Yup. Fighting a guy built to wear you down for over a minute and a half can do that. Try finishing the fight faster next time, or backing off.
Condition builds need time to work. You gave him lots of time. Why are you surprised that you lost when you played right into his hands?
For reference, that condition DPS was 589 (assuming you were always Bleeding. If not, it was lower still). Tooootally overpowered…
The thing is, he’s not using a condition build. Most melee builds has insane amount of condition damage. Try fighting a hambow on point, the burning will do 80% of the damage. If he was using a condi would understand why the numbers were so high. But he’s not.
Condi warrior, condi P/D thief, condi mesmer, Grenade kit/Bomb kit engi.
These builds need to be toned down.
Or… you could try and learn how to beat them. Maybe you can work on a counter build for a few of those.
Everyone is so quick to demand the nerf bat for anything they can’t faceroll :/
So you’re saying you want a rock paper scissors type of balance?
Have you ever met a scepter/torch + staff Condi mesmer in WvW? You won’t stand a chance. If you havn’t, i would be glad to duel you with my mesmer.
The problem is your pvp players don t play www ._. i guess.
We won many extremely outnumbered fights while roaming Yesterday and your roamers gave up after 2 hours in deso border.
Those weren t pvp players for sure. (and i guess they were mostly pve players).
I know deso have good pvp players but possibly they don t like pvp…. (also megaservers :/ makes pve and pvp “identity” quite bland).
Come back to me when you can roam with sizer in WvW.
It is conquest after all. You want a thief to hold your close point? I don’t think think you do. Untill Anet decides to give us 1vs1 / 2vs2 / 3vs3 annihilation game mode(no respawning) we won’t see a shift in the current meta.
Who cares about double teaming. Im happy only SFR can fight blob vs blob and give us lots of lootbags ^^
I have been playing this season a lot (as SFR) and I have only experienced being wiped by Deso once in an open field fight. While I have experienced wiping Deso +-100 times.
I already asked Karl about this on a twitch stream chat. His answer was rather depressing and makes me wonder if he actually plays this game. He said that the balance team has no plans on reverting RTL. He also said when RTL is used offensively a good ele should check for blinds or enemy blocks.
A necro puts signet of spite or corrupt boon on you, an engi that spams grenades and bombs on the point, P/D thiefs with permanents torment and kittenloads of confusion and condi mesmers with perma stealthing with every condition in the game.
The problem I find with the whole “Bring a condition remover” argument, is if your specced for damage your giving up more damage to deal with something already inherently tanky. So now they have two advantages with inherent little risk. IMO this doesn’t promote healthy game play.
Basically what it does is giving all builds a chance to win a fight with skillful play, rather then win a fight with only the build carrying you. Have you ever fought a necro without condition removal? You won’t have a chance. But once you spec into full condition removal you will completely wreck the necro. I don’t like this at all. This only leads to a rock paper scissor style balance.
Condi removal and stun breakers. Never leave home without ’em!
Do you even play this game? CC and Condition doesn’t go hand in hand with stunbreaking and condition removal. You have stablity for 10 secs, what about the rest of the fight? The amount of conditions you can apply and the conditions you can remove needs to be brought closer together so the combat is smooth and actually fun to play.
Conditions: Classes like engis, necros, mesmers has acces to insane amount of conditions with skills with very short cooldowns. You have to change your whole build just to counter 1 class. If you spec into condition removal you will probobly wreck any condition build, but you will be wreckt by any melee class. This doesn’t work in tPvP.
CC: Hambow warriors, Decap engis, fear spamming necros has insane amount CC with very short cooldowns. You can survive with stablity for awhile but once your stablity ends, you’re kittened. The amount of conditions you can apply and the conditions you can remove needs to be brought closer together so the combat is smooth and actually fun to play. Immobilize should NOT be a condition, you should be able to stunbreak immobilize.
The current Win/loss ratio is not working at all. If you want to be at the top in the current ladder system, all you have to do is make a new acc. The losses should not punish you permanently, but should punish you temporarily in a way that it’s still possible to reach the top. A new player in sPvP will have more losses during his/her learning phase, this is normal. But why should this have an impact on the players future PvP score?
Every player needs to have their own personal PvP score so they know they’re actually getting better. And this needs to be INGAME also! Not just on the internet.
WoW has a perfect example on how a ladder system should work. Let’s take a player with a personal ranking at 2300. If the player loses a match he will go down to 2250. He’s being punished temporarily by losing points. But when the player reaches the top at 2800 that specific lost has not affected his personal PvP score.
I know there are threads about this. But Anet seems really unaware about the problems they have caused to eles and guardians by killing boon duration builds.
So I’m going to bump this thread until I get an official statement from Anet on why this was nerfed by 25%
From a WvW skill group perspective, id say no. A lot of guilds I know who are decent, would run the 45% boon duration rune combination. But to be honest, you don’t need that to keep up constant boons like stability and protection. Its just much much harder too, especially for something like stability.
Were your decent friends using the old 45% boon duration rune set? I bet they didn’t. The rune set wasn’t OP at all. It was really good for eles keeping their protection and might up.
Rune of water gives the most general boon duration. IF you really care about he boon duration setup you will need to run 6/6 water + boon food. If you don’t want to run the food then it just wasn’t that important to you.
Rune of water is only 20% boon duration. Even If I’m using boon duration food I’m basically missing out on other stats. This with the celestial changes are just another nerf to my current build.
The PU condi mesmer is the biggest faceroll chees build ever made in the history of all the MMOS ever made. But it is possible to beat the kitten using this pathetic build. It’s all about your burst as a d/d ele. Use burning speed + lighting flash combo followed by a fire grab and use your CC’s smart. After the 15th patch you can switch builds wherever you are in the world, so in a duel situation you should go for Diamond skin.
Also these mesmer are very weak to condi dmg. A good engi/necro can beat them easy.
Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNxirzYOA2Y
You think this patch is a buff for eles? Think again. This patch will kill the last ele roaming build when you remove boon duration runes and make celestial total kitten. And the sigil changes will hit eles hard. Solution? Give us a rune set with 45% boon duration that will replace the monk/water/traveler setup.
This could be a cool ele nich. Water elemental for support, earth for solo/tanky situations, fire for dmg, air for CC and dmg. Reminds me of the Mage in WoW.
I’m talking about the x/D and water traitline nerfs. The fact that we’re forced to spend atleast 20 points into water even after the balance team decided to nerf it to the ground says aloooot about our survivability.
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