I love being a thief main. Makes everything in the game feel easy when you’re on other classes. As a thief, (from my experience) you tend to look at situations a little more tactically (if that’s a word) You learn very quick how to identify other peoples builds and react to/counter them. Despite the fact that people think we always run away, if you teach yourself early on to commit to a target you will yield impressive results.
After a long time of playing against almost every build in the game, I don’t really ever feel outclassed (except by engis but that’s cause I don’t seem to get fights with them very often) and when you start getting really comfortable with your build you won’t really ever feel unsurvivable because you learn all the little tricks to make you tankier/more survivable.
I personally feel useful everywhere as I seem to be able to find a role to fill anywhere I go whether it be zerging or infiltrating I can fill a spot and contribute positively.
When you reach a high skill level with your thief, yes you will feel all powerful because you’ll realize you are winning outnumbered fights all the time but you will die quite a bit in your life, that can’t discourage you from playing the class (neither can the community hate).
I personally feel you can do anything, it just may require a different approach that you may need to learn the hard way a few times but it is 100% possible to do whatever you want on a thief.
And finally, thief main is so much fun! You can go havoc or small man group with friends, do stealth missions into enemy towers and hit the back of zergs all while feeling you are actually getting better at the game instead of just spamming nonsense *cough*CONDI BUNKERS*cough*
Very down to Earth, humble, real reply
Thanks man!
Thanks for your input all.
I initially started out as a mesmer main and quickly shifted over to necro because I like to control and be indomitable. What I didn’t like about necro is that it falls short of most game modes and is really very niche in a select few places such as tPvP and WvW zergs. I want to be able to play the game for all it is — though the warrior is dreadfully boring.
So I was exploring the idea of elementalist. All of y’all’s input has helped me a lot in my decision making process; you’ve got a new ele main in the world
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I have tried playing as a variety of classes (Human engineer, norn guardian) and i have not gotten very far, most recently i tried a Syvari Necro and i dont know if I should. Im gong to mostly play pve. Is the class good? Any suggestions on what i should play, im very into rpgs but im very new to mmos. What class and race should i play?
Hey mancorn, I can help you out
What kind of playstyle do you enjoy?
What kind of things do you like to do in PvE?
As for race — what are you struggling with?
I disagree.
That’s fine, people used to disagree about the world being round. They were wrong then, and you’re wrong now.
What you just said can be applied to any other class. The only things you can’t expect from necros are stealth, portaling, and reflection.
Also banners, spirit buffs, any AoE boon spam that isn’t regen, finishers in general, fire/water fields, conjured weapons, a few traits that throw out AoE stat increases, boon removal that isn’t in large bursts on long CDs… There is a lot we can’t do, and very little that we can that someone else can’t.
And while not only can we condition cleanse, but we can condition TRANSFER
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Not directly from our allies to enemies, only from allies to ourselves then to enemies, by blowing our own condition removal in the process.
I like that necros have easy access to so many things without needing to specialize into one niche. Condition transfer, AoE buffs, controlling conditions, DPS, Zone control AoE — and all without specialization. Sure a guardian specced in purely healing can heal better, but that guardian has just lost out on everything else.
Not at all true. A warrior can spec for full DPS and spam might, vulnerability, banners, and boost their own and their allies DPS better.
We don’t specialize into a niche because we don’t have one. Everyone else doesn’t specialize into a niche either. The only niche for PvE is damage, which coincidentally everyone else fills just as well as us while bringing better utility.
These are simply factual statements that can be backed up by any member of the “hardcore” PvE community. Go read the stickied thread at the top of our forums about PvE builds, go ask anyone who tries to set speed run records, we are literally the worst at providing utility to our team.
Feel free to list whatever game mode you want, if you’re going for a specific one. We have bad general utility in them all, the only reason we do well in WvW is because of how tanky we get in zergs or how much power AoE we can do, and in tPvP its our burst boon removal paired with very strong CC+condition damage. But even then, these aren’t necessarily unique things, they are just things we currently do better.
You just named a bunch of class-specific traits. Of course necromancers don’t have banners nor spirit weapons, but neither do eles, engineers, or any other classes except for the single class that has those.
Your arguments are stale and you’re recycling the same statements, your only standing excuse being that others on the forum have said so.
Necromancers do have a niche, and that niche is control through conditions and zones.
As far as I’m concerned, Necromancer DPS is nearly the same as Warriors, who have the highest DPS. We are missing on cleave and AoE might, but we make up for that with AoE wells, torment, and incredible vulnerability stacking — persistent 20% increased damage from all sources on a boss is nothing to scoff at, especially when it comes paired with spammable weakness, blind, chill, and cripple.
As for trash mobs, those are easily taken care of through wells, Death Shroud mechanics, and retaliation / fast burning down through targets.
If you are looking for a niched group where your collective goal is to have perma 25-might stacks with squishy zerkers, then yeah sure go with your warriors, though they’ll also be missing out on easy vulnerability stacking if they’re hoping to keep up their DPS, while also suffering from being locked in at close range.
