Guild Wars 2

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Caffynated.5713:

WvW is better without ACs and trebs. Bring back rams, cats and ballista.

Lol, so no siege counter to rams? That sounds smart XD. People who can’t handle AC’s are people unwilling to adapt, and they are those who are incapable of presenting even remote intelligence to place siege.

Unwilling to adapt? I’m not sure what kind of experience you have in WvW,

But last week I was in a situation where my team had 50 people, and the enemy server also had 50 people. They were camped inside a tier 2 Briar tower, their gate and walls down, they would not come out into open field to fight us, and when they did they would get wiped. Their strategy was to have 10 arrow carts inside the tower and hold a choke point going up the stairs. Charging inside was attempted and ended in suicide.

We then spent another 30 minutes using trebs, specifically aiming for and killing their arrow carts on top of the walls. However while doing this, they put the walls back up, and we had to get the walls back down, and then they would continue to build more carts as people with supply could sneak in 1 by 1. After a full hour of assaulting this tower, and when most of the carts were cleared (not for the first time) we had to get the wall down again, this time we charged and they still had a couple of arrow carts. The battle was very close as the numbers were even and they still had a couple of arrow carts, my team almost wiped in the lords room, but managed to rally and regain full health to down many of the opposition players, we capped it…just, after a lot of effort.

There was a lot more that happened, but I can tell you, for the 50 people that had to wait for the siege shots this entire time, it was a boring experience for them and it was not very fun. We were held by an inferior team that had equal numbers, terrain advantage, repairable walls/gates and easily built arrow carts.

Tell me, what would you have done in that situation? How would you have ‘adapted’? Do you find the above scenario fun?

The combat has been very clean and the fighting inside towers and keeps has been really fun. There have been no arrow carts which means that it’s all about the combat co-ordination of players, and no reliance on a 1 button win from arrow carts.

I think that Arrow carts are way too overpowered at the moment, and were much more balanced against troops and more useful at countering siege before they initially buffed the damage.

What do other people think?

Well that’s very disappointing, the borderland that you’ve been defending all night is lost because of technical difficulties.

Kreen.3925:

Cirus.5748:

Jade Quarry has never experienced what it’s like to be kicked out of tier 1,

Jade Quarry dropped into T2 for a week in September and come back up the next week. Won’t bother commenting on the rest of your post.

Vel already corrected me

Vel.1653:

Cirus.5748:

Masamoon.3864:

BG doesn’t know how to endure, JQ is still a solid contender though. My apologies to BG, it seems a lot of your guilds stop showing up, but how you gain guild is not how one makes a strong community. Whilst you guys say you have one, from everyone I talk to on BG your guilds seem very segregated and do their own things for the most part. We’ve never had that issue on SoR for…ages now. Yes we gained guilds, at a slow pace, but we never begged nobody to come, they came on their own accords because they enjoy how we are as a server. We don’t point fingers, even when we were losing we still came out strong everyday during our primetimes. You guys, just decided to disappear completely. I don’t know if its playing dead or not but somethings not right. You guys have the people/guilds to still be contenders in T1 yet you chose to sit and moan instead of going out and playing. SoR has been the underdog until these last few weeks. All we’ve gained is an EU guild that chose to come to us over the other two servers and a decent morale booster. Its up to you guys to motivate your guys to come out, complaining really gets you nothing. Now get out there and kittening play the game.

BG knows how to endure, it has been kicked out of tier 1 twice and twice it has come back to the top tier. It has even managed to become 3 time champions of tier 1. The only other server to be kicked out of tier 1 and has managed to make it back was Stormbluff Isle. All the other servers, Henge of Denravi, Eredon Terrace, Isle of Janthir and Sea of Sorrows have freefalled down the tiers, without ever coming back to tier 1.

Jade Quarry has never experienced what it’s like to be kicked out of tier 1, and neither has Sanctum of Rall. You should respect the resilience and resolve that Blackgate has shown, and will continue to show.

ummm let me dig this up from way way way back brb….

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/history/29

The farthest I can go back is right when HoD collapsed. But back during the days when HoD was a power house I remember us being kicked out of tier 1 for only 1 week. ET took our place that week and we moved down to fight in tier 2 against CD and DB.

Im sure any of the older JQ members (even you TW guys) might remember that week as we crushed them after about 5 hours of fighting.

So yea JQ has been though the whole falling out of tier 1 thing, We pulled though it though and honestly with the way they are talking about reseting how match ups work it does not matter at this point.

JQ still has the most tier 1 one week battle wins in NA. Second in the world.

Also we have been in tier 1 the longest out of any single server.

SoR has the staying power that JQ has now as long as they can keep a tight knit community like JQ has had since release. Looks like we might become the next sor <3 JQ after sadly the JQ <3 SBI died with sbi ;_;

BG sadly tends to go super hard pushing for like 3-4 days then burns themself out. I have yet to see much of BG out in force since the one week they really pushed after getting WM.

Its not just about having strong WvW guilds, its about having a strong WvW community. Every single person matters in WvW down to the yak walking/siege refresher/scout up to the voice coms commanders. I think this is where a lot of servers go wrong is where they like to think the WvW guilds will just carry them, when in the end they end up burning themselves out.

You’re right, I wasn’t in tier 1 or 2 at that time so I can’t recall, my server back then was hanging around tier 3 and 4.

