Guild Wars 2

Leo G.4501:

Daecollo.9578:

Yes, but they also get to keep some damage, while we have none…

You’re never going to gain credibility with exaggerations like that.

I could probably go fight someone in PvP with balanced weapons and no traits and do more than 0 damage like you seem to suggest I would.

Nothing has changed in the past weeks, we just received some unreliable condition removal and we have the same crappy heals as before.

Sorry but your argument is pointless because we have already talked about how bad the heals are.

Take a look at the last SOTG.

darkace.8925:

Daecollo.9578:

So where is that sustain we were promised?

It’s over there with the equipment, utility skills, and traits you refuse to utilize.

I do utilize them, I just don’t see the sustain still.

docMed.7692:

Daecollo.9578:

docMed.7692:

I run a very balanced wvw build that is viable (and I use it) in 300-400+ tpvp. Figure out a way to work quick breathing (Warhorn reduction and condi conversion) into your build and you’ll find some pretty good survivability regarding conditions. There are a multitude of good builds out there for WvW, sadly for pvp it is extremely limited and even then they are only slightly comprable. I build my warrior for tpvp like I do a roaming/support ele and find that it is quite good for this role (team support, survivability and offensive pressure). The warrior is by no means though a thief/engi style class with high amounts of burst and also the means of escapaing/surviving pressure easily. So yes, if you want to play your warrior with a ton of high dps in tpvp, you will get crushed.

So basicly: Don’t play a warrior in TPVP. Got it

More; don’t run super offensive dps builds and expect to do well like a thief/trap ranger/condi engi can do. They do be default however, have a much higher overall dps ability (i.e. look at pve, it’s quite obvious there), so by scaling back offensive capability, you can pick up the needed survivability and still provide some strong offensive pressure.

So basicly: Don’t play a warrior in TPVP. Got it

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

Leo G.4501:

Fenrir.5493:

This numbers are a joke i actually used a clerics amulet and test it right when the patch become online and i was like… this is BS, now add to this that we now need to use adrenaline in order to clean conditions so much for the passive…

Why do people keep saying this?

- Soldier Runes
- Melandru Runes
- Berserker’s Stance
- Dogged March
- Restorative Strength
- Warhorn
- Quick Breathing
- Shake it Off!
- Shrug it Off
- Mending

THEY STILL EXIST! USE THEM!

But Leo, I can’t go full offense and have comparable condition cleansing and sustain like the guardian can… QQ /sarcasm.

It’s like people know how they want to play and acknowledge their weaknesses but still think it’s the dev’s fault for the choices they make.

Says the guardian player with sustain and more dps…

Puandro.3245:

Daecollo.9578:

Puandro.3245:

Daecollo.9578:

To bad the problem is we don’t sit at full adrenaline anymore, we constantly use it.

Also, that is horrible. Altruistic healing with 0 healing power heals for 5 times as much.

Altruistic Healing is kittening garbage. Do you even know guardian skills. If you are going to discuss something at least know the subject you are talking about.

Are you talking PvP or PvE? When you trash talk someone, please clarify.

PvP. You replied to me you should now what i was talking about if you started an argument, take your own advice.

Then meditations.

docMed.7692:

I run a very balanced wvw build that is viable (and I use it) in 300-400+ tpvp. Figure out a way to work quick breathing (Warhorn reduction and condi conversion) into your build and you’ll find some pretty good survivability regarding conditions. There are a multitude of good builds out there for WvW, sadly for pvp it is extremely limited and even then they are only slightly comprable. I build my warrior for tpvp like I do a roaming/support ele and find that it is quite good for this role (team support, survivability and offensive pressure). The warrior is by no means though a thief/engi style class with high amounts of burst and also the means of escapaing/surviving pressure easily. So yes, if you want to play your warrior with a ton of high dps in tpvp, you will get crushed.

