Guild Wars 2

The problem with rewarding this is that it will result in a abuse of it’s mechanics.

Escorting yakks used to give nice rewards, do you know what happened? About 20 bots would be escorting the 1 yakk. They removed the rewards and bots are no longer in wvw.

Imagine getting a good reward for every time you repair or build, your keep has 300 supply and it’s needed for an attack, everyone drains it on a door so they can get shinies…

Or imagine getting Wxp and golds for every siege weapon you build, your keep will be filled with irrelevant siege and the map would be siege capped in no time.

These types of things get abused and ruin the game, that’s why they don’t offer direct rewards, yet they are so important. Playing WvW properly and helping the entire server is a reward in itself. You don’t need shinies for that, especially since if you did, it would ruin the game.

Obsidian.1328:

This may sound crass, but can Cuddlestrike simply post the score update and not use it as an excuse for an Asuran runway expo? It reminds me of Toddlers and Tiara’s and it’s starting to make me sick.

Well, aren’t you the Grinch!

The Asuran choreo was sooooo cute! :)

By the way, to the late SEA Primetime JQ players, lead by EMP on JQ BL, a big thankyou for the epic fights we had at hills. Your golem rushes were relentless and the battle kept going for hours, the last stands at throneroom were insane!

A big thankyou to Never Die and all of the Blackgate community who fought hard inside hills.

Thanks for the good fun! win or lose this is why we love WvW :)

And to Cuddlestrike, The Keep of Love still stands! ;D

To those Oceanic SoR who last week were saying that they get hit just as hard as Blackgate.

What do you think of the FOO zerg? Do you still think they are just as tough as “the TKG zerg”? Your thoughts?

I think SoR have had the best NA for a very long time now.

I’m not talking numbers, I’m talking in strategy and organization. The only NA I’ve ever seen that was able to match them was the old SoS. (talking post HoD era of course)

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Cirus.5748:

Cover Girl.2580:

Hello, I am look for many weakhearts that wish to fight. I have my unbreakable bell and /point /laugh ready for action. Let us commence action packed fun times.

The end.

Arenanet have muted the unbreakable bell in WvW

Only the person playing can hear it, no-one else.

Sad because I liked playing songs for people while bored, including enemies! Too many high octave trolls.

You just quoted one of the high octave users

Touché! :P

Cover Girl.2580:

Hello, I am look for many weakhearts that wish to fight. I have my unbreakable bell and /point /laugh ready for action. Let us commence action packed fun times.

The end.

Arenanet have muted the unbreakable bell in WvW

Only the person playing can hear it, no-one else.

Sad because I liked playing songs for people while bored, including enemies! Too many high octave trolls.

CuddleStrike.8215:

So im at work and would love to see an update on here….. ????

Just for you!

Some lovely battles happened on BG BL at late SEA time, thank you JQ for fighting!

Fuzzion.2504:

Cirus.5748:

scamtron.3610:

KeeZee.7312:

Blackgate has already stomped SoR. Since being in T1 they were 2nd for the first 2 weeks and took first the 3rd week. SoR was in their usual 3rd place spot.

Why 3rd place, because they are too afraid to do anything against JQ because they know that they would crumble trying to defend both JQ and BG. And the fact that SoR is afraid to challenge JQ works to JQs benefit. They can go after BG knowing SoR will join in and not take points from them.

How long has SoR been in T1 now and never once came close to taking top spot. It says a lot about a server that just rolls over and accepts 2nd or 3rd.

Many on BG enjoy fighting against JQs numbers and coverage, what is wearing on BG is the yappy poodle constantly nipping at our ankles when we fight the top dog.

Spitting More Trollish Garbage!

An “Asterisk” win hardly validates the roller coaster that is currently BG.
And that “yappy poodle” will be in Tier 1 for a long while slowly building its server the “right” way… so get used to it if you don’t drop again.

You need to put your ego aside for a moment and realize if JQ wants to win, they will win (they have shown how hard they can go) a 1 week fluke means nothing… even a blind squirrel can get a nut from time to time.

So at this point in time why bash your head against a wall?…it only burns people out, and demoralizes your rallians?

Both servers long term strategy should be to consistently maintain a competitive server while adding quality guilds who want to play on your server(and enjoy Tier 1 style play).

<3
Blinxxx/The Graced SOR

How about you ask Waha FOO what it was like playing on the largest SEA server presence in the world and not having anyone to help you when you needed them the most? Jade Quarry lost because they imploded and the majority gave up, I’ve never seen it so empty on a day like that day.

Firstly, FOO is spelt as Fo0. Secondly, Waha is a nice guy, never scolds and so hence many of the pugs join him during SEA.

