Guild Wars 2

Is the damage coefficient reduced? Or was it the loss of % damage traits? I haven’t used a LB in too long and can’t tell a difference. I just randomly slapped on a LB and went to a level 80 PvE map, hit for about 9k which seems reasonable. No trait or armor adjustments to accommodate the LB.

Ha. They just updated the game a couple hours ago. Probly want to start here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-June-23-2015/first#post5194521

Toxsa.2701:

I’m currently running 6/0/6/0/6
Totally ditch Skirmishing for BM.

The combo of RT and BW is just delightful.

Honestly it’s pretty hard to go wrong with the traits at this point. The ones everyone knows are good are good, and the ones everyone knows are bad are unusable.

I haven’t tried it yet, but I’m pretty excited about taunt allowing pet cone attacks to finally be able to land with some consistency. Why hello there, pink moa.

The more I think about this, there is no way it’s a bug. You’re self-nerfing by canceling 2 seconds of CC and still suffering the ICD. I think this is intended, and if so it’s now a staple of WvW and PvP.

I hope it’s not a bug since it still has an ICD. This makes it really interesting IMO. Will be sad if they patch that.

And yes, the taunt stops immediately after you cancel cast, you’re using it only for the interrupt.

I superimposed the two radii on top of each other.

The taunt applies instantly, but you can still cancel cast your F2 to use it only for the interrupt. That’s really, really cool.

The new smaller radius (240) is baseline. To get the old huge radius back, you need to trait for it. I’m not sure the traited radius is exactly the same radius as the old one, but it looks pretty close if it’s not.

Dude, seriously. You’re not contributing anything and are sort of getting annoying.

Ya, it needs to be traited to get the old radius back.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Fluffball.8307:

It’s a little nerfed, the radius is super small now.

Seriously?

Ya, it’s a trap now so the radius is small unless traited. On a semi-related note, I’ve already gotten annoyed by the “We Heal as One!” scream every 16 seconds.

Nearly useless? You’re saying ridiculous things to get a reaction from people and “prove” we got buffed.

It lasts 9 seconds now and has a 1 second cast time. Weird.

So definitive answers to a couple. Natural Healing no longer heals the ranger, and there is no ICD on MDG.

Edit: BW is really, really strong. Shadow Refuge has to be used with skill now, thieves can’t just plop it down whenever they feel like to Irish jig off into the sunset.

It’s a little nerfed, the radius is super small now.

Anet didn’t think the name through. Berserker’s amulet is the short and sweet “zerk”. Marauder’s is what, the “maury” meta? “Maury mesmer/ranger/etc.”?

No stats from traitlines.

Yes we need more condi removal options.

Yes IB is crap, no one runs it, no one thinks it’s any good except apparently Anet.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

I don’t think 1 every 3s is OP at all. It is only .3333s better than currently.

Depends when the condis hit. If your opponent puts burn on right after the tick, you eat the full 10 seconds of it. On the other hand, in the proposed way, if you have burning and poison covered by constantly reapplied 1 stack of vuln, you keep removing the vuln and eat all the damage. It would be a lot easier to tell what’s going on with your condi removal though.

Profession is pretty much irrelevant (from a performance perspective) in every game mode unless you’re competing in a tournament with the top .001% of all players.

You can 100% definitely find people to play with as a ranger.

Also, welcome.

ProtoMarcus.7649:

Beastly Warden – The taunt is INSTANT (ON F2)

This just struck me completely out of the blue… I didn’t see it at first. That REALLY helps a lot of pets land their F2s. Like massively. Previously you could just mosey slightly on o’er yonder and avoid any howl; this will prevent that. Also with some slight effort, cones will be landable. Wow, is this the age of the moa?

Chaith was keeping up 25 stack of might on his cele engie using HGH

Weren’t you trying to tell me engi didn’t get hella buffed? I’m very unhappy with how they took a profession that was on almost — if not every — single PvP team and made it so much stronger. But that’s another thread.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

The only thing with the http://intothemists.com/ editor is you cannot use the links it provides by clicking on them ie http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-Jo-g;2FVx-p2REF-0;9k-3;1Z_b;0056147036;4ING6R;1fgm9fgm90U
If you click on that, it will not work properly, but if you cut and paste it, it works fine.
fyi.

Clicking on it works for me.

Protect Me doesn’t apply protection, it transfers all damage the ranger takes to your pet. Barkskin and protection do have some weird interaction, someone better at math can probably explain it better. They don’t work very well on top of each other though.

Clones are affected by all CC and conditions, I just wonder if they explode when taunted. I’m guessing NO, because taunt is supposed to make enemies run to you and autoattack you. My prediction is they autoattack the pet until the taunt wears off and then run back towards the ranger to explode (or more likely just drift to the pet, then go explode on the ranger since the taunt duration is so short.)