So basicly: Don’t play a warrior in TPVP. Got it

You know something is wrong with the class when you have to use unintended mechanics to win. Sorry, hehe.

Not to mention rangers have evades all over the place and invulnerability that also soaks up even more damage… They also have more dodges and protection and much easier access to regeneration (without sacrificing 30 points and doing what we do below.)

We also have to carry around a banner all day to get that regen.. lol not viable.

Dand.8231:

Skelemiere.3094:

I didn’t say I was the best, or I was unique. I stated it was possible to use sustain if you specc for it.

Yes, warriors can get their sustain if they sacrifice 30 into Defense, and 30 into Tactics.

All the other classes however, get some moderate sustain baseline, and can enhance that sustain by traiting.

This is somewhat opinion based, but maybe this can help clarify what the issue is…..

Sustain (Balanced Trait Build )
Guard 6/10
Ele 5/10
Engy 5/10
Warrior 2/10

Sustain (Bunker Trait Build)
Guard 10/10
Ele 9/10
Engy 9/10
Warrior 7/10

The issue is not our sustain if we trait it, it’s that we have really poor sustain relative to other classes if we don’t

Sustain (Balanced Trait Build )
Guard 8/10
Ele 7/10
Ranger 7/10
Engy 6/10 (but they can fight at ranged.)
Warrior 3/10

Sustain (Bunker Trait Build)
Guard 10/10
Ele 9/10
Ranger 9/10
Engy 7/10 (but they can fight at ranged.)
Warrior 4/10

Its more like this. All we can do to get more sustain is get more toughness, which really doesn’t matter after you get 2800…

Yes, but they also get to keep some damage, while we have none…

it only has up to 488 base damage. Backstab has 814 damage.

It only hits 10k against trash.

Now fight an enemy with blind.

Lyonell.1753:

@Leo G: Oh really? Healing meditations added to the insane survivalbility of the guardian give you the ability to stay on target, remove conditions, turn em into boons, support your allies and so on it goes, same goes with shout build. The spiritual weapons are the only not so well thought or kinda useless utility I see in the guardian.

Healing shouts add very little sustain and sacrifice your utility slots. Even with soldier’s shouts removing conditions don’t add for enough sustain. Again you need 30 points in the vit tree which for a warrior is worthless in every way. More hp adds nothing since we can’t heal it back or keep it from going down the toilet due to no protection or aegis or any real source of damage reduction.

Again sacrificing utilities to get crit. Yeah…this shows how broken the class is.

Well I can log my ranger and show you. WvW wise nothing can kill him, spvp wise his sustain is insane enough if property played and his damage is good enough even after the pet’s nerf.

@Skelemiere: Clearly you’re either trolling or you really have no idea what you’re talking about. Let’s put it this way, every other warrior are facing the problems, yet you aren’t. I fought a bunch of warriors today in spvp… None proven close to a challenge. If you aren’t encountering all these problems then share your build, show a video or something.

I am glad some warriors actually know what they are talking about.

Also:

I would like to see the claim done in balanced: SPVP too.

Puandro.3245:

Daecollo.9578:

To bad the problem is we don’t sit at full adrenaline anymore, we constantly use it.

Also, that is horrible. Altruistic healing with 0 healing power heals for 5 times as much.

Altruistic Healing is kittening garbage. Do you even know guardian skills. If you are going to discuss something at least know the subject you are talking about.

Are you talking PvP or PvE? When you trash talk someone, please clarify.

fadeaway.2807:

I didn’t particularly enjoy this video. You beat an inferior warrior who was clearly not prepped for 1v1 dominance like you were twice (she would have killed you twice in the first fight if you didn’t have stomp stunbreak or defy pain) and allowed her to vengeance three times. She sat and ate an 8k 100blades. She was not specced for defy pain which is one of the best 1v1 talents an offensive warrior can pack whereas yours procced at 25% and saved your life at the 1min35sec mark. In the second fight she had a guard on her as well.