I have played with waha for many months. And 8 out of 10 times, when his guild and pugs combine, the entire maps turn green.

He never cheats, he works hard and is most importantly, the GOD of SEA.

I don’t disagree with a single thing you say, and you don’t disagree with a single thing I say except the lettering of FoO o_o

wish.3102:

It looks like all the real guilds from SOS are moving to SOR, I can’t wait to watch them beat BG down and send them back to T2, and all the bandwagon SOS guilds to another server. It’s already started with FOE and AGG being to afraid of Tsym and the rest and jumping ship. Who is going to be next!?!

All the real SoS guilds are moving to SoR?

all the bandwagon SoS guilds are moving to another server?

SoR have OCX, TSym, and maybe 1 other guild coming (sorry if i have forgotten others), meanwhile BG have ND, AOI and MERC and neither are moving.

Oh my poor JQ, how you love spreading lies.

Miiaah.5416:

A little Sea BGBL Garrison funzies, trying the youtube enhancements since I forgot to lighten the video in 720P. I’ll remember before upload someday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6a7M-mQGZ8

Awesome fight in our Garrison, it was very even.

Thanks for the upload!

hex.3218:

Here’s my advice. Eliminate any server that has guilds which tell you not to go to their rival server. It’s like reverse recruiting.

If you ask any of the guilds who have recently transferred to JQ, they will tell you that without a doubt the most transfer friendly server is JQ. We let guilds make their own hours, choose their own maps and run how they want to run.

We support our guilds and work as a team.

Above all, we have a lot of fun doing it. Frequently, I have to take breaks because I am laughing so hard.

If you’re more about people than about numbers and ratings and who caps who and who is this or that, come to JQ. We have real people, not canned!

That’s interesting, my friends that I speak to who are on Jade Quarry tell me otherwise.

If Jade Quarry support their guilds and works as a team then why did it leave FOO completely isolated to fight against Blackgate last Friday?

Absolutely amazing come back Blackgate, well done everyone! Every single guild that I can think of was pulling all nighters to do this, everyone was constantly working together on all borderlands, we turned around a 24k deficit with only a couple of days to go. This win goes to the Blackgaters that have stuck by their server through thick and thin, they deserve it more than anyone else.

Congratulations on your hard earned tier 1 victory Blackgate! It was a long time coming! :)

waha.4921:

Cirus.5748:

waha.4921:

challenged when they run 90 people around capping objectives with 20-30 people max defending.

20-30 ?

http://youtu.be/zTl4EdWWixQ

how many em in this video?

and FOO have 30-40 ppl not 90+

Waha

Awesome stuff!

Respect to FOO, you guys are awesome.

Out of curiosity , do you have any footage from last night? :)

i dont know. but I print screen a picture from my computer ….

I’m impressed, you’ve managed to take garrison hours after your main opponent has gone to bed.

But no that wasn’t what I had in mind :P

Sadly I didn’t manage to record anything from last nights epic battles, but this might help refresh your memory instead from the night before :)

waha.4921:

challenged when they run 90 people around capping objectives with 20-30 people max defending.

20-30 ?

http://youtu.be/zTl4EdWWixQ

how many em in this video?

and FOO have 30-40 ppl not 90+

Waha

Awesome stuff!

Respect to FOO, you guys are awesome.

Out of curiosity , do you have any footage from last night? :)

Medeyn.8562:

WvW is a game no one can win :(

Play for points, you get told off for not staying and fighting. Stay and fight, you get told off/laughed at for not having good ppt. We all lose!

Some insane fights tonight, MERC pushed well against garrison, we had equal if not more numbers than MERC though, HIRE and Choo pushed together for a while.

Sorry you guys had to play alone tonight :( HIRE knows that feeling.

Absolutely, that was one of the best keep assaults that I’ve seen.

Credit to the SoR for putting up such amazing fights both outside the walls, inside and on top of the walls, and even through the gates! It was a long hard fought game of cat and mouse from both sides, epic fights :D

Just before that we also had a battle against SoR at hills along the top of the outer west wall, both sides were losing numbers after every push, in the end both servers had almost no soldiers left, very close fight!

This is what WvW is all about!

The siege can be harmed quite easily, no siege is ever invulnerable.

The fact that they’re using it at their spawn cliffs shows that you’ve pushed them off their own homeland. You can easily counter it with your own siege or by using your superior army.

Resonance.4216:

Jackums.3496:

I’m honestly disappointed in all of the people transferring from SoS.

As I said in the other thread, we play the game to have fun. WvW was not and has not been fun for a while now. Enjoy your complete lack of NA coverage and PvDooring Tier 3 keeps from breakout events.

Show some respect son.

I love SoR, you guys are awesome.

