Guild Wars 2

Seigfried.5938:

Cirus.5748:

Due to the favourable draw that was handed to JQ, I propose that we keep them in 3rd place whenever possible, to try and make the league closer and more interesting

Once the weekdays start, their stacked SEA will kick in

SoR is either lacking the common sense to do so or is blinded by hatred.

I trust SoR to play for 1st and to try and keep JQ in 3rd

If they don’t, then they have no chance at winning the league due to the easy fixtures that JQ has, a luxury that hasn’t been afforded to SoR or BG

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/WvW-Season-1-Schedule

Due to the favourable draw that was handed to JQ, I propose that we keep them in 3rd place whenever possible, to try and make the league closer and more interesting

Once the weekdays start, their stacked SEA will kick in

Being on the 3rd strongest server for coverage in Gold League, I had no expectations to win it, but at least I thought we could get an interesting competition going.

However I did not expect an uneven draw with Jade Quarry getting 3 free wins.

There are 10 unique match ups? Then have the season go for 10 matches, it’s not hard. That’s only 3 more games.

Goodluck and have fun everyone! Let’s hope for a tight competition

Nuked.2360:

Cuddlepie.8109:

sil.4160:

matches where its was JQ vs BG vs lower tier server
week23, BG win by 111k
week36, BG win by 66k
week38, BG win by 33k (this was 4 weeks ago)

matches where its was SOR vs BG vs lower tier server
week29, BG win by 88k
week30, , BG win by 46k
week31, BG win by 22k
week39, SOR win by 65k (this was 3 weeks ago)

If you’re interested in history, you might want to consider it a little more widely:
JQ: 19 Gold, 17 Silver, 19 Bronze. Total medals = 55
BG: 14 Gold, 11 Silver, 14 Bronze. Total 39
SoR: 8 Gold, 20 silver, 9 Bronze. total = 37.

And for this week’s match where it’s JQ vs BG vs lower tiered server, it’s just midweek and JQ is 48K ahead.

JQ can’t claim historical victimhood with any credibility.

You proved our point you guys have almost as much gold medals we just have a metric ton of silver/bronze medals almost the same amount as golds.

Which point was proved exactly? That BG and JQ have an even spread of medals while in tier 1? Or that both servers are victims of being the underdog because they have more Golds than any other server?

If anything the medal tally shows that SoR are the true underdogs. They have more Silvers than Gold and Bronze combined, yet have stayed strong and consistent throughout

magikfox.9658:

Aussie Rules… What a joke!

:P

Le Rooster.8715:

Cirus.5748:

Le Rooster.8715:

MagiKarp.8201:

Le Rooster.8715:

Would be a shame if a large and prominant guild moved from one certain t1 server to another certain t1 server.

Hey Rooster,

We broke up over 6 months ago, I know it’s not been easy for you, but you must get over us. For your own health please move on we don’t want to have to get a restraining order.

Dem crazy ex-gfs

Who said i was talking about MERC loll?

I’ve haven’t seen you post in the tier 1 thread within the last 6 months without mentioning or alluding to MERC.

Sometimes you just gotta get over it and move on, son.

The Ego is strong in this one.

Ego has nothing to do with anything, an unhealthy obsession would be more on topic.

Le Rooster.8715:

MagiKarp.8201:

Le Rooster.8715:

Would be a shame if a large and prominant guild moved from one certain t1 server to another certain t1 server.

Hey Rooster,

We broke up over 6 months ago, I know it’s not been easy for you, but you must get over us. For your own health please move on we don’t want to have to get a restraining order.

Dem crazy ex-gfs

Who said i was talking about MERC loll?

I’ve haven’t seen you post in the tier 1 thread within the last 6 months without mentioning or alluding to MERC.

Sometimes you just gotta get over it and move on, son.

Prophet.1038:

Blob of the day ~ Brought to you by MERC

That’s only 20 people

Order is restored, resume trolling!

LOL, such a fail

Zagan.5287:

MERC according to bg forums are staying in BG BL. too much pride.
List of guilds leaving according to BG forums:
1.)ONS
2.)RISE
3.)ND
4.)WM
5.)ESOL
6.)Coming Soon

You can add Icoa and GoF to that list.

Credit to Zagan for trying to spice up the thread, tier 1 thread has been pretty uneventful of late.

Robot Chocken.7012:

So BG does not have a keep in their BL and a full queue in JQ. Yeah….;.

The best form of defence

Babblechew.8409:

SykkoB.9465:

Babblechew.8409:

Smokee.1754:

assasin of warr.9517:

we as IRON wanna gvg HB. But HB dont wanna instead they go to forums to say they are outnummberd. kinda weird. (btw smokey you should practice your maths sometimes your 15-18 ppl look kinda big)

I dont know why I bother, but here you go:

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I like ur whispers to waha
No need to know that Language to know what he’s typing to you! :P

i see him talking to waage not waha, and wage is on BG. Defending a bg what am i doing :P

Oooo !
Oops my bad :/ Pretty late here.

