Guild Wars 2

bump and nice to see so many well argumented explanations keep them comming in hope the ele will get the rightous buff/change soon

its easy if you ZERG them yes -_- in any fairish fight its impossible to win when your outnumbered. highest number =wins always.
nothing more then that due to the down system

the whole issue is that downing system adds nothing good to true pvp, it adds a very bad ability and second/third chances to survive once you already lost and ofc there should be no such thing in pvp, best player wins not just the once that are the most. since you cannot clear out a larger group, even if you or your group where able to kill of 3 times the players you are the time it would take to do so would mean that the enemies would have raised themselves and you would NEVER be able to actually finish them meaning sooner or later you would die or have to run.
not becouse they where good NO they suck terrible when you win with a 1 to 3 fight, but simply becouse the downing system makes it impossible for you to finish them since standing still for 5+ seconds with 1-2 people hitting you is not durable while still having to win.

downing system in pvp.

it seriously destroy any skill involved and make it a pure zerg win all game.
there is no way in hell fighting people of just half your skill lvl if your outnumbered even by a little.

what basicly happend is that you kill one now you can either fight the others = people will just get ressed FAST, or try to do thekitten “finishing move” which will result in you gettingkittenby his teammates.

its a very nice system for pve it adds alot and give people a second chance, but for pvp it is freaking kitten horrible especially in WvW it makes it nothing but ZERG wins all…. its AWEFULL and should seriously be removed from the pvp part of the game. if you fall down in pvp you should be DEAD, not downed.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/The-problem-of-the-elementalist/first#post69485

yes

there is none. the ele simply just sucks… play something else untill its fixed.. i would suggest mesm or necro if you like magic ^^

Ember.4326:

go and watch izkimar play (google if the following link won’t post)

http://www.twitch.tv/izkimargw2

and then stop talking about bad survivability.

Real problem is that 30 arcane is mandatory, much due to high cd of the elements themselves.

used around 1h to watch his movies, will just comment on what you wrote:
he dies almost instantly when some one actually focus him.
his playing as a pure support so it seems like people generally ignore him completely == which in every pvp game i have been in means that he is adding the least to the team and thereby can be ignored untill his the last one standing.

now try to check out any good necro/worriar/guardian/mesm/rogue, they are unkillable by normal scrups.

the attunement is indeed a very big issue.
as the “bonus special ability” its a really sucky one which handicaps the ele greatly. if you look at the others example worriar or necro there its a invulnerability with skills etc or a adrenalin which build up for some very powerfull effects etc…
the attunement really needs work, and wasting a full 30 points just to halfway fix a base issue with attunement is alot to ask of a class

i love the good points of every one here all together lets keep it comming with good hope some one with half a brain from anet will at some point poke some one and fix the ele

Seeker.1453:

In all honestly:
I too had my issues leveling but once i figured it out, it worked a clock.
If you think u’d been off better with mesmer / necro, please try – because you are likly to get even more frustrated. Just research your profession more – there are tools – but its your decision if you want to play said profession. No one is forcing you to.
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bs made a worriar easy as kitten to do everything.
made a necro and can fight groups of mobs 7-9lvls over my own -_-

with the ele i had serious issues just fighting 2 ranged 2 melee mobs my own or higher lvl in some area’s o.O

and at endgame area’s soloing those groups of spellcaster, ranged and cc mobs is stupidly hard with my ele even at max geared -_- while any other class any of the friends made (ranger, worriar, guardian, mesm at 80) can just easy mode it -_-

got 80 ele max gear tank and dps sets.. and i am in the progress of rerolling necro….

FU anet l2design a ele -_-

meteor storm is the best example 3 sec casting time 2-5k dmg if the target stays within the aoe area for the full 10seconds -_- great dps ironi

well its just kitten and hate that the other classes are so op in comparising to the ele… sigh… so much wanted to play a ele

well i reached lvl 80 and got maxed gear both tank and dps and i can tell you… its not getting better… i rerolled a worriar (its VERY strong) and now i am rerolling a necro becouse i cant stand playing the game without magic
its not the same but well, the ele is so useless that yer… if i wanna play gw2 and want magic its either suckkitten becouse of class or go mes or necro. so necro for me.. butkitteni am throwing HATE on anets dev team for sucking so much at making the ele

not sure how it stacks or the math behind it, but i know you can go through 15k+ hp in less then 10 sec with 10-+ bleed stacks in spvp

bleed is VERY strong dmg wise and buffing it would make already very powerfull setups even more op.

Shelledfade.6435:

necro weakest class in game in terms of s-pvp.

They’re so weak compared to guardian or warrior that it’s almost sickening to witness.

