Guild Wars 2

Painbow.6059:

EcoRI.9273:

Painbow.6059:

EcoRI.9273:

engie, don’t care they sux.

sometimes the truth hurts :-D.

no

ok fine sometimes my opinions offend people :-D

Painbow.6059:

EcoRI.9273:

engie, don’t care they sux.

sometimes the truth hurts :-D.

maha.7902:

EcoRI.9273:

So I have been doing fotm lately with LOD and I have to say, the berserker team comp meta is seriously trivializing the content. Mossman gets nuked past 50% with 1 icebow freeze combo. Archdiviner’s daze with meteor shower precast followed by icebow freeze combo trivialized him. Svanir in snowblind gets nuked and literally die before teleporting up. Imbued grawl shaman icebow freeze after his bubble pops is a little too OP. Mai trin stealth icebow nuke is OP if the warrior or guard can face tank mai.

pretty sure you mean “playing with decent players is trivialising content”.

your random pug in full berserker probably isn’t melting bosses at fractal 50.

Yes, and I would prefer content to be challenging even with decent players which I feel can be accomplished by nerfing icebow and maybe a little on meteor shower.

can some 1 enlighten me on what was done differently to get a 1.5min shorter time over the previous?

So we had most useless, most used. Now let’s talk most overpowered.

Ele: Icebow
Warrior: Disc banner
Guardian: WoR
Mesmer: Timewarp
Thief: Black powder

Ranger,engie,necro: don’t care they sux.

Well I’ve been singing the same tune in the forums for over a month; Nerf icebow plz. :-D And honestly i feel ice bow is the true carry, not a guardian. Look at the trio tourney there were more eles than guardians.

Jerus.4350:

EcoRI.9273:

So I have been doing fotm lately with LOD and I have to say, the berserker team comp meta is seriously trivializing the content. Mossman gets nuked past 50% with 1 icebow freeze combo. Archdiviner’s daze with meteor shower precast followed by icebow freeze combo trivialized him. Svanir in snowblind gets nuked and literally die before teleporting up. Imbued grawl shaman icebow freeze after his bubble pops is a little too OP. Mai trin stealth icebow nuke is OP if the warrior or guard can face tank mai.

Yes, but, just putting on zerk gear doesn’t get this to happen. Bringing the correct team comp and doing everything right does. As you mention, precasting meteor before hitting the seal. And Facetanking Mai/Archie/Mossman aren’t necessarily the easiest things to do.

So yes, it’s a little silly how fast you can burn some of these guys, but it does hinge on doing everything right and not bringing any safety nets for when you make mistakes. I don’t really see it as a problem because of that fact, that you slip up and you’re going down.

It brings back the notion of kill before you get killed. This strategy is so strong that if you know how to execute it, it just makes playing berserker builds so much safer simply because you dodge less due to the fact that the boss is disabled for 50+% of it HP. I am willing to wager that for teams that know these strategies and they do fotm without icebow, they will wipe/die/down a lot more.

Lyphos.1096:

EcoRI.9273:

So I have been doing fotm lately with LOD and I have to say, the berserker team comp meta is seriously trivializing the content. Mossman gets nuked past 50% with 1 icebow freeze combo. Archdiviner’s daze with meteor shower precast followed by icebow freeze combo trivialized him. Svanir in snowblind gets nuked and literally die before teleporting up. Imbued grawl shaman icebow freeze after his bubble pops is a little too OP. Mai trin stealth icebow nuke is OP if the warrior or guard can face tank mai.

How many times was linecasting involved here? I’m still not sure whether that is an exploit or an innovative use of game mechanics..

none, usually the reason way some organized groups can’t nuke bosses is because they fail to get 25vuln/might. Or eles are not traited correctly also guardian tome of wrath helps and most guardians don’t use that.

So I have been doing fotm lately with LOD and I have to say, the berserker team comp meta is seriously trivializing the content. Mossman gets nuked past 50% with 1 icebow freeze combo. Archdiviner’s daze with meteor shower precast followed by icebow freeze combo trivialized him. Svanir in snowblind gets nuked and literally die before teleporting up. Imbued grawl shaman icebow freeze after his bubble pops is a little too OP. Mai trin stealth icebow nuke is OP if the warrior or guard can face tank mai.

Care to elaborate on this OP?

Necro gets “Reckless Haste” well. Your enemies gain 25 stacks of confusion, blind and whenever you attack, you trigger their confusion proc. All units gain haste. GG! necros meta.

ranger bear f2 “shake it off”(is it f2?), let’s be real bearbows don’t know it exist.