You have the best Americans in the game, the only Americans that could ever compete with you was the all star Sea of Sorrows Americans, which included PRX. Those were the days, some of the highest standard of fighting ever witnessed in this game was had in tier 2. It was SoS’s Oceanic coverage that was the difference between us.

/salute

Thundar.3910:

Peetee.9406:

wish.3102:

Wasn’t JQ just winning the NA afternoon time weekend PPT? Did all the SOS and SOR players suddenly give up and don’t log onto WvW at all now? I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ABOUT THE FIGHTS!!!

It is about the fights.

We’re done spending countless hours whacking on the doors and walls of your T3 keeps/towers in your home BL, that kitten is dull and boring. Keep them and your point tick, congratulations you’re going to win again.

If you want to fight us Choo is in red, TW is in blue, and CDS/FEAR are in EB. If you don’t want to fight us, that’s fine too. SoS always puts up a good fight.

Stop trying to explain it man, its like teaching a rock to swim, its not going to work. I would advise SoR as a whole to completely remove itself from these threads, aside from simple score updates.

I like hearing from SoR, they bring some sanity to the threads.

Lol

Well done to the JQ posters in this thread for proving the OP’s point.

drwookie.6391:

Cirus.5748:

drwookie.6391:

Cirus.5748:

What the people on Jade Quarry don’t realise, is that your stacked server is destroying the rest of the WvW competition.

It doesn’t effect you because you’re winning by 100k points, right? Wrong.

It’s squeezing the life out of the other tier 1 servers, more people are becoming discouraged because it’s not fun to get steamrolled at your spawn on 4 fronts 24/7. You will come to a realization that you had more fun when the competition was close and epic battles were fought against worthy enemies.

You’ll get bored of spawn camping and PvDooring, then your server will self destruct and top tier WvW will die with you.

Think about it.

What suggestion do you have? Stop playing? Pay to transfer?

We agree all suffering at the hands of the games mechanics. Think of it more like Enders game…we aren’t enemies! The teachers are the enemies!

Whatever gives you the most fun.

Transferring off to even up the tier wouldn’t be the worst option, if it’s a contest you seek.

Allow me to elaborate.

This was tier 1 before Jade Quarry was stacked: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/37/17

This was tier 1 after Jade Quarry was stacked http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/37/19

And this is last week http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/37/22

Note, on the graphs the spacing of the total points between the 1st placed server and the rest. This is a key indicator of how equal the servers are.

I don’t deny the large influx of players we had, and I also don’t deny that it has unbalanced the matchup. However one thing to remember is that we were not the only server “recruiting” during that time. In fact if I recall correctly, I believe SoS (the winning server at the time) made a “recruitment” post on this forum before JQ did. Yes in the end way got way more, and the reasons for that I can’t completely spell out with confidence.

In any case, given the way things are now I understand your suggestion (leaving to find better battles). Some people on JQ, given enough time, may do just that. Perhaps we will go the way of HoD. However, being on JQ since the beta weekends, and having all of my friends on JQ I’m not going anywhere.

Believe what you will, but when I log onto WvW there are still fun fights to be had. Yes sometimes I log on during those hours that we have a massive population advantage, but perhaps I just live in a time zone where I get to see both. I still frequently log on when we are ticking in the 100’s. And even if we are ticking in the 400’s, I can still have some fun fights, and at the very least I can hang out in TS with friends.

While WvW could be better (balanced fights 24/7 etc…), it’s still fun for me personally (overall, there are some rough times). Honestly it was MORE fun when we were losing to SoS week after week (there was always something to do), but it’s still plenty fun now. If that changes we’ll see. Most likely I will move onto a different game before I change servers.

I understand where you’re coming from and I appreciate your honesty.

I’ve also been on my server since the BWE and don’t want to move as this is my home and where my friends are. It’s just a shame that Tier 1 is the way it is at the moment.

The chest beating and denial from some of the JQ posters can be over bearing at times and that’s who my first post was intended for.

drwookie.6391:

Cirus.5748:

What the people on Jade Quarry don’t realise, is that your stacked server is destroying the rest of the WvW competition.

It doesn’t effect you because you’re winning by 100k points, right? Wrong.

It’s squeezing the life out of the other tier 1 servers, more people are becoming discouraged because it’s not fun to get steamrolled at your spawn on 4 fronts 24/7. You will come to a realization that you had more fun when the competition was close and epic battles were fought against worthy enemies.

You’ll get bored of spawn camping and PvDooring, then your server will self destruct and top tier WvW will die with you.

Think about it.

What suggestion do you have? Stop playing? Pay to transfer?

We agree all suffering at the hands of the games mechanics. Think of it more like Enders game…we aren’t enemies! The teachers are the enemies!

Whatever gives you the most fun.

