This is exactly the type of problems a good design prevents.
A workaround imo would be letting the event where you hunt villagers be one of the 4 required for “It’s a mad king’s world”, giving everyone the chance to complete it and not only those who have the possibility to play over the week.
Another thought on how this could be prevented is – extend the event until the 5th (The date the Black Lion chests stop rewarding Halloween skins) and have the party bit on Saturday.. in which case nobody could say A-Net didn’t try to be considerate of those of us “with a life”.
I don’t think the event should be extended in that manner, I honestly don’t even think all that other stuff should be happening until the 5th either. To the point of my response though, the switching requirements for “It’s a Mad King’s World” sounds reasonable to me, albeit a little late to be implemented. Perhaps this is something the dev team can take into consideration next Halloween and/or for future holiday events.
Ouch. Well, sorry dude, didn’t mean to go overboard. Just had a rough day yesterday and I just wish I could’ve got the hat. That’s all.
It’s all good. I don’t want to leave you with the impression that you don’t have the right to be disappointed because if I was in your shoes, I’d be disappointed too, albeit for different reasons. Hopefully things will work out a little smoother for you next time, take care.
The announcement on the forums (the “heads up” sticky) was made the same day the dungeon was pulled. I do my best to stay current re: game announcements, especially during special events and this was the only notice I saw. Unfortunately, the posting only provided a few hours of “heads up” and the dungeon was gone before I got home from the office.
I’m not upset that I missed out on the title because of this. I had fun throughout the event, but I believe communication could have been better.
Fair enough I suppose. I don’t actually recall when I read the post about it, but once I found out I was up crazy late farming that instance since the hurricane effectively gave me a week long vacation. Regardless, communication can always be improved upon so we at least have that to agree upon.
Because playing the game instead of reading the forums is laziness. Yeah, right.
If an announcement is that important, it should have been ingame. They have already been mailing every char about the different acts – why was that information excluded?
Implying that clicking a couple times to check for new announcements is time consuming? I don’t think so.
So you’re saying having the Act 3 event (and requiring it for an achievement) for 3 days while the rest runs for much longer is not poor design?
It seems like you’re being very thorough about making no relevant point at all..
I’m glad you cope with the lacking thought on some decisions of A-Net, but you have to accept these type of things are more important to others than they are to you.
I’m not making a stance on whether it’s “poor design” or not, I don’t design MMOs for a living and therefore am not qualified to make the same assessments most of the community likes to toss about when something doesn’t fit their time constraints. What I can make a stance for, however, is that it fits the lore and makes sense in terms of gameplay. It’d be silly if we were still under the threat of the Mad King escaping while he wandered about Lion’s Arch telling jokes and whatnot.
Act as you praise Cyric. Don’t tell me to read when you clearly didn’t even bother reading my post. Nowhere was said that the party would net a hat before yesterday, and yes’, I’ve remained informed throughout the entire event, reason why I’ve done every single thing to do in it. If you had even bothered READING, you would’ve READ that I was busy yesterday and had NO time whatsoever to find out about a hat or gather information about the event, reason why I’m finding out and asking TODAY. Nowhere in my post was I being an A’hole, I was asking a simple question and congratulating the devs for a good work but calling out a few bad choices IMO. It’s amusingly ironic how you twist things around without even reading, right? Please kid.
Lol @ the condescending “Please kid” as if you’re some vastly superior person to me. It’s pretty impressive that without even READING your post, I managed to respond with some degree of accuracy, huh? You may notice, good sir, that I didn’t quote your OP. I quoted your response to Nightshadow.1429 regarding your feelings about ANet “shafting the working people”. I responded by expressing my disapproval and inability to understand your perspective on the matter and furthermore went on to explain the irony of finding time to complain on the forum but not the time to read about Act IV.
Whatever you have going on in your personal life is your problem, not ANet’s problem. I’m sorry that isn’t the answer you’re looking for, but that’s all you’re going to get. I disagree with your implied remark about information not being passed around reliably, I didn’t have that problem at all. Btw, your use of “ironic” doesn’t make sense in your retort, sorry kid.
