Guild Wars 2

That doesn’t prove much, he should have been alittle more careful.
Yet i’ve fought that egineer, he’s one of the pretty darn good ones and yet he’s insta gibbed by one mistake.. for shame.

On a side note he should have ’ learned how to play’ like they’re writing which stands for – don’t fight mesmers alone, you’ll lose.

^ that.
I’ll say it again – it’s easy seeing all sunshine and rainbows when you main something as solid as a mesmer. Acting like elitists with nothing to back it up just proves it.

Why don’t you post some vids of this " He learned how to counter, so he won" you’re always spouting about?

jportell.2197:

Just because our mechanic works well doesn’t mean that we should be punished for it. Do something for the other classes stop trying to ruin mine. And once again if they do any splits for mesmers between pvp and pve I wouldn’t care because as important as you guys think you are you are the SMALLEST portion of this game.

The mechanic works way too well,that’s the problem.
If we go ahead and bump every other mechanic to that state, pvp will become even more burst prone.

To be honest mesmers also shine in pve , The only reason people don’t complain about that is that it’s the mobs that are getting the short stick – not players.
Beside i’d rather see this fixed and then go from there.

And really, stop with the personal assaults , it’s not called for. We might be a ‘small’ crowd, but we’re an hardcore one.

How would it mess up the economy ? The exchange rate would be low and should contain some kind of deminising return format.

Couldn’t agree any more with the topic.
PvP giving nothing to player but a horribly slow progressive rank that stands for nothing is what drives the bulk of the crowd away.

I really think one should be able to exchange his glory for Karma and Gold or atleast boosts (xp,karma,glory lol ).

Although i do think that the exchange rates should not be so stellar as the main purpose is having fun and kicking some butt, not farming.

Omg, I never knew that’s the case till now . And i had a pve ranger : I .

Explains how i got double trapped a few times near the trebs. I thought there were rangers buddys or something. Weird.

About that " Never been split " – That’s untrue. A couple of skills have been split.
The one that comes to mind is grenade damage that before getting sigils added, got a debuff at PvP only.

And for god sake, Stop calling us whiners. We complain, not whine.
It’s legit just the same.

When you run a strong and solid class as mesmer it’s easy feeling like it’s all sun shine and rainbows…

How can you compare any summons to the mesmers…really.

Every fart by that class summons another clone. A clone, as in a look alike of the target.
Yeah it’s easy knowing who is who by the movement,weapons,hp,damage and such but it still takes a second or so to differ between em’.

The only as annoying thing might be the thief guild, Since they are pretty similar and can do some nice numbers.

The thing gets even worse when you realise that
Fighting the clones is useless since it’s easy peasy getting more, and fighting the mesmer while a group of clones is up seems like a downhill battle with their added damage and the inability to damage the mesmer through his slew of stuns,invis,invun.

TheGuy.3568:

Finding the real one is a learn to play issue period end of story.

However shatter is OP atm. Its not so much the shatter that’s op but that all the utility skills that summon clones have such strong defensive properties its makes mesmers extremely hard to lock down while still allowing them full access to dps. The other thing is shatter has nearly no risk and the basic shatter builds have such strong defenses in the form of invulnerability and stuns that its makes for a mixture of skills that are simply too strong when combined.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blurred_Frenzy
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phase_Retreat
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deceptive_Evasion
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mirror_Images
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Decoy

would be the main list of culprits. Plus some of the traits in the shatter line.

Should all these skills be nerfed? No. However some of them should be looked at. These counter skills are simply too offensive in the nature of a shatter build. Closing the gap on a mesmer more often then not means certain death.

There needs to be some analysis of risk vs reward given the shear amount of DPS burst a shatter build has.

I completely agree with you both. This is exactly how is feel.

Mesmers got SO much inheret damage, survivability and confusion…it ridicolus fighting even a decent one.

I like the target only ride the lightning
Eles mobility is already the, up there with the thiefs with are both bunk.
Make them work for their life, just like it do.

If a fight gets out of hand as an engineer in i drop glue bomb,giant bomb, nails and run off cog shielding. A kitten more places to mess up and not just press esc 4 on a distent backround.

Wow..that’s some buff stacking O.O

I don’t like the ascended gear in WvW idea since it’s harder doing FoTM and people who want ascended need to push through and do theirs.

I am on board with the map completion. Trying to get a jumping puzzle when you’re being chased by a zerg is such a lol moment.

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Blakey.5670:

How can you chain immobilize a stability & protection wielding ,ride the lightning turning ,mist form changing, perma swiftness running "pro player " that makes up every elementist out there? I’m sure i’ve missed some too.

They turn the fight off in the switch of 2 buttons. And they got like 4 of them.

How is that balanced that half the suggestions in these forums is “Form a passy”?
I don’t see a whole guild knocking on my door when they want to take down an engineer, a warrior, a ranger or guardian.

You’re talking about diversity,which is kind of the engineers bag too, yet i to make a getaway i to invest in the buffing tree or use up atleast 2 of my utilitys while you can just ride out at the speed of light or heal your self out of there.