And the language was Danish

MagiKarp.8201:

Fuzzion.2504:

Esqi.8496:

I also find it funny with all the chest pumping SOR does about how it’s respectful and doesn’t pay for guilds etc. I was still on JQ when TW transferred for a week or 2 when SOR dropped down to T2. Sure it was for better fights, but to ask or demand that JQ pay for their transfer? Quite funny actually. The post is still there, sitting in the JQ leadership section with Indo’s requests.

I enjoy GW2, I enjoy the fights from all servers.. but seriously these threads are just….

In relation to gold buying guilds :-

In general, JQ is not in the business of buying guilds. However, individual guilds are at free liberty to do what they like.

JQ’s recruitment’s driving force is to get guilds that want to join a server that can remain loyal to the JQ server. It is for these reason why we have the strongest core guild and players. In the end this will benefit all guilds in JQ.

Whilst we understand and are aware that gold is being flashed to guilds to transfer over, the Wagon mentality has caused so many servers to crash in the end.

-HoD
-SBI
-SoS
-DB

Are just some of the examples.

Fuzzion you are completely wrong on this point.

SoS fell not because it was a bandwagon but because it was the exact opposite.

SoS had good even coverage and it’s guilds were ahead of the meta of the time, but was dependent completely on; AoI, Agg, FoE, Tysm, MERC.

But it fell down when 2/4 main NA guilds abandoned it, leading to a severely outnumbered NA timezone and a Oc timezone logging in to -90 ppt (paper) only to be outmanned 4:1 on every map come SEA.

To mention the mega stack that JQ was becoming at the time and basically half of SoS had to go BG to even begin to possibly counter how large JQ had become. It took quite a while for BG to get it’s first win against JQ and was months later before BG began to be able to win again. I would say JQ’s transfers destroyed SoS, not this mythic “bandwagon effect”.

@Fannwong – WM vs MERC vs FoO was the T1 dynamic back when SBI fell, I believe it was the removal of WM from this dynamic which was the fall of SBI. Indeed was not any form of “bandwagon” I find it hypocritical of a JQer to call any server a bandwagon server.

REF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqIV6oFL2w0

This video shows what happened to SBI every day when SBI was imploding.

100% agree with your points, don’t forget there was also ND (newly arrived), AFS, OCX, ZN, Fang, DoP, some TS (shadow of them former selves), and a few other guilds.

I wish PRX came back home to SoS after their European adventure
If they returned to a competition, they might not have retired so fast.

Jahn vs Magikarps

A clash of the mega trolls! ;D

Kizzarse.8024:

Well WvWvW in theory sounds good but if this goes on ppl will get bored and turned off with this 2v1 crap. Anet should give the server getting 2v1 a big buff to prevent such things from happening this is an immediate patch needed. Otherwise, the game before crap for 1 server.

Get used to it.

Arenanet aren’t going to change the rules just to suit you. WvWvW has been out for a year and the 2v1 is a great way of balancing the matchup.

Normally it’s driven by the need to bring down the strongest server.

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

Tarkus.4109:

When we do overtime into EU SoR usually has lowest ppt, which is one of SoRs strongest timezones – shows how weak IRON is.

Weak? Nah, we dont have those numbers you all think.

Tarkus.4109:

as I have seen IRON run 60+ people as well

You never saw 60 IRON in wvw in NA, its a lie. And its kinda sad if you are “stating” things like that.

GvG anyone ? Whisp/mail me.

Normally when I see IRON during SEA or Early EU, they have 10-20 members, sometimes they will be leading some SoR pugs but usually their combined forces are no more than 40 people, which is a lot less than say 50-60 people that some guilds run. (e.g 30+ guild members with 30 pugs)

I think IRON are a very skilled guild and when the numbers in an engagement are even , they win the majority of the time.

Respect to IRON for constantly punching above their weight.

CuddleStrike.8215:

Score Update!

Welcome Paaaaaaannnnnnda! And my long lost brother Silverbottle

LOL!

So adorable

Jahn.7019:

If you care about those, then go for it. But as of now, there’s 2 schools of WvWers.

The PPT focused and the Fight focused.

The solution to this dilemma

Thanks for your responses Sync and Fannwong, it’s much appreciated.

From a BG perspective, we can only speculate about what goes on at your server without really knowing for sure, so that’s why I’ve asked.

Fannwong your explanation probably makes the most sense as I also noticed the same thing occur. And you’re spot on, there’s no shame in it, it happens to all servers. Many people love a winner.

NYS having latency issues would also have a major impact on SoR’s SEA presence.

I have another question, do some of SoR’s NA guilds like to put in over time during some SEA nights? Sometimes we will see 10-20 of an NA guild running during SEA time. For some reason people on this forum like to use “over time” as an insult, but I believe it’s a compliment as it shows that they are dedicated and are willing to fight hard for their server.

Jahn.7019:

BG queues all 4 maps regularly during SEA.

That’s from your own servermates.

This was just another day for BG.

I don’t think anyone has ever said that BG regularly queues all 4 maps during SEA.

I did say a couple of weeks ago that sometimes it can happen during the weekdays, but it’s not often. I play during SEA almost every night and I’ve experienced all 4 map queues that have occurred around 5 times during the last 2 months. So you can say that it happens one night every ~ 2 weeks on average.