Still, Blackgate got kicked out of tier 1 in November and February and here they are! Most other servers put in Blackgates position haven’t been as fortunate.

Masamoon.3864:

None of the above servers got revitalized by transfers like BG hass.

The above servers have not been revitalized by transfers because a very large portion of the guilds have left these servers, making it impossible for them to recover.

It hasn’t happened to Blackgate because the guilds on here stay on the server when it goes down, and keep fighting for Blackgate to go back up again. It’s because of the willingness of Blackgate guilds to fight on and not give up that it receives new transfers.

Masamoon.3864:

BG doesn’t know how to endure, JQ is still a solid contender though. My apologies to BG, it seems a lot of your guilds stop showing up, but how you gain guild is not how one makes a strong community. Whilst you guys say you have one, from everyone I talk to on BG your guilds seem very segregated and do their own things for the most part. We’ve never had that issue on SoR for…ages now. Yes we gained guilds, at a slow pace, but we never begged nobody to come, they came on their own accords because they enjoy how we are as a server. We don’t point fingers, even when we were losing we still came out strong everyday during our primetimes. You guys, just decided to disappear completely. I don’t know if its playing dead or not but somethings not right. You guys have the people/guilds to still be contenders in T1 yet you chose to sit and moan instead of going out and playing. SoR has been the underdog until these last few weeks. All we’ve gained is an EU guild that chose to come to us over the other two servers and a decent morale booster. Its up to you guys to motivate your guys to come out, complaining really gets you nothing. Now get out there and kittening play the game.

BG knows how to endure, it has been kicked out of tier 1 twice and twice it has come back to the top tier. It has even managed to become 3 time champions of tier 1. The only other server to be kicked out of tier 1 and has managed to make it back was Stormbluff Isle. All the other servers, Henge of Denravi, Eredon Terrace, Isle of Janthir and Sea of Sorrows have freefalled down the tiers, without ever coming back to tier 1.

Jade Quarry has never experienced what it’s like to be kicked out of tier 1, and neither has Sanctum of Rall. You should respect the resilience and resolve that Blackgate has shown, and will continue to show.

Kreen.3925:

wish.3102:

Tsym moved to SOR to kill everyone from SOS who bandwagoned off and called them bad words and blamed them for SOS falling apart. I don’t find that to be bandwagoning. At least, that was my impression of why they moved =3

I support this message, I hope its true

Nice touch Tsym, your standing in my eyes has improved no end, nothing like a bit of healthy payback

And it’s not true!

AOI, ND and MERC have nothing but respect for TSym, we also wanted them to come to Blackgate!

There was some friction between AGG and Tsym however, but AGG moved off Blackgate a long time ago.

But hey, never let the truth get in the way of a good story

Mance.5640:

Pvp.2758:

Listening to an Australian chick sing on Team Speak at 8:30 AM.

SoR > All

That was Flakes he’s the leader of TKG on JQ.

JQ > All

Did it go something like this? :P

I would like to congratulate Sanctum of Rall on their first tier 1 victory!

I remember back in October, after HoD collapsed, 2 super servers were brewing in the lower tiers. One was Sea of Sorrows, the other was Sanctum of Rall. They met in tier 3 for the first time, with both sides putting in amazing fights and the momentum of the match up constantly swinging with the other server trying to punch harder than the other. The best thing about this match up was not the scores, but the fights had on the field. A lot of people who were on SoS agree that SoR NA gave the best fights, were the most skilled and organized Americans of any server SoS ever faced. SoR were better than the servers in tier 1.

Sanctum of Rall has had to be consecutive runners up over a very long period of time. Yet their guilds have stayed loyal to the server, and stayed strong. Many of the guilds I saw all those months ago, are still on SoR today.

But it is not only the old guilds that have made SoR server, the new arrivals that have moved to SoR, have had the guts to join the underdog in order to balance the competition. These guilds must also be congratulated and have contributed just as much as anyone else on SoR!

Sanctum of Rall has a lot of skill and organization, WvW is based around coverage,. But SoR has not won tier 1 through coverage, they’ve won it through courage!

Congratulations to Sanctum of Rall!

You have my full respect for what you have achieved on the battlefield,

/salute and well done!

Enjoy the moment! :D

LetoII.3782:

Cirus.5748:

LetoII.3782:

Cirus.5748:

GW2 might be far from reality, but shooting arrows straight up in the air for them to land on their desired target (raining arrows) has been used for over 10,000 years.

Not exactly straight up…
When I was a boy learning to shoot a bow, my pops was quite explicit about NOT doing that. Arrows do require more than the force of gravity to do their work. A ballistic path (arc) does still retain some of the kinetic energy from the bow.

I see, interesting.

I thought that with a hunting arrow, the heaviest part which is the head would always land first? and if you shoot it a great distance up in the air, I wouldn’t want to be underneath it! Those things are sharp.

The head isn’t really the heaviest part of an arrow. Well, in primitive parts of arrows it was I imagine. In a modern bow the tip is a fine balance between weight and area of effect, mostly ultra-thin razors are used to inflict as much bleeding as possible. You’ve likely heard the term Broadhead. What makes an arrow travel staight is the fletching, or feathers at the rear of the arrow. In order for them to work air must travel over the vanes at a speed to compensate for gravity pulling the front of the arrow down. When simply falling out of the air, an arrow tumbles.. Which is mostly worthless for doing more than making a dumb leto cry if it hits him is his fool head.