1. All eles have stability.
2. All eles are pro.

Those are the two things I got from this post actually. Wonderful

Make it a habit to read posts twice before posting . I stated my case just fine thank you.

How to engineers got more CC then eles? You mean that 1 num 4# on the rifle?
That’s unless you ‘waste’ points on the pocket ram or kits that replace your main hand.

And thief being a different problem isn’t making this one right.

Eles with their multitude of buffs end up being just as durable if not more as any warrior while retaining better versatility.

I didn’t say eles are completely broken. They are fine for the most part, but an advantage is an advantage.
All they need is a change to their god like bunker builds and their switch off combat buttons ( which a couple of classes have, and it’s ridiculous).

What they should do ? The same thing that thief and engineers medium armor do at melle range, just a tad better – dodge, run , time their attcks and use their shields.

Not turn off the fight when they please to, not that.

How can you chain immobilize a stability & protection wielding ,ride the lightning turning ,mist form changing, perma swiftness running "pro player " that makes up every elementist out there? I’m sure i’ve missed some too.

They turn the fight off in the switch of 2 buttons. And they got like 4 of them.

How is that balanced that half the suggestions in these forums is “Form a passy”?
I don’t see a whole guild knocking on my door when they want to take down an engineer, a warrior, a ranger or guardian.

You’re talking about diversity,which is kind of the engineers bag too, yet i to make a getaway i to invest in the buffing tree or use up atleast 2 of my utilitys while you can just ride out at the speed of light or heal your self out of there.

A true face palm? As in a total unbelief at what’s going on?

I’m say when i wind up chasing an elementist all around the map,just barely.
With the lightning form, regen,protection,swiftness,stability and water regen – he’d wind up with more up then what we started the fight with.

Just face palm at that design.

The whole ranger heal thingy is a bit screwy.
Even on land,if you don’t dedicate your attention to finishing him, there is a good chance he’ll stand right up.

Even when i see the pet going in for a heal and i try to interrupt it, sometimes it doesn’t work.

Who are these pro players you’re talking about?
these unsung heroes?

Why are their opinions any more valid then mister common joe?
Do you think riot phones up Derius when they want to make a patch?

Youre acting as if everyone with a negetive comment just came off the boat.
It’s safe to say thar a large margein of the commenters have gaming backround, rpg and otherwise.

Some l33t asain dude being able to best a mesmer every now and then makes zero change.

Maybe he’s too good, and the messy is too bad.
Maybe it was luck.
Maybe the messy was half asleep.

Go ahead a shut us up. Fraps these pros of yours taking on visibly good mesmers & bunkers ele and post them here.
Or the other 20 balance threads regarding similar problems.

Again, L2P comments from “elite players”.

For the only class to having working,worth-while pets (illusions), they get a metric-kitten-ton of invunrability ability,stun breaks,teleports and invisability – coupled with awesome damage.

I dare anyone here to run a fraps on how to “properly kill a mesmer” with anything but the other 2 problematic classes right now – thief and elementist.

Go ahead, TEACH US HOW TO PLAY. trolls.

What are you? Gandhi?

Come down from your philosophical high chair ,and answer the simple question that was stated above instead of rewriting stuff everyone knows.
Either you agree or you don’t.

Those comments are what make balance threads pointless really.

Describe a situation that someone will lose 100 times to and is a basic “learn to play” – knowledge issue please.

You’ll need to damage through it.
Sounds like build with some +heal in them.

It’s easier said then done as right now eng got the disables but no real damage to follow through with them.

I see a dedicated group of people in the forums run around writing
“L2P” in a million different variations on any suggested balance thread.

Are there really people debating that War,Rang,Eng need some positive changes
(Read : Not buffing, just changing) in pvp

While Ele,Mes,Thi need negetive changes to some of their more cheese – like features
(Stealth combat reset, Clone mind d-ucking, God mod bunker ele)

I’m just asking .
Since it’s been forever since the last pvp change ( which was mostly about nerfing grenade engineers), maybe it’s all the mixed opinions that are holding A-net back.

Is it “allowed” ?
Funny question really.
As i see it,since i bought a game account off of Anet, i get to do what ever i please with it, including selling it.
Just like someone would buy any kind of materiel commodity at a store.

Am i correct in this matter?
I’m asking since i’m tired of the balance issues in the game in the extent that i don’t enjoy playing it for the sole sake of PvE. I wish to sell it to get some of my investment back.

Should i expect the future owner of my account to get some kind of punishment?
Does anyone know a place where you can post such offers?

Thank you. And please do not see this as a negetive post – i have loved this game since release but see no future with it.

Well you put 30 power (explosives),20 crit(firearms) and 10 crit damage (tools).
At power take everything grenade related.
At crit you can take like the 5 invul stacks on immobile.
The most importent is at tool you should take the " Equipping a kit creates an attck or spell" .

What you basiclly do is walk at someone medium range, Net them with the rifle, get up close to them (melle range). Equip the grenade kit (sends of a grenade barrage) and use grenade barrage. That does a nice bit of damage.