ShadowRX.9024:

EcoRI.9273:

http://www.twitch.tv/eco_r_i/c/6652057

Is my casual hotw p1 a world record?
Technically the SC one used FGS.

Valid record yes. SC Fgs record is All time.

Some one should try to beat the all time, I mean given that our run was kinda sloppy and we AFK 20 seconds in the beginning, kitten food, kitten sigils and just sloppy execution, I am sure its possible to beat 4mins 8secs.

http://www.twitch.tv/eco_r_i/c/6652057

Is my casual hotw p1 a world record?
Technically the SC one used FGS.

If you look at Dredge fractal, and the Caithe Living Story mission, you can see how the designers are trying to make stealthing more engaging by playing around with the idea of units that can detect stealth or vision cones.

Most people are game designers. Just like how you don’t need to be a professional chef to cook, you don’t need to be a professional game designer to design games. I am sure many of us in the past has created weird field games with our friends as children and guess what that is? It’s game designing! I honestly don’t see how you, Mad Queen, are addressing the problem. All I read is you stating a problem, you wanting a solution to your desired goal and you talking about how you are a game designer. I do not see any actual concrete solutions, instead we get generic one worded answers that does not amount to anything and not only that you fail to address the potential problems that arise from your one worded answers and not only that your one worded solutions only caters to how you want the game to be played which is clear all mobs. So your one worded answer just happened to alienate a good percentage of the players that play dungeons. As a game designer you have to accept that some people ACTUALLY love to skip and find it fun and some love to clear everything.

Jerus.4350:

EcoRI.9273:

Thaddeus.4891:

EcoRI.9273:

Thaddeus.4891:

EcoRI.9273:

Give every boss meteor shower and nerf icebow problem solved.

You mean like General Molradovich in SE path 3? Yup nobody melee him

ok fine give every boss zerker armor and meteor shower and nerf icebow.

They will already nerf icebow. For the other thing, Hammer Guardian new meta

ok fine remove every single wall in future dungeons and just have a giant open field, LOS stacking solved.

Immersion restored to dungeons!

Well obviously ! How can walls be real if our eyes aren’t real? Food for thought.

Thaddeus.4891:

EcoRI.9273:

Thaddeus.4891:

EcoRI.9273:

Give every boss meteor shower and nerf icebow problem solved.

You mean like General Molradovich in SE path 3? Yup nobody melee him

ok fine give every boss zerker armor and meteor shower and nerf icebow.

They will already nerf icebow. For the other thing, Hammer Guardian new meta

ok fine remove every single wall in future dungeons and just have a giant open field, LOS stacking solved.

Thaddeus.4891:

EcoRI.9273:

Give every boss meteor shower and nerf icebow problem solved.

You mean like General Molradovich in SE path 3? Yup nobody melee him

ok fine give every boss zerker armor and meteor shower and nerf icebow.

Give every boss meteor shower and nerf icebow problem solved.

Thank you, yea there is supposed to be a very popular stream site in China that is bigger than Twitch.

I’m not so sure about that dusk, I know 90% of the time when I get volcanic fractal people in my party dread about the imbued grawl shaman. If people don’t icebow 5, you can’t really stack or LOS that boss and alot of people from my experiences actually hate that.

spoj.9672:

staffbow meta incoming

oh god staff guard and bearbow ranger just swapped places o_0

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Derenek.8931:

So far in every dungeon I’ve run the strategy is the same. Everyone follows the one guy who knows the map, we find a little corner then stand on top if each other and spam all our skills while standing there.

It turns dungeons into a mindless and pointless affair. Most of the dungeon’s contents are never seen or experienced by players and player skill is not rewarded as there is no skill involved in standing still on top of everyone else and just pressing the 1-9 keys.

You are 100% right. There is no skill involved when you are being carried through everything.

Conjure Frost Bow is the number one carry we need, but not the one we deserve.

Well I do agree that dungeons at the moment are some what mindless mainly due to the insane burst damage meta.

I have
1male human thief
1female human thief
1male sylvari thief
1male asura thief

why? because thieves are just so cool.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Nonsense. In GW1 you can shatter any enchantment. This is exactly what gave GW1 more depth to its combat. You could adapt (and often had to adapt) your build to a particular encounter.

Same with fighting Glint back in Prophecies. If you didn’t interrupt her Crystal Hybernation, you could be in for a very long haul. Same with Kanaxai in the Deep, where you had to knock him down, and had to remove his enchantment.

This is something GW2 does not do. You are not ever required to bring specific skills.