I often have to change maps every 20 minutes, so I know how full the maps are, on a regular night we’ll have 1 or 2 borderlands that are either empty or can fit a float team of 40+ people in them.

The amount of people during BG SEA depends on how many PvX guilds are playing, some of these guilds tag up 1-3 times a week, sometimes they don’t tag up at all.

I have also observed a few times of SoR being capable of fielding forces of 60+ people in 3 maps during oceanic and past primetime SEA. Why this doesn’t happen every night? Perhaps someone with an unbiased viewpoint could explain it to me.

Blackgate is definitely a Humvee.

Look at it!

It’s a beast, it’s bulky and it guzzles gas like it’s a blackhole, it’s unsustainable!

Mance.5640:

Liquid.9672:

Oh before I forget, I had a good chuckle on SoRBL last night watching what went down while we were there. SoR trebs our spawn tower from Hills, and when the wall is low JQ sets up Catas to finish the job. Before coming in SoR comes over and wipes JQ. While that’s happening we dump supply into the wall. So SoR sets up three trebs to work the wall down again. So the JQ zerg comes over and smashes right into the SoR zerg. As they’re clashing I see one single /shrug emote from an SoR player lol. Cracked me up.

We lost the tower in the end but it was fun to watch from the battlement. JQ’s goal was a BG tower (probably because we kitten ed you off for flipping your spawn tower) but nobody can say they don’t hit SoR. Then again, I think Joker from [Pro] was tagged up so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

I was pinned and so was Joker. Here is what happened from our POV. We land on the BL start scrapping with TW n Friends, eventually take bay as BG is pushing hills and SoR can’t stop us both. With BG pushing the east we begin to push the west.

BG loses the fight for hills, so rather than continue to push up the east while we push SoR on the west, BG as usual decides to back door JQ at our spawn tower. SG and PRO with a collective sigh of “how dumb can BG be” begin to farm BG. Lake tower is being trebbed and the wall is almost down at some point so we start catapulting it. As BG due to their stupidity needs to leave the map. We get the wall down and before we can wipe BG, the SoR map zerg hits us from behind and takes out our siege. Then they build 3 trebs to finish Lake. Just to be jerks back we bum rush their trebs. SoR recovers shortly after and finishes Lake. The end result is BG leaves the map as SoR and JQ wipe them out. Soon after it grows late and most of our guilds have to log. Leaving BG no points and SoR still steadily gaining points for first place.

In summation: You had become an annoyance to SG/Pro and the SoR map zerg as we were having a jolly time bashing each other.

Sounds like very foolish play from Blackgate in that situation

renmei.3102:

SOR definitely needs a few more asian and oceanic wvw guilds, but is certainly stacked in both NA and EU and needs no more guilds in those timezones. I hope even the BG and JQ trolls can agree on this -__-

The problem is, that between October and February, all the tier 1 servers had 18/7 coverage. They all had their weak zones where they could not even fill 1 map for a major portion (several hours) of a 24 hour day. It was like a combination of rock, paper and scissors.

The end of free transfers saw a massive amount of guilds stacking onto Jade Quarry, giving it the first superior 24/7 coverage since HoD had TA.

Blackgate stacked itself to match Jade Quarry.

Sanctum of Rall stacked itself to match Blackgate

Blackgate then stacked itself again to match Sanctum of Rall

Sanctum of Rall stacked itself again to match Blackgate

It’s a vicious cycle, one that I never wish never happened. But as far as blaming who’s fault it is, you don’t need to go any further than have a look at your own server who started the 24/7 super stacking server trend.

I hope Jade Quarry can recruit more guilds to “equal” SoR and BG, but the problem is that it’s happening at the expense of all the lower tiers, tier 2 used to be very close to tier 1, now they are miles apart.

There is an unquenchable thirst now for the tier 1 servers to have superior 24/7 coverage, anything less isn’t enough!

Azure.8412:

Paxi.1386:

So its 2:50 am server time, and SoR is at 350ppt……..what was that about not having an Oceanic presence again?

I reckon it’s cause of MERC’s late start. MERC is BG’s main force. Without MERC, things are pretty much PvDoor for SoR. Same thing can be said for MERC when HIRE doesn’t show up. We have a couple of drunk NA playing too. That’s why.

MERC cannot do it alone , there are 4 maps and we can only be in 1 place at a time (except when we divide ourselves into 3 maps)

It’s because of guilds that fight every night like ND, WM and CA that MERC is allowed the freedom to roam in the BL’s, and then there are the PvX guilds like Thai, XF, Urge and NOC that sometimes play, and there are NA guilds such as Icoa who stay up all night and play into Oceanic with us every night, then there is HB and RK in EU , etc And there are new arrivals such as TKG

MERC only get around ~100 PPT when they are literally the only guild tagged up, it’s a credit to the Blackgate Oceanic/SEA and early EU communities that we are able to work so well for each other. And even though I don’t play with EU, EST and PST, I know they do a great job for Blackgate

This match up has been very tight in recent weeks, there have been amazing fights and turn arounds 24/7 around the clock. My only regret is that Jade Quarry don’t quite have the coverage to match both SoR and BG. I wish they had more guilds to turn tier 1 into a serious 3 way.

