Guild Wars 2

I had this exact thing happen to me 2nights ago. I think the patch did something to his AI.

I finally got my first berserker armor this weekend!

Speed is not the only way of playing this game. Remember pugs are always worse than organized groups, if some one is not comfortable running Berserker’s and always dies, there are crutch, safety blanket builds that are NOT OPTIMAL but can help them do speedy runs(as shown in the tournament). And they can work themselves up to more optimal builds. Of course this was talked about in a DnT thread and I know how you guys feel about suboptimal builds but my opinion is you let people decide what build works for them and let them slowly transition into more glass cannon builds. And keep in mind to a certain extend everyone has a little PHIW in them, and that level of PHIW varies from person to person. If one truly cares about speed and optimal play, they would be running 3-4eles for dungeon tours, swapping comps to fit the dungeon better, having stacks of dungeon specific sigils and using these sigils like pots.

J Eberle.9312:

EcoRI.9273:

Swift I guess this is where our opinion differs on the state of PUGGing. Some pugs just want to do things safe and fast, some just don’t care about not so safe but faster.

You can do a safe and fast run without AH.
And
You can do a not so safe fast run without AH.

Yes I agree with both statements.

Tree.3916:

EcoRI.9273:

J Eberle.9312:

EcoRI.9273:

J Eberle.9312:

EcoRI.9273:

Jerus.4350:

J Eberle.9312:

‘Played amazingly.’ Yes, well it’s not hard to look ‘amazing’ when playing a facedesk build.

EcoRI.9273:

Edit: They placed 2nd, could’ve won if they didn’t get 5mins of DC.

OR if he didn’t feel the need to use AH ‘most of the time.’

What does this say for those that they beat?

They were competing against people like [rT] and [iV] who were running berserker’s. But anyways good players can run bad builds.

And it doesn’t have any relevance to pugging. This was a tourny environment that depends on many different factors including the risks and tactics employed by other people to be successful. If another team gets wrecked because they took huge risks, then of course all your team needs to do is not die and get through it at a stable pace. Props to them for playing it safe because it worked out for them, it’s a really good tactic for that environment.

When I am pugging, I will absolutely kick someone in PVT and AH 10 times out of 10. They’re nothing but a burden to a well composed full meta team doing a dungeon tour with tactics that are low risk and proven time and time again to work. You should know just how much of a spanner in the works one bad build can be when the rest of your team is geared towards getting things killed fast. It’s noticeable, and then when it’s say 3 people with bad builds, or 4, you really start feeling it, and the wipes start happening. Doesn’t matter how ‘good’ they are, it does not change their kitten dps.

‘good players’ can run bad builds, or good players can run good builds and be better.

Talking about Fractals here. The Fractal tourney showed that you can AH PTV you can get things done safe and fast. But Yes I agree in dungeons its best to run all berserkers because most of the time things melt so fast you don’t even need to dodge. Also you should probably put ‘bad’ in quotes too because although AH is not ‘meta’ at the moment, RTG must has talked about their builds prior to the tournament. The AH guardian allowed every1 else in the team to play more aggressive and stay melee for longer, a form of dps meter that can not be calculated with paper dps.

The two comments before yours were referring to pugging but I suppose it’s not out of the ordinary for some people to post their random opinions out of the blue.
Either way, just so you know because I’m not sure if you play guardian.. but you can actually be a ‘pillar’ without AH and still do more for your team. So it’s still a bad build and it’s not up for debate.

People pug fractal, why can’t they take builds used in a fractal tournament that showed it was safe and fast?

You only need enough toughness to hold Mossman/Archdiviner/Ettin aggro. Any toughness more than you need to keep their aggro is a waste. You don’t need the Toughness to survive when holding their aggro assuming you know how to rotate Aegis/focus 5/dodges. You don’t need the healing from AH to survive while holding aggro for the same reason. So long as your party keeps the bosses crippled and/or chilled you won’t be hit much at all. So what is AH for? It’s a safety blanket for someone who doesn’t know their class well enough.