You could adapt (and often had to adapt) your build to a particular encounter.

Same with fighting abomination back in arah p2. If you didn’t interrupt her Enrage, you could be in for a very long haul. Same with Ginva the butcher in hotw p1, where you had to destroy totems, and had to remove his enchantments either with mesmer or thief sword/dagger.

This is something GW2 does do.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

EcoRI.9273:

I remember in guild wars 1 there was a story mission where there was a mark of protection healer stone summit boss that was impossible to kill if you lacked DPS.

Nonsense. In GW1 you can shatter any enchantment. This is exactly what gave GW1 more depth to its combat. You could adapt (and often had to adapt) your build to a particular encounter.

Same with fighting Glint back in Prophecies. If you didn’t interrupt her Crystal Hybernation, you could be in for a very long haul. Same with Kanaxai in the Deep, where you had to knock him down, and had to remove his enchantment.

This is something GW2 does not do. You are not ever required to bring specific skills.

I hate it when I do story mission with random players, only to find out that we are not doing enough collective dps as a group to kill the boss. Either they have too little offense in their build, or their survivability is so poor, or they didn’t bring this specific skill to make the encounter easier that they are eating dirt in mere seconds. I don’t even think it’s a case of them being bad players. They just happen to have a build that does not maximize damage enough for them or have a key skill to finish the story mission.

Hi does any1 know what websites I can go to find the Chinese client stream? I am curious how they approach pve and wvw.

I remember in guild wars 1 there was a story mission where there was a mark of protection healer stone summit boss that was impossible to kill if you lacked DPS. DPS checks existed in both games. Hell even guild wars 1 had a limit to how much “play how you want” you can do. You certainly can not beat story missions with monks, Spiteful spirit solo necros, shadow form tera assassins, vengeful was khanhei w/rt in your party.

spoj.9672:

The exact same amount of eles spawns every 25% hp. So yes you can get 3 eles perfectly stacked inside each other.

The common old strat was to run round the outside to a bonfire marked on your minimap to avoid aggro. Then only aggro the elementals close to that. So you only ever kill 1 or 2 elementals each wave. Sometimes people spawn right next to them which causes annoying aggro though.

The problem with this strat is it takes about 30seconds – 1minute to pull off. and when you do it 3 times, it is 30seconds slower at its best compared to the suicide method.

I wonder if it is possible for the guardian and warrior to just pull all the mobs for all 3 phases of the blizzard(by speccing tank) and stay alive. Then have the 1 thief2eles nuke while being safe. This will eliminate 1minute of time needed for the suicide and considering that the majority of DPS comes from meteor shower/ icebow, sacrificing guardian/warrior to tank might be worth it.

I am kinda curious on what kind of strats you guys use to kill the ele source as fast as possible.

List of strategies:

5 man:
1: Suicide strat and burning the ele source to 50% by face tank suiciding and then rushing in to nuke the rest. I don’t think it is the most efficient way since dying and running back takes about 1minute.

2: using the “normal” strategy. Keep fire lit, burst source to almost phase get warmth and then phase, run around houses, kill any aggroed Elementals, rinse and repeat. You won’t wipe if everyone plays well.

3: Non-eles attack the adds if too many agroed otherwise just try to go for the source.

4: Apparently I was told it was possible to stay alive without killing any vets. So basically suicide strat done right.

Low man setting:

1: to run all the way back to the svanir bonfire to ooc.

Wow EU too strong, NA needs to step up. q.q

Windsagio.1340:

EcoRI.9273:

Wasn’t that the very same excuse white supremacist store owners used against black people when they refuse to service them?

Ok seriously dude, that’s kitten’d up.

Was that an inappropriate comparison? I am morally ignorant. All I read was summed up as “I don’t want your kind(non zerkers) here” and immediately thought of that.

Harper.4173:

IllegalChocolate.6938:

And this is why the zerker meta receives so much hate.

The people who bolster about it come off as if their the only ones who study and practice the game. They come off as if they are only ones who know how to properly use active defense measures or pour their energy into perfecting their boss solos or know numbers or at worst, know how to operate their base functionality to play the game properly.

The zerker meta isn’t just some meta game min maxing. Its a religious practice of blind hate empowerment. This post that was quoted is sheer proof of this.

The moment I wanna play around with a condi mesmer out of curiosity in fractals, or start using weapons on my warrior that isn’t axe/mace + greatsword like a mace/shield missile deflection build EVEN if I am full zerker I am crucified the moment someone catches onto it. The only people who do this are zerker meta enthusiasts.