Shout out to guilds such as IRON, ATM and HIRE who always bring the pain with them every time they play. WvW would be boring if we didn’t fight tough opponents.

Kryyg.8576:

A couple of the old FIRE SEA guys transferred to BG recently and they also said BG queues all 4 maps during SEA.

Explains the ppt to be honest, nothing to be ashamed of. Just interesting.

You’re right, on some nights BG SEA has queues on all 4 maps, not just on weekends but sometimes on weekdays.

Usually MERC is able to float across maps though and 2-3 maps are queued (during the week), but not always. There is a large number of Asian PvX guilds on Blackgate, whether they play or not has a large say in how in how much we can fill the maps.

Offski.4897:

Let me sumarise the last few pages:

1. T1 is actually very competitve and close – but lets troll and moan on the forums.

2. Its ok for SoR to have a 50-100 ppt, but if this happens to jq or bg then its because Sor has recruited too much.

3. Only SoR does pvd, as long as Sor holds 1/2 keeps over all four maps then jq & bg are not pvd’ing.

4. Jq & bg never work in coordination with one another, this is a myph, even if they do not attack one another for hours on end on occasion.

5. SoR exploit…everything.

6. Although Jq and Bg have face rolled t1 for months at a time, there were no inequalities in coverage at these times, only when Sor scrapes wins.

7. SoR is only successful because it blobs, jq and bg don’t blob, in fact miraculously all sor guilds run together on all maps at the same time.

8. Jq and bg are permanently outmannned.

9. In Oceanic and Sea times coverage is even on all servers, in fact sor probably has the advantage in numbers, but the skills of jq & bg come to the fore at this time……

10. Inequalities in coverage are only acceptable if they benefit bg and/or jq.

In conclusion If you can’t beat them on the field lets flame on forums.

Looking forward to the replies, sadly i cannot play due to my crap ISP atm so can only forum warr to get any entertainment from this weeks match up.

Agreed! lol

Alot of the crying, whinging and accusations on these forums about SoR can be summed up in your post.

However, you can make a post just as long as what people say about Blackgate.

Tier 1 forums have also been full of crying and chest thumping, the last time when there was any sense of mutual respect towards opponents on the forums in tier 1 was back when Sea of Sorrows was winning back in November. Most guilds on SoS had a strict no trolling policy and the guild leaders always posted positive PR

Personally, all I want from tier 1 is a tight contest with round the clock fights, and this contest is very tight and it’s round the clock!

Good luck out there!

Pixelninja.6971:

A BG Whistleblower send me a Top Secret BG-Strategy-paper:

“If SOR is ahead, then Warriors and Mesmers group up and start farming COF to pay for guild-transfers.

Build 10 Superior ACs at every tower and keep and wait for SOR to charge in.

TOP SECRET – Eyes only"

I can’t read this and keep a straight face, well played LOL

This match up is still very close, just like last week.

wish.1027:

About eyefinity.
It’s easy to tell if someone is using eyefinity/windowed mode or blatantly cheating with a zoom hack. The position of the AC and where it is shooting will tell you everything. If the AC is not against the wall pretty close to where it’s shooting on top of, it’s a zoom hack. Want to see for yourself? Switch to windowed mode and make your window super short and long, and go stand next to a wall and see how far up you can shoot.

you’re 100% spot on

Masamoon.3864:

benjamin.5346:

I do not allow FEAR to post on the forums, we do not feed anything not related to the match up. I will state that we do have several members that use eyefinity, including myself. We have been called out in the past for arrow carts, where most of the time it has been one arrow cart close to the wall and another either closer to the gate or one on a higher level further back. It is a standard tactic for us to place a decoy cart. I have shown several people in game in game what we do.

That being said, this occurrence is a legitimate concern of my guild. I do not air my dirty laundry, and I respect the fact that this is a match up thread and should be kept clean from this. I am dealing with the issue now to the best of my ability. I apologize for this.

I will not reply to this post nor will any other FEAR member, if you would like to talk about it, please whisper or mail me in game.

To clarify, I share your concern. I am dealing with this problem.

^ Is a FEAR Leader, please read before you make your comments BG forum kittens. Cirus, i’d respect you and your guild more if you guys didn’t make postsl ike that, but hey, when in doubt, blame it on cheating amirite?

I am well aware of that post, he admits that he and several of his members use eyefinity. He attempts to explain that they use a decoy cart. But it makes absolutely no sense, why would you waste supply on a “decoy” cart and the video shown in this thread proves that there are no other arrow carts in the vicinity of the inner west hills gate, and the throneroom that are capable of having the camera angle to shoot inside these areas other than the supposed “decoy cart” locations.

I have proof of 2 SoR players glitching through a reinforced gate and taking advantage of it during a 50+ man attack, I was the scout inside the tower that I had been inside for many hours. But I am not allowed to post it in the public forum, if you want to see it, you can pm me and I’ll send you a link.

I am always happy to give the benefit of the doubt and assume that cheating does not exist. To be honest I thought arrow cart zoom hacking only occurred during the SAB month (the boss camera glitch) and it was a thing of the past, I didn’t know it still existed and I assumed that the pinpoint shooting of siege weapons inside was always done legitimately and I just didn’t have an understanding of it (giving the benefit of the doubt).