About MDG, what I meant was, if you stay below 50% health, do you just keep stacking might indefinitely.

Post yours, and hopefully answers when we test these tomorrow. Some of these might have been answerd in the live stream today; I didn’t watch it. Some that come to my mind:

• What happens when a wolf uses fear with the Beastly Warden trait?
• What does the BW taunt do to clones that have been ordered to shatter on the ranger?
• Does Protect Me reduce damage on the pet with Bark Skin up?
• Does Natural Regeneration still also heal the ranger?
• Does Light on Your Feet stack?
• Is there an ICD on Most Dangerous Game?

There are dozens of threads on RF in this forum as well as the PvP and WvW forums. Please honor your original post and delete this thread.

LughLongArm.5460:

Big respect for not twiking your build during the duels with warrior to make it optimal for this specific match-up. Switching MT to SOTW , entangle for RAO , spider to wolf and evasive purity to enlargement, would make this duel a walk in park.

I ran into a warrior the other day who was using rampage. He popped it and cycled through all of those OP skills. I used RaO and just sword autoattacked him to death, not dodging anything or pressing any buttons. Even I was shocked it worked, and I was the one playing.

I don’t think anything has really changed about pets? Cats should still do the most physical damage.

Jasher.6580:

That’s not the impression I’m getting from some of the posters. If that is the case though, I’m pretty kittened off.

Posters?

Jasher.6580:

So the consensus is that there is a huge possibility that condi Ranger will do better in boss fights but Power will do better on trash mobs?

Condi could finally be viable?

My pants are getting tighter!

To be fair condis have always done better in the long term under certain conditions. What you need are 1) a lot of time so the enemy doesn’t just die to power and 2) enough room for condis to shine.

For example berserker mesmers have always had ridiculous condi damage if you let them stack it up over time, it’s just that never really had a chance to show up.

We still need to see what sort of “challenging content” anet is providing in HoT. If it’s anything like the content of the core game, condis are 100% useless. I have a bad feeling their “challenging content” is just an excuse to stack a bunch of condis and wait for the boss to die though.

Sebrent.3625:

I’m getting really tired of people doing this each time there is a patch …

I think everyone can agree with you as long as ONE ranger appears in the top 30 or so PvP teams. Otherwise, no it was no ok to buff other classes more than ranger.

We don’t need more than the current 2 engies per team.

mistsim.2748:

who’s gonna stay under 50% HP for longer than 3-4 seconds? you’ll either leave the fight, get healed, or die.

This has a crazy situational use in WvW roaming. Often when you fight 1vX you’re under 50% for extended periods of time. I was roaming on my mesmer today where I was 1v2 AND a full camp of gaurds (and two annoying warthogs) where I was under 50% health for probably 3-4 minutes straight. It could pair with the shout-heal trait.

That said, this is probably not worth taking. It might be if you’re often in roaming situations like this, but you need to really be living on the edge. I’m going to try it at least, but… meh.

Klonko.8341:

CoF is not a real boss fight. I talking about the boss Fractal.

And yet PUGs can make CoF a real boss fight.

I remember a couple years ago I was in a group where CoF P1 boss was OUTHEALING OUR DAMAGE. I almost ate a fork in rage.

Klonko.8341:

Actually condis will outperform in boss fight but get put to shame vs trash mob. The ramp up is what make it bad. But with quick draw and the major condi buff we will get, boss has to be ready to get killed by our dot.

There is definitely a PUG consideration. Like if you take 4 minutes to kill the boss at the end of CoF, where an organized group kills it in 10 seconds. I’m not joking about the 4 minutes timer, I’ve seen worse even.

There is red in the engi forum. kittening engis get buffed to god status and complain ever so slightly about speedy kits being nerfed and Anet BUFFS it. I mean WTF.

mistsim.2748:

lol what? maybe some trash, but rest is fair game. pretty sure we’ll need to go beyond zerker in HoT, youre basically talking out your kitten .

There are no dungeons in HoT. Like I said “in core-game dungeon groups” condis will never be able to compete.

Also you’re talking out of your kitten if you think berserker won’t be meta in HoT, because Anet hasn’t talked about it at all.

mistsim.2748:

I honestly couldn’t care less about the engie buffs, never had any issues with that prof regardless of their spec.

You might want to look over their section of the updates. Engies are now support MONSTERS. You will be dealing with engies in PvP more than usual now.

