Guild Wars 2

titanlectro.5029:

@PAXA

I’ve been debating about posting this, but I think it is time.

You are playing a different game than we are. Your goal is kills. Our goal is points. It is as simple as that. We generally call people who play for points, WvW players. We generally call people who play for kills, PvP players.

In WvW, everything is about resource efficiency and time management. A good WvW player intentionally avoids fights, if they are a time-suck away from something more important. A good WvW player spends a lot of time not fighting and instead scouting, building siege, repairing, and coordinating. A good WvW player will even build his character differently, so as to be useful to the big picture, which might mean sacrificing killing power for swiftness or escape abilities.

When WvW players encounter PvP players, they see them as a roadblock, just like walls on a castle or defensive siege. A good WvW player will find the most time and resource efficient way around that roadblock. In this case, overwhelm the PvP players with numbers. It only take a minute or two to do, and the road block is cleared without tying up a lot of resourses or making people run back from spawn from losing to a “fair fight.”

The truth of it is, we don’t care how good you are at killing people. We care about points, and you are no threat there. You are an inconvenience, which is easily countered with superior numbers or running away.

If we WvW players looked at you PvP players and said “We are better than you because we contribute to the server point total,” we would be wrong. You are not playing the same game as us, and that is comparing apples to oranges. You are good at what you intend to do, it is just not the same goal that we have.

Likewise, the opposite is also true. PvP players should not say to WvW players “We are better than you because we win even fights.” That is missing the point. WvW players are not trying to be the best at player killing, we have a different goal. It is entirely possible to be a GREAT WvW player, and lose every 1v1 battle you face. Because WvW is not team deathmatch. Sometimes the best WvW tactic is to intentionally die over and over again just to keep the enemy busy. (In fact, we have done that to you before, sent one or two “sacrifices” to draw you away while we do our work.)

So PAXA, keep that in mind. You do not earn bragging rights when you kill a group of WvW players. We do not earn bragging rights when we steamroll you with numbers. The only way to earn bragging rights is to play the same game, which we are not.

This x9000+!

HackerTeivospy.2031:

Colt.9051:

HackerTeivospy.2031:

so tonight at hills i had boring fights

we cap hills from that stupid ASH commander goombastomping, the best part was when pony knocked him off the cliff. Goomastomp that.

my fav were the morons making 3 ballistas to try and kill our group of 3 + some uplevels with their zerg group +3 guards, and then pushing us back with their slow ballista creep so much that when they finally got to the gate they didn’t have enough supply for a ram, but they also didn’t have enough people to run back and get supply otherwise we would just wipe the group that remained at the gate.

its like come on, we don’t even do this keep stuff ever and we still know how to do it better than you guys. Its unfortunate we had to go though since i have real life to deal with, and by that i mean making a billion dollars tomorrow

and pls don’t deny we have it all on tape for pony’s montage, although like i said we might just cut it all because none of you did anything impressive and it might be boring to watch

Wow, you’re so full of yourself. Your story isn’t even close to being accurate to what really happened. I can’t attest to what happened before you took Hills but at the time I was helping out or EB keep from getting take, which our keep looked like a swiss cheeze keep which we somehow held. Afterwhich I came back to the BLs about the time you took Hills and EB was under control.

We started to work our way around from Redvale to Champion’s camp and got to Greenwater camp. I had maybe a group of 5 at the time with me as opposed to your 8+ group, and you guys repeatedly ganked us from trying to take the camp back when it was becoming clear you guys were just there for the ganks on trying to retake the keep. When we had enough ppl gathered to fight you on somewhat even odds at the sentry to Greenwater (8-9 PUGgies vs 5 or 6 SPCA), you claimed Hills with guild buffs which was a large part of us losing when we did have more ppl than u at the time.

