Those builds are for sPvP and the Ranger ones are all melee/condition. The best advice any one can give you is experiment…All the builds that got nurfed were discovered over many hours and much gold spent experimenting…
So, can anybody write anything?
I don’t think there isn’t a single build which is more competitive in Pvp..
The thing is Anet has proven to the community that the punish builds that become popular so while some of us are playing builds that are as powerful as pre patch, I doubt any will actually spell it out. We have builds that are near immortal 1v1 and very capable of 1vX.
Thing is we have some darn powerful builds right now, as we speak rangers are steamrolling players and dominating 1vX.
All day yesterday I did not lose a 1v1 and I spent hours going up against each and every build one by one they died. 1v2 I liked my chances but against good players I had to get away or find water.
I don’t think there will be a nerf to a class only because of a Sigil…
On topic:
If I cast fear without the Sigil and then switch to a weapon with it while fear is still on the target… is the remaining duration increased?
Why is there something rather than nothing? Is our universe real? Do we have free will? All philosophically deep question that we should try to answer.
If any glass canon catches you without stun breakers, you’re dead. If a glass thief nails you with basilisk venom he could auto attack you to death before it ends. A 30 30 0 10 0 ele can EQ -> LF -> fire attunement -> ring of fire -> 1 tick of drakes breath -> arcane wave -> firegrab -> air attunement -> ride the lightning, all in a span of 2 seconds for nearly 30k damage. A shatter mesmer can kill you in 1 second or less. Stun break or die.
Why should a glass cannon necro be any different?
A) Those things you listed only work on other GCs. I waste bunkers in seconds on my Necro.
B) Necromancer is not glass cannon, any competent Necro will either pack some traits, or a utility to avoid being glass cannon.
C) Also, those skills you listed have incredibly long cooldowns, or take more setup, a Terrormancer when set up properly can do them much faster, and win a fight based on attrition. Though still incredibly quickly.
I played my Tormentor build today in Solo join tourneys, there was only one player that lasted longer than 18 seconds against me. It was an Engineer with the automated response trait. He still died 6 seconds later from my Flesh Golem.
What build are you using and how would you translate it to WvW?
I’ve been playing conditions in sPvP all day since the patch, the more i play the more i see people getting better at dealing with us already.
Zerkers are really easy to pick off, some even die before i leave DS after a combo, but people with proper gear are very fun to verse now.
There are still ignorant people though who think they can still ignore Necros damage and let themselves bleed a ton before doing something about it.
My advice to anyone with extremely strong opinions towards one side of this Necro discussion, is to play the other classes first. Back when i was having trouble with Mesmer, i made one and was blown away by some of their damage potential.
If you consider yourself a good player, which most of you probably do, then you can pick up the other classes easily within a couple hours, and you will have a better perspective of where Necros stand in terms of balance.
I play every class in the entire game. Necromancer is currently the best class in the game. No other class can match it’s output, while still taking as much input as it can. It’s to the point to where I can’t play any of my Warriors in tPvP, or even my Ranger. I had enormous condition cleanses on my Mesmer and I will still get dominated by a Terrormancer. I’m FORCED to play one of my Necromancers just to compete.
My best build prepatch was my Potentate, I thought that build was borderline OP by the way I could dispatch people. This? It feels like I’m cheating.
Necromancer has always been my best class, but this is just awful. I wanted BUG FIXES not buffs.
Did you consider it might be the way you enjoy playing that leads to that result? I have the exact same results as you but on my power ranger…As much burst and damage as necro puts out now, and they do put out ridiculous amount of pressure very quickly they are can not roam against a Ranger. I use that measure because it seems builds that are great 1vx get nurfed, while great group builds like terror dont get nurfed.
Trying to understand how I qualify for the WvW badge/token? If I get the stomp I get the token, that is clear, but why not if some one else stomps after I had downed my foe?
I want to run around solo, sometimes following a zerg but most times flipping camps and looking for 1vx
I play mainly 2 classes, Necro and Ranger, been on my ranger all day and I don’t know if its the player I am facing but necro is better than before but yet to lose one..
By better I mean they do more dps and burst but its just not there 1v1 yet…
Then again a Power Ranger is a really good build 1v1 so no Necro is not OP.
TL:DR This post is mostly about roaming/havoc in www after the patch and the raised points don’t apply to PvE. I know we got it bad in dungeons. I try to bring up some suggestions in a constructive manner and I wish that we can have a proper conversation going. I’m posting this on a cell so I can’t link the build, gear or even stats for further info of my setup. I understand the info would be useful for the readers as my suggestions are based on it. I will update later on if the thread picks up.