There is also another guild in question, whom someone from SoR has informed us that one of their commanders has duped 500 omega golem blueprints. (arenanet have since fixed the source of the exploit) It sounds absurd but it’s very hard to explain how 1 certain guild can build 3-10 omega golems every night. If you have ever commanded or been part of a very large WvW guild before, you will realise that doing this every night is unsustainable and costs an insane amount of alpha golems (1 gold or 100 wvw badges each for an alpha, or x 5 for the omega). It’s unaffordable yet they are building them in large numbers every night for the past few weeks as if they are disposable. Either this guild has won the lottery or the informant was telling the truth.

I’m very disappointed in your response Masamoon, rather than sharing concern at what’s happening, you attempt to make a mockery of me.

Tarkus.4109:

Azure.8412:

Similar…
OCX – 10 – Occasional Raids
AFS – 10-20 Daily Raids
NYS – 15-30 Occasional Raids
SAHP – 15-20 Occasional Raids
SONG – 10+
HIRE – 20-30 Daily Raids but rarely ever go into SEA
(TSYM – 15)
(IRON – Early EU – 15-20)

BG, ON the other hand…
MERC – 30-40 Daily and venture into SEA as well (15-20 Oceanic; 20-25 SEA; 15 EU; Consistent)
WM – 15-20 (15-20; may play in NA so not play in SEA)
ND and ND – 30+(20-30 SEA; Consistent)
Urge – 20-30 (~15-20; SEA; Doesn’t play every night)
CA – 20-30 (~15-20 CA; late NA-SEA; consistent)
XF – 25-30 (~20 SEA; Consistent)
Thai – 20-30 (15-20; Occasionally raids into EU; not generally running in SEA)

Equal, definitely, considering sometimes SAHP and NYS don’t even go on raids.

Corrected in Brackets, everyone presumes numbers are higheer than they really are considering the length of red names. You also have to consider PuGs as well, as SoR is known for having NA militia stay up, for example TSYM and having NA get up early (TW). Same thing happens in BG to a degree, I’m not going to dispute it – but everyone likes to play the underdog and I think SoRs oceanic/SEA need to stop thinking that they are somehow outmanned when they run map zergs.

Last Wednesday night in Oceanic primetime, SoR had 3 maps with a 50-60+ force pushing or defending on EB, SoR BL, and BG BL, simultaneously. We know this because our maps are in constant communication with each other.This is at approximately 9:00pm at +10 GMT (AEST) or 4am PST.

The Oceanic and SEA coverage on Sanctum of Rall is at least as formidable as Blackgate’s. Since IRON has joined SOR, the morale of SoR has been high and SoR has had large turn outs every night, being able to fill 2-3 maps, just like Blackgate.

Krypty.3897:

Cirus.5748:

Kryyg.8576:

Is most of MERC unemployed?

Not a jab, just curious.

MERC is a guild with over 300 active members from all over the world, a large section of the members are from America, Australia/New Zealand, Asia and some are from Europe. It has over 10 active WvW commanders that tag up on a weekly basis.

Its members are committed WvW’ers and will fight as hard as they can for the server.

Join MERC!

While I won’t be joining MERC as i am in RISE – we <3 you guys. Looks like you guys are doing great today.

Thanks!

MERC<3 RISE as well!

All the guilds on Blackgate have been doing an amazing job!

Still 44 hours left in this match up.

Warlord.9074:

I’m noticing a decline in normal attendance this week from SoR. I could list a bunch of excuses as to why that is but I’m sure that is the case on the other servers as well. BG just seems to want to win this week so GG BG on your victory this week you guys really earned it this time.

This matchup is over half way, still a long way to go and the scores are so tight, it’s a fascinating contest!

Great fights from SoR and JQ this week, this is what WvW is all about!

Kryyg.8576:

Is most of MERC unemployed?

Not a jab, just curious.

MERC is a guild with over 300 active members from all over the world, a large section of the members are from America, Australia/New Zealand, Asia and some are from Europe. It has over 10 active WvW commanders that tag up on a weekly basis.

Its members are committed WvW’ers and will fight as hard as they can for the server.

Join MERC!

covenn.7165:

We really need to come up with new stuff to complain about in our threads. Zerging, 2v1, blobbing (and most of you don’t even use the term right) ……week in and out. Need some new subject matter.

We can complain about the other servers always relying on arrow carts, and that’s the only reason they win!

But not on my server of course! My server is the only server that doesn’t rely on them.

How’s that for new subject matter? :P

kyro.8162:

Tarkus.4109:

kyro.8162:

Gonna steal this idea.
Score Update:
QQ
JQ: 0
SoR:0
BG:2

Chest thumping
JQ: 0
SoR: 0
BG: 2

This is nothing more than troll-bait as its just a running “no true scotsman” fallacy as the poster can easily say what is QQ/Chest thumping and I could say the very same of a lot of SoR posters already. Its just another way for specific SoR posters to be obnoxious on the forums , even the TC match-up was full of the same venom. As for example, this post would not be counted as QQ by the OP if it was posted by a guy on SoR, but most likely since I am on BG it will be seen as QQ. I respect the guys who try be good sports, but there are some guys that just give a bad view of a lot of servers – especially when its full on venom straight off the bat. Everyone here speaks for themselves only and not as a guild or server, so take everything you see here with a grain of salt.