Transferring off to even up the tier wouldn’t be the worst option, if it’s a contest you seek.

Allow me to elaborate.

This was tier 1 before Jade Quarry was stacked: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/37/17

This was tier 1 after Jade Quarry was stacked http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/37/19

And this is last week http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/37/22

Note, on the graphs the spacing of the total points between the 1st placed server and the rest. This is a key indicator of how equal the servers are.

What the people on Jade Quarry don’t realise, is that your stacked server is destroying the rest of the WvW competition.

It doesn’t effect you because you’re winning by 100k points, right? Wrong.

It’s squeezing the life out of the other tier 1 servers, more people are becoming discouraged because it’s not fun to get steamrolled at your spawn on 4 fronts 24/7. You will come to a realization that you had more fun when the competition was close and epic battles were fought against worthy enemies.

You’ll get bored of spawn camping and PvDooring, then your server will self destruct and top tier WvW will die with you.

Think about it.

Thundar.3910:

Aside from the current drama, which really is just bunk. I was looking forward to fighting SoS again. Being from SoR, I can say with confidence that when SoS spent a few weeks with us in T2 before moving up was some of the best WvW we’ve had. They were classy in game and on the forums, aside from the ever present trolls in match-up threads.

The very unbalanced T1 match-up now is and will take its toll on the best of us, it happens, we can only hope something changes and hopefully sooner rather than later. This is the kind of thing that sets people on edge as a community. At some point people will realize that stacking one server or another just ruins the fun of the game for a great deal of people, add in the all natural “gamer bravado”, and mix in some straight up underhanded efforts by individuals, and you have a disaster kittentail.

Just don’t give the people doing that kind of thing the attention they clearly crave, those are small minded people, who would rather try and break something than build it up.

SoS seems to have a great community, they show their passion for it in posts like the OP’s here, you guys will move past this little bump and remain just as strong.

Cheers and good fighting.

Very well spoken friend.

I can say with confidence that our fighting in tier 2 was of a higher standard than what tier 1 had to offer. We both evolved and perfected our tactics against each other.

It’s not the winning or losing, it’s the intense competition and problem solving to unique challenges that makes WvW so fun.

The current toxicity in WvW tier 1 is a massive shame.

cesmode.4257:

Well if that’s the case, then are you happy with this reset? I think your response above is exactly what this reset is for.

I am happy with the reset, but under the current system we will be falling into the same ruts, facing the exact same problems over time.

cesmode.4257:

Cirus.5748:

Cesmode, the Isle of Janthir I’m referring to could go toe to toe with the very best in tier 1.

They are now in tier 5 and are currently 3rd in their match up, by a large margin. There are still guilds that remain there and I feel for them, however they have lost so much of what they had. 9 weeks without a win can do that to a server.

As if…being in tier 5 is any different than tier 1 in terms of..what? Are you getting more reward for being in a tier 1/2 server than a 5/6? All you get is “bragging rights” that youre server can field a few hundred on every map, zerg around with some strategy (And yes, I’ve been on a tier 1 server, and a tier 3 server. I know what their WvW styles are like. SBI in it’s glory days and now Dragonbrand).

With that said, yeah 9 weeks of teeth smashing would do it. Thats why this change is needed. IoJ’s rating is so far bloated because they spent so much time at the top, they will need weeks to get to where they belong in terms of matchup(considering server sizes and all).

Look, Im not saying wanting to be tier 1 or 2 is bad. Go for it! But when I hear people refer to dropping tiers as a negative thing, I laugh. I am transferring off of Dragonbrand to IoJ because I had a lot more fun on IoJ (especially getting blown out). Zerg vs zerg gets old. Id rather 5-10 man skirmishes over zergs.

You’ve missed the point of my post, I’ve never suggested that dropping tiers is a negative thing. In fact my solution promotes that a server can drop tiers more easily. It’s the same match ups over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and entire communities leaving servers due to the lack of variation and progress that is my concern.

Cesmode, the Isle of Janthir I’m referring to could go toe to toe with the very best in tier 1.

They are now in tier 5 and are currently 3rd in their match up, by a large margin. There are still guilds that remain there and I feel for them, however they have lost so much of what they had. 9 weeks without a win can do that to a server.

Habib Loew.6239:

In the run up to the end of free world transfers we saw large population changes as people settled in to their home servers. This means that the WvW teams being fielded by many of the worlds are now dramatically different. In recognition of this fact, and in light of the increased population stability that comes with paid transfers, we feel that this would be a good time to reset the ratings of all the servers. A reset at this point will allow the rating & ranking system to more quickly and correctly rate these (effectively) new WvW teams.