Afterwhich we were attempting to get stargrove camp back, but again, we got ganked by your zerg (Only had 3 ppl with me that time) against ur now 10-15 man zerg. So yeah, that’s what started the whole fight N of Hills. We had gathered enough ppl to match your numbers but you guys wanted to hide behind your keep guild buffs, thus why we built the ballistas to goad u out. You guys didn’t want to come out of ur precious guild buff zone so we charged you guys after a couple of attempts before the ballista lures and we pushed u back to the keep every time. Yeah, when we pushed you in and were short of supply, we weren’t really seeking to take the keep at that time, but to kill you guys off for the sorry gankers you were. And yes, we enjoyed every moment of it since we already knew u guys weren’t interested wholly in keeping the hills keep anyways, that was already made clear. If you’re gonna be annoying with ganking, do it with taste please. Don’t camp for your kills and think ur such hot stuff, specially when you mostly burst behind your friends and run if you fail to do so.

holy macaroni you told me i apologize for playing my class

you lookin @ the grand DPS, warlord
burst sustained DPS so vicious
but I don’t have to show damage
to show up and show off to bad *****es

and it aint about good manner
its about dope defense and bad manner
its about my persona
aint nothing like a thief that can do what he wanna

aint nothing like a thief that you know from your corner
see me come up, and #### up the former
see me throw up, 10k heartseeker
i’m accurate like heatseeker

dumb thieves dont burst it, as soon as you get it
and recognize im a captain and you a lieutenant

I think you missed the main point of my response… My main point of my response was that your group’s tactics in terms of WvW capturing/defending were pretty underhanded. You guys could have easily taken RedBriar or attempted at some other tower or even a keep at the beginning when you had bigger numbers, but you guys chose to wait in ambush near sentry points by Stargrove/Greenwater camps. (Yes, I saw ppl clustering up behind the wall near Greenwater) Even when we did capture said camps while you were busy fighting us at N Hills I didn’t see anyone even attempting to recap the camps for you to regain supplies at the keep, which coulda been done easily on your part.

Admittedly, you make most use of what thieves can do more than most other theives I’ve ever seen really, just a shame that such “talent” usually comes with a giant ego, and you’ve fallen victim to having one apparently.

HackerTeivospy.2031:

so tonight at hills i had boring fights

we cap hills from that stupid ASH commander goombastomping, the best part was when pony knocked him off the cliff. Goomastomp that.

my fav were the morons making 3 ballistas to try and kill our group of 3 + some uplevels with their zerg group +3 guards, and then pushing us back with their slow ballista creep so much that when they finally got to the gate they didn’t have enough supply for a ram, but they also didn’t have enough people to run back and get supply otherwise we would just wipe the group that remained at the gate.

its like come on, we don’t even do this keep stuff ever and we still know how to do it better than you guys. Its unfortunate we had to go though since i have real life to deal with, and by that i mean making a billion dollars tomorrow

and pls don’t deny we have it all on tape for pony’s montage, although like i said we might just cut it all because none of you did anything impressive and it might be boring to watch

Wow, you’re so full of yourself. Your story isn’t even close to being accurate to what really happened. I can’t attest to what happened before you took Hills but at the time I was helping out or EB keep from getting take, which our keep looked like a swiss cheeze keep which we somehow held. Afterwhich I came back to the BLs about the time you took Hills and EB was under control.

We started to work our way around from Redvale to Champion’s camp and got to Greenwater camp. I had maybe a group of 5 at the time with me as opposed to your 8+ group, and you guys repeatedly ganked us from trying to take the camp back when it was becoming clear you guys were just there for the ganks on trying to retake the keep. When we had enough ppl gathered to fight you on somewhat even odds at the sentry to Greenwater (8-9 PUGgies vs 5 or 6 SPCA), you claimed Hills with guild buffs which was a large part of us losing when we did have more ppl than u at the time.

Afterwhich we were attempting to get stargrove camp back, but again, we got ganked by your zerg (Only had 3 ppl with me that time) against ur now 10-15 man zerg. So yeah, that’s what started the whole fight N of Hills. We had gathered enough ppl to match your numbers but you guys wanted to hide behind your keep guild buffs, thus why we built the ballistas to goad u out. You guys didn’t want to come out of ur precious guild buff zone so we charged you guys after a couple of attempts before the ballista lures and we pushed u back to the keep every time. Yeah, when we pushed you in and were short of supply, we weren’t really seeking to take the keep at that time, but to kill you guys off for the sorry gankers you were. And yes, we enjoyed every moment of it since we already knew u guys weren’t interested wholly in keeping the hills keep anyways, that was already made clear. If you’re gonna be annoying with ganking, do it with taste please. Don’t camp for your kills and think ur such hot stuff, specially when you mostly burst behind your friends and run if you fail to do so.