Regardless, the match-up should be fun – we’ll see you in the BL’s, it wouldn’t be the old T1 match-up without the challenge.

So you are saying I have the “no true scotsman” fallacy for the fact that I can interpret certain things as QQ and others as chest thumping. Yet here you are stating “Its just another way for specific SoR posters to be obnoxious on the forums , even the TC match-up was full of the same venom.” You do realize that your opinion of these venomous posts is in fact a unreasoned assertion. What you see as venomous posts by SPECIFIC SoR posters can in fact be seen in a different sense as well. My question to you is this: If this was posted by someone from your guild, would you still hold the same opinion about it than one from me?
Based on your post, isn’t your post itself running the same “no true scotsman” fallacy as mine?
Since you considered a post following this fallacy as a troll bait, wouldn’t that make your post a troll bait as well?

Excellent points!

Every post here is made by an individual, and is not representative of an entire server.

If people are going to use the No True Scotsman fallacy, can they at least apply it to the positive posts as well so that we can say “All the SoR players have a great sense of humour and are great opponents!”, “All Blackgate posters are good sports and are fun to play against!”

:P

Wrex.6798:

That was an amazing day in JQ border, MERC on one side, ATM on the other…. Really some of the most epic and fun commanding I’ve had the pleasure of doing. Big shout out to all the Rallians that ran with us IRON’s throughout the day, you guys were amazing.

As it stands we still hold bay, I really thought we’d lose it when we pushed out onto the wall and wiped JQ only to turn around to a sea of MERC!!! Seriously very epic stuff from all three servers. Props to all involved.

//Wrex

Absolutely! The fighting in there was fierce and insane! Full scale 70 vs 70’s!

Thanks IRON and ATM for the fun night!

I posted this in the other match up, but it also applies here :P

If there is one thing that this match up has taught me, is how stacked the tier 1 servers are compared to tier 2.

Match ups like this are going to be very common from now on, I think we’d all have more fun if some of the guilds on tier 1 servers moved to DB, TC, SoS, and FA.

If you’re an American guild in look for a new home, Sea of Sorrows has a very small American population, by far the smallest of the top 7 servers. But it is still the unofficial Oceanic Server, and despite several server splits in the past, it still has a very large and friendly Oceanic player base.

Fort Aspenwood, Dragonband and Tarnished Coast could benefit from a few American guilds as well as SEA.

If there is one thing that this match up has taught me, is how stacked the tier 1 servers are compared to tier 2.

Match ups like this are going to be very common from now on, I think we’d all have more fun if some of the guilds on tier 1 servers moved to DB, TC, SoS, and FA.

If you’re an American guild in look for a new home, Sea of Sorrows has a very small American population, by far the smallest of the top 7 servers. But it is still the unofficial Oceanic Server, and despite several server splits in the past, it still has a very large and friendly Oceanic player base.

Fort Aspenwood, Dragonband and Tarnished Coast could benefit from a few American guilds as well as SEA.

magikfox.9658:

I think MERC is one of the only guilds left who do /laugh after taking a keep. Every single time they’ve managed to take a keep or tower, my chat is polluted with “Blackgate Soldier laughs with you” blah blah blah. It could be the pugs following you guys, I’m not sure, but honest to god, it’s such a bad look when it happens. Now, I’m not sure if you’ve had it done to you by other guilds or zergs or what not, but yeah, if I may take an exert from your own recruitment form:

+ …how we conduct ourselves off the battlefield is very important.

+ Respectful to our guild members, server allies and even rival opponents.

Now, I’m not sure if this is something encouraged by your commanders, or something the odd member does. You could blame it on the pugs but I haven’t experienced this with any other BG guild or pug zerg. But yeah, I know you guys have that reputation of being trolly from your original GM, Jedas. But just letting you know how freaking petty this /laugh stuff is. lol.

If it’s 10-20 laughs, then it probably is MERC. But if it’s just 1 or a few, then most of the time it isn’t.

Normally if we’re ordered to do something, we all do it , normally with a /wave /bow or a /dance, I play with MERC nightly and I’ve never been involved in a situation where we’ve been told to laugh at an opposing guild, and when it has been suggested, the idea gets shut down pretty quickly.

It is not uncommon for some of our opponents to do a mass /laugh though, and that’s their choice. It’s not going to keep me awake at night.

xeang.3650:

salluks.6017:

Sacrx.6721:

How is US t1 now?. Any guilds actually running in 20-30 man or is it all on 1 commander 24/7 60-100 man blobs all week?. Making usual excuse for being bad its not gvg its wvw… From reading first few pages seems fair few guilds interested in some GvG. How are the EU hours?. How is the lag etc?.