Yes I agree its not the most optimal build, but it is a very safe build and it is fast enough. AH guardian is low risk medium reward. Here was my interpretation of their use of AH guardian, they mainly used it on bosses that hit hard and are difficult to dodge. They used 2guardian aegis chains and hammer symbols to heal and protection. What that created is a Bunker Guardian that did not need to dodge much or back pedal hence the boss will stay “rooted” allowing for warriors do perform optimal GS rotations, pretty smart if you ask me.

J Eberle.9312:

I’m actually not even going to answer that. I just… wow. You of all people.

Swift I guess this is where our opinion differs on the state of PUGGing. Some pugs just want to do things safe and fast, some just don’t care about not so safe but faster.

J Eberle.9312:

EcoRI.9273:

J Eberle.9312:

EcoRI.9273:

Jerus.4350:

J Eberle.9312:

‘Played amazingly.’ Yes, well it’s not hard to look ‘amazing’ when playing a facedesk build.

EcoRI.9273:

Edit: They placed 2nd, could’ve won if they didn’t get 5mins of DC.

OR if he didn’t feel the need to use AH ‘most of the time.’

What does this say for those that they beat?

They were competing against people like [rT] and [iV] who were running berserker’s. But anyways good players can run bad builds.

And it doesn’t have any relevance to pugging. This was a tourny environment that depends on many different factors including the risks and tactics employed by other people to be successful. If another team gets wrecked because they took huge risks, then of course all your team needs to do is not die and get through it at a stable pace. Props to them for playing it safe because it worked out for them, it’s a really good tactic for that environment.

When I am pugging, I will absolutely kick someone in PVT and AH 10 times out of 10. They’re nothing but a burden to a well composed full meta team doing a dungeon tour with tactics that are low risk and proven time and time again to work. You should know just how much of a spanner in the works one bad build can be when the rest of your team is geared towards getting things killed fast. It’s noticeable, and then when it’s say 3 people with bad builds, or 4, you really start feeling it, and the wipes start happening. Doesn’t matter how ‘good’ they are, it does not change their kitten dps.

‘good players’ can run bad builds, or good players can run good builds and be better.

Talking about Fractals here. The Fractal tourney showed that you can AH PTV you can get things done safe and fast. But Yes I agree in dungeons its best to run all berserkers because most of the time things melt so fast you don’t even need to dodge. Also you should probably put ‘bad’ in quotes too because although AH is not ‘meta’ at the moment, RTG must has talked about their builds prior to the tournament. The AH guardian allowed every1 else in the team to play more aggressive and stay melee for longer, a form of dps meter that can not be calculated with paper dps.

The two comments before yours were referring to pugging but I suppose it’s not out of the ordinary for some people to post their random opinions out of the blue.
Either way, just so you know because I’m not sure if you play guardian.. but you can actually be a ‘pillar’ without AH and still do more for your team. So it’s still a bad build and it’s not up for debate.

People pug fractal, why can’t they take builds used in a fractal tournament that showed it was safe and fast?

J Eberle.9312:

EcoRI.9273:

Jerus.4350:

J Eberle.9312:

‘Played amazingly.’ Yes, well it’s not hard to look ‘amazing’ when playing a facedesk build.

EcoRI.9273:

Edit: They placed 2nd, could’ve won if they didn’t get 5mins of DC.

OR if he didn’t feel the need to use AH ‘most of the time.’

What does this say for those that they beat?

They were competing against people like [rT] and [iV] who were running berserker’s. But anyways good players can run bad builds.

And it doesn’t have any relevance to pugging. This was a tourny environment that depends on many different factors including the risks and tactics employed by other people to be successful. If another team gets wrecked because they took huge risks, then of course all your team needs to do is not die and get through it at a stable pace. Props to them for playing it safe because it worked out for them, it’s a really good tactic for that environment.

