Ranger (mostly in a WvW and PvP context, but I often use these in PvE)
Signet of the Hunt: 25% speed
Lightning reflexes: dodge + stun break
…On the forums.
Particularly in this section, Suggestions and the Professions sections.
There is a wealth of solid player ideas and suggestions for fixes/improvements (e.g. the neglected “Profession” that is the Ranger and Warriors who are useless in PvP) but only a small handful seem to be acknowledged.
Of course the Devs are busy, but surely there is time in the day to at least acknowledge the more important issues raised here? Even a simple ‘Noted, we’ll bear it in mind’ would be appreciated!
The best way in which ArenaNet can improve its game is by listening to and communicating more with its players.
*Edit: alright, the replies are going how I thought they would ("pfft nub, da devz hav real lifez too and aint paid fo’ this forumz shiz we are lucky they even notice us, i luv yu anet <3 ). So why do we even have a suggestions forum if the devs shouldn’t feel obliged to even give it the time of day?
You people seem to imply that they spend the entire working day doing non-stop work and couldn’t possibly even spare 10 minutes to acknowledge the posts on the forums that have several hundred replies and universal agreement of the proposed change(s). I’m not suggesting that EVERY suggestion or idea post be acknowledged; just the ones gathering the most player attention or a dev would feel worthy of exploring.*
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So I shouldn’t be judging it positively then?
As I say all I have to compare it to up to now is Ranger.
Gave up on my ranger since it was so neglected by Anet it’s pretty much a dead profession now.
Anyhoo i made a warrior and have to say i’m loving pvp and wvw compared to ranger – i actually have fun playing the game now. I may also make a guardian so I can serve as a tank/support profession.
I’ve noticed a bit of moaning on the warrior forum but now i’ve played the profession i don’t see any moaning that needs to be done… Then again i’ve only ever played ranger before this so frankly any other profession will seem a lot better….
Rangers are the only profession with the right to QQ at the moment.
Yes I main a ranger but i also have experienced play in mesmers, eles and guardians. I can say without a doubt that ranger gameplay is seriously neglected. It feels, especially compared to guardian, like an unfinished project.
@Cempa – Sadly I think you’re right. But we can always dream, right?
Like Chopps said, when jon peters came to talk about rangers in the State of the Game he sounded markedly less excited than he did when discussing the other professions. ArenaNet are neither interested in nor care about the Ranger profession. If they even knew the core issues they would have been addressed in the most recent ‘big balance’ patch.
10. Improve AI to allow pets to hit moving targets! In WvW this is a major problem especially for those running wolf/jaguar or other melee pets. Each time our pet fails to hit a moving target it is ~30% of our damage output out of the equation.
OP – I agree that it doesn’t fit in well with axe/axe. So don’t use it. Since before the patch i have been using sword/axe in my serker build in wvw and pvp and it fits in marvellously with this build.
PoS pulls them in, proceed to entangle, sword skill 3 then quickness for beastly damage. If you pull them but are overwhelmed by their close-combat ability then sword skill 2 gives a great disengager if you’re not running lightning reflexes. The latter combined with sword skill 2 also makes for some serious retreat distance
I can see where you guys are coming from. I doubt you are overpowered simply because if you were all the elite classes like eles, guardians and mesmers would be QQing like mad at Anet calling for all sorts of nerfs just like they did with the Ranger.
Like SnyderHall said i expect some are claiming necro is OP simply because they’re not used to having a tough fight with them, particularly in wvw and pvp.
I imagine this would also happen with the ranger if it ever got buffed. The elites would complain (as they did about pets and they’re almost useless now) and Anet would yield and apologise for making the Ranger a worthy opponent again. I hope this doesn’t happen to necro for your sake. Necros got the buffs they needed so i hope anet doesnt take them away again.
It’s just a shame the devs have very little input on the professions and suggestions forums (i.e. the ones designed to help improve the game from the player perspective). It means that even threads with an objective theme and a valid topic like this that should be acknowledged are overlooked. I get the impression that this is partly why the balance process is so slow. They’re just not looking or listening enough.
Awwww you didn’t like my title? I thought it was so apt! I might stalk the guardian forum and try and find out just how much input he has over there :p
@Chopps now that is interesting. If one developer can have that kind of bias or preference then perhaps the other devs have their own too? :p
@Levetty this is what riles me and it is SO true. They only nerfed Ranger pets in response to pvp QQing but didn’t stop to think that perhaps those changes weren’t needed in wvw or pve
I haven’t played necro myself but would like to (i’ve only ever played ranger but that class is well into the grave) so i’m just testing the others out.
What builds do you run? Which are the most effective in WvW? Do you think any particular builds are OP after the update?
It’s pretty obvious to every profession (evening those that were QQing themselves) now that rangers are in dire straits.