Optimizing damage or your play is fine. The discrimination isn’t.

people who actually are PHIW accepts people who min max if that is how you want to play because its play how you want. PHIW does not look down on people who min max but the zerker meta people look down on us for choosing not to do so to the standards of the zerker meta.

My post is nothing but an explanation of what’s going on. It’s common sense.
People are selfish and ultimately want validation. When people find out they aren’t special they become angry/sad/frustrated.

This isn’t just video-game or GW2 related. It’s a real life phenomenon that happens every day.

People might consider something cool or fun but if someone else does it better the tendency of the majority is to start finding excuses for why they’re being outperformed and generally to dislike the person who’s doing it.

Ever heard the phrase “you’re making the rest of us feel bad?” – that’s exactly what’s going on here. People are being forced to confront the fact that they’re not the heroes they thought themselves to be.

The post I made is not “evidence” of me hating anyone. It’s a pretty obvious and clear explanation of how people work. I happen to study people and thus have a good understanding of them.

This is again – not about “religious fanaticism” or “blind hate empowerment” – if you join a group then you subject yourself to being part of that group.
If that group has requirements by joining you subject yourself to them – and to being scrutinized and evaluated according to those requirements.
Otherwise you can always choose not to join and make your own or join one where the requirements are to your liking.

This is not about “discrimination” it is about people respecting other people’s rights to play the way they want.

If I make a group that is full meta zerker then I expect :

1.People to play only meta builds.
2.People to have only zerker gear.

If you fail to meet these two criteria then I will kick you. It has nothing to do with you personally – I do not hate you and I don’t want to discriminate but it is my right to choose with whom I play and I choose to not play with you since you cannot meet the criteria I requested.
On top of that If you know you don’t meet them and join anyway that also tells me you either have a problem in communicating ( can’t read or comprehend) or in showing other people due courtesy – in which case I most definitely will not want to play with you.

I cannot stress this enough : I do not look down on you – I simply want nothing to do with you – that is my only wish and dream – that we never meet and never play together.

Wasn’t that the very same excuse white supremacist store owners used against black people when they refuse to service them?

Haters gonna hate. I was told a number of people in this game hates me even though I barely interacted with them o_0, let alone had a conversation with them lol.

“If you run into an kitten in the morning, you ran into an kitten. If you run into kittens all day, you’re the kitten.”

I think I might try a condition thief in tanky dire gear with venoms to solo mossman sometime in the near future.

There are also people who think they are the best, run meta builds, run somewhat meta strats and refuse to listen to suggestions that may or may not increase the efficiency of dungeon/fotm runs. Trying things that aren’t meta is how one improves in speed honestly.

There are also people who think the community verified DPS sheets are wrong and have their own unverified DPS sheets to tell people that theirs is the right one.

anyways not every special snowflake is bad/lazy or casual.

hopefully they forget to put it back in :-) That fractal is definitely my least favorite due to the time gate.

I think a big problem with fractal rewards is just the huge disparity in completion time. A bad pug can easily take 3-4hours to complete fotm 50, where as super organized groups can complete it in under 30minutes regardless of which fractal is rolled. Now fotm 50 reward for organized groups is really not that bad but for groups that take a long time to complete, these reward / time ratio do get progressively worse. If you buff fractal rewards, it will be too good for organized groups.

Am I the only one here that wants to feel like a special snowflake?

There were a few times where i was afraid to tell my teammates that i was zerker because they kept talking about how good tank gear are and how zerkers are always on the ground dead.

There are players who legitimately think zerkers stats are bad and that ranging with tank gear and staying alive is the right way of playing the game.

bladex.9502:

EcoRI.9273:

1: roll a guardian
2: push lupi to wall
3: get him to phase 2
4: consecrated grounds WoR on the Wall
5: JACKPOT!

Why would I do that? it’s way more efficient to just join a random PUG and let them do it for me!

i was just trolling O:-).

TIL jumping is hard, except if you are goku lol.

personally in terms of dungeons/fotm the critical strike grandmaster traits all suck and are bad.

1: ricochet: boss fights are usually single target which means this trait sucks.
2: Hidden Killer: in group settings, thieves already have over 100% critical chance so this trait is useless.
3:Invigorating precision: this trait is just anti thief. Thieves are all about evading to stay alive, with this trait you can basically face tank a few hits and just shrug it off.

You just gotta make sure you cast a firefield before anything else at the start of the fight and given that there are so much RP for bosses, prestacking with presisting flames should be more than enough fury.

but PS warrior is officially the only meta war build after the trait patch hits.