Oh, I meant in a medieval context! :P

I thought that a medieval arrow landing with gravity alone would be enough to kill a person. Especially if there were thousands of them at once.

That said it probably wouldn’t be practical enough for it to ever be used compared to the distance and power of a ballistic trajectory.

Still, thanks for the lesson!

LetoII.3782:

Cirus.5748:

GW2 might be far from reality, but shooting arrows straight up in the air for them to land on their desired target (raining arrows) has been used for over 10,000 years.

Not exactly straight up…
When I was a boy learning to shoot a bow, my pops was quite explicit about NOT doing that. Arrows do require more than the force of gravity to do their work. A ballistic path (arc) does still retain some of the kinetic energy from the bow.

I see, interesting.

I thought that with a hunting arrow, the heaviest part which is the head would always land first? and if you shoot it a great distance up in the air, I wouldn’t want to be underneath it! Those things are sharp.

gebrechen.5643:

MagiKarp.8201:

Have you never seen a volley of arrows before? its like Warfare 101

I never have used an ac in reality, but I know how it works. And even in reality you have a minimum angle to fire if you are too close to a wall or you can try to shoot them straight up and hope the wind carries all those arrows away from you.
But GW2 is far away from reality, which doesn’t make exploits legit

GW2 might be far from reality, but shooting arrows straight up in the air for them to land on their desired target (raining arrows) has been used for over 10,000 years.

Being able to shoot over walls is a deliberate in game mechanic because that is how an arrow works.

Zeres.8713:

Tarkus.4109:

Thanks for the fights IRON/HIRE/NYS, tbh we kinda did see the IRON tag and follow you around the map because I wanted to push you so you would push back. Nice to see IRON is pretty solid on open field, I just hope that they play more independently as opposed to the current SoR Meta of blobing it up in oceanic (I know it wasn’t your primetime) and disregarding all other maps. Regardless, its good to see a fresh face to the tier, and welcome to tier 1 NA.

Dear Tarkus, please stop making things up about SoR’s oceanic forces. If you wish to keep up this nonsense, let us do a guild verse guild that I have asked for many times.

Sincerely,
HIRE

Learn to show a bit of respect, and you might receive some back in return.

IRON’s true impact won’t be felt until Tuesday.

Great job to everyone on Blackgate tonight!

Proud of you guys :)

Congratulations to SoR for acquiring IRON, this is good for everyone in tier 1!

sostronk.8167:

CRO.7658:

pot.6805:

sostronk.8167:

Kript.3291:

sostronk.8167:

Kript.3291:

sostronk.8167:

Score update with pro paint skills for those at work.

awww is your ego unable to accept that BG beat you?

It is stupid to keep labeling Blackgate as ‘Blackgate+ Sea of Sorrow + Kaineng’.
Your narcissism " awww it took 3 servers combined to beat JQ " won’t help you at all.

Do i need to remind you that JQ receive a lot of guilds from other servers at the end of free transfer as well? even FOO wasn’t a native JQ guild, , and yet a lot of JQQers are perfectly fine with it, what a bunch hypocrites.

You guys lose the match because of laziness, JQ had 15k lead, you guys decided to not show up and then give up when you still had the chance.

stop finding excuses and start fighting.

You seem mad. Ive yet to see you once in WvW frudoo and your on JQ so why don’t you take your own advice? Also, JQ did receive quite a few guilds, I wasn’t very happy with the Euro stacking, but we did not recruit entire servers.

entire server? is MERC equal to entire SoS? is WM equal to entire Kaineng?

So you think the only guild that left SOS and went to BG was MERC? Apparently you don’t know much about the topic your talking about. There were 10 major guilds that left SOS and went to BG and a few small ones. As for WM, yes they pretty much are all of Kaineng. They went from bottom tier to second tier purely because of WM.

Once again, the exaggeration of guilds.

Someone should post a list of all the guilds that transferred to jq. Think there were over 25 of them.

Only a few guilds from SOS went to BG and a few have already transferred off.
JQ is still the most stacked server by quite a bit

Also please list the 10 major guilds who went to BG from SOS

You are so full of BS. There is no way JQ is even stacked at all when compared to BG. You are right about the guilds though, a few of them did transfer, the ones from SOS anyways.

Just to point out here, most of my kitten was from SOR and the double teaming they have been doing. I didn’t really care that much about the fact that BG is the most stacked server I have ever personally seen, but your BG forum warriors jumped in. And tbh I don’t really care about BG being stacked, it happens its the way WvW is designed to work so I work with it. But don’t be denying the fact that BG is the most stacked server in recent history. Its yours so wear it.

I beg your pardon?

Before the end of free transfers, the competition and coverage between Jade Quarry and Sea of Sorrows was tight, the 3rd tier 1 server could even produce a 3 way competition in some weeks. Each server could cover 2 timezones out of 3 timezones, having 1 blindspot which was counter balanced the other servers.

When the end of free transfers was announced, almost every single guild from any lower, middle or higher tiered server that was looking to transfer to tier 1, joined Jade Quarry.
Effectively doubling or tripling the active WvW population of the server. The rest of the competition didn’t receive much in comparison, 1 or 2 guilds here and there, but nothing like the 30+ guilds that transferred to JQ.

