoR 0 ppt, 11pm server time.

I read all the bad talk about BeastGate, and I am not going to respond to it, I just want to point out that we took on the #1 server in north america, we are fighting off their pet dogs at the same time and we still hold a strong second position in Tier 1, good job to everybody on BG that is spending so many hours every day in WvW to make the difference, and to all of our commanders out there, and all of our amazing WvW guilds that fight regardless of what anybody says.

Can’t wait until we push SoR into the tier they belong in and we match up with Kaineng again. I’ve been missing me some War Machine fights.

Forgive me if this comes off as rude, but what exactly do you expect Kaineng to do when they come up? The fact that T2s scores aren’t a total blowout means that it is at least somewhat balanced, and as such, I’m left wondering if people aren’t setting their expectations too high. I’ll be the first to admit that SoR has major coverage gaps, so maybe we do belong in T2 instead of T1, although I’d like to believe that we are at least able to put up a fight. However, I’m genuinely interested in knowing why you guys think Kaineng will provide a much better match up.
Everyone keeps talking about WM, and although they are a great guild, I find it hard to believe that they can carry a server in Tier 1, which means that eventually, Kaineng would just find itself in the same position SoR is in right now.

Red SuperGiant.8653:

Can’t go wrong with Maw of the kitten .

http://www.guildhead.com/item/25971/maw-of-the kitten of-force#model-viewer

FTFY.

I present to you the Bone Charr.

paddygin.6589:

Words.

Both you and the casual players of BG have every right to have that opinion. I would rather it weren’t so, since really, we are just trying to do our best, but I can’t change the effects that has on the match-up.

I will readily admit that SOR holds some animosity towards Blackgate, but I don’t really think you can blame us; you didn’t have to face losing battles for multiple weeks. Also, I don’t want to start up the entire 2v1 argument again, but to be honest, if you feel you are being double-teamed, take that as a compliment. I know I would. Regardless, I would like to commend BG on having fought well and hard.

I would also like to specifically call out ICoa: Despite what others may say, I think you are a good guild. And apparently, so do several of our commanders, since despite the trakittenalking and fun-poking, a battle with ICoa is taken seriously. However, while I admire your stance of “we don’t take kitten from nobody,” trolls will be trolls. I’m sure your time would be better spent elsewhere.

Despite the absurd amounts of vitriol spewing from every orifice of each server’s forum warriors, I would like to congratulate everyone on a wonderful week in WvW.