If anything is learned from this I think its that Anet may need to consider more ways to let people know about their time frames for events. Ie. Launcher (not links from launcher, even people are too lazy to click those, but actual news posting that loads directly), in-game news boards, character select news posting or something similar to Gw1.
I kind of agree for the sake of simplicity and kind of disagree because I don’t think being lazy should be justified.
At the end of the day, its sad you missed something like that, but sadly MMOs sometimes require you to stay “well informed” on dates and times of things. And if you can’t play because of IRL stuff, that’s fine, but it should be something you have to come to terms with, with your life. If they want to run the events a certain way they should be able to. People will ALWAYS miss stuff. kitten happens everyday that messes with peoples schedules. Missing one event for a holiday isn’t a big deal. It’ll be there next year. And there is always more events to experience at later dates.
Cheer up, should be some interesting event material coming in November so they say.
^ This.
So anet made an announcement everywhere except for in-game and it’s my fault for not knowing? Got it. Thanks
So you missed the announcement made on the GW2 forums about the dungeon having limited accessibility, yet you managed to get on the forums to make sarcastic complaints. Right…
Protip: Whenever something new is introduced into an MMO, check the forums for patch notes/updates/announcements/news. If you can’t be bothered to click your web browser a couple times, I have no idea what you’re doing playing an MMO.
I agree with this.. I worked really hard trying to get the title for the achievement and because I couldn’t play over the week (army) I missed this..
I feel kinda screwed over, even if A-Net have their reasons.
Like has been said, limiting content to just 2 days while the rest runs for all of Halloween is a very poor decision imo.
It’s not ANet’s fault you had RL responsibilities to attend to. I’m an Army veteran myself and I’ve had to miss A TON of stuff because of the military, but it was my decision to join. I don’t tell my friends they have to have their party on a different weekend because I can’t make it, I just shrug and move on with my life. I suggest you get into that habit while you’re in the military.
Remember this is part of a holiday event which should be easy fun and rewarding.
On the other hand this is an MMO and if I have a problem with an achievement I can ask a friend or my guild for help. But here – there is no way to get help with this.
Furthermore other player make it even more difficult – as a distraction or blocking vision.
To the point though, I bolded where I believe you and many others have flawed mentalities. It begs the question of who decides what holiday events should be about? Should every holiday just be a shower of gear and easy achievements? Should the holiday events fit the theme of said holiday or always be a generic goodie bag of easymode nonsense to indulge in?
Just because it’s a holiday, IMO, doesn’t mean we should get a bunch of faceroll content and be happy with it. Out of all the events that were added for Halloween, there was one event that presented any challenge whatsoever, I personally don’t see the problem in that. If the majority of the events released were that difficult, I’d probably manage, but I would easily recognize that it was unfair for the more casual gamer.
Crap. Well, I loved the entire event and the huge update to the game with the Halloween thing so kudos to you ArenaNet, but congrats on shafting the woking people.. kitten We’ll probably just be able to buy the hat for gems before the event is over….
It’s not shafting the working people…. it’s been running since yesterday since noon every 30-60min for 24h…. How is that shafting people who work?
I don’t get how people don’t know about stuff going on during the events/acts. It takes me all of 10 minutes to read around the forum, read my in-game event mail, and BAM! I’m on my way to whatever new stuff was introduced. It’s amusingly ironic that you can find the time to post on the forums about how you’re being shafted, since the world revolves around you, however you couldn’t be bothered to read around and figure out what was added.
I like how people complained chests dropped garbage before and now that there is a chest that drops everything under the sun, it’s still not good enough…
Events should be festive and enjoyable for everyone. You shouldn’t be aiming for 5% to complete and have fun while frustrating the remaining 95%. Not for Halloween content.
Please show me where that is stated in the MMO Rulebook because clearly half of this community knows how to make a better MMO than a gaming company with a successful MMO already under their belt.
It was a suggestion about the level of difficulty of events. From a player.