Here’s how the reset will work:

1) We’ll let the current matchup play out. Since free transfers were available during the first part of this matchup we don’t want it to count towards the new ratings.
2) When the matchup rolls over on Friday, February 1st we’ll post the final ratings & rankings. The new ordering will determine the groupings for the next matchup as usual.
3) After the new matchup has started on February 1st we’ll reset all the ratings (and deviation & volatility) behind the scenes.

Because every world will have reset ratings the system will treat the February 1st matchup as the first matchup and will calculate the ratings accordingly. The new ratings will then be calculated normally in the way that you’re already familiar with. We expect several weeks of volatility while the ratings settle down but we believe that it will ultimately yield a more correct result more quickly than letting the current ratings persist. That also means that the coming month or two will be a fantastic time to fight for your world’s place in the rankings!

Additionally, we’re taking advantage of the reset to revisit some of the math behind the ratings. I’ll have more to post on that once we’ve crunched some numbers and made some decisions.

This is very important, there needs to be more variation in the match ups. At one point in about November, there were 6 power servers that were all very close to equal coverage. Tier 1 and 2 was very close. However most of these servers never got to face each other at their strengths because they were stuck in their tiers for over 8-18 weeks, weakening some of them.

Jade Quarry and Stormbluff Isle never got to see what Sanctum of Rall was made out of while they were in their comfy tier 1, and by the time Stormbluff Isle saw tier 2 as of 2 weeks ago it was already too late, SBI had lost some of it’s major guilds and was on the verge of self destruction.

Similarly, despite Blackgate winning for ~8 weeks in a row, comfortably much of the time they never got to test themselves against Sea of Sorrows, by the time they got out of tier 2 their coverage had already weakened because they’d been stuck in tier 2 for too long.

At the start of the glicko ratings system, there was a lot of variation in the match ups, basically whoever won got promoted a tier, and whoever lost was demoted a tier. I feel that this is how the ratings system was supposed to play out, and if a server was consistent it could stay in it’s tier even if it loses. Due to the deaths of servers though, such as HoD and ET, they fed their hard earned ratings to the teams around them as they fell down, absolutely fattening up the points in the tiers to disadvantage the servers in the tiers below them.

To keep it fresher and more interesting with the match ups,

1 solution I can suggest is a European football division style system. The winner of a tier gets promoted to the next one up, the loser gets demoted a tier, and the mid table one stays where they are.

Under this system for example, if applied to the October – December period,
- Both Stormbluff Isle and Jade Quarry would have been demoted to tier 2
- Blackgate would have seen tier 1 sooner at full strength to face Sea of Sorrows + the other server
- Sanctum of Rall would of had the reward of seeing tier 1 had they beaten the newly arrived Jade Quarry or Stormbluff Isle
- Tarnished Coast would have seen tier 2 earlier instead of winning tier 3 for 6 weeks
- Isle of Janthir would have tasted success from tier 3 instead of losing for 9 weeks in a row (IOJ has also now self destructed)

Just with these types of things, the variation in the match ups would have been ten fold had the glicko ratings system not been so stale, what would have happened in these matchups at that time, we’ll never know. I just hope we can see the best of WvWvW in the coming weeks and not just have a stale repeat of the same match ups for 5-10 weeks in a row like what we’ve just had.

We love competition, and we love variation, if people agree with the sentiment of my post please vote it a +1

Wotah.2975:

“mi·li·tia. -
1. An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
2. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
3. The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.”

In reference to number 1, calling people that aren’t part of a big WvW guild militia is a bit demeaning.

Some of these people have been in WvW since the beginning. I believe that many of these people are the reason why servers win. Not the big groups in WvW. They may get things started and going and help to move people around, but it’s the little jobs that people do out there (outside of the big guilds) that wins the wars week after week.

“A militia, or irregular army, generally refers to an army or other fighting force that is composed of non-professional fighters; citizens of a nation or subjects of a state or government that, often receiving little or hasty training, enter a combat situation, as opposed to a professional force of regular soldiers or, historically, members of the fighting nobility.”

There’s nothing wrong with being labeled a militiamen, they hard fighters and are integral to the success of the server, I’ve been addressed as the militia many times, so has every person from every guild and I don’t see what the problem is and how this is offensive.

An Example, a group of 10 FoE running around together as an organized forced are refered to as FoE.

A group of 10 people,1 from each of Tsym, One, DiE, MERC, AGG, Atac, Work, AFS, Foe and 1 unguilded are running around, they are called militia.

Nuked.2360:

Destroyer.1306:

Nuked.2360:

Calling them militia is the single worst thing you could do It has a derogatory and downgrading tone towards others.

Great point — and well-toned. I always make a point of referring to them as “Non-Guilded Allied Combatants Lacking VoIP” in /team.