Please share your (post-patch) experiences in www and suggestions how the class should be evolving or what fixes are needed to make it more viable/appealing/fun to play.
You have a really nice build (though I go 30/0/30/10/0) and though I love GS+SB the range nurf kittened my game because I loved the synergy between do your GS stuff then swoop away and switch to SB turn and start kiting while pet did its stuff….
After patch Im still using the same cleric+soldier+knight mix but with LB/S+W instead and completely dropped GS…Would love to see vids of your game play.
Skirmishing is rubbish unless you want the Trap traits or some silly Moment of Clarity build! You are on the right track regarding a bow build though…
PS I don’t get your love of Sharpening Stone trait and utility, we have much better options :/
I just saw your gear it has +Condi on it, that might explain your S. Stone though if you want to go Bow you should focus +Power.
Its Rampagers, Its got Condition/Precision/Power as the stats, very very Glass Cannon
Basically with the on crit bleed sigil/talent + keen edges + sharpening stone, you turn Longbow into a condition weapon somewhat..Barrage Becomes a very nasty AOE
So I’ve played against this thief in WvW.
He just wasn’t able to kill me. At first he tried Basilisk a few times, then he reset the fight and tried twice with the Thieves Guild.
About ~10 min later some other guys joined the fight and interrupted the duel. After that I chatted with him a little. He immediately accused me of using “the new no-brain build”.
Lol wut? I used the exact same build I’ve been using pre-patch, nothing changed except the addition of Tainted Shackles.
Apparently, people aren’t used to losing against necros. So if they haven’t played against a good one before they blame it on the buffs we just got.
Btw I love Tainted Shackles, that skill is da bomb!
Combined with all the other improvments our skills and traits have received and the buffed lf regeneration… do you guys feel that we are overpowered now?
Or is it just the go-to excuse for opponents who can’t beat us? Because in case of that thief, I really used the same build as before so the outcome of the fight would have probably been the same.
On a sidenote: I’ve noticed that the lf-regen and Tainted Shackles’ aoe-immobilized really did slightly improve our attrition fighting against multiple opponents. But we still lose in the end… :/
So the question “op or not” really just pertains to 1v1s.
I said this last week, this is exactly what Anet wants, since all rangers QQ that groups don’t want them, they FORCED the entire class into Spirit tree and group buff role…
I was using the swap—>Stomp until yesterday, I start the stomp then I swap pet….Stomp completed way before the actual cast bar finished and it was 100% stomp…
Like I said in another thread, bye bye BM and forget your pets…
I did no more than a few hours of sPvP with Rifle so very little experience but I found it nice as a front line sustained DPS with burst, all be it very hard to setup, and elixirs are a wonderful group utility.
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I like the bleed as it plays really well with our pets and SB Cripple that causes all pet attacks to bleed. Even as a pure power build Maul+SB Cripple and its a good +7 stacks really fast.
Of course, any build that relied on setting up the pet for damage will need to take a look at making up that lost burst…
In PvP burst kills your foe all else equal, not DPS. BM burst took a massive hit soooooo how are we to down a properly geared and played foe? Will see…
GS is a fantastic weapon, use it just for the swoop or build around it and use it in power build or as a purely defensive off hand its works well.
As for my favorite build which will get destroyed tomorrow it was GS main with SB off hand Power Ranger 0/10/30/0/30 with birds. I could out run any one with perma swiftness Without swiftness! 25% speed signet + Swoop and you are faster than any one..You can’t be caught and even if they blow abilities it wont matter, just wait a few more sec and Swoop is up again.
Time your GS Block/Knock down right and you can burst with 50% pet dmg increase from GS daze+Signet active+Raven F2+Maul then swoop away 1,100 and switch to SB with 2 heal interrupts and snare+pet bleed..wow that hurts…
Its a page out of Blizzard’s book of how to keep the ‘kids’ (I don’t mean you, just in general as most MMO players are young) busy by re-rolling new toons.
1) Choice of off hand Short-Bow Vs Dagger+Dagger?
2) Utilities?
3) Build and use venom or not?
4) Trait choices, what do you like and why?
5) Build for bleed duration or go for x6 condition intensity?
So we know pet damage is being reduced and pet burst is being nurfed into the ground, so if we still have current AI, are pets worth anything more than utility against moving targets?