Please never work at ArenaNet if this is the kind of attitude you take towards feedback.
Reads more like a demand or an expectation, not a suggestion. My apologies then, I haven’t had my morning smoke yet. -.-
I’d blame it on a terrible ping, good lord man, I don’t know how you manage! In FPS games a ping higher than 130-150 is considered absolutely atrocious, lol.
Events should be festive and enjoyable for everyone. You shouldn’t be aiming for 5% to complete and have fun while frustrating the remaining 95%. Not for Halloween content.
Please show me where that is stated in the MMO Rulebook because clearly half of this community knows how to make a better MMO than a gaming company with a successful MMO already under their belt.
Nope I don’t think its harsh in the least. It sends a message don’t grief in our game or you will get banned. Pranks don’t involve costing people money and stoping them doing an event, espicaly one that is only around for a limited amount of time. If you want to grief people go play eve.
No I don’t have anything stuck somewhere unplesent cyric . I just don’t like griefers. But since you do maybe I should start grifeing you and see how you like it. I’m sure you would be here crying about it in seconds if I did.
He played a prank on people one time, I’m sure they managed to recoup that 1 silver loss relatively quick. He also didn’t keep anyone from any event considering they were all hanging around the boatmaster engaging in a costume brawl. If this was his normal every day activity, I’d probably agree with you, but it was done in the spirit of fun and even the people he pranked weren’t mad. In fact, you’re the only person that’s angry about this… I suggest you should lighten up a bit.
Secondly, I don’t come to this forum to cry and moan about things, I’m an adult.
I don’t think anyone really has any information on what the event is going to be, there is a lot of speculation going around right now about it though. My thoughts? Probably just gonna be something fun to watch and be there for, nothing more or less.
I would love to see Arena Net’s analytics on this event. I’m sure they track how many attempts per player and how many successful tries and failures that player has had. I would be curious to see what the data says. In my opinion, if its less than 70% success, it’s broke. Makes me wonder. Fun really is subjective and how can an MMO cater to all members of their audience?
The simple answer is they can’t. If you’ve been reading the forums about the event in it’s entirety so far, you’ll see that someone always has something to complain about. Many players seem to have the attitude that a game shouldn’t have difficulty diversity, others are from an era where a core part of videogames was the difficulty, and others simply just want a free ride for one reason or another. Needless to say, each one of these mentalities is selfish in a way but that’s the nature of the beast. I don’t really see what the big deal is with just accepting you’re going to be 10 achievement points behind somebody else, nor do I understand why voluntarily sinking hours into a puzzle you hate (not you specifically) is somehow ANet’s fault.
An MMO is essentially a theme park, IMO, provided to you in the comfort of your own home. Sure, you paid your “submission fee” to get in and as such you deserve to be treated as a paying patron. I don’t feel that this gives people the right to dictate how a company designs it’s “rides” (in most cases, obviously there are exceptions) or what portion of their “patrons” they decide to cater to at any given time. Nobody goes to the Six Flags Halloween Event and then writes angry letters to Six Flags about how because of their heart condition or lack of courage they were unable to participate in every activity designed by the park.
Just saying, I think a lot of this community needs to put things in perspective and calm down. Stomping your feet about every little thing you dislike just makes you (again, not you specifically) childish and it’s hard to take someone like that seriously.
@Nayru: That was an inappropriate response which has no contribution to my topic. Thanks for replying anyway.
Actually he did contribute to your thread. He provided you with an alternative solution, albeit in a rude manner, to your problem that relies less on the good graces of other players. Just because someone disagrees with an OP or has something less than pleasant to say doesn’t mean it should always be immediately dismissed as useless.
Aside from that, I support your stance against verbal abuse in the Clocktower. I don’t play a Charr or Norn and I haven’t seen any verbal abuse myself, but I can guarantee you I wouldn’t stand for it if I did. I hope this thread achieves what it is setting out to accomplish.
Well so its done, complains are unecessary. who dont like puzzles just dont do it like me the reward isnt nothing special!