To the NSP [MOB] guild crew and the others that attacked our BL late last night about 11 hours ago, that was the most fast paced defensive battle I’ve ever had there! I had LOADS of fun having to bounce back and forth between the Hills and Bay keeps xD I want more battles like this, so much fun! I’m mainly thankful HoD backed off from our north side shortly after you guys arrived on the scene, haha!

Mannnn had a rough night at GoM borderlands staying there pretty much for 12ish hours straight, but it was both fun and annoying defending mostly from NSP and a little from HoD, but it was mostly fun More good battles to come I hope!

Julie Yann.5379:

I’m not much of a forum poster but I have to say that for lower pop servers you guys deliver the goods when it comes to entertaining fights. Seems like every night I play so many good battles are fought. I hope you guys manage to keep us in this tier for a few more weeks.

Definitely, this is way better that the near constant 2v1 zergs we got with DH, sometimes being entertaining to some degree, but I’m seeing a lot of small group fights and I’m liking them

Vv W.7821:

Well, NSP and GoM are hammering us in HoD, and all I can say is you can take our points but you can never take our keep, or our spirit!

Funny cause… we took all of them last night xD (Didn’t have a pic of the Hills keep capture, as I arrived at the last minute there >.<)

Also to the engi I was fighting in the back of the lord room at Bay and nearly stoned each other to death while we were both downed, that was some pretty fun stuff, haha! May we have more fun fights tonight!

Scarecrow.5792:

Most fun I’ve had in a while today defending in GoM borderlands, NSP kicking it off with some large threats on our south, HoD then hit both hills (Successfully) and bay at the same time. Best fights were inside bay, so many times did we push you guys out, only to have you come back and continue an assault on inner! It got even better when we finally pushed HoD out only to find that NSP had come in through the opening and assault the inner from the north gate! All was thought to be lost when the gate came down but we gathered inside the lords room, no siege, no preparation and managed to hold!

Good efforts from both servers! Keep up these good fights!

Aww I missed that Would have loved to be in the Frey for that one but alas, RL issues come first xD When I did get on WvW today things were kinda heated at the get go in GoM Borderlands with a smaller HoD crew knocking on our garrison water gate after capping stargrove. Thankfully we responded quick enough to that and got them at the inner gate. Afterwards it was a wild goose chase as they started tagging everything. Thankfully as most of us were nearby our hills keep that seemed to be the next main point of attack. After blowing off the lone invader at the ninja wall we had a breakout at the briar side which was pretty well stuffed, tho I did start to worry when they started killing everyone siegerazer pulled… Still great night and hope to have some more exciting battles with NSP and HoD! Keep the forums awesome and the fights in game even more so!

Toble.2968:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC0g07fMhCc

Also, at a previous camp in a 3v10+ guards an FGJ Thief laughed on my corpse after I survived kiting them in circles for a long enough time for some one my teammates to run all the way back to victor’s lodge.

You have no right to speak.

Lol, that recording was definitely around the time that we were just about finished pushing you guys out of our BLs (I know since I can see my guardian in the video whom I barely use in WvW anymore), so yeah, your numbers were dwindling at the time so of course you were outnumbered.

Also about this FGJ theif who laughed, I think he was a member that I just recruited that day or the day before, as I barely even have any thief mains in my guild, let alone ones that really WvW. Should I see him again, yeah, I’ll give him a bit of talking to. Ty for bringing that to me.

Also in that post I made, I was in a crap mood, and I never usually rant. I already said apologies for coming off that way, so don’t beat a dead horse. I had some fun battles today as well with NSP, and learned of a nice ninja cata spot by Woodhaven, altho being perilously close to the edge well… it’s pretty easy to slip and fall >.<

Debois Guilbert.6413:

Colt.9051:

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Fighting near the spawn always reminds me of crossing the streams:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyaLZHiJJnE

Night hasn’t started but this already made it xD

HackerTeivospy.2031:

Sneaky Turban.6823:

HackerTeivospy
You are really up yourself aren’t you?

Then later on in the 3v7 to us at your spawn I pointed to your guardian friend and then bowed to suggest I wanted to 1v1 him but then you and your friends just targeted me and blasted me and then ran back to your spawn. And the thing is, there are pictures of us dead, yet there are none of when we killed you or you always stealthing and running back to your spawn so you don’t die.