Your sustain is nothing special, you were able to outheal the ele because she did terrible damage. On the other hand your damage is very high and she managed to sustain through it. She was obviously wearing cleric gear for drawn out fights due to how much the hp bar moved on your 5-6k eviscerates rather than expecting to find zerkers and need vitality. This meant it was easy for you to burst her down with a rather basic combo of shield stun, eviscerate and whirlwind. I’m surprised the fight lasted as long as it did, though that was probably because you made sloppy mistakes such as eviscerating through protection buffs which were due to expire in 2 seconds and popping bullrush while the ele had stability up from armour of earth.

I wouldn’t have bothered replying but the title ‘sustainable god’ annoyed me.

Me too.

To bad the problem is we don’t sit at full adrenaline anymore, we constantly use it.

Also, that is horrible. Altruistic healing with 0 healing power heals for 5 times as much.

We don’t even always sit at stage 3 anymore for Adrenal health to heal as much as it did before.

I like how all these new names come in after an update to tell us we are fine…

Pistolwhip/Scoob, keep up the good fight fellow Warriors!

They need to do more then just -5 seconds on all the heals, that was just a lazy thing and it should of never been done.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Swiftness

Methinks you do not know how swiftness works.

Warrior’s damage was brought down low.

You say he hits 1.2k? That is how much sword hits and axe hits now. However we only have 1/5 the sustain they do with the same HP?

This isn’t right.

Here is the problem:

Even with 1500 healing power, you will still have 2/5 the healing a guardian/thief/elementalist/other classes can bring with 0 healing power.

Your logic is flawed because we are in such a bad state right now its not even funny. The changes to adrenal health don’t even make sense anymore because now we are constantly at 0 or full adrenaline so it has a chance to heal for kitten, its no longer HPS. Based off that we actually heal for less then we do before if we go tanky.

Hehe, thank ya guys

This is what warriors needed from torment…

Remove useless Kick

Add:

Ball and Chain (Cooldown: 20)
Throw a massive chain at your target and pull them to you.
Damage: 292
3 Torment: 10 s (960 damage)
Combo Finisher: Physical Projectile
Range: 1,200

Yaki.9563:

That healway guardian build in the video is cleric’s gear + defensive/support traits. Put a warrior in those fights with cleric’s gear and 0/0/20/30/20 and you’d do just as fine. Or are you seriously suggesting that guardian dps > warrior dps when both have no damage increasing traits and wearing the same gear?

Edit: That guardian also wouldn’t have beat the elementalist in the OP’s video or anything else with sufficient defensive capabilities.

LOL….

No you will not. Sorry.

Warriors have no traits that heal.

Oreoginal.1580:

Hey Daecollo, can we see your current Warrior build? I’m really curious what you run with as a Warrior.

Currently i’m running 0/10/30/0/30 Hammer + Axe/Axe, however hammer is bugged atm and roots me a lot. I’m testing out Axe/Axe to see how much damage it does.

Listen to me well, this is how to fix the Warrior Class, these will be ridiculous because that is pretty much what we need to counter the complete fail we have as a class. We currently take much more damage then every other class due to the fact we have no get out of jail free cards, no stealth, poor condition removal, vulnerability to conditions, no cheesy evades, no free blocks, and last but not least, no protection or damage reduction.

Lets start by looking at our heals.

Healing Surge (Cooldown: 30)
Gain protection and adrenaline. Cures burning, poison, torment, and bleeding.
Healing: 9,820 (1.50)?
Protection: 4 s
Adrenaline: 30

Lets look at our traits.

Defense Tree

- Remove Thick Skin.
Replace with: Blind Rage. When blinded, cure blinds and become immune to blinds for 4 seconds, gain 4 seconds of quickness. (Cooldown: 15)

- Cull the Weak: Weakness you apply last 50% longer. Increases damage to weakened foes by 5%.