If u thought VS blobs on EU, u should see MERC and ATM here, they practically lag the whole BL with the skill delay.

but i haven’t faced any lag, and nobody has has complained of skill delay so far except while fighting ATM/MERC at their prime time.

but if ur looking at GVG with EU standards, u will be disappointed. the difference is a clear mile.

still sulking about the RARE appearance of ATM on SoR BL……

well, we apologize about you guys losing the garrison yesterday, you guys got a full que(according to SoR, they did try hard) defending your fully upgraded garrison with a 10 second skill lag and we saw the SoR post about how it would be impossible for BG and JQ to take it under that lag… so ATM and Ge merely want to farm that full que running into the LR held by MERC and ND…. and we only want to farm it for a bit… so we’re sorry it became a 2 hours farm according to SoR posts, time flies

be honest, ATM fights MERC and ND every day for god knows how long and NYS + SAHP backdoor us every day and no one complains on the forum like your 20 SoR posts right after that garrison farm…

this is why we like fighting MERC and ND because they are the only guilds that fights us again and again on open field, they don’t complain about getting wiped or 2v1ed and they don’t leave the map after 1 wipe or straight up avoid ATM map during T1 oceanic.

we have nothing but respect for MERC and ND, sometimes we wiped them and sometime they wipe us, everyone gets plenty of badges…(we do find fighting BG is much more fun and profitable than SoR oceanic that hides in fully upgraded and fully sieged keeps, we really don’t have the patience to treb SoR keeps with full que defending it…. not with our short 4 hour operation time.

but rest assured, ATM and Ge is back on BGBL today, and we had fun with MERC and ND, and we got our once a day visit from NYS and SAHP as usual =)

Well spoken, friend!

Much respect to ATM and we feel the same way as you :)

Caedus.6571:

Starscream.7803:

AnAltruisticEgoist.5476:

Garrison capped.
SoR got double teamed.
Good times, good times …

2 hours to double team and cap garrison during SoR’s weakest timezone? Good times? i would be embarrassed.

Fixed that for you.

On a full map with 240 people inside 1 location where casting skills and killing players that run into the circle is excessively slow when the defenders use 1700 supply on arrow carts and closing gates?

Not embarrassing at all.

It’s natural for the invaders to push north, happens on every borderland.

What double team?

I was inside Garrison the whole time and didn’t see any Jade Quarry.

Indeed, but we’re not comparing #1 of tier 1 vs #1 of tier 2, we are comparing #3 in tier 1 vs #1 of tier 2, is that gap really that substantial? If there is a gap, it is because the tiers have been so isolated apart from each other for so long. This would help bridge the gaps

Example, I have noticed that different tiers have different strategies and tactics. When they are faced against each other, the loser is forced to adapt the tactics of the winner, or at least a counter. If Tarnished Coast were to come to tier 1 for a week only to finish 3rd, then they will go back to tier 2 as a more experienced server compared to when they left, and if TC start using these tactics against their tier 2 opponents, the other tier 2 servers will have no choice but to also adapt to those tactics and the information will spread! When TC go back to tier 1 a 2nd time, they will be a better server than compared to when they first saw tier 1.

Also, FIFA teams have different skill levels that is correct, but the skill of the players correlates to how much money the club has. The objective of a newly promoted team in football is to stay afloat in their new tier, and the objective of a demoted team is to get back up to the tier they came from. Which is no different to the aim of every WvW server.

SykkoB.9465:

did u really expect a different outcome ? ppl whined for months wanting random match up well u got them . now we r all gonna have kitten matches from time to time killing wvw

all anet had to do was winner move up losers down and everyone woulda been happy

I have made a thread detailing how this would actually play out

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/These-mismatches-are-a-major-worry-for-WvW/first#post2134194

It’s all we need, it’s so simple yet effective!

If it’s good enough for FIFA and UEFA, I’m sure it’s good enough for Arenanet.

Problem:

A tier 4 server is fighting in tier 2 and can hardly breath, one of the strongest servers in t2 are matched against a t4 and a t3 server with the scores being a total blow out.

The weekend is when things are at their tightest, the gaps between these servers in scorelines will only get larger as the week progresses.

Getting rid of stale matchups is a brilliant initiative, it is something that I have been asking for since last December. However this has not been thought through properly.

We need variation, but we don’t want horrible mismatches, there is a simple solution that I have been stating this entire time.

Solution:

My solution is like European football, every tier has promotion and relegation. Top of the table (1st) gets promotion, bottom of the table (3rd) gets relegation, and 2nd stays where they are. This is so simple to implement, it does not require any complex equations, rng or formulae.

This would mean, that every server always has something to play for, without being horribly mismatched or stuck in ground hog day. Every week is 100% guarenteed to be different from the last week.

There is extra incentive for a server to come 1st to move up a tier, and there is also extra incentive for all the servers to avoid 3rd so that they do not move down. There is a chance that there will be a similar pattern every fortnight (if a server is too strong for a certain tier, yet too weak for another, they will move back and forth constantly, tasting both defeat and victory), but at least they keep getting a chance to test themselves against the next level!

Let’s imagine this system was patched in yesterday, for last week we had the servers finish.

