I did this in gw1 for a little competition but this may be good in addition so some ideas posted above.
Have 5 builds for each profession. (40 builds in all)
Match day 1hr-20mins before start randomly select the 5*or 4* professions for the group.
Match day 50mins-10mins before start randomly select builds they will use. armour can stay as is because too much to buy Though maybe can standardize by all wear white/blue armour may be too much for that scale (didnt have problem in gw1) *
They can reroll builds *as a group once. The punishment being ofc the time spend coordinating and seeing what each has.
Oh should add. That 3:50 positioning very close to what I was thinking. The fifth did stack slightly but that was because he was moving so all was good.
They were also a bit close to the boss. Im thinking all at max melee range from the boss.
If you have no incentive to actually move, why should we have to move?
Thanks, I do stack because I agree with the currently lame AI we have its the most effective. I wish for a game where standing still means dead and mobs have more AI than a potato.
What I mean is this:
Say a boss attacks every three seconds with a cleaving attack. Why should the two players behind it have to be moving around for absolutely no reason, and why should the three players in front have to move around in between these attacks when they would just need to move when they actually swing?
I’m taking on reasonable suggestions here, and most of them are reasonable, but things like “you should always be moving” just smells of tacking on extra challenge for no reason, because if you remember, the party for this dungeon will need to be out of close melee radius so if everyone is moving that basically means unless doing in sync we would all literally have to range bosses.
well… if there is a player at the front, the ones at the back are not really stacking, are they?
If 5 melee players are surrounding a boss, they are not strictly stacking. They don’t have much options left… the problem is when you start seeing scepter, staff, bows, stacked? (yeah some pugs still use those weapons, good elems for might <3).
Like I said, there are situations or party compositions where stacking is useful, but for example… why is it needed to stack for kholer? because you can, and its faster. That’s it. That’s the only reason… it is a hell of a fun fight, unrewarded, i agree, but still fun. I hate it when players stack for this kind of fights… I don’t complain though (and actually last couple of times I run there first and ask the rest to stack) but I wish so badly for a Kholer that would render players to cream if they stack at his twirl attack.
I blame stacking for some players ever learning to play and for example, never wanting to face Cave Troll. All tears about the new Troll in HoTW are because nobody ever wanted to learn that fight before. People look for the easiest, laziest way of doing it! If ANET out Wallmart carts on the gem shop they would be rich!
So as to not persistently derail his thread I hope you continue here.
WHAAATTTTT??? First time couple I stacked kholer he kitten d me and entire team.
Then someone said magic words. “you still have to stability/block/reflect condi clean his attack”
Its as if you guys think standing together somehow magically makes things drop over dead without anything else re…
Just thought something up. melee NPC mobs stack. Heck even come ranged ones.
We are as smart as a gw2 creature. Great…
Thats strange I woulkd have thought that humans/animals/insects in real life were the first to do stacking but yea sure. GW2 mobs started stacking.
Don’t think that’s a good example in the slightest.
Most pack hunters in the real world use formations and flanking actively. Wolves and Lioness don’t just bumrush, they encircle their targets and strike at flanks. For that matter their Prey is usually more apt to run then fight. As for human combat, ever since Gunpowder, stacking has become almost completely obsolete. Explosive munitions have made it dangerous to stack together and for that matter, out ranged weapons far outclass our melee weapons.
GW2 mobs have the tactical capacity of an enraged drunk.
Look at bold
Yes and no.
How do ants/bees do combat? A pack of wolves will also stack to protect poi’s.
Bulls, horses,zerbra’s unless solo stack like mofo’s.
Modern combat? You would think that humvee full of 7 guys isnt a stack. Or tank full of 3 guys or 4 tanks together in a tight formation. Or a wing of jets in a formation isnt a stack or an armoured convoy isnt a stack
or my 11c brother handling the bipod whilst I am looking throughthe sight and my other brother dropping rounds into the tube isnt a stack also?
Or my airborne brethren packed like sardines in a c130/c17/chinook isnt a stack.
Another thing. Cant stack revive only 1 person can revive a downed player not a fully dead doesnt matter at that point . Though Im not sure if that is a pro or con.
Would the stacking of boons/conditions be part of your challenge? or too much
Im thinking “attached” would be the safest and easiest bet. Though if a wall is encountered p1-p4 may have to switch to ranged so they wouldn’t stack.
And yes intentionally forming a stack of mobs is a no go. Though some mobs just stack relentlessly so there is most likely not much you can do to prevent them from stacking after initiating aggro.
Being in melee/bomb(engi) range of party member and lower.
Also stacking mobs. Mobs must be fought with some separation between them else you stacked them. Mobs that are stacked should be separated via stomp or skills of the same ilk.
I can almost guarantee that if they make new dungeons it wont be “us” who complains about it. also more paint scratch that minecraft.. laters!
@ maha
dont want to ruin your other thread so ill post this here
Stacking- By having friends you are stacking friends
Stacking- Chances are you will communicate. Stacking communication
Stacking- Ill be those friends are experienced too. Stacking exp people in same group.
Stacking- All will probably be lvl 80 too. Stacking lvl 80’s
Stacking- Probably above 1k ap. Stacking High APers.
Stacking- In range to share a boon? Stacking.
Stacking- Can mob hit more than one of you with one attack? Stacking
Screw minecraft this is more fun.
Are you asking me how to fit more than one melee player on a boss without them overlapping? Incidentally overlapping is not stacking. Stacking is when everyone in the party intentionally stands on the same space for the duration of the fight.