The end result was Jade Quarry completely smashing tier 1 without a contest for 3 months. When Jade Quarry tried they would beat the other servers with winning margins of 100k-200k+, when JQ has taken it easy and gone casual they’ve still been winning by 50-100k points. Jade Quarry is the most anti competitive and stacked server in Guild Wars 2 history.

The Blackgate you see now is a knee jerk reaction to keep up with Jade Quarry. Jade Quarry created this.

The sad part is that a lot of people predicted this 4 months ago and warned how this would damage the competition before it was too late, yet it fell upon deaf ears and JQ received another 20 guilds.

Personally I don’t care who wins. But I hate this whole super server stacking business, it’s damaging to WvW and it kills the competition. It’s good that JQ finally has an opponent to compete against now, but I’d rather have 3 way fights 24/7, where any tier 1 server can win it on the final day.

But please don’t go on claiming that JQ isn’t stacked, just please! LOL

- These are the opinions of my own, and not that of an entire guild or a server

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Polismassa.6740:

Cirus.5748:

I was like you once. I thought it would never happen to my server, we have a proud history, we are not fair weather, we always fight hard when behind and can handle losing etc etc

The problem is that once a server reaches the top and has tasted the large amount of victories, it becomes corrupt and is more susceptible than ever to collapse. Like a poisoned chalice.

What do HoD, SBI and SoS all have in common? They were the 3 most successful servers in tier 1.

Who succeeded them? Jade Quarry.

Is Jade Quarry immune to collapse? Prior to their success you would say yes, afterwards, I’m not so sure.

The majority of the loyal guilds and players who have been there from day dot, and have been there through the hard times have left SBI and SoS within a short timeframe, the same can happen to JQ or any other server and SoS proved it can still happen after the end of free transfers.

Apparently you don’t understand the history of T1 very well my friend, Understandable, but don’t come on here and post regarding things that you know nothing about.

Do you know what happened right after the HoD collapse? Guess what? JQ took the throne, JQ was in the top spot for some time after HoD’s fall, a few weeks if I recall correctly. After that, there were innumerable cries of “Stacking” and “WvW Stagnation”, much like what we see today. Then, a couple weeks later, the newly revitalized SBI, shot back up and took our top spot from us for another 4 or 5 very competitive weeks. At the end of which, JQ managed to beat SBI, only to witness the rise of SoS. SoS was the dominant server for around 10 weeks, something that i’m sure you will remember.

My point to all this is to let you know that JQ has been at the top, we have experience with both success and failure in T1, and almost nothing has changed. Not to say that our community is somehow stronger or better than any other server, but there is something that just keeps Jade Quarrians playing. I for one, have the utmost confidence that JQ will not collapse. We may have many outspoken forum warriors that pop up when we win, and die away when we are losing, but the core that makes us JQ will always be there.

I know exactly what happened, I don’t really want to argue semantics , but JQ didn’t have a period of dominance, they won 2 weeks in a row after HoD and ET collapsed and 1 of those wins was against 2 dying servers which is not on the same level of dominance as the other 3 servers I mentioned.

But now after JQ’s recent 3 months, they have set the records, and once you’ve done that you cannot handle defeat in the same way that you used to.

Most JQ players are now used to winning without even trying, if things get rough there could be a chain reaction and it won’t be for the first time. JQ has already lost the core of the 2 strongest guilds that underpinned the success of JQ, remove the foundations of any structure, no matter how big and it will start to wobble.

I have no idea what’s going to happen, JQ could win the next 5 weeks straight and stabilise themselves, or the whole thing could come crashing down, it’s uncertain. No server is immune to it, no matter what you tell yourself.

Verdauga.2694:

So sick of seeing Silver with all these guys -.- Get away from my love.

-taps shoulder-

Excuse me sir, but I do not believe we have met!

STAY AWAY FROM MY SILVER!

<3

globe.7238:

Cirus.5748:

wish.1027:

awesomesauce.5980:

wish.1027:

Voicer.8239:

And for those that scream with proud before: “BG is not T1 material!! BG is imploding!!!!”

I have one thing to ask:

Suuup?

BG was impolding at the time and was on their way to T2. They ate another server and now are no longer imploding, but that does not mean they were doing fine 2 weeks ago. Your comment is kind of stupid.

JQ’s PVE forces would also like to thank Kaineng as they can now all easily get blue vistas and POIs apparently. So I guess the question now is “how long til sea of black kainengs implodes!?!”

Actually the more interesting question is how far will JQ fall now that both EMP and FoO have left? They’ve now lost first place (not just the week, the rank) and all the fair weather players are going to abandon ship (either to PvE or to another server). The easy wins appear to be gone, so the buffer of players they enjoyed from that are a luxury no longer around and the guilds are going to have to work harder to stay in tier one, let alone win it. That’s something a lot of JQ isn’t used to. It’s going to get ugly (you can see the frustration on GW2Guru already) and as hard as the guilds might try to make up for the loss of numbers, people get sick of over time.

Rush to recruit because if the dominoes keep falling like they have been these last few weeks, the next time JQ will be green might be in tier two.

I know youre new, having just bandwagoned to BG and all, so I’ll tell you something funny. JQ lost in T1 pretty much since the game launched til 2 months ago. Losing now isnt going to change much about the server, theres still just going to be a bunch of guilds with low numbers and tons of PVE people who run from fights half the time. Even if 3 servers super stacked and we went to T2 I doubt the JQ community would change much.