Btw thanks to say me that will not waste more time there
You’re very welcome, I just wish more people were as easily satisfied as you are.
so the ones that will not be winners well stay falling on the puzzles, or do not make the special events because of the puzzles? i do not say that we should remove them but at least they could not count for the special events, so the ones who want to do it just do it and be rewarded the ones that cant or dont want well just dont do it and everybody will be happy
The Clocktower achievement doesn’t actually count towards the Emissary title that people want, so if that’s the only reason you’re killing yourself trying to complete it, take solace in the knowledge that you can skip it.
They need to just remove the puzzle. All it has accomplished is causing a major fight among the community.
The puzzle isn’t the problem, it’s merely the catalyst in a generation of gamers who feel like they’re owed something. A generation of gaming that can’t accept that not everyone is going to be a winner.
My opinion here? DO SOMETHING, please! BEFORE Nov 1st!! I want to feeling of accomplishment of doing all achievements of Halloween the first time around, not a year from now(if it’s even accessible that time).
Would you truly feel accomplished knowing that certain things had to be watered down to accommodate you because you couldn’t meet the level of skill required?
I think it’s a great challenge, but by simply making this a private instance, it would be a lot better.
Agreed, I feel like that would be a suitable solution for a lot of people. Of course, people would then complain that the camera is far too buggy or that their instance is glitched with flying dragons knocking them off the clocktower. Many people (not all) just want a free and easy ride because effort is just too much, well, effort.
In my opinion, I think having others to fail with makes it a lot more fun, and it helps with the patience factor. It’s great that this event has more of a social aspect to it than most PvE activities.
I agree, I think the social aspect needs more recognition. It certainly helped me keep a lighthearted attitude while attempting it, I probably would’ve gotten far more frustrated had I been solo.
4 hours to just do some lame kitten jumping.. Not worth the time..
I don’t know what is more shocking, the high rate of failure or the amount of time some people sat solely at this puzzle.
So, what should they be doing instead than spending all the time doing the puzzle? Please enlighten me. Should we be running dungeons? Should we be grinding in the Labyrinth? I was more than happy to spend my entire night partying with others who were attempting the jumping puzzle. I’ve completed it but I plan on going back tonight because I had so much fun.
Well, since you asked:
Lunatic Inquisition
Mad King’s Labyrinth
Reaper’s Rumble
WvW
Crafting
Farming
Running other, simpler jumping puzzles
Dungeons
Traditional sPvP
Exploration
RP (if that’s your thing)
Play the TP
The list goes on and on. My response to Vistol.2906 was not meant to incite some kind of rage, it simply seems like an unhealthy amount of time to focus on the single thing without a break. People often don’t realize that if you run yourself ragged on something, it’s likely you’re going to actually get worse at it. You need to take a break to allow your mind to digest what it’s trying to absorb.
I think certain people do that because the achievement itself means nothing unless it can be lorded over others who are having problems for whatever reason. It’s sad enough when this is done with things in real life but when people (many of whom are allegedly adults) do this with pixelated content in a video game, I really have to shake my head in amazement…and more than a little pity. It’s really a sad way to live feeling that’s one’s personal accomplishments mean nothing in and of themselves but MUST be constantly compared to those of others.
I agree with the content of your comment absolutely. Even the developer of the puzzle stated his belief that only approximately 5% of players would be able to do this puzzle successfully. Did he say that with the already existent problems in mind such as the camera bugs, the additional problems that would occur with the camera by forcing large and small races into the same small space, the lag for mid to low end systems, the fact that MMO’s are not actually designed well for platform styled game play especially with a VERY strict timer, etc? Could they have kept the challenge while addressing those issues? Yes, they could have but didn’t care to do so.
Nice to see you’re in this thread tossing around your holier than thou attitude here as well, always consistent, I like that.
Oh and for the sake of adding something to this thread, perhaps they weren’t aware of the present issues in the puzzle. I’m not going to point fingers, but mistakes happen or things get overlooked, this wasn’t exactly a tiny update. Also to note, the puzzle hasn’t been unbeatable for quite a few people on a wide spectrum of computers and/or encountering some of these unfortunate bugs.