- Sure Footed: Increases Stance Duration by 25%. Reduces cooldown of stance skills by 20%. When a stance ends gain 5 seconds of protection.

- Spiked Armor: Gain 5 seconds of Protection and Retaliation when struck with a hit that takes more then 10% of your life. (Cooldown: 10)

- Adrenal Health: Gain health when you gain a strike of adrenaline. Gain health based on Adrenaline levels. (Instead, you get more healing when its lower, not higher.)
(At level 80, the amount healed per strike is 69 + 0.1 * Healing Power.)

(Currently it goes against the idea of “Holding your Adrenaline.”)

Tactics Tree

- Remove Determined Revival:
Replace with: Determination: Increases all healing the warrior receives by 15%.

- Remove Fast Healer:
Replace with: Death Watch: Increases revive speed by 15%, healing skills reset while reviving. (Cooldown: 60s)

- Remove Reviver’s Might:
Replace with: Fierce Commander: Utility skills heal the warrior for double. In addition, your allies gain might for 15 seconds every 3 seconds, as long as you are holding a banner.

That is all i’m touching, I feel this would give us the sustain and healing traits we need to survive in SPvP, each one is calculated against what other classes receive for traits and I believe that they are fair.

Skelemiere.3094:

Daecollo.9578:

Oreoginal.1580:

Daecollo.9578:

Video.

15char

Edited. Thanks! (:

You have no sustain. Your health through most of the fight stayed the same.

sus·tain (s-stn)
tr.v. sus·tained, sus·tain·ing, sus·tains
1. To keep in existence; maintain.
2. To supply with necessities or nourishment; provide for.
3. To support from below; keep from falling or sinking; prop.
4. To support the spirits, vitality, or resolution of; encourage.
5. To bear up under; withstand: can’t sustain the blistering heat.
6. To experience or suffer: sustained a fatal injury.
7. To affirm the validity of: The judge has sustained the prosecutor’s objection.
8. To prove or corroborate; confirm.
9. To keep up (a joke or assumed role, for example) competently.

You did none of these things.

Funny because according to these definitions, it’s exactly what Oreoginal did.

Thats because his HP was totally going up quickly that fight and not staying anywhere like a punching bag.

Yes totally right man.

Oreoginal.1580:

Daecollo.9578:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SADwGETO2U

This is sustain, it means your health is going up instead of staying at 17k forever…

Sorry but this is what you don’t have.

Oh I see, so you basically want a Guardian that can dish out the same damage as the Warrior. I guess that makes sense…

No, I want a Warrior who can actually last in a fight and keep his up up, its called sustain. There is a difference.

Sorry but at the moment we don’t have sustain.

This is how you sustain.

See how his health goes up to 100% every 3 seconds from 75%? That is what sustain means.

Your just a punching bag with a lot of HP, if your pressured by anything you will go down immediately. 1v1s will not pressure you and this guy is taking on 3 people, out-healing you…

This is sustain, it means your health is going up instead of staying at 17k forever…

Sorry but this is what you don’t have.

New stance idea for warrior.

Bend Over (Cooldown: 25 s)
Frenzy: 6 s: You take 25% more damage.

Oreoginal.1580:

Daecollo.9578:

Video.

15char

Edited. Thanks! (:

You have no sustain. Your health through most of the fight stayed the same.

sus·tain (s-stn)
tr.v. sus·tained, sus·tain·ing, sus·tains
1. To keep in existence; maintain.
2. To supply with necessities or nourishment; provide for.
3. To support from below; keep from falling or sinking; prop.
4. To support the spirits, vitality, or resolution of; encourage.
5. To bear up under; withstand: can’t sustain the blistering heat.
6. To experience or suffer: sustained a fatal injury.
7. To affirm the validity of: The judge has sustained the prosecutor’s objection.
8. To prove or corroborate; confirm.
9. To keep up (a joke or assumed role, for example) competently.

You did none of these things.