Labeling them anything tbh is demeaning heck I’ve called our random’s pug’s but it’s less demeaning imo than Militia which makes it sound like you have absolute control over them which you don’t. And a lot of them would be willing to hop on a teamspeak if they knew the info (we have a ton of people who aren’t in our “major” guilds on TS every night on JQ)

I think you might be confused on what the term militia actually means, it doesn’t mean minion and it doesn’t mean that they are under absolute control.

Militiamen are trained fighters that are capable of taking on anything!

Nuked.2360:

Tala.7638:

Beyonce.3207:

RG is no joke. I was commanding on SoS with some [Work] but mostly militia. We had 30+ and the 15 of them RICKROLLED us, not just once but several times. Great coordination and synergy RG. I hope you stay, it will be fun finding ways to break you all up.

When melee steps into an aoe kittentail put out by a couple of people on TS at the same time, you die instantly. You need to fight with ranged skills and melee flanking to counter instead of charging in brain dead with noob SOS OR DEATH chants into an obvious aoe bomb trap. Then blame the godlike nature of opponents instead of lack of battle reading skills because 10 people died instantly.

I’m just saying this because SoS is getting kitten soft due to overly extended long bouts of easy mode Asia/Oceanic night capping (often lasting 6-12) hours to achieve our point advantage.

It becomes ridiculous when commanders tell the map that they are too scared to confront a few RG with a full SOS zerg after charging blinding into an aoe bomb ONCE. It’s bad for server morale and server pride, and shows how dependent we have become on PVDoor, overwhelming numbers and overwhelming golems for every tower we take.

I’m in no way saying SOS is degenerative. But the initial enjoyment of WvW 4 months ago is starting to become really a turnoff when commanders turn up that foul mouths and lords everyone 24/7 on EB, yet have little battle tactics or imagination to speak of apart from throwing away massive amounts of gold at the simplest of encounters. Let alone the courage to confront coordinated opposition with gusto and learn fast.

I think you read way into my compliment here. [Work] is prepared for this tactic. Our alliance is prepared for this tactic. The majority of our server is. I, however, got caught with my pants down during 1 hr of fighting. My guild’s prime time was not for another hr or so, there was NO commanders on EB, and the few guildies I had with me were just trying to stop the bleeding. I suppose it is SoS’s fault for not having a server wide TS and running training/ tactic meeting for the entire server, but we rely on each specific guild to choose to come to our server meetings, sending a representative, and we branch out that way. If militia on SoS continue to run solo or in small guilds, we can only do so much for them in helping them become prepared about what is happening with evolution of the meta game here. They need to reach out to Kurthos, myself, Coron, Jed, any of the commanders on SoS and get involved. You can expect only so much if you just run the same old traits, log on, type B and queue for EB. We do have a community here. There is only so much you can do in map chat during a fight. As far as Commanders being disrespectful in map chat of EB or any other map… I can assure you they DO NOT wear my tag or any of the Aoi alliance, so quoting me and speaking of that in general statements doesn’t settle well with me. If you do have issues with people in chat, you can report through customer service. But thank you for your constructive criticism, and it sounds like you are from SoS; if so PM, come and voice your opinion during our server meetings… we all want to hear what you have to say, and maybe coming to it, would shed some light on what our community is doing, working on, to address this tactic. Furthermore, we do have our own server forum. Join it, come hang out.

Edit: OCD mistype error I missed.

Calling them militia is the single worst thing you could do It has a derogatory and downgrading tone towards others.

Explain further how that is term derogatory?

Calling them zerg, or calling them pugs, now that’s demeaning!

PaGaNiNi.6978:

yeah make me even more jealous!

If Red Guard are coming here just for the American tier 1 experience before going back home, you could split your guild into two temporarily and have the other half go on Blackgate or something? :P

That way you can all have fights, even against each other

Magiofdeath, it’s all good and that’s fair enough.

It sounds like JQ has taken a leaf out of a certain other server.

Honestly though well done! Jade Quarry has rapidly improved their WvW co-ordination over the last few weeks and it’s been there for all to see on the battlefield.

Long may the good fights and our strong communities continue!

Magiofdeath.2745:

Ohai.8346:

Wotah.2975:

Magiofdeath.2745:

So now SoS truly almost has 24/7 coverage. Awesome. Large NA, large Oceanic, now Asians. All you need is a large Euro presence and you’re set.

All set for boredom! Yaaaaay!

Good luck to SoS. I hope they get what they came for…

Pure scoreboard zergling mindset right there. You’d rather each 3 servers pvdoor in 3 seperate timezones and call it a fair fight.

From our perspective, we’ve just gave t1 a Never Die v FOO v Thai+Nine Dragons fight in these timezones.

That my friend is what the game is about, great action. Get your head out of the scoreboard for a second and you might realize that.