Lastly, you say there are no good players in GoM? Yet my friend rapidspeed (a theif) blasted you in a second and you say they are so easy to kill. and My d/d ele friend in the third picture, killed you and your friends several times before you killed him and to my knowledge he only died once. And for the viewers if you look at the third picture, you will see that there are no near GoM players and yet in the text he said help, and you still call my friend bad. Man this is a game not a competition to see who can be the most up themself, just accept there are good players in every server and you are not the best.

how many 1v1s do you want? I gave you a real one after you begged for it, I gave you like 5 attempted 1v1s (in the middle of kiting the zerg you were with mind you) when that little puppy of yours kept jumping me in the middle of our fights (yet only one time did both of you get me, interestingly enough the time when I had no stunbreak). Grats he unfairly killed me another time when I was kiting your raid and had no shadow step, doesn’t mean anything how many times did he jump me (both unfair and fair) and he completely flopped? Like I said thief is a really easy class to play and even easier when you jump others and they have no stunbreaks because they’re focusing on something else ;( ;(

you got me to 2k HP and then I healed. Of course you definitely knew my HP because in this game you can tell what current HP is, and I definitely got you sub 40% when you healed up to 100%. None of that matters you still lost and im just a man im not made out of 1v1’s, pay me money if you want extra life 10g per duel

Also of course i was running back to my spawn so i didn’t die, I kept engaging on your idiot thief friends and downing them in the middle of your groups, and then since it was me in the middle of all of you I kinda had to get out of there asap. However, as soon as we saw an opening we took advantage of it and we wiped all of you. The fact you lose a 7v3 override anything you have to say.

sigh and you guys wonder why I don’t take any of you seriously, just a bunch of fakes

Haha, WOW…. you actually brought this into the forums AND posted a dead picture of me! Were you that kitten over last night’s spawn tussle? And to be frank, that was a “7 vs 3+Legendary Defender/run & stealth & camp to invincible spawn point” battle. There wasn’t ANY point that we were fighting u guys on very fair odds, plus the fact most of u were thieves that just burst one player and stealth away to the spawn point, so don’t bring skill into this. Also when you finally wiped us it was only 4 of us left anyways, and the rest mainly got picked off when you guys went invincible, so don’t give us that “We won 7v3” BS. We could have very easily trashed you guys if u didn’t kept running like sissys into the invincibility zone, and we WERE killing u guys more than u were killing us. I admit you guys were good at reviving each other when u were downed, and we downed you thieves a LOT, but as u urself said as theif are such an easy mode class for WvW, killing us, or me for that matter as a thief is hardly anything worth of merit, especially coming from you. Catch me in a formal 1v1 and I doubt the result will be the same as well.

Speaking of GoM only knowing how to emote, you guys are much worse. I can’t count how many times I’ve roamed our BLs and get chased by 5-10+ ppl, and when/if I get caught they laugh at my body. (Yeah, I’m talking about you specifically [TFG] guild.) I’m all about having good battles and being sportsmanlike, but last night you let the little demon out of me from then on. Killing someone in a 10v1 fashion is hardly something to spam laugh about, but zerging you shortly after you were laughing at us in Woodhaven, after stopping the Hill’s invasion at the lord room… that was worth all the spam laughs afterwards. This was also especially when you decided to start ganking around the Greenlake/Greenwater area afterwards.

Anyways, this is a new day, and new fights to partake in. I hope today will bring much more fun battles than last night… -_- (Apologies for coming off on this post with such animosity, but last night was one of the worst WvW experiences I ever had in terms of said kitteny players and unsportsmanlike fights and conduct.)

Rob.7624:

I like this talk of numbers.

We took on the coordinated 25man [HH] guild this morning when they had everything in EB, with 5 NSP people.

No. Not 5 guildies all in vent and talking.
Just 5 regular average joes following their commander.

We were wiped.. I don’t even know how many times.
But eventually after a couple of attempt and building ram upon ram, we got into Klovan. Seems [HH] think they are too good to repair doors, thankfully. And we just walked around their spawn camp.

After we got that, people had a bit more hope. More of us started to come onto the map and stay there. Before we knew it we had 10 people and could do a breakout event.

Only reason we got Aldons was because the chaps in [HH] fell for the good old fake breakout. And literally as we capped it they appear at the aldons door, where we had to defend like mad.