You said the mass of the world used to think the world was flat — then shortly after, sourced me to the mass of the “PvE community”.
You state “facts”, yet haven’t taken the time to think through them yourself — you would fit in grandly in the olden flat-worled days.
If you’re going to pick an argument, take some time to think it through :/
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Its a factual statement. Necromancers are the worst profession in PvE, largely because we bring nothing no one else can’t do.
Conditions? All accessible by other professions, not to mention the fact that conditions are weak against bosses.
Best teamwide condition cleanses? I think you need to meet guardians.
Vulnerability? Something other professions do easily and through their auto attacks that nearly match our DPS.People don’t overlook us because we have some hidden potential, we are just bad at support. This translates to literally every game mode withthe only exception being Plague in zergs.
I disagree.
What you just said can be applied to any other class. The only things you can’t expect from necros are stealth, portaling, and reflection.
And while not only can we condition cleanse, but we can condition TRANSFER .
I like that necros have easy access to so many things without needing to specialize into one niche. Condition transfer, AoE buffs, controlling conditions, DPS, Zone control AoE — and all without specialization. Sure a guardian specced in purely healing can heal better, but that guardian has just lost out on everything else.
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Hello everyone,
I’m very annoyed at this game for reasons that the game has no control over. I have issues with sticking to one character. Now I’ve really taken a liking to my Charr Necromancer girl and I’d love for me to reach level 80 with her. Can you guys tell me why you personally like your Necromancer? I’d love to hear from other players what makes them fun to play.
I keep debating over choosing Necromancer, Elementalist, Engineer or Thief… sigh My partner in crime says I’m driving him mad with my constant character changing…
Hi Sumiko… I was in the exact same boat as you for over a year and only now settled into maining Necromancer.
I’ll go through the rundown for you
So the first thing I did was decide what my main game goals will be, and those are:
1. Become a WvW commander
2. Map completel 100%
3. Earn a champion PvP title
4. Craft a legendary
Next thing I did was I looked at the meta.
Warrior and Guardian are WAY overplayed, so being another sheep in the crowd didn’t sound like a tasty idea to me. I like both of those classes tremendously but when I play them they feel somewhat incomplete and I can’t help but feel completely useless and replaceable with so many other warriors and guardians running about.
The ranger — I made one to level 80, and never touched it again. Maybe I didn’t see the class in the right light but just playing it I find it EXTREMELY boring and I hate the fact that the ranger’s own damage is kitten in order to accommodate for really strong pet power — that makes the ranger pretty weak and useless when their pet is inaccessible. I don’t like feeling helpless in this way… If someone can re-open my eyes to the ranger I might reconsider but as of now I deleted my 80 ranger.
Thief I think is a really COOL class, but I think everything is just way too difficult on thief and many things are impossible — playing thief did not mesh with many of my primary goals, E.G. becoming a commander — thief commanders suck. Crafting a legendary — I don’t like the look of any thief legendary weapons. PvP — way too difficult for me to do well with thief in PvP. SO that crossed out thief for me. I like to be survivable.
Engineer is fantastic but I just can’t get into the class because I don’t like guns, bombs, flamethrowers and grenades, so that’s what crossed out engineer for me.
So what’s left? Ele, Mesmer, and Necro.
Elementalist I could not get into because the class feels way too dependent on others to do well. I don’t like that not only do they have the LOWEST health but also have the LOWEST armor — they are not very survivable at all.. and I don’t like feeling like a sitting duck. Also, when I played elementalist, I couldn’t help but feel pretty useless.
The big difference was between Necromancer and Mesmer.
Here’s why I went with Necromancer:
1. It matched really well with all of my goals:
– Very good for map clearing, very good for commanding, incredible at PvP, I like the look of some legendaries for the necromancer (shame they don’t have greatswords for necros).
2. The necromancer is incredibly survivable… I like that a lot.
3. The necromancer has more control than any other class — I am a control freak.
4. The necromancer just looks really cool — all of their skills and especially their death shroud and lich forms are really cool IMO.
5. I have a thing for vampires
While the mesmer has so many of its own benefits, the necromancer just fits my natural playstyle and niche far better. It’s all about cruel control — dominance — manipulation — it’s direct and straight-forward — it’s about overwhelming your opponents over time.
The necromancer does happen to suffer in the realm of dungeons — their damage is a little bit thin, but they’re not that far behind warriors and are similarly survivable.
Overall, if you want a really survivable dominant class, that has the ability to control the battlefield really well and make your enemies humiliatingly suffer, then necro is your choice
My favorite mechanic for the necromancer is hands down the fear. It is AMAZING — it completely disables your opponent and makes them run around like morons while you and your team is left to do whatever they want to the opponent.. and the fear can last a pretty freakin long time too !
Looks like a pretty good build to me
I would say work on timing your skills better and learning what classes do what. It sucks to put out the full necro condition stack just to have it cleansed off a second later
Necros badly need a weapon with cleave. I think that a one-handed sword would be perfect for this — also thematically fits the necromancer theme I think.
But more awesomely, I think weapons like Scythes, Flails, or Chains can be even cooler cleave melee options for necros