Finishing positions:

Tier 1

1. Sanctum of Rall
2. Blackgate
3. Jade Quarry

Tier 2

4. Tarnished Coast
5. Fort Aspenwood
6. Dragonband

Tier 3

7. Maguuma
8. Kaineng
9. Yak’s Bend

Tier 4

10. Sea of Sorrows
11. Crystal Desert
12. Stormbluff Isle

Tier 5

13. Ehmray Bay
14. Borlis Pass
15. Anvil Rock

1st moves up, 3rd moves down. it would look like this:

This weeks new match up

Tier 1

Sanctum of Rall vs Blackgate vs Tarnished Coast

Tier 2

Jade Quarry vs Fort Aspenwood vs Maguuma

Tier 3

Dragonbrand vs Kaineng vs Sea of Sorrows

Tier 4

Yak’s Bend vs Crystal Desert vs Emhray Bay

Tier 5

Stormbluff Isle vs Borlis Pass vs Darkhaven

Thumbs up this thread if you would rather see my proposed match ups and leave your feedback if you are not happy with the new match making system.

I also firmly believe that this will help reduce the gulf of WvW population differences between tiers, and it will encourage more guilds to stay on their servers as they will have something to play for every week.

And in case you haven’t seen the latest scores

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups

barrage.1089:

Cirus.5748:

barrage.1089:

Polismassa.6740:

fade.8603:

While you put the blame of an unknown individual on the entire enemy servers(2 of them), I hope you can do something to prevent it from happening. Hope it dosen’t happen again.

I really hope that nobody on SoR is suspecting anyone on JQ. For those of you who don’t know, SoR and JQ TS are both run by the same person, and he doesn’t take kindly to people kittening with it. One of our old JQ commanders who has since quit the game, started raging in TS that he was going to DDoS the server, and got banned on the spot for like, a week.

we know that the admin was talking to us the other day :O so we assume bg or just some ranom scrub thats bored and felt like ddosing a random server[

Are you absolutely sure? Do you have 100% conclusive proof that it’s DDos attack? If it’s happening at the exact same time every week, could it be the server’s fault? Or the consistent behaviour pattern? (always occurring when your TS is at it’s most populated) , Perhaps the true server capacity before it becomes unstable is well below 1000.

The reset is where the least points is gained and lost between servers, so if it were a DDos attack that would be the worst time to do it. It would be better to do it later in the week when the matchup is in the balance and the largest PPT gains can be taken advantage of.

Lets pretend that it is a DDos attack. There is no way of knowing who is doing it and what their intentions are. It could be someone you offended while you were in tier 3, or tier 2, the attacks could even be from within your own server. It’s not very nice to accuse others (BG and JQ) and burn them at the stake when you can’t be sure of these things.

like its been pointed out earlier in this thread the jq server is hosted by the same person who tells us that we are getting DDos’d which we have no reason to doubt his word. and yeah we have no idea WHO is doing it because like i said its the second most populated ts in NA so lots of trolls find us and are usually banned on the spot so it could be any of those guys if they have a botnet

so yeah we are making an assumption that it is a BG member because while in tier two there were several DDos attacks that members of the BG community claimed to have performed the attack.

and the server has the highest population when indo gives his speech about an hour and half or more before the reset since some of our non NA guilds get on to listen too it so the population at reset is usually about 100 less then during the speech so the timing is suspicious but not real proof, we are making an assumption based off past evidence

and it doesnt always happen on reset well actually it has the past 5 weeks, but it does also happen during the week randomly when the population is not at 400+ users more around 250 so at that point its more likely to be some random troll

inb4 BUTTMAD RAGEMODE ACTIVE FROM THIS KID

not mad at all just trying to explain our side

That’s very disappointing to hear, that the admin said the server is being attacked has not been stated until now (unless that post was deleted).

Can you or anyone pm me the members of the BG community that claimed to perform an attack in the past? It’s disgusting behaviour, some people need to remember that this is just a game.

But still, you do not know who performed this attack, it could be anyone, from any server (this person may have been inspired and received the idea from previous attacks), it could be from your own. You cannot blame the actions of individuals on an entire server. Accusations like this only inflame more hatred towards BG.

barrage.1089:

Polismassa.6740:

fade.8603:

While you put the blame of an unknown individual on the entire enemy servers(2 of them), I hope you can do something to prevent it from happening. Hope it dosen’t happen again.

I really hope that nobody on SoR is suspecting anyone on JQ. For those of you who don’t know, SoR and JQ TS are both run by the same person, and he doesn’t take kindly to people kittening with it. One of our old JQ commanders who has since quit the game, started raging in TS that he was going to DDoS the server, and got banned on the spot for like, a week.

we know that the admin was talking to us the other day :O so we assume bg or just some ranom scrub thats bored and felt like ddosing a random server[

Are you absolutely sure? Do you have 100% conclusive proof that it’s DDos attack? If it’s happening at the exact same time every week, could it be the server’s fault? Or the consistent behaviour pattern? (always occurring when your TS is at it’s most populated) , Perhaps the true server capacity before it becomes unstable is well below 1000.

The reset is where the least points is gained and lost between servers, so if it were a DDos attack that would be the worst time to do it. It would be better to do it later in the week when the matchup is in the balance and the largest PPT gains can be taken advantage of.

Lets pretend that it is a DDos attack. There is no way of knowing who is doing it and what their intentions are. It could be someone you offended while you were in tier 3, or tier 2, the attacks could even be from within your own server. It’s not very nice to accuse others (BG and JQ) and burn them at the stake when you can’t be sure of these things.