Arenenet if you change anything I would say solo instance but nothing more. Dont take away the accomplishment that others made doing it the way it currently is. Other games have made this mistake (Star Wars Galaxies, NGE) and it doomed the game. This is the problem with out society these days, parents have taught their kids that everyone wins with this not keeping score at game and crap. Not everyone can be a winner but that is what makes you strive hard to be better. Im sorry for anyone who physically cannot do it but we cannot force the whole world to bend to that level or we would all be reduced to playing games made for 5 year olds.
So a mini game, unlike anything in the game prior can only be fun and worth playing if you get rewards for doing it?
Fun is subjective, but most of the threads in this section cry for better rewards, titles or reduced difficulty. Everything you do has to give you something and nothing can be about just doing it to do it. Leading everything to really only be about what will I get, I want something better, I want more more more.
There’s no achievement for doing this specific event and the “reward” isn’t that great.. so if you’re not having fun doing it or not having fun with what you receive, why bother? Just my opinion.
Fair enough and you’re correct on many points. However I get the impression this thread isn’t so much of a “the reward isn’t good enough” thread, but more of a “everyone should get something for participating” thread. I did a lot of Lunatic Inquisition and had so much fun I didn’t even notice I wasn’t getting rewards at some point, knowing that now I would go so far as to say I would’ve also enjoyed a consolation prize.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with everyone getting something out of it, regardless of their motivation to play the game mode.
I think a big thing that doesn’t get mentioned often is the social aspect of the Clocktower. After a couple failed runs, you get to talking with the people in your “group” in between runs, and it’s fun. While I dislike the whole Norn/Charr issue with them being all up in my Koolaid, I did enjoy how the puzzle sort of became a group effort or a friendly competition.
key board and mouse is 100% different then a 4 button controller. Since tou dont need to control a camera and jump and try and figure out WTF you are and cant see cus of bad grafix and bad camera issues + barley any jump control. THIS ISNT A PLATFORMER get rid of jumping quests .
Oh stop it, if you don’t like them then don’t do them. I don’t like crafting so I stay away from it, I don’t demand it be removed. Some people don’t like PvP so they stay away from it, they don’t demand it be removed.
I completed the puzzle but there is no reason to insult people using a comparison that has no basis.
How exactly is saying that Super Mario 64 would have helped hone your platforming ability an insult? I agree it’s throwing fuel in the fire, but it’s by no means an insult.
I just now beat it. It was pretty hard but so fun. I haven’t felt this invigorated from a platforming experience in a while. It’s intense, and I’m glad it’s in the game.
There was a thread floating around just before where the OP was whining about how hard the puzzle was and stomping her feet about it not being fair. The thread ended when she finally completed it and then told us she was just being a big baby and felt really good about completing it.
You and I appreciate a good challenge, others apparently do not. :\
Agreed, i wouldnt mind it being this hard if it wasnt tied to the halloween main achievment which i’v been planning on getting, only problem is that i can do all of the other achievments but the clocktower -.-
Please remove this achievment from the halloween ones atleast, or make it easier, even making it a solo instance is better.
The puzzle achievement isn’t counted towards the Emissary title, fret no more!
Yeah, while the waiting didn’t bother me terribly, I can definitely get behind an instanced version. Would definitely help with the whole Charr tail slapping you in the face the whole way up the tower too, lol.
I already joined both pvp games but they don’t show up as places on my achievement bar.
Reaper’s Rumble wouldn’t show on mine for awhile, but a relog fixed that. Also, this may seem bizarre, but kudos to you for taking initiative and Googling something.
I’m not being combative, I’m paying attention to what the vast majority are saying on the forums.
Me attempting to explain to you that I agree with your stand on camera and player fixes
The OP sounded like a “please nerf this because I’m incapable and everything must be made to accommodate me” to me, maybe I’m just jaded by WoW and what ended up happening with that game.