But I did hear about a devious plan for all of JQ to move to BG and clog up their Q’s til they get tired of it and disperse. On the even more positive side, this will also give us lots of room to recruit more guilds before we all ninja transfer back in the middle of the night when theres like 4 people playing.

I was like you once. I thought it would never happen to my server, we have a proud history, we are not fair weather, we always fight hard when behind and can handle losing etc etc

The problem is that once a server reaches the top and has tasted the large amount of victories, it becomes corrupt and is more susceptible than ever to collapse. Like a poisoned chalice.

What do HoD, SBI and SoS all have in common? They were the 3 most successful servers in tier 1.

Who succeeded them? Jade Quarry.

Is Jade Quarry immune to collapse? Prior to their success you would say yes, afterwards, I’m not so sure.

The majority of the loyal guilds and players who have been there from day dot, and have been there through the hard times have left SBI and SoS within a short timeframe, the same can happen to JQ or any other server and SoS proved it can still happen after the end of free transfers.

We lose one week and now we’re having this impending collapse? I’ve been on JQ since the start, we’ve won and lost our fair share of T1 matches. I WvW daily and see the same people i’ve seen through out our victories and defeats and I doubt that will change. Any outsider can claim this or claim that, the facts are you’re not a part of our community so you’ll never know just how strong we really are. We’re not HoD/SBI/SoS, we’ve proven to be the most stable competitive T1 server in history even if we’re not first. But go ahead, continue with these implosion comments its time for me to bust out the popcorn and watch the show

I never said there is an impending collapse, reread my post.

Do you think that HoD, SBI and SoS don’t have wonderful, amazing communities as well?

Put it this way, imagine the guilds that you play with, as well as all your WvW friends move servers. Do you stay? or do you go with them? If you stay, will you have a motivation to keep playing?

I don’t wish it upon any server but to think that it can’t happen to Jade Quarry, you’re only fooling yourself.

wish.1027:

awesomesauce.5980:

wish.1027:

Voicer.8239:

And for those that scream with proud before: “BG is not T1 material!! BG is imploding!!!!”

I have one thing to ask:

Suuup?

BG was impolding at the time and was on their way to T2. They ate another server and now are no longer imploding, but that does not mean they were doing fine 2 weeks ago. Your comment is kind of stupid.

JQ’s PVE forces would also like to thank Kaineng as they can now all easily get blue vistas and POIs apparently. So I guess the question now is “how long til sea of black kainengs implodes!?!”

Actually the more interesting question is how far will JQ fall now that both EMP and FoO have left? They’ve now lost first place (not just the week, the rank) and all the fair weather players are going to abandon ship (either to PvE or to another server). The easy wins appear to be gone, so the buffer of players they enjoyed from that are a luxury no longer around and the guilds are going to have to work harder to stay in tier one, let alone win it. That’s something a lot of JQ isn’t used to. It’s going to get ugly (you can see the frustration on GW2Guru already) and as hard as the guilds might try to make up for the loss of numbers, people get sick of over time.

Rush to recruit because if the dominoes keep falling like they have been these last few weeks, the next time JQ will be green might be in tier two.

I know youre new, having just bandwagoned to BG and all, so I’ll tell you something funny. JQ lost in T1 pretty much since the game launched til 2 months ago. Losing now isnt going to change much about the server, theres still just going to be a bunch of guilds with low numbers and tons of PVE people who run from fights half the time. Even if 3 servers super stacked and we went to T2 I doubt the JQ community would change much.

But I did hear about a devious plan for all of JQ to move to BG and clog up their Q’s til they get tired of it and disperse. On the even more positive side, this will also give us lots of room to recruit more guilds before we all ninja transfer back in the middle of the night when theres like 4 people playing.

I was like you once. I thought it would never happen to my server, we have a proud history, we are not fair weather, we always fight hard when behind and can handle losing etc etc

The problem is that once a server reaches the top and has tasted the large amount of victories, it becomes corrupt and is more susceptible than ever to collapse. Like a poisoned chalice.

What do HoD, SBI and SoS all have in common? They were the 3 most successful servers in tier 1.

Who succeeded them? Jade Quarry.

Is Jade Quarry immune to collapse? Prior to their success you would say yes, afterwards, I’m not so sure.

The majority of the loyal guilds and players who have been there from day dot, and have been there through the hard times have left SBI and SoS within a short timeframe, the same can happen to JQ or any other server and SoS proved it can still happen after the end of free transfers.

Blackgate are now winning!

Score update!

Well done to everyone on Blackgate for achieving it’s 2nd tier 1 win! :D

A big thankyou to all the guilds that work together with us, across all timezones that have helped make this happen.

I’d also like to give a warm welcome to Blackgates newest transfers :),

Thank you and well done everyone!

Good luck to Jade Quarry next week, I expect you guys to come out twice as hard on the reset, and to Sanctum of Rall , good fights as always! You guys help keep the combat interesting :)

Coverage, numbers, tactics, strategy and morale are all factors in deciding the score.

Every server gets a hand dealt to them in terms of numbers, it’s then up to you in what to do with it.

Do you run into a door with 8 arrow carts head on and try bash your heads in the gate so that you all become corpses?

Or do you try and kill the carts first and then take down the gate?

If you see the enemy in open field combat, do you fight them or do you run away and scatter?

