Guild Wars 2

I wonder what underhanded backroom promises Evon made to Izzy…

Thedenofsin.7340:

Did it make the game look really silly? Absolutely?

That is subjective.

Asking the devs to waste valuable time and resources on this non-issue, now THAT is silly. Objectively.

If you kill her maybe she will drop some legendary PvP accessory.

The teams were so evenly matched. I know I might sound like a scumbag when I say this, but I prefer it when one team just dominates every other team every week over and over again and become that unreachable pinnacle that everyone aspires to conquer.

For instance Denial is absolutely dominating the tournament scene in SMITE right now. Last week they managed to pull off an insane 3v5 when two of their team members disconnected. It’s just amazing to watch them play.

Back in the day I used to anxiously anticipate the Bloodline Champions games where In Soviet Russia (later called SK gaming after sponsorship) dominated every other team.

There is no karma or gold sink for PvP’ers they don’t need to repair or use waypoints. I’m not saying they should make sinks. I’m just trying to point out the fact that with your suggestion PvP’ers will just keep accumulating these currencies.

I can speculate that the devs have atleast considered at length the auto-turning functionality of cetrain skills. Note that they only recently changed the Engi magnet skill from auto-turning to now requiring LoS. I want to know why they have not made this requirement global.

I don’t think it’s a matter of convenience. If players are given a choice between convenience and effort ofcourse they will choose convenience over effort. But, the question you have to ask yourself is: Is the game rewarding a player’s level of skill proportionately?

Maintaining LoS demonstrates proper positioning and awareness. Other things that demonstrate this are managing cooldowns and endurance effectively (not only your own, but keeping track of enemy cooldowns and dodges) and knowing the range and speed of projectiles (the latter to a lesser extent in this game). If someone who has the wherewithal to maintain LoS is being rewarded equally to someone who isn’t doing so and merely spamming skills at targets who are behind them then we are not rewarding skill proportionately.

I don’t know why I even bothered to post on this topic in a serious manner. There is a topic like this almost every other day. I guess I was giving the OP the benefit of the doubt.

I was going to say that bunkers having bigger hit boxes would be advantageous because they could intercept projectiles more easily. But, ofcourse as mentioned, hit boxes are standard.

If this game had player collision larger bunkers would be better able to body block. (perhaps another tacit suggestion?)

Warriors are balanced right now.

-Whirlwind does more or less damage than Phantasmal Berserker depending on the build of the warrior and the build of the mesmer.

-If you are comparing to the tool kit skill gear shield, that and magnet are the only worthwhile skills in that set. You have to waste a utility on it whereas you do not have to waste a utility for shield block. You also get shield bash with shield which is a really good skill.

- Bull’s rush stuns. Rocket boots does not. Would you rather have bull’s rush not stun and have all the facilities of rocket boots? I for sure would not prefer that.

-Guardians have much fewer hard CC’s. As a result all the damage output from Whirling Wrath can be easily mitigated with a dodge roll. Warriors have many options by which to keep people in Hundred Blades with CCs. Whirling wrath does a fraction of the damage of Hundred Blades.

-Rangers have a fraction of the health pool of Warriors(all classes do as a matter of fact) and are therefore more prone to CC burst than Warriors. Warriors can gain perma regen, not only for themselves but also allies if they waste a single slot on a banner and get the banner regen and banner CD traits.

-Guardians cannot build as a DPS spec. They can, but they won’t be as effective as Warrior DPS for instance. Similarly Warriors can build bunker, but they won’t be as effective as Guardians. Survivability is not the issue. Warriors can build survivable bunkers, but they won’t provide as much team support as Guardians especially if the enemy team has access to stability.

I think they should reduce the factor by which toughness and armor affects damage mitigation by a large amount and reduce all direct damage slightly. Also reduce the % mitigation from protection from 33% to 20%. And remove the vulnerability condition.

Right now condition damage is a band aid for the fact that a lot of builds are incredibly difficult (in terms of length of time, not skill required) or impossible to take down with direct damage.

1. Mesmer
2. Engineer

—Balanced—
3. Necromancer=Warrior=Ranger=Thief=Guardian

stof.9341:

Geff.1930:

If you want to judge this game by the standards of an RPG then the system in place is fine. But, if you want to judge it by the standards of an esport MOBA it is not fine.

You mean like in DotA 2 where you right click the enemy once and your hero will autoturn, automove in range and autoattack to victory until the target is dead?

Maybe you were thinking of FPS and not MOBA?

Also, this game ground target AoEs (Necro staff) aren’t OP enough for you? We need to nerf every other skill in the game?

Dota 2 uses an isometric view and therefore LoSing behind opponents does not apply. But, instead think about SMITE which is a 3rd person MOBA. Imagine if Anhur could run away from an enemy and without even turning around shoot Impale behind him to knock back enemies, or if Ymir could frost breath enemies chasing behind him.

Again, I’m not asking for skills to be aimed. Simply they cannot attack targets that are behind you. A lot of skills already follow this mechanic and all autoattacks already follow this mechanic.

It was probably Fear Me!

This game does not have gcds but it does have short cast times for skills so that most skills cannot be overlapped. The cast time is basically the animation time. if you overlap a cast time skill with another cast time skill it will interrupt the first cast time skill used and put the skill on a short cooldown (I think around 2 second). You can however overlap cast time skills with skills that don’t have a cast time (with few exceptions).

If you swap weapons mid cast you will interrupt the cast. If you swap attunements mid cast you will not interrupt the cast.

Using the WoW analogy think of non cast time skills as off-GCD skills.

In the video the ele started off with a cast time skill and then immediately spammed a number of non cast time skills. She started with Earthquake which has a cast time, but before the animation ended she teleported to her target using lightning flash thus hitting the target with both earthquake and lightning flakitten the same time she switched attunements and hit the target with blinding flash and lighting strike (both no cast time) and the two utilities arcane blast and arcane wave (again both no cast time) resulting in a total of 6 skills hitting the target all at once.

Maintaining LoS on a stationary target might not require skill but maintaining LoS on a skilled person who tries to consistently stay behind you does require skill.

If you want to judge this game by the standards of an RPG then the system in place is fine. But, if you want to judge it by the standards of an esport MOBA it is not fine.

Again I repeat, maintaining LoS is different from aiming. I’m not saying that your target has to be directly infront of you. I’m just saying that the target cannot be behind you. Yes, it might not be difficult to turn around, but it is certainly easier to not even bother to do that and simply spam skills.

Daecollo.9578:

Why should a boon benefit one class WAY more then the other?

Such logic… I’m in awe.

Let’s try a logic exercise Mr. Brainic. I’ll take it slow so that you can understand.

Scenario# 1:
As the game currently stands, if a guardian and a warrior both have the same healing power(assume 0 healing power) does the guardian get more healing per tick of regen than the warrior?

Scenario# 2:
Now, let’s say they implement your idea. After implementation if a guardian and a warrior both have the same healing power(assume 0 healing power) does the guardian and the warrior get the same healing per tick from regen?

Now let me answer your question with my question:
Why should a boon benefit one class WAY more then the other?

Fenrir.5493:

Its called strategy, what class are you?, for sure i can form any argument of a skill of your class and complain about it.

Whe should remove autoattack by that logic, we should make any ranged character actually has to aim theyr hits so they can land