When I am pugging, I will absolutely kick someone in PVT and AH 10 times out of 10. They’re nothing but a burden to a well composed full meta team doing a dungeon tour with tactics that are low risk and proven time and time again to work. You should know just how much of a spanner in the works one bad build can be when the rest of your team is geared towards getting things killed fast. It’s noticeable, and then when it’s say 3 people with bad builds, or 4, you really start feeling it, and the wipes start happening. Doesn’t matter how ‘good’ they are, it does not change their kitten dps.

‘good players’ can run bad builds, or good players can run good builds and be better.

Talking about Fractals here. The Fractal tourney showed that you can AH PTV you can get things done safe and fast. But Yes I agree in dungeons its best to run all berserkers because most of the time things melt so fast you don’t even need to dodge. Also you should probably put ‘bad’ in quotes too because although AH is not ‘meta’ at the moment, RTG must has talked about their builds prior to the tournament. The AH guardian allowed every1 else in the team to play more aggressive and stay melee for longer, a form of dps meter that can not be calculated with paper dps.

Jerus.4350:

J Eberle.9312:

‘Played amazingly.’ Yes, well it’s not hard to look ‘amazing’ when playing a facedesk build.

EcoRI.9273:

Edit: They placed 2nd, could’ve won if they didn’t get 5mins of DC.

OR if he didn’t feel the need to use AH ‘most of the time.’

What does this say for those that they beat?

They were competing against people like [rT] and [iV] who were running berserker’s. But anyways good players can run bad builds.

RTG Guardian in KING tourney was running PTV and AH build most of the time which are both said to be suboptimal(Build and gear wise). The Guardian in my opinion played amazingly.

Edit: They placed 2nd, could’ve won if they didn’t get 5mins of DC.

wow this is coming from EUs?! isnt it like 3PM noon there?! what?! but kitten i feel bad for us NA ppl, some have to wake up at 6:30am

Did a 49 with 2 necros, went surprisingly smooth

from wiki

In 1326 AE, Captain Kiel entered the Fractals of the Mists in order to commandeer the equipment therein, to aid in the investigation of Scarlet Briar’s connection to the Thaumanova Reactor disaster. Dessa was able to stabilize an instance of the disaster, but when the events there raised more questions than answers, Kiel attempted to place her under arrest. When Dessa entered the asura gate back to Lion’s Arch, she immediately reappeared in the Mistlock Observatory with no memory of the previous events, revealing that the observatory is subject to the same rules as all the other fractals, and that Dessa is just as locked in the same loop as all the other creatures in the fractals.

those new flying plant creatures in dry top with the spin to win.
mark k golems in coe with the laser of death

What if dungeons are actually in another section of Fractals and thats why it explains the repetitive nature of them and thus solving every story/time loophole?!

I’m “dat guy” that sells for 3gold, literally takes like 10-20minutes to fill up my party for free gold and tokens -_-. PS I don’t scam, I always tell people that I’m streaming my run just to assure them I am legit.

Anyways to answer on whos buying? I think its mainly people who want the Arah armor skin.

TKiller.6829:

Yeah, okay, we all learned from this thread that 10% damage is a minor thing.

God bless the playerbase.

Well let’s take this 10% dmg potion into context of groups in gw2.
Im going to ASSUME that most of the people that don’t run potions are usually PHIWs and are in a non elite guild.
-First they are already running suboptimal builds which has a more profound dps loss.
-Second they might not be wearing berserker gear, even more dps loss.
-Third this is most important, they probably don’t stack might/vuln.
-Fourth believe or not but dungeons are mainly running from one place to another, most don’t use swiftness, big time waster.
Now if you factor in this, they have already lost so much time, so another drop in the bucket is nothing?

Thanks guys, looks like all the kinks are worked out and the observations made are all correct.

warrior/thief/guard NA server here, can play most of weekends, would love to get into a aetherblade path group as well.

Charak.9761:

why would anyone kick a thief .-. rangers I get though

Back in the ye old days, I hated thieves more than necros when I pugged. Pug thieves always ran the follow 3 builds: condition d/d, duo pistol or shortbow camping. It was so bad that I had to research the class because I thought to myself there is no way a class is that terrible, so I researched it, actually found out they were pretty OP, started to play it more and eventually thief became my main. But anyways I am sure most pug thieves today still fall under that catagory.