5 AC’s later and we push them away.

We got our keep back by hold them at the bridge choke point with EVERYONE and having 2 people on rams in the back hitting the doors.
Even then we lost Klovan and had to recap it later on.

I mean.
Talk about numbers.

I’m sure GoM or HoD has 40 people online in their entire server. Go into Lions Arch like we do and ask people to come help.
NSP is a PvE server, but they like free karma too.
When we took back our third in EB, the [HH] guild just quit and left. You had people, but they just didn’t want to bother with us. So what were we supposed to do? Just wait for you guys to come back and defend?

Taking back EB with initially half a dozen people when against 25? I’m sorry but if you think we just strolled around and PvD’d and didn’t have to respawn two dozen times, then you’re truly bad and nothing can save you.

Look at the SS’s of us getting face rolled. There are a few in there.

I’m not a magician, no one can win every fight.
But wearing down the enemy until they just /quit is good enough.

Pretty much gonna parrot what Pyro said, but I think you have a clear misconception about the HH guild of our server is. HH is pretty much a guild that zergs for the battles and kills, not so much capping towers or defending, p.much a kill group first and foremost. Since we had all of the BLs I suppose that was the cause of the alleged spawn camping. Also being in the HH guild myself, we may not be the most tactically sound of groups to zerg in, nor do we focus on one objective for like 10+ hours straight, but BOY the battles we have at times against an opposing zergs are fun, and is a nice unwind from defending said towers and camps. Yes, I know even you NSP have your small kill groups that roam our BLs that I unfortunately run into when solo roaming as well, but that’s what WvW is in this tier, and I’ve learned to deal with it.

Lightsbane.9012:

yup. somehow GOM needs to get all the pve tryhards out of lion’s arch and have a reason to be on GOM instead of somewhere else.

I do agree on this one. There was a time last week where someone brought a whole mob of people late in the last week against DH from a boss event to attempt to take SM from them, and it was prolly one of the first times we ever had a que for EB for a nonweekend day. More LA advertisements!

1) After a few good tussles with the ROFL guild again. (Sorry guys, u came at the wrong time after dealing with an HoD BO) xD

2+3) After which when hangin out at the ruins we find a friendly NSPer and commenced the dance party!

4) With all that dancing and downtime (Finally) its time to hit the sack… let’s have more fun fights in the coming days! <3

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Nuzt.7894:

Actium.8765:

We should just make 1 big kitten thread so we can all talk to eachother instead of separate t6 t7 threads.

yes I agree, why must we be seperated!

IMO Dark Shiverpeaks Vs. Gate of Anvil Vs. Henge of Borlis !

go go go.

Dark Shiverpeaks would win due to best overall coverage in my opinion, but Gates of Rock would definitely be the most fun server by far.

I like the name: Anvil of Madness better IMO xD

OH YEAH, also forgot to mention from last night’s GoM defense, to the [ROFL] group (I think it was them anyways) who attempted to bust through south Hills’s paper gate and succeeded only to have the door reenforce RIGHT as you were rushing in, gotta say tough luck on that one, and we got EXTREMELY lucky since our forces were spread between Woodhaven and Hills at the time (That and I stupidly suicided near the gate trying to get back down to help repair the paper gate.) I still to this min can’t stop laughing seeing that happen tho… Let’s have some fun future battles!

Needs more screenies! Awesome defense of the GoM BLs tonight! BO after BO quickly taken down after getting golem rushed. (NSP, y u no let me sleep?)

This honestly made me “LOL” seeing this outside of Cliffside earlier today… The moment the HoD and DH zergs met each other, they stopped and went on their merry ways.

Yes, spunky has a huge point, as I’d much rather have a fair and honest battle against 2 servers with individual minds, but to have a server who is winning by a big margin and the other server whom we’re neck and neck with for 2nd team up against us at GoM is pretty much a kick in the proverbial balls. Very poor sportsmanship with this move. Yes, GoM is used to being 1v2ed, which isn’t anything new at this point, but it being this obvious its laughable at first, and a bit annoying, but mostly laughable.

PS: And yes Spunky, it then got better then as it was just DH and GoM fighting in the borderlands, specially the garrison fight. Good stuff there

PPS: Also would like to thank HoD for our quick recap of Hills shortly after the garrison reclaim.