Oreoginal.1580:

Here’s a video demonstrating the Warrior sustainability after the patch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOgyt0UnHe8

So far, I see poor sustainability.

None of your opponents pressured you at all.

You fought a warrior, a bad ele, and another warrior.

You have no sustain, your health stayed at the same place through most of the fight as they just ran around you.

Video.

15char

Skelemiere.3094:

Daecollo.9578:

Skelemiere.3094:

lol warriors have sustain if you specc for it, if you want the build, I will give it to you once the skill calculator is updated.

Where is the trait that improved my damage reduction and healing?

Maybe use cleansing ire. Oh maybe use berserker’s powers along with it. How about banners? They give nice regeneration and good team support.. (and other benefits). Why don’t you also use cleric trinkets and dwayna jewels. Hmm

Kay.

I got it. I still die quick.

Now what?

Skelemiere.3094:

lol warriors have sustain if you specc for it, if you want the build, I will give it to you once the skill calculator is updated.

Where is the trait that improved my damage reduction and healing?

So where is that sustain increase?

Currently its

“You gain might when you block an attack.”

it should say:

“You might gain block when you attack.”

I’m always upset….

Nope.

15char.

Xsorus.2507:

Daecollo.9578:

With 1500 healing power I still have 2/5 the healing of a guardian with no healing power. Lulz

With 1500 Healing Power you can have 500 Heal per second with max adrenal bars which is more than a Ranger has.

While you do have 5 seconds more on your main heal then us, You will have a comparable heal of about 10k (I got to around 9.8k in SPvP with 1200 Healing Power or so) so its about Comparable to Trolls

Your biggest problem though will be lack of Protection.

We don’t have constant adrenal bars anymore.

Rangers have CONSTANT evades and CONSTANT protection, so they take a lot less damage, they also can be at ranged as well a lot so they can avoid the bruising.

You can’t compare the classes because they are just different. Warriors should heal more because they take a lot more damage.

With 1500 healing power I still have 2/5 the healing of a guardian with no healing power. Lulz

Warrior Healing Spells:

Bolster (Cooldown: 30)
Gain protection and adrenaline. Cures burning, poison, and bleeding.
Healing: 8,780 (2.0)?
Protection: 4 s
Adrenaline: 30

(This skill is based off of Hide in Shadows)

Signet of Sustain (Cooldown: 25)
Passive: Grants regeneration.
Active: Heal yourself.
Healing Signet: 450 (0.2) heal per sec
Healing: 9,275 (2.0) then lose 450 health every second for 10 seconds.

Mend Wounds (Cooldown: 15)
Heal and cure a condition for allies. This skill is a physical skill.
Healing: 4,240 (2.0)
Heal per condition cured for each allie: 724 (0.2)

3/10….

We need more sustain…

lordkrall.7241:

So basically making Warriors extremely OP?

Idk, that seems excessive… 4 weapon slots just feels like to much and spam-day.

Its because the skill roots you still.

They need to make it not root you…

I now die easier then ever!

Adrenal Health now doesn’t really work with the new cleansing Ire… now that we are constantly fighting between full and no adrenaline it barely heals for what it used to.

Healing Signet never got its passive buffed. Probably should double or even triple it. Or just make it a utility skill, remove the active heal and replace with some protection or a stun break or something…

Cleansing Ire only works after you need it. I need that confusion, torment, immobilize, cripple, chill, blind off before I use my burst…

Mending has to long of a cool-down. Lower it to 15-20 seconds, or 20 and make it a physical skill to make the trait more attractive.

Healing Surge is counter-productive, unlike any other heal in the game. It should simply heal for a lot and give 30 adrenaline and maybe cure burning/bleeding/poison… Just make it our version of hide in shadows with healing atleast 50% of our base health.

Add a trait that gives us health when we gain strikes of adrenaline? Hey that could be the new Adrenal Health!

30/0/0/10/30 or go Guardian. You can’t get Dorceful Greatsword anymore.