:( My mightstacking ele are sad. We intentionally run up with big boys so I can share my boons. Unintentionally? Seriously?
Arent the people who UNINTENTIONALLY stack utter newbies to the game?
I know when I play a warrior I dont run next to my buddy who is also a warrior because “kitten kitten ” I run next to him go get his delicious might stacks all over my glistening body. I run next to him to make sure I “shake it off” all over him.
What im reading is you dont want team play. atleast that is what im getting.
also 11c here. Its called stack on the door/ stack on me.
/me thanks the charming, beautiful, and wise Asuran.
Got me thinking though… how can melee not stack
Well
1. has to be in large open space.
2. 5th person has to range
3. If a wall is encountered 2-3 must go ranged to not stack
4.Depending on definition of “stack” even less may be allowed to melee.
Try to remember you arent the only person playing the game. Rewards make or break lots of games.
Remove the gold from dungeons and see how many people would still run them.
Queensdale train got its champs nerfed(loot nerf) how many people still run that?
Its been a while but for some reason I recall when running mesway they usually all died in a nice little bunch. Infact I think unless fire/earth ele you were usually fine at bunching them up and the few that did flee didnt flee far or long enough to not stop taking damage. “been a while”
But the dude said less damage doesn’t apply for people wearing tanky gear since there are 1hko mechanics against even tanky people like full PTV + traits. Which honestly is untrue.
Oh yea agreed I dont recall being ohk’d by anything back when I thought AH guard was baller for dungeons.
It just kittenes me off the people who are dependent on sr for running. I can understand necros but just about everything else should lol at small runs.
scratch that
What gets me are thieves that join and suddenly demand SR compliance of a group that they presume know what they are doing.
Nice casual demi RP tour ruined. t-15 mins later doesnt appear to have sped anything up as they are still inside
I feel like CM is a dungeon that desperately needs a thief to be run. With a thief, it’s a walk in the park, without it, it’s a nightmare; people will have no idea what to do and will get ganked by the huge amounts of trash patrols at every corner – after Arah, this dungeon has by far the most overpowered and ridiculous trash mechanics.
AoE 12 stacks of bleed, 20s+ poison from a single skill of a single mob
ranged knockdowns/blinds
blockspam
AoE bombs that can 1shot or CC
patrols that intentionally pull more patrols
Because it’s one of the few dungeons where you really, really need a specific profession (and an experienced player rolling it) to have smooth runs, pugs don’t do it as often, leading to even more inexperienced players. Hell, I haven’t got around to playing it for well over a year too – never felt like I was really missing out on the gold or tokens, it doesn’t offer anything special (boring skins, boring rune, no zerker stat gear).
Gold rewards are also pretty bad.
As a mesmer i love CM its made for me. Probably guardians too. kitten its face with ele too but need additional condi clean. Shake it off is enough.
Other than that its knowing where and when to move.
Its quite frustrating and fun to pug it.
My main problem are other mesmers/guardians that feedback/wor the melee mobs and thus on cooldown when needed. That and guardian/thieves that dont haha blinded you!
Godkitten kicked in CMp1 just because I aggroed a part where this group wanted to skip (the part with 3-4 elites before the Rifleman/Bombers in front of Bloody Alice). Then proceeded to call me “newbie”, “go play second life”, “12k ap dont know kitten” (I only have 7k ap). Pseudo-elitism makes me kitten.
More so because I don’t even remember the last time I got kicked for something so trivial. Think I’ll auto leave if I see a guild run in CM now.
I always run cm with “minimal skips” in the line and cringe whenever I see a thief. Yea you can skip it all/ you are useful but I dont want to. 7 extra seconds isnt going to kill meh
Take away LH IB FGS. I want to see what the new ele meta would be. Staff’ll prolly stay the same.
Also as an utter pug noob. War feels easier. I can f..screw up a lot more.
Take note ^^
My fingers also feel like they dont have to do as much. No more staring in the sky and twirling whislt stepping backwards
“That isn’t practical at all due to challenges such as Hodgins and the Graveling mounds
These sorts of dungeon puzzles require DPS “require it” to complete”
No im not talking about simply blasting a fire field im going on what you said. the fgs/ib dps ability is out of whack with the rest of dps abilities in game.
So is LH’s blast/blind/dps in one skill ability. The only thing I can think of that comes close is the sb 2? for the thief.
actually this is a lost arguement for me that I shall bow out of
Ah forgive me if I thought perma staff 2 wasnt that far off from cheese land. Forgive my ignorance but I thought phalanx had pretty much replaced ele in might stacking land bar prestacking.
it’s a boring ele-stacking meta which is no better than the old warrior stacking meta. get rid of conjures and you’ll actually have a reason to take other classes than “however many eles we can pile on while still keeping the run smooth”.
Ele’s don’t need FGS to excel in dungeons. They still have top of the line DPS and group utility without it.
What’s next? Nerf blinds and kick out Guards?
No it would be
1. Remove wall of reflection
2. Nerf aegis
But then as I said I am ignorant to what would happen merely my thoughts.
Oddly enough I have yet to be gear checked in a party that didnt have the words " Ping Gear" in them. I have yet to question anyone about their gear in any of my groups other than when I put “zerk/sin gear only” in my lfg. The VAST MAJORITY of every group I run people dont even talk in them where are these masses of Evil Zerkers joining groups and kicking everyone for not pinging zerker gear? I can drop hundreds of screenshots showing “bearbows” but not a single one showing someone raging because someone is not zerker. And I screenshot everything.