My question is, why are we Anet’s neglected runt child? What is it about our profession that they just can’t be bothered with? Is the pet mechanic just too much for them to handle? Or is it that every time we have something remotely good about us the other professions QQ loudly at Anet until they nerf us?
Edit: although it may look like it, this isn’t a moan thread. I genuinely would like some theories as to why this profession is so neglected. I’m personally perfectly happy playing my elementalist until the Ranger profession gets the buffs it desperately needs.
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^^^^ 100% agree ^^^^
We’re counting on you, Battosai!
I think it’s kind of pointless to get into the specifics while discussing the SOTG (i.e. like individual trait mechanics) because they’ll have a LOT to discuss as it is.
Therefore i guess you should focus on the main issues like:
- Underpowered, unappealing Longbow
- Huge pet damage nerf while no decent buff to the damage of the Ranger itself
- Pet AI is still bad (i.e. no hits on moving targets which is a big issue in WvW)
- Shortbow screw-over
Of course this is just what I perceive from reading your posts, so feel free to say I’m entirely wrong and you in fact are not at all biased against the Ranger!
You should actually read the posts instead of relying on “Murder She Wrote” investigative hunches and lunging toward the most likely suspect.
But you’ll agree that the nature of your posts in this thread reveals a vested interest either against the ranger itself out of dislike or poor experience, or perhaps in a different profession that you [wrongly] feel deserves more recognition.
“I’ll take my ranger’s single target DPS over my ele’s single target DPS any day.”
And that’s the issue here. My Elementalist does so much more damage than my Ranger, that I can take out 6 targets with my Ele before my Ranger even takes out 1. If your Ranger does more dps than your Elementalist, you have serious l2p issues. I’m tired of people sticking up for the Ranger when there is a clearly a problem with their dps. No offense, but people like you are going to kill this game if you keep sticking up for a class that needs improvement.
Hey i’m levelling up my ele (ranger was main but i’ve given up on it) what armour/ build set up do you use for high damage? Ive heard survivability is an issue so that needs to be accounted for i suppose? I’m entirely new to that prof so no idea where to start. Wvw purposes mostly.
@ Leo G.
Your posts here seem somewhat prejudiced against the Ranger, and, although you have one yourself the majority of your forum posts are made on the Warrior forum – so I assume the Warrior is where your vested interest lies.
This leads me to believe that you personally do not approve of the results showing that the Ranger is the least popular/useable profession, so you are questioning the effectiveness of the survey. Perhaps this is because if ArenaNet give these results the slightest bit of attention they may realise the Ranger is in dire need of help, and you feel that this may take their attention away from the Warrior profession. I therefore get the impression that if the results said ‘Warrior’ instead of ‘Ranger’ you would not be criticising them so much.
Of course this is just what I perceive from reading your posts, so feel free to say I’m entirely wrong and you in fact are not at all biased against the Ranger!
@ OP
No.
I would love to see a new weapon though – perhaps a whip or something – or at least for rangers to have access to the Rifle. That would be sweet.
I approve of this thread, nice work OP.
It might bring some attention to the fact that Rangers are still ArenaNet’s neglected runt child since release and SERIOUSLY need some buffs.
This is quite annoying. Out of every Ranger weapon the 1h sword alongside the greatsword is the one i have the fewest worries about. A Ranger in this game is predominantly an archery combatant (and yes it is – read the wiki and Anet’s official definition for Ranger) and as such I would like to see buffs to the longbow and shortbow – both of which are diabolical and an insult to an archer-type profession.
@OP
You are correct, Ranger doesn’t mean archer in its real-world sense.
However, guild wars 2 isn’t the real-world. In the guild wars 2 official wiki, this is the opening gambit:
“Good dog! Hold the enemy down while I shoot them! You get a biscuit!
— GuildWars2.com Ranger”
Implying a range-combat profession. The wiki goes on to say:
“Rangers are flexible and durable—proficient with the bow, yet surgical with the sword. They rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature to slay their targets. Their loyal pets, which rangers tame and train, distract enemies while the rangers strike safely from a distance. As an adventurer profession, rangers wear medium armor.”
While it also states that it is adept with a sword,
In Guild Wars 2 the Ranger profession should predominantly be an archer-type combatant
As far as i’m concerned rangers are the only profession with the right to complain after this update
Okay thanks that helps
Probably because they were too busy plotting ways of destroying rangers to notice
Original post: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Power-signet-for-Rangers/first#post2301557
What do you think? I think it’s unfair that our personal damage was never buffed while our pets got screwed over. Would be a nice little buff for our – up to now – fairly unviable serker build.
I don’t need to explain why Rangers are royally screwed at the moment, there’s plenty of rage already on the forums.
The problem i am addressing here is that Anet nerfed pet damage (which most agree accounts for around 30% of our total damage output) to hell. After doing this they didn’t bother to buff the damage of the Ranger itself to compensate.