-_-
i can’t lose to a guardian even if i wait 10 sec with even attacking him…

necro’s DESTROY!!! any class in spvp…. maybe a really good rogue or ranger can survive but i highly doubt it and havent mead it yet.

the fact the necro will turn every boon on you to a condision and every con on himself to a boon and at the same time got a full 30sec invulnerability while putting out tons of dmg. etc etc.. calling him weak is a joke..

build him con dmg+thoughness, well based and stuff with plague as ult… his insanely strong. properly the strongest class in spvp

when that is said it really doesnt feel like a necro, it feels much more like a mesm, debuff/condmg and impossible to catch or kill.
it doesnt have the necro feel to it at all. sadly

there was WAY too much to read and it was very chaotic i had to several times check up on what the skill change actually would do to the current skills, you will need to add what it does and what you want it to do and more importent WHY!.

i like your shroud change and lichform change.

i dont like the stats changes on the traits, keep them as they are now i find it good for what they are set at. and making shroud stronger and more accessable is a bad thing its insanely strong already as it is

con dmg should be effected by vampiric.

wouldnt have a issue with the rest of the changes on a first look (but its hard to keep track of it all as its set up. would benefit alot if you actually wrote what the change to each trait etc is made from so its easier to keep track on specific numbers)

the sword is actually ok does ok dmg slows while dashing very far ok aoe dmg high burning but yes it disables your ability to do any kinda healing, but it is ok as a weapon, but as a ult its horrible.

The problem of the elementalist:

I will try to state the things which I see as the problem which is directly resulting in the weaken state of the ele:

CASTING TIME/ANIMATION TIME:
the time it takes to cast any aoe spell is way too big, you actually got enough time to just walk from the middle of the aoe ring and out of it before the spell lands. While on every other class you got only the time of the animation setoff which in general is only enough to dodge it if you dodge instantly when you see the person cast the spell not when the ring actually comes.

DMG/survival:
The dmg is in general very low compared to the survivability, meaning that the ele dies ridiculously fast and doesn’t have nearly the dmg on its skills to make up for this.

CC:
The cc of the ele is very hard to place, even when placed perfectly the CC doesn’t have much effect and last so short that you cannot get any combo of spells on them making the cc have very little effect other then a little bit of kite ability.

elite skills:
they are REALLY bad and adds nothing really usefull or in charecter to the elementalist.

Traits:
This is actually where I see the biggest issue. The traits seems to be very badly made, there is nothing you can choose which is REALLY interesting, there is no synergi between the different attunements you can choose and all of the traits seems to be element specific which on a class where your supposed to constantly switch attunement to just keep +- up with the utility that every other class gets without even switching weapon (5 skils got as much utility as the ele’s 20 skills -_-) it makes it REALLY bad to have traits which is only effective in 1 attunement.

In general I feel like the elementalist is REALLY badly made. Its like they had this great idea and it just never finished and they ended up with some half-finished stuff which they then rushed out with some standard stuff prenerfing it at release and throwing it out there to just be failure from the start.

be free to add which features or lack of same you find the most problematic for the ele

edit:

balance is not about weather or not you can make a class work if you are insanely skilled and fighting less skilled people NO its about if you are equelly skilled to the people your fighting and you will have a fight which is a coinflip away from who wins.
and the ele deffinately do not fill that description, and is therefore wildly UP compared to the other classes. and this goes through every aspect of the game from spvp to wvw to dungeon runs to solo pve. the ele needs to be MUCH more skilled then any other class to neat the same positive results and they can NEVER reach the same results as the VERY best of the best players on other classes simply becouse their class cannot archieve it with the tools they got (dps vs survivability vs utility/Effective cc
this also counts in pve ofc.

Dabrixmgp.4758:

All I see on here and on the GW2guru forums is how weak elementalist are and how they die if a mob sneezes on them compared to every other profession. If thats the case why are they a dime a dozen?

BECOUSE THEY LOOK AWESOME AND GOT SOME AWESOME LOOKING SPELLS!!!!!!! and both the mesma and necro doenst feel much like a necro or a mesma on their skillsets so yer ele is the only thing left -_-

its that simple, people play the game to have a specific feel of it, the ele is the only magic class that really can give that feel of MAGE, doesnt change the fact he is weak as kitten.

i stopped palying ele after making a full tank build and full dps build and both are stupidly weak compared to anything else. so yer now i got both ele, worriar and necro instead of just the ele which is the actual class i wanna play its just sooo retardedly weak its not even playerble

Navi.1032:

There are multiple issues with the Staff atm

*Auto-attack sound
*Necrotic Grasp is very slow
*Vampiric not working
*Mark of Blood does not seem to benefit from Greater Marks

first of i dont mind the sound. i would love to change the auto attack of the staff with that of the tridant though would make the staff AWESOME

all marks benefit hfrom greater marks however the graphic look does not show.

not sure what you mean with slow?
the vampiric i havent tested so enough to tell^^

Pinkerton.5643:

OK, guys…you have to get out of the WoW mindset. Not every weapon set of every profession is designed to be viable for 1v1 combat. Staff Ele can do 1v1 if you’re good at it, but that is not, nor was it ever meant to be its strong point. It’s a support weapon set. It excels in 2v2 or 3v3 or more. It’s good for controlling the battlefield to give your allies an advantage while helping them out some with a decent amount of damage when it’s used properly. BUT if you go up in 1v1 against a player with a weapon set that IS especially good at 1v1, then you will not do well. Not if they know how to play the game, because yeah, it’s pretty easy to dodge your ground target AoE attacks when that’s all that the opponent has to worry about. When they have to worry about more than just you, it’s not so easy to avoid. It’s not UP, it’s the way this game works. This game is about working together. It’s not CoD.
Learn your profession, learn your weapon sets, learn your build. Everything has a place. Every profession, every build, every weaponset…learn them and EVERTHING feels OP. Trust me.

equelly good groups i will change the ELE for ANY other class with a pro player behind the disk…
ele is kitten compared to ANY of the other classes…

in a 1v1 i laugh at the ele.. again any other class equelly skilled player will destroy the ele, in wow still kitten compared to every one else.

the ele is just pure bad.

here is the reasons:

long range ele: staff. the aoe’s takes AGES to cast, they will NEVER hit their target if the target isnt a complete idiot.

close combat; everything else got more dmg, more lifeleach and more buffer then the ele so try going hard vs hard will lose you the game VERY fast.

medium range, you really dont have anything really good at this distance and other classes does this so much more effectively.

in all cases you shouldn’t forget every other person got hte ability to instantly switch weaponry to better suit the distance/dps/utility of the situational need. which you cant on a ele. your attunement is a big handicap becouse it doesnt add utility it removes it by splitting effects on spells up to individual skills instead of alot of effects on singular skills.

at the same time the trait system of the ele is just pure AWEFULL!! it seems to be designed around specific elements instead of weaponry, making it very hard to make any builds which have good synergi when switching attunements which is a MUST to just get the basic utility which every other class have inbuild in EVERY weaponry.

the idea of the ele is good, but the work of it is just so bad it makes me sad -_-
would LOVE to play the ele, lvled it maxed it for dps build then for tank build, both kinda sucked (yes they could win but was rediculessly hard) then just switched to worriar where its rolfstomp, then switched to necro becouse i wanna play with magic which is still just rolfstomp in several builds -_-

knowing how many cool things can be done with, guardians, worriars, mesma,necro, and ranger it is really just sad that the ele got nothing really good its just sad to look at, thinking of the time it takes for him to even start to apply dmg and the minimum dmg he does combined with the VERY low survivability -_- he is just useless….
(havent touched a rogue in endgame so don’t know but from what i see and hear from the people i know playing it, its not bad at all)

evilbottom.2186:

Why do people think that ele is UP? I have no trouble shutting entire teams down. I hear the excuse ‘other classes deal same/more damage by button mashing’… ok… how about the fact that we get so much ranged control over our enemies that as a staff ele I can keep them in one place for 10/15 seconds, while also laying down enough AoE damage to absolutely drain them. What other class has high range AoE stun/AoE cripple/AoE chilled/AoE snare as well as half a dozen AoE damage skills, all in one weapon set?

So far I also haven’t had any problems escaping from warriors/thieves who dash up to me, because we also get an insane amount of escapes. The only time I get killed is when I get caught out of position with my cooldowns up, which believe it or not, is actually my own fault.

don’t lie -_-
i mained a staff ele and switched becouse they are useless compared to any other class.

10-15 sec pff which kind ofkitten team are you fighting? and how again would you do that when you can’t even have 15sec of CC even if EVERYTHING lands perfectly, that is without taking into account that every char you meet will have stun breaker, dash/flash movement, pulls etc.
if your good/lucky you got MAYBE 5-7sec cc to MAYBE 1-3 people at best (necro got 2sec instant full team cc in the push of 1 bottom, if you want to compare it with something and thats HARD CC not soft CC which all cc except the stun of the ele is, and the stun is easily avoided. on top of that the ele is forced to stay with 1 weap and attunement is only a handicap since all other classes gets the same utility mixed into 5 skills while the ele is forced to use 20skills to reach the same utility+dmg)

as a necro i would GLADLY take on a staff ele ANY day.. stupidly weak the ele is. i generally don’t even lose hp fighting a ele, if they are lucky and insanely good i go down to 90%+- hp while they hit 0%.

simply put without hard cc, without dmg, and with EVERY aoe dmg they got you can EASILY dodge, and with no survivability, they are just easy kill like crazy -_- its really stupid how easy they are to kill compared to how hard it is for them to kill anything.

ele is stupidly up, they are easily rolfstomped and crazily bad -_-
their dmg is lower then any other class if you got half a brain and use dodge out of the aoe’s, their burst is none existing, their survive is so low you can literally 3-6 skill them. the only builds which allow them to survive for two seconds is tank builds which in return takes their already bad dmg to worse and you can just ignore them or still just kill them easy mode style since even in survive form they still got less survive then any warrior/guardian in full dps mode, and a ele in tank is useless all together.

if you got issue’s with ele try meeting a good mesm or necro in the correct build and you will cry like crazy.