I really hope that the difficulty of the fractal is taken into consideration because Volcanic Fractal is surprisingly short but its probably one of the most difficult ones. Looking at the comps for most of the other teams, they have a really high chance of wiping there. If Volcanic is worth only based on time as suggested in the rules, people will just reroll and then super dps comp would be the way to go.

Sekai.2987:

Purple Miku.7032:

People that use either magic find food or none at all I generally diagnose as a noob. I too notice the lack of potion use, but lack of food use too. I don’t care if not everyone has the money for truffle steaks. You can at least buy the low tier food or something like mango pies.

about a year ago i helped a friend in arah, i still had +30% MF food from farming loadstones and then it happend…a trash mob dropped the legend, since that day, i always run around with +30MF food, even in WvW (commanders are not happy) but at least i also always use the other buffood, the wrench(how the kitten you call them?) for more dmg on specific mobs
but tbh i alsways forgett it for cof or se because a run is over so fast that i just forget about using them even though they are in my inventar

Oh man back in the CoF days, it took me a while to use the omnom bars. I knew I would make up the money in 1 run using it but I was like, “nahhhh.” I started using it when I got a more consistent group.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I understand you’re not happy with the responses but let’s try and be a little more civil and logical here.

You say, “We are both in very good speed clearing guilds but we cannot get a group for speed running reliably.” I think what Tree is trying to point out is that this statement appears to be an oxymoron.

Is it just that you play at a different time than your guild? Is it that your guilds have groups that are already pretty much set so joining them is not an option? Or do you not trust the members of your guild to perform at a level you would like them to?

I think this is what is confusing about this thread. But also the animosity. They tried to help with the guilds thing. If that’s not an option it’s okay.

Anyway good luck in your search.

I was in this 500 man guild in Sorrow’s Furnace called Seraphs of Fortuna[SoF] I was in it for like over 5months. Rarely played with them, never considered joining another guild. My friends and I would just pug most of the time since every time we asked in guild chat people wouldn’t join. Anyways I left when a HUGE drama hit the guild and all the active members left the guild. o_0 I guess I just don’t understand guilds but I can relate with what the OP is trying to do. Here’s an oxymoron that I can’t explain but its what I do, I enjoy speed running but I usually play with PHYWs. Or I have 8 Legendaries, 3sets of ascended armor kitten ton of ascended weapons but I’m too cheap to buy 10% pots.

Okay I just want to say I tried solo stealthing her 2days ago and she got randomly revealed on the last trap spot. So there must be something im missing.

The return of Dhuum. <3 UWSC.

Though I can’t help you on this stuff because I’m cheap and lazy, I just want to thank you for doing this for the community <3.

The problem that I’m getting from the O.P. is that AC which is meant for 35s is being done by 80s and most groups don’t want to pick up 35s because it significantly slow down the party. I think the way to do it is to encourage people to pick up lower level players in their groups. One way of doing it maybe is to give some silver from champ drops(like the old CoF days) depending on the avg level of players in the group when the champ is killed. And maybe only limit this to AC/CM/TA since they are “starter” dungeons. Or just upscale all sub 80 character’s gears to exotic quality.

Tree.3916:

I see at least 4 dungeon-centric speed run guilds recruiting on the first page of the guild recruitment subforum. If I went back a few more pages I’m sure I could find more. Rather than using trashcan forum to recruit for your “afraid of arah” group, why not join an existing guild that fulfills your needs and might be able to teach you arah?

Dankies, have you ever watched Sword Art Online? Main character is guildless, tis the way of role playing xD. Anyways there are many reasons why people don’t join certain guilds. Some people form their own little guild with their friends being only 4 in size, can’t reason with personal preference.

maha.7902:

Ken.3128:

We also do Arah, but the main point of this post is too find some reliable people for dungeon running. Leaving Arah in the post may put some people off as they may lack experience or what not.