Simple solution: power signet. Passive effect of, say, +150 power at level 80 would at least help a bit. Zerker rangers have NEVER been viable but adding this may open that build up a little. Anet said themselves they intended to open up the viability of more builds with the latest patch but they have done the opposite for the Ranger.
Open to suggestions on the active effect.
Why should you get some notes on a silly little jingle bell when an entire profession (ranger) is on its deathbed? Priorities: learn them.
Using this trait on my serker ranger i have 60% crit chance whenever im in combat. If i buff with fury it goes to 80 which is pretty sweet. Shame ranger serker builds still suck.
What armour do most eles use? Soldiers? Or berserkers? I want to make a good damage-dealing ele but am new to the profession. I’ve heard of the low starting hp so i guess that issue would need to be addressed…. So i was thinking soliders.
Increase your own precision as well as allies’?
The only way Anet can redeem this ranger nerf is by buffing the damage of the ranger character itself, e.g. By either buffing our auto attack damage or by giving us a half decent power signet. Wishful thinking though of course.
For Ranger, darkace, we don’t even need to look at the builds to know that. They halved the damage for almost every pet we have, making the only viable build at this point for Ranger the Trap Ranger build. BM has been destroyed, at least in its offensive capabilities.
And reduced the crit rate of our most-used pet(s) by 75%
Pet nerfs aren’t a big deal because pets have always represented too much of a ranger’s power.
Except they didn’t buff the Ranger itself in the process. They just nerfed a bootload of our damage output without compensating us. All they would need to do is just add a decent power signet or something and it wouldn’t be SO bad.
Anytime a class gets any other nerf, of course they’re going to complain about it.
Nerf warriors and guardians and you’d get the same thing.
You’d be right, but other classes just don’t get such significant nerfs in comparison. In this one update Anet basically killed the BM build. In the previous update they made the serker ranger extremely unviable.
Having tested it out on a serker build i can say categorically that the longbow buffs are entirely insignificant. It just seems to be massive nerf after nerf and tiny useless buff after tiny useless buff.
Just look at the Ranger forums. I just get the feeling I’m being naive hanging on to the profession hoping for an update that won’t nerf us into the ground for once.
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I’d loooove a shaman build orientated around a staff. It would fit really well into the nature-y lore that i love.
Agree with paz shadow. Good update for serker rangers. Will be running sword/axe instead of axe/axe though
Simple, change the knockback to a daze or stun.
Oh no that would be WAY too overpowered!
….says every thief, elementalist, guardian, mesmer and warrior
What are your thoughts on the implementation of a ‘sniper shot’ type skill?
I assume this has been thought of before, but this would be my take on it:
Upgrade the LB’s point blank shot to include a decent amount of additional damage that is correlated with distance from target (i.e. the further away the target, the higher the damage).
Now this isn’t going to be on the same level as the Warrior’s Kill Shot of course but perhaps including an increased crit chance would bolster its effectiveness.
Naturally a longer CD would accompany, but as long as its damage remains medium-high then it should serve as a fairly useful skill while not being OP. With the lore of a Ranger including the fact that he/she is a master of bows it seems odd that we don’t have some kind of well-damaging long-range shot.
Alright we’ll see if the patch notes are real or not. I bet they are. What would someone have to gain from sitting down for hours crafting realistic-sounding patch notes?
And I’m sorry but even if these patch notes aren’t real my case still stands for all the other updates we’ve received.
Why is it that we are the only profession who has to say “oh well it could be worse, let’s just keep our heads down and hope they don’t nerf us more” after EVERY SINGLE UPDATE since release?
What is it about the Ranger that deserves so much neglect from ArenaNet?
Is it the fact that all the elite classes moan about us and shout at Anet till they nerf us?
Is it the fact that our playerbase is perhaps smaller than the elites like eles, guardians and thieves so they put less effort into maintaining our profession?
I just can’t play any other profession…. Ranger is the only prof i want to play in ANYTHING, whether it be Runescape, Grand Fantasia, Dragon Age, Skyrim or Kingdoms of Amalur. Why should I have to consider quitting just because ArenaNet can’t get their ‘balancing act’ together?
I do have a feeling it’s gonna be the same old story every month though. The elites (i.e. eles, guardians, warriors, mesmers) complain about some aspect or other of ranger being overpowered because they couldn’t stand it being the dark horse of the professions (i.e. the profession that, if played right, can decimate anyone). So naturally they run to Anet and talk smack about us because they should be the only ones with all the power, and of course Anet bend them over and wipe their arses for them.
>chill axe
Hurr hurr hurr :p
Even if they’re real then it’s likely they’re incomplete anyway. Devs are probably tweaking the buffs and nerfs every day and constantly changing their minds about things, so given that there remain 4 days until the patch the notes would probably be different anyway.