Won’t it be PvDoor for SoS when the other servers lack coverage? I’m pretty sure JQ has little to no Oceanic presence, good NA presence, not sure on Asian or Euro presence (FOO would actually be JQ’s Asian presence IIRC – correct me if I’m wrong). I can’t comment on BG, since I don’t know their spread.

Actually, isn’t it fairly easy to tell when its PvDoor for a server when the pie is 85%+ one color? You can’t tell me there’s interesting fights for you guys when the pie is 85-95% SoS, which it has been a few times this week.

Synikal.9417:

Indeed it is. You aren’t missing much. Evidently we have a handful of Role players that I didn’t know about

Oh yay, dnd.

I’m not sure why you’re commenting on the issue when you don’t even know your own server.

As someone who always plays during Oceania and Euro times, Jade Quarry aren’t bad at Oceania, they have better Oceanian coverage than any tier 2 server, you also have FOO who are one of the most meanest and organized WvW guilds out there, they are Asian, you can thank them for your ranking. Thirdly, your European coverage is by far the best in North America, you out number the other servers 3:1 combined at that time slot.

The other 2 servers only try to defend and contain JQ at European time, we always lose points even when we have guilds staying up all night to try and defend against it. When WM left SBI, it left SoS exposed 1v1 to JQ during the Euro time and we were conceding 15k points in a single European prime time. There is nothing wrong with that but don’t try and pretend that JQ doesn’t have coverage and it’s own advantages.

There is a massive correlation between morale and coverage. If the servers morale is down, the casual players stop turning up, and this hurts your coverage big time.

From what I have seen, Blackgate have very good coverage. It can be overly simplistic to just blame the coverage. The morale of pugs is exceptionally important, while the hardcore guilds will always fight no matter what, their pug allies don’t always do the same, leaving the hardcore guilds alone and exposed.

It’s very important to engage the pugs around you, fight with them, give them encouragement, have some fun! Do this and you will raise the morale of your pugs and they will fight with you harder for longer, even when your PPT is down.

One person from BG said that there are commanders on Blackgate that don’t engage with the rest of the pugs on the Borderland? If true that just isn’t good enough. I don’t know of a single SoS commander that doesn’t engage with the people around him/her. If you’re afraid of spies following you or listening in to your commands? Don’t worry about it, the benefits of fighting together as a team, far outweighs any ambiguous information a spy might report. The best way to deal with spies is pretend they’re not even there. If you think your guild is elite and doesn’t need the help of others, you’re wrong. Even PRX were very open and transparent to the servers pug community, everyone was invited to jump on their TS and have some fun.

From the outside, Sea of Sorrows may look like an unstoppable juggernaut with 24/7 coverage but it’s not true at all. Our Euro coverage is the weakest of any tier 1 server (or tier 2 for that matter), BG have enough Oceanic and Asian guilds to hold their own against us and gain on JQ, and your Americans are capable of going toe to toe as well! Believe in yourselves and work together and you will defeat JQ and SoS, or at the very least come bloody close!

Respect to Blackgate, I really hope you guys adapt to tier 1!

Aorin.9168:

So now SoS is spawn camping us in EB? I see you are now T1 because you have the numbers and the “night crew”. Not because of any skill or class. I’ve seen better sportsmanship in our T2 encounters.

The Blackgate that showed up on Friday was amazing, it was one the strongest openings to a match up that I have ever seen. Not only that, SoS are ALWAYS first on the opening day, Blackgate are the first server in nearly 4 months to break this rhythm.

If the same Blackgate that showed up in the first 24 hours, showed up on the second day of the match up, the scores would be a lot closer. I do not understand, why the same people that logged in on Friday, didn’t login on the day after, and the one after?

It looks as though Blackgate have given up, it’s a shame because your server is far more capable than this.

Ohai.8346:

yes sir back home for me, running with FoE. euro was too much skill delay for me to play over there so came back to NA about 3 weeks ago.

Glad to have ya back home!

Ohai.8346:

Tobias Steele.2071:

Players repping PRX have been spotted fighting for Blackgate. Will be interesting to see the status Quo change if they were to Transfer to Blackgate from Seafarers Rest. From a Sos Perspective I sincerely hope that’s not the case.

Blackgate would be a bad choice for PRX. Being a former member, they would have to contest already capped queues and have to put up with all the bads. Their record would get shot to bits and they would get frustrated at not being able to run like they usually do in numbers. They just have a few stragglers playing NA who lagged too much on euro.
There’s far better server choices for them if they decided to move.

How’s it going Ohai? :)

Are you back on Sea of Sorrows?

Xirin.8593:

Flawed Victory.4321:

elkirin.8534:

IMHO, It often feels like a double team but it is just the 3 way dynamic.