Also, my 2nd post in this thread I actually did agree that characters blocking each other was an issue. I also acknowledged that although I didn’t have any camera issues, perhaps it was just my setup AKA I didn’t dismiss the potential of the problem just because I didn’t experience it.
My 2nd post in this thread, which coincidentally supports the very things you’re attacking me about
Nonsense, I’ve run into plenty of people who love the puzzle and I see more positive posts about it than negative. As for the “unacceptable design flaws”, half of them are just nitpicking. Standing around chatting with people while you wait for the puzzle to reset isn’t that big of a deal IMO, watching a 5 second cutscene isn’t that big of a deal IMO either. Being blocked by enormous charr and norn is annoying, I’ll agree, but after a few go’s at the puzzle it’s not particularly difficult to remember where to jump. Lastly, I never had a single camera issue with the jump puzzle… I play with my camera about 3-4 clicks out from full zoom in, so maybe that had something to do with it.
Regardless of all this, I stand by my statement that near-meaningless achievements shouldn’t be cheapened for the sake of someone’s inability to _ achieve_ them.
The only thing I’m against is the nerfing, AKA dumbing down, of this puzzle. I have absolutely no reason to refute any claims of bad camera angles, speed exploits, or players blocking your view. Stop being so intent on telling me I don’t read posts when you clearly aren’t reading mine, you’re fighting me for literally no reason.
Lmao. For some reason all the formatting options just vanish and they only re-appear if I post something first. Something inside me demands I quote instead of typing @so&so, feels more official to quote I guess. -.-
If the latter was aimed at me, I really don’t have an ego to speak of. Several times in my younger days, in fact, I did exactly the same kitten thing, because slinging poop at the people I perceived to be idiots was actually pretty fun.
Then life slapped me in the face and I grew up a bit.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m as allergic to stupid as the next person is. The only difference is that I’m allergic to the stupid on both sides of the argument. The people who demand a nerf because “Holybawlswhatisthiswhyisitsohard” irritate me as much as the people who say “well I can do it so you must just suck”
Maybe it’s because I like meatier arguments where people actually bring facts alongside them instead of just mindlessly tossing poop around.
(You’d be one of the above. I enjoy reading the majority of your posts because, while I don’t agree on all points, they’re well articulated and make a lot of sense.)
TL;DR – if people are going to mindlessly throw poop at one another, the least they could do is hide stones in there.
Oooo… I suddenly like you a little too much, lmao. I totally agree with you and some of my posts get kind of heated though because I feel like I’m slamming my head against a wall.
Please, oh please, tell me where I failed to read your post that detailed what the “actual” issues are and then proceeded to tell me I don’t read posts. I’m pretty confident that I addressed all your points with valid retorts from my 2nd post in this thread where I supported the very things you claimed were the “actual” issues at hand.
I have no reason to not want people to complete the puzzle, you might be mistaking that for my absolute disgust at this silver platter generation who think they can just have everything lowered to their level of utter incompetence if they shed enough tears. You know what I do when I want to get better at something, anything? I practice until I can do it if it means that much to me.
P.S. The creator of the map himself said he didn’t expect more than 5% of the population to successfully complete the puzzle, hurr durr.
The only problem I see with the “only those who truly made the effort” mentality is, again (I feel like a parrot) the fact the puzzle is available for a limited amount of time. Which means that some people who truly made an effort won’t make it in time.
Though if the event will repeat next year/the same puzzle will be available again, I have a lot less issues with it. As long as there are more chances to try than just the next four days, I’m content.
It just occurred to me that I haven’t even bothered to ask this, but why do the people who are complaining about this puzzle being too hard have to complete it? Why is it such a big deal to look at this one thing in a potpourri of events and just say “You know what, this is out of my league.” and move on?
I swear, those of us that enjoy a challenge just can’t have it for very long because people always expect everything to be watered down to their level of incompetence.
I’m sorry man, but I vote against a nerf on a 100% optional and barely rewarding (item-wise) puzzle that was actually entertainingly difficult.
who dont like puzzles just dont do it like me the reward isnt nothing special!