Do you defend or do you attack?

Do you appoint scouts or do you assume “someone else will do it”?

Do you keep fighting or do you give up because you are losing? What about your allies/pugs, do they stick around when it gets tough?

Or do you just PvDoor from all sides with your superior coverage?

All these factors have a major impact on the score.

You can’t control your coverage, but everything else is up to the players that you do have and they will have a major say in how the borderlands play out.

sostronk.8167:

I think we need about a 450PPT for the rest of the week over BG (not just a 450PPT but that much of a lead over BG) in order to close that gap. This won’t happen. Seen some points turnaround but this just won’t happen. Well done to BG

It’s not over yet.

To over take BG JQ need 15k points over 17 hours, that is 882 points per hour, or +220 points per tick on top of BG. I’ve seen a lot of turn arounds happen, if JQ push hard it is still possible, even if BG play at their best.

I wouldn’t concede defeat until it’s at least +500 points per tick required if I were you.

Neuromancer.2148:

waha.4921:

I’m back but Chinese Alliance is gone, JQ sea time zone is weak at this moment.We will do we best on the battlefield and cya my friend.
sry my english is poor XD

Waha

This is great news. I’m sure when your guild has reached full strength again we can have great fights during SEA primetime.

I was challenged by the presence of FOO on the battlefield. My best memories of the game are running with MERC’s Amarathy and alternately hunting and being hunted by the formidable FOO zerg. At first, we would wipe almost every time because many were new players and had never experienced the freight train FOO charge. I still remember some of Amarathy’s more colorful curses on TS (“If a train is coming at you, don’t just stand there with your **** in your hands!!!”) but that same week we started to learn how to roll with it. Eventually, we would win some clashes, working up to an average of 50-50, losing one open field fight, then winning the next. One night, our team was so on point that we didn’t lose a single battle, and the FOO zerg dispersed way before its usual bedtime. It was a proud moment.

Anyway, what I’m saying is that competition is what it’s all about. The tough level of play that FOO brought to the field kept me up well into the night. Thank you to the players on JQ and SoR who play hard but speak graciously (or not at all!) on the forums, just like Waha. We are actually honored to be clashing with great opponents that keep each other on their toes. My server Blackgate is ahead right now, but who knows what tomorrow may bring…a commander may need to quit due to real life, a guild may decide to retire, a new influx of players could infuse themselves into another server…the balance of power is far too delicate for anyone to really take credit when their World is winning, or to shift blame when it is losing. What matters is the entire WvW community showing up day after day to fight. Our Worlds are defined by our opponents, just as much as it is by our allies.

LOL

With what you said about Amarathy, when I read what you said I’m hearing it in his voice, good times!

And fully agree with what you say in regards to opponents, they are the most important thing that makes WvW fun and they are to be respected.

I fully agree with this thread, Arenanet should remove Golems and Rams from the game seeing as they can’t last 30 seconds under a few arrow carts.

Remove Catapults and Ballistas as well, since their range is shorter than arrow carts and they are now redundant.

LetoII.3782:

sostronk.8167:

Tobias Steele.2071:

Magical Sky Daddy.7540:

Kript.3291:

score update please? watching JQ getting beat-up by BG warms my cold cold heart.

wth… if it wasn’t for us sor wouldn’t even be in tier 1. &JQ’s still winning so i don’t see what your trying to get at

What he’s trying to get is apart from your own server no one else likes jade quarry. You have destroyed a lot of servers through legitimate and illegitimate means alike and pretty much everyone hates you for it. You also created the bandwagon super server concept that every t1 server has to commit to just to stay competitive and avoid getting steam rolled.

Props to you for winning every week, just don’t expect to be universally loved for it.

Go bg!

I don’t like the whole mega ultra super dooper zerg server thing either. There have been servers stacked for a long time and JQ wasn’t the first to start this trend. At the end of the day its up to Anet to fix the issue and it could be fixed pretty easily. Maybe go share your anger about it with them.

Nah, it was on JQ to spread out a bit. But it was so much fun loafing to victory, why not just coast till another sos gets formed up? Maybe BG will be a more responsible overlord..

There will never be another SoS.

SoS was a unique server and one of the reasons for it’s success was it’s vast player base of Oceanics that was unlimited, unlike any other server.

It was in tier 2 in early GW2, but it’s American guilds abandoned the server for greener pastures, leaving the majority of SoS players with PvDoor in tier 3-4 and frustratingly the American servers that faced us also only saw our doors as we had no Americans.

It wasn’t until some of the most powerful NA guilds to ever be in GW2, came to SoS and rebuilt the NA from scratch that, this included AOI, Tsym from Dragonband and PRX one of the last TA guilds to transfer off HoD.

What we had then was an amazing friendly community, I don’t know what it is about Americans and Aussies, but they always seem to blend well together in online communities.

On SoS there was a real willingness to work together and professionalism in how we went about it. The high standards were brought from the new NA guilds, and they that helped improve the rest of the players on the server.

SoS was never stacked, every victory was hard earned, JQ evolved (FOO become a power) and adapted to SoS’s tactics and caught up, but it was the massive influx of transfers just before close of free transfers that killed the competition in tier 1.

JQ has never been even close to being challenged until a new look BG came back to tier 1. And even then overall it has been largely easy for JQ.