The only people you would be scaring off are people who are:

1. inexperienced with their class
2. do not have knowledge of every dungeon

I.E. people you never wanted anyway.

My bro actually can run every dungeon except Arah very efficiently. He just doesn’t like Arah because he can’t be bothered to learn Lupi.

Currently have scheduling problems, assume all spots are up for grabs.

Thats pretty cool, so that means
Net Turret + Grawl shaman = no more arrow to da face/knee?
Probably works for Mai Trin, svanir,mossman, etc.

I agree with mistlocks working like Gambits as Lord Kuru.3685 pointed out. How cool will it be to stack a bunch of these to get “better” rewards?!

The most annoying thing about pots is that they take up too much inventory space. Most people have really small inventory space so whatever time they save with dmg booster is negated by selling/salvaging or inventory management.

But we need the money sink :-(

I have never played with a good Engie for FOTM, but I think Engies could be the hidden OP of FOTM. So fellow Engies please share your knowledge.

Engie Net Turret could be super OP against Archdiviner. His deadliest attacks requires him to face his targets. With Immobilize from the turret and maybe some from Thief, Guardian,warrior it might create enough perma Immobilize where he can’t turn so basically everyone can stand behind him and just free DPS him down.

well its more likely that the person was already targeted b4 he went into stealth and was near the hidden spot. The radius of a 5x cannon barrage targeted on a person is big enough that some randomly went to the hidden spot.

J Eberle.9312:

It’s really coming down to a few things here folks
- Laziness
- Stubbornness
-Playing how you want even if it’s to the detriment of the 4 other players on your team.

Ok not gonna lie I fall under this catagory but heres another thing that I like to add, I play with PHYW people that don’t use food so I don’t feel as bad when I’m rocking super kittenty food no dungeon pots.

The individual fire lines can be created by difference in distance from each other. So if you rush in the open, it will still create the same trail, but if you rush against the wall, since you are not moving no new fire lines can be create thus nerfing fgs rush.

If some one doesn’t have a forum account, feel free to shoot me a mail in game.

Wait the new LS stuff is a dungeon?!

Jerus.4350:

Male char = winner.

Mane and DBZ hair

reminds me of full metal alchemist. Nina-Alexander RP incoming.

wait on dulfy :-)

Can any1 confirm this?

Wow http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Watchwork_Portal_Device is over 10g to make and I blew my last 20 on stupid things -_-

I kinda wish that mesmer portal(I guess watchwork portal stone also works) trick gets banned because it will be boring to watch for the audience.(Most tournaments do special case bans on maps/characters/cards because of imbalance or unfun nature) Hope [KING] address this issue soon.

We might have to slot in a mesmer for the tourney dusk!

Well according to the rules, it seems like the portal trick to bug out mai trin cannons is allowed :-\ I could be wrong.

It’s because I’m cheap, most of the food that I use are gifted to me <3.

I learned it by watching a youtube video of arah p2 solo and went on to do it myself on warrior. I only pugged like 10arahs where I got totally carried and where we ranged lupi. I had to learn the attack animations for Lupi which was not fun. it was a lot of trial and error because videoes don’t explain why they do certain things. Anyways it was fraustrating and super hard at first but after u get it down arah is surprisingly easy.

Kinda wish they give us the break down of points so that way it gives people more time to practice the underwater fractal if rerolling swamp is not worth it. Btw for water, if one gets Dolphin side, it is worth more points than the darkness side?

anyways App for tourney:

No Stacking No Skipping No [FGS]
(Roster is still subject to change)
1: EcoRI.9273 Thief
2: Rising Dusk.2408 Warrior
3: Fury.2768 Guardian
4: Nyspar.6103 Warrior
5: Hans Moleman.1750 Elementalist

Rising Dusk.2408:

Want to try to get the rest of [FGS] involved, Eco? I’d be happy to join up, although I’d have to bring my Warrior since he’s the only one with 85AR.

Sure, I think most of the other guys are not interested or are busy.