I agree this build looks like something that wasn’t planned. But you must be in someone’s face to use it and the build it self is glass cannon.

After you miss or something you basiclly have to wait 30 sec for the next grenade barrage.
Maybe it should change, but all in all it’s a very 1 hit wonder kinda build and every other class can pull something similar when going full minded damage wise.

I’ll take my SD rifle engi build over this crap any day of the week.

OK i agree with the last post,but the number 2.

I argue it’s fine the way it is. Yes you get it off when they’re at range and you’re both coming in.
After the contact, if he’s range you can still get it off.
Melee can be pushed back by number 3 or rifle 4.

Exploding a bomb shell like number 2 in close range that makes no sense. And you’ll lose out on the passing through damage it does at the moment.
And if something blocks the path you’ll lose out the damage on the correct target.

Again it’s just my opinion. I can make do if they’ll change it your way aswell.

I know exactly what you’re talking about.
Have you not had Elementalists running into a cap point filled with your whole team and just laughing their butt off?
That alone states the issue. I can’t believe people didn’t encounter that.

I can never allow myself that situation. I’ll get insta gibbed.

Exactly. No way should a class stay alive after i run behind then with a SD crit rifle build for 20 seconds pulling off 1700 damage on basiclly every hit and 3000 on a skill use.

Considering he was down to 25% when the chase began and ended up with more at the end.

And you see alot of eles lately running into starting capping point early on just to hold the cap off. 4 people whacking at them while he zips around for a kitten-load time.

I dare you say you didn’t have that happen to you. I dare you.

I agree with all of it , although i would like to add these:

1. The flamethrower main issue for me is it’s random misses. It happens when you’re not centered correctly on targets and on alot of objects (gates,boxes,etc.).
Really is random and can ruin your day when it happens in the wrong time.

2. Am i the only one that finds flame blast to be fine as it is?
I like how it passes through targets. That way i get the impact damage on more then 1 guy. It’s great.
Yes you need to be at a certain distance to get the impact blast, But that came to me easily after using the flamethrower for some time.

3. I really think they should change the knockback on 3 to a knockdown. Only for the sake of making the kit more powerful. It is after all a pretty meh kit.

4. Smoke vent is a silly ability. It’s the weakest ever number 5 .
Should really spice it out abit. Don’t need to go overboard, but maybe just change it.
Elementist fire school resembles engnieers FT. Yes all of their skills are great.

I’m just going to say this before i let this thread run it’s course, cause i don’t believe in thread stalking:

I know very kitten well how a mesmer works and how to counter them. I’m just saying that doing that on a normal Spvp setting with everything going about around you is laughable.

I’ve faced more mesmers then i have wanted to , mainly because how popular they are at Spvp and WvWvW (Odd right? ).
There are the new ones that haven’t got the overflowing bag of tricks down yet, so they die moderately fine.
And there are the ones that got that down and it usually takes 3 people to bring them down, if at all.

Not counting that the mesmer need not do anything special at all to kitten my world up 3 days from sunday since i ain’t got invisability, 4 illusions of my self and invunrability.

Well i’ve seen with my own 2 eye how some (key word,not all) Elementalists can take everything i can dish out and still keep walking.

That’s now even counting how he just zapped off in his lightning form when he got enough shiz and gigles about me following him around with my rifle for 20 seconds.

The passive heal from water school should get nerfed or something similar. That’s my opinion anyway.

I agree on that. They got alot of “Get out of jail free” cards.
I know they are the mind-kitten class,But why must it come with so much damage and utility as well?

Hey. I’m a lvl 80 eng main, and i like playing Spvp.

I think that the engineer is pretty good in pvp even if alot of builds don’t work and you need to press a kitty-ton of buttons to do something (something i actually like cause other classes 5-4-3-1-1-1-1 bores me).
I’ve come up with a slew of skills that work for me and got alot of success felling enemies. For the most part.

The only problem i get is when i face mesmers. I find them completely annoying and alot of times i rather just walk around them then engage them.

Why you ask? It’s too much of a mind-kitten to fight them.

Most of them got like 4 clones perma on, with GREAT damage.
It’s confusing attcking the real one and even if you do know which one it is,you need to take the clones out to lower their damage. Best be done with AoE, which doesn’t make a good single damage style.
Becoming 10 times as annoying when they’re not alone either, since they need attention devoted to single out the real one.

On top of that they got a couple of invulnerable skills and invisability.
And their damage is just great as well, with alot of good knockbacks and what not.

There was even a poll-topic about : ’Who’s your most feared class?’ and mesmers won hands down.

All of the other classes can get quite formidable, i’m not saying they can’t. I’ve been one shot alot of times by a 100 blades warrior like anyone has.

But fighting them doesn’t feel like running up a hill or having you pull your hair out.

Heck i can even post 14 different pictures, in different times, that i took in Spvp that mesmers were 70%+ of my whole team composition.
Meaning that out of 8 people, 5 were mesmers. That’s gotta count for something.

Anyone else with the same feeling? Mesmers being the favorite son? Even if it’s just by a bit.