KN guilds transferring is really shaking up tier 1, I just hope that the competition is close, I don’t care who wins, I just want WvW to be interesting, and I’ve wanted this for a very long time now, even when I was on SoS and they were still winning.

Nuked.2360:

I’ll probably get trolled for this but I don’t see what the point of posting all these things that are negative about FOO. They won’t respond on public forums they will continue going about their business all you are doing is trying to slander them. It’s best to let FOO/Atm and all the mandarin guilds work their own stuff out instead of constantly posting about them on the forums. This is the one and only thing I will say about the mandarin guilds because I am doing what anyone respectable should and letting them work it out themselves.

Agreed,

FOO have been nothing but class both on and off the battlefield and have been one of the most dominating guilds to ever be in tier 1.

It’s poor form to kick a guild while it’s down, especially one as influential as FOO.

DevonCarver.5370:

VOLKON.1290:

DevonCarver.5370:

The timer works like this: When you deploy a siege site, if you don’t put supply into it for 2 minutes, it will despawn. Every time you put supply in, it will get a new timer of 5 minutes. Once siege is fully built, it has the 30 minute timer. That timer resets every time someone uses the weapon.

30 minutes? That’s it?

This patch seems to have put a lot of focus on making defending even harder than it has been, is that deliberate? Sure, arrow carts hurt more, but if you get there and they’ve all despawned, ouch.

The 30 minute timer is actually longer than it used to be. It also is visible now, which it did not used to be.

That’s not true.

Before this patch I could put down an arrow cart, have no-one touch it for 5 hours and it won’t despawn. And at other times it could despawn in 30 minutes, it was unpredictable. Nothing ever despawned before 30 minutes.

I’d prefer something like a 2 hour timer for arrow carts/catapults and ballistas, and 30 minutes for trebs.

Additionally, 2 minute despawn on unused construction sites is an insult to all of the dedicated siege builders out there.

Gone are the days I could throw an arrow cart in my own tower, build it, man it, guard it.

And the damage increase by arrow carts is just ridiculous, rams are now useless, you may as well remove rams from the game entirely.

Before this patch, 6 super carts shooting a gate, nothing could stand in it anyway…now you only need 3 carts to achieve the same…. Are we supposed to all rely on catapults and trebuchets that we can’t swirling wind protect anymore? How?

You can’t stand on gates, you can’t ram gates, you can’t golem gates, you can’t stop waypoints, you can’t protect your ranged siege.

Sorry but this is the most disappointing patch to date and if it is not reversed may kill WvW.

I think arrow carts were balanced before, now they’re just over powered…

And I’m a self proclaimed siege specialist.

sostronk.8167:

Cirus.5748:

Ross Biddle.2367:

CRO.7658:

Rogi.8720:

As for the “blobbing” well I guess when you wipe so much all the red looks like a blob when they run over your body.

Give us a little credit. After getting wiped so many times against superior numbers, we clung on and our Mexican commander Vuka chagned his tactics around.

Then it was SORs turn to get wiped. You then decided to log off as you knew we were going to take lake from you

As I recall, from an SoR point of view, everybody was either on, or well past their bed time. Commanders logged, troops logged, and then BG’s force (which had only grown) rolled over those that were left and went about PvDooring their way around SoR BL.

But you know, tell yourself whatever you want after back to back defeats if it makes you feel better.

I’m sorry but an Oceanic guild going to bed at 9pm AEST time means that either everyone is in primary school or they are teenagers/adults and that gave up after a few wipes.

Which one is less embarrassing?

Ill be in bed by about 8pm tonight. I work hard. I don’t find that embarrassing at all. I like to feel good at 5 oclock in the morning and being beautiful I need my beauty sleep.

That’s perfectly fine and understandable.

However the overwhelming majority of students and workers are active between 8:30am-6:00pm , I find it very hard to believe that the majority of a guild log off at 9pm.

Ross Biddle.2367:

CRO.7658:

Rogi.8720:

As for the “blobbing” well I guess when you wipe so much all the red looks like a blob when they run over your body.

Give us a little credit. After getting wiped so many times against superior numbers, we clung on and our Mexican commander Vuka chagned his tactics around.

Then it was SORs turn to get wiped. You then decided to log off as you knew we were going to take lake from you

As I recall, from an SoR point of view, everybody was either on, or well past their bed time. Commanders logged, troops logged, and then BG’s force (which had only grown) rolled over those that were left and went about PvDooring their way around SoR BL.

But you know, tell yourself whatever you want after back to back defeats if it makes you feel better.

I’m sorry but an Oceanic guild going to bed at 9pm AEST time means that either everyone is in primary school or they are teenagers/adults and that gave up after a few wipes.

Which one is less embarrassing?

Much respect Fannwong, I appreciate it.

The Kaineng transfers have also coincided with Waha retiring from WvW. I think this has really shaken up the SEA timezone and has made it a lot more even amongst all 3 servers.

JQ still have massive amounts of numbers and get the most PPT in SEA for now, but they’re lacking the sharp teeth that they used to have with Waha.

kyro.8162:

Zaganor.8390:

HIRE if you keep it up with that attitude you will never improve. Beating your enemy 2to 1 or 3 to 1 doesn’t require much skill. Bring it down a notch on the envy allrdy…

If you watch their video and pause at 0:53 and start counting the dots, you’ll realize that they didn’t have anywhere near 2 to 1 odds let alone 3 to 1. They might have had more, but it really is not by much considering several bg posters stated they had 30 themselves. (That 30 might be a under/over exaggeration as well)

You can’t count the dots because it’s a giant blob of it all on top of each other.