You don’t need to do the math in one type of situation. In core-game dungeon groups of 5, condis will never come anywhere close to the power of berserker. No where close. The enemy will be dead before you can get the condis on it.

sevenDEADLY.5281:

Are you under the impression that the patch coming Tuesday is only changing engineers? Every class is receiving major changes. There is no overhaul that engineers received that rangers aren’t also getting.

The counterpoint is that ranger and necros were not “viable” at high levels of PvP, to the point they weren’t even represented. Rangers and Necros were effectively (or literally I guess if the necro players are to be believe, I don’t play necro at all) nerfed compared to some of the buffs the other professions got.

Ranger did get buffed, but engis got super buffed. Engis were already 1 or 2 per PvP team while rangers were 0 or 0 per team. It makes no sense…

I guess thieves also got a super buff as well, but I don’t play thief anymore so I’m just going off the PvP forums. Thieves are another class that needed nerfed not buffed.

I agree with CETheLucid. HS is “weird” now, but I think it is kind of a buff. It’s definitely going to take some time getting used to, but it’s not that different from how TU works. You just need some minor planning.

Frog, do you really think you’re that bad of a player that you can’t beat me with 75:1 odds on your superior staff ele? I am more than SEVENTY FIVES TIMES BETTER than you? That seems absurd.

Natfrog.4310:

Not sure what fights you get into but 1.5k disappears in an instant when 60 men come charging at you. At this point you flee. Assuming you got your weak kitten barrage off it does NOTHING to deter ANY of those 60 men. They walk through it laughing.

Ironically a zerk staff ele will be will be dead a few seconds before the ranger in that situation.

Can I also assume you are so not confident in staff ele over LB ranger that you won’t accept a 75 gold to 1 gold fight odds? 75 gold will get you a lot of T6 mats for your new legendary.

Natfrog.4310:

You want to add player skill into the equasion as an unknow I want sheer damage output by the numbers. I do not move you do not move this will undoubtedly justify my point in sheer DPS.

Ok 75(!) of my gold to 1 of your gold. I have no idea what your skill level is either. I will also take a photo of the empty beers I’ve had tonight. As far as I know you’re the best ele in NA.

Either the two professions excel at different things, or let me give you 75 gold.

Natfrog.4310:

We can go skill for skill you cast I cast same time we can go right down the line spamming each. I’m sure your 1 might beat me but the rest you will die.

No I have every intention of dodging the slow moving staff projectiles and ground targeted skills, you won’t land much damage. That’s the point, staff eles can’t compete with LB rangers in PvP. 50 of my gold to 1 of your gold, it’s too good to pass up.

Natfrog.4310:

Weapon skills to weapon skills sure both going full zerk?

Zerk amulet in PvP. Using all skills; I’m not going to not use a heal skill while you have water fields and blast finishers.

Natfrog.4310:

My point is that an AoE skill on my number 5 should have a hard hitting effect and you should not want to stand in it. The way it is now you can stand directly in it and survive no problem what so ever. In a practical real world situation noone is going to stand in ANY AoE so it should as a full zerk hit MUCH harder than it currently does as 1.5k damage per crit hit is NOTHING and the standard 600-800 non crit is pathetic.

It’s pretty standard practice to use barrage on yourself when fighting against melee and if it’s safe enough to do so. Like I said, 1v1, nearly nothing in the game can compete with a LB at range.

50 gold for you if you think LB weapons skills are that weak. Interested?

Frog, what mode are you even talking about? Not much is going to outdo a ranger LB for single ranged combat. Berserker GS mesmer is the only thing that comes to mind to compete. If you want, I’ll offer you 50:1 odds that I can win 2 out of 3 against you, me on a LB you on a berserker staff ele. If you win, I’ll give you 50 gold, if I win, you give me 1 gold.

If you’re talking about WvW zerg combat, they just have different roles which makes the game interesting. Not every profession should be the same.

It doesn’t work that way buddy, each profession is different. Staff eles do AoE, ranger LB does single target. If you want to do lots or ranged AoE, you play an ele. If you want obliterate the staff ele, you play LB ranger.

If every profession is identical to every profession, there is only 1 profession.

Are you trying to tell us you can’t kill a berserker staff ele on your LB ranger? Are you acting out for attention because someone is hurting you, and you need help? Post twice if you are being held hostage.

New pets would have to contribute something meaningful before Anet would add them I think, and that is tough considering how strong some pets are for their game mode (i.e. whatever they add needs to compete with a wolf in PvP or jaguar in PvE.) I doubt Anet adds pet bloat that nobody really would use.

Something I’d love to see is for a dev to take a look at existing pets and make the ones that are utterly useless not … utterly useless.

Edit: Particularly brown bear, since they nerfed our condi removal options so tyrannically.