Absurd (the first sentence). I won’t deny it is part of the tactic but it is an obvious double team I might respect sos more if you just admit that cause it is not shame to admit double team as part of your tactic.

Exactly. Double team is a legitimate strategy and is something all servers deal with. Just please don’t be disingenuous or downplay it to make it appear Blackgate isn’t trying (as stated by Cirus and Resonance). The screenshot below was from 12:30am EST today and is how WvW looked for the greater part of Saturday (and still looks this morning). Very little SOS presence on JQ BL, very little JQ on SOS BL, both pushing BG on BG BL and EB, with zero pressure between blue/green on EB.

No that’s not what I meant, I think you may have misunderstood my post.

By saying “their effort seems to be waning”, I meant in terms of their strength (amount of players fielded). Blackgate opened this match up like a power house, with one of the most fiercest and closest openings to a tier that I’ve ever seen, additionally BG earned 3k lead in the opening 24 hours. Yet on the second day of fighting there has been a significant change in the gap of PPT between Sea of Sorrows and Blackgate.

Kreen.3925:

For those folks suggesting the the current order of the scores will be the same in 5 days time then maybe they will, maybe they won’t. Remember we are only 2 days into a 7 days match up and the weekend and weekday performances of every server can be very different.

Lets wait until the fat lady takes to the stage shall we before predicting winners and writing off others.

I really do hope its a close finish right until the end of the week for all three servers. Win or lose, what a finish that would be.

This.

In the first 24 hours, Blackgate came out very hard, imo had a very high level of organization and they looked like the biggest threat to win tier 1. However on their second day of fighting their effort seems to be waning, Jade Quarry are about to over take them and it now looks like JQ is going to be the biggest threat.

But really who knows, it’s the week days that will decide the match up, it’ll be interesting to see how it all pans out, it’s like rock, paper scissors!

Score blow outs happen when the morale of a server is broken.

If you can crush the morale of your opponent, their coverage drops massively as many people are afraid of logging in. It happened to SoS last week and it’s happening to JQ right now.

Jade Quarry fully deserved to win last week, they managed to break the morale of SoS and defeat us, you cannot take anything away from them. Some people may like to point to the time of the the year and whine, but the truth is that 2 days after New Years we were only 20k behind and we had 72 hours to come back from it. That was than enough time, however we couldn’t and we gave up because JQ were too good.

Congratulations to Jade Quarry on their tier 1 victory!

It’s been a very long time since SoS has last lost a match up, 12 weeks in fact. And JQ are the server to break this streak! Full credit must go to you guys.

Looking forward to next week and seeing if we’re able to bounce back! I have full confidence in our server’s ability.

Viva le WvW!

zortek.9607:

+1 Internets. Excellent argument. Well presented.

Are there any unrelated third-parties willing to confirm the math?

Now, where again is that silly little design manifesto?

I can confirms that his maths are correct.

1 Yakk every 5 minutes, = 12 yakks per 60 minutes

12 yakks per hour, = 288 yakks per day

288 yakks per day = 2016 yakks per week

2016 yakks per week = 104,823 per year

Which is approximately 10 years, and lets assume you don’t sleep, eat, work or have a life. Speaking of which, with such a lifestyle you would probably die of starvation after 1 month. That’s if the sleep deprivation doesn’t kill you first.

Setch.2398:

I am reading a lot of DC’s from other people as well on map chat. Is this a global problem in wvw? I am playing in our home borderlands. 5 times I was rushing to save a keep or tower and 1 time I was just standing there guarding the north camp.

Could there be an ability that is causing this? Any ideas?

Yep, this has been happening in SBI Borderlands for 2 days now, I made a thread about it yesterday :P

Once again there is massive lag in Stormbluff Isle Borderlands being experienced by many players from all factions, this cannot be a coincidence.

I think it’s important that Arenanet is aware of this issue,

thanks

Interesting. IOJ enter Tier 1 and are flying, they are keeping up with the big boys. The Candycorn patch happens, and they disappear from WvW and get demoted to tier 2.

Then IOJ are in Tier 2 for many weeks, but then the Candy Cane patch happens, they disappear from WvW and get demoted to tier 3.

:P, we’ve found IOJ’s weakness!

Cover Girl.2580:

this shows how classless the JQ players are to try to poach players from a server on a thread about poaching. Here on SBI, we would never think of doing that…so If you’re looking for a new home, you are welcome here, as we never do such lowclass snipe attempts ;)

And if you’re disgusted by the attempts of JQ and SBI posters to recruit you to their server in this thread.

Then Sea of Sorrows is the server for you! We are the other guys in tier 1 and we are still quite new to it, learning our place ;)