At about 1:00 when he turns around and you get a good look at the amount of bodies, there is about 40 people close to him, about 10 on his tail. When he turns around to push into the enemy, there is about 20 MERCS and 10 on their tail.

1.5-2 : 1 is fairly accurate.

There is nothing wrong with winning with superior numbers, WvW is all about exploiting the odds into your favour. However bragging about it on the forums is one of the saddest things you’ll ever see in WvW.

Out of curiousity, what timezone is HIRE based?

rofl at HIRE chest thumping, stop making me laugh!

If you’re going to chest thump, at least be significant before you do.

MERC + Allies taking a much needed time out on SoR BL

<3

Peetee.9406:

Jedbacca.6297:

Zen.8497:

Can somebody please post a score update?

I got ya covered from work lil’ buddy!

I like your asura, your armor looks awesome! So much more cuter than Cuddlestrike!

Nobody is cuter than Cuddlestrike!

Though that’s an epic score update ;D

8 people cannot take a tier 3 keep, it’s impossible unless.

There is no-one there to scout for 5 minutes, there is no-one to man the cannon/oil/siege for 5 minutes. Or there is no-one on the map full stop.

3 mesmers hazing 2 cannons and an oil will take them 5+ minutes to kill… if the golems are portaled to the gate while this is happening then I will happily man the cannon, and kill all the golems with several cannonballs.

What if they destroy the cannons and oil before they attack? Well that means you know they’re going to attack and you can tell everyone on the map about it as soon as you see the golems approaching.

Tier 3 keeps with heavy siege and people manning them are impossible to take, there is absolutely no other way to take these, except with a golem rush. There are key siege weapons that will counter a golem rush, but if you’re not willing to build and man them, that means you’re not willing to keep your structure. Why should you deserve to hold your keep if you’re not going to put any effort into it? The people building the golems, organizing portals and having 50 people escort them are certainly putting in the effort. And they can easily be countered if you put a little bit of effort in yourself.

The element of surprise is the most important thing in a golem rush, and if you see it coming and you are prepared, they will fail, no matter how hard they worked for it.

Golems are perfectly fine and they add another dimension to the game.

Sleepyy.1598:

Talentless.5708:

SOR = Has the best guilds on there.
BG = camp/tower huggers united during NA prime.
JQ = boring, Endless hordes, 30 man havoc squads, SF continually getting wiped by TSYM at garrison the other day.

Hi there Sleepy, good to see you again mate :)

You’re perhaps one of the best ram builders I’ve ever seen.

CuddleStrike.8215:

Burl.9567:

CuddleStrike.8215:

Score Update my loves!

Look how awake my character is! Even though it is 5am here…..

cries
GO GO GO GO!

That much caffeine isn’t good for you. I’m telling ya.

I’ve had nothing but water! No idea why I’m still awake… yawns

borders always help me get to sleep!

CuddleStrike.8215:

Score Update my loves!

Look how awake my character is! Even though it is 5am here…..

cries
GO GO GO GO!

Awwwww,

Asurans are so cute!

This has been an awesome match up so far, great fights tonight, good luck to all 3 servers for the rest of the week!

Where would we be without borders…

CuddleStrike.8215:

Cirus,

Borders,

That is all!

Also, fun watching JQ and BG fighting!

BIG Borders! ;D

Very fun fights tonight, a shoutout to JQ that kept hitting hills on JQ BL!

Hoots.9564:

Renny.6571:

It’s a good thing EMP and TW are coming to DB with us.

lol TW is staying on SoR, our bag quota simply would never be meet on a t3 server.

You may as well be open with the truth now, the decisions have already been made.

You have to tell them sooner or later.

wish.3102:

Lalnuir.4957:

Robot Chocken.7012:

Notice the circle to the left where no one is on the lower left and who is on the lower right. That circle was there taking out an ac. Saw it in EB as well form the same guild last night. Help US Stop Zoom Hacking!

Not saying you are lying but do you have screen shots from other angles? At least one with the arrows from the arrow cart?

Your screen shot doesn’t prove that the circle on the left came from the arrow cart and not someone who is off screen. Arrow carts are generally built where that one is to kill enemy arrow carts that are behind the gate by seeing through the hole in the top.

Does my SS prove anything? I mean you can even see the arrows coming down in it.. But fir rilz, where do you stick an arrow cart outside that door that can drop the center of the red circle behind the guy on the arrow cart for JQ in front of the green door?

It’s definitely happening and it’s a shame how opportunistic players can be to exploit.

Thankfully it will be gone by the end of the month. In the mean time this has changed my siege placement techniques until this problem goes away.

Caliban.3176:

Nuked.2360:

Caliban.3176:

Cirus.5748:

<3 VotF!

And tell Wrench I miss his accent :P

Seeing as you know Wrench you can definitely attest to our influence on a borderland.

Also if we are such a non-factor why would people even mention us?

Cirus wasn’t talking bad about VoTF. He was just trying to lighten the mood from what I can tell. Krygg is the one with VoTF hate.

I know, it is my fault, I should have been clearer. Only the first part was meant for Cirus.

Yep, I knew what you meant

<3 VotF!

And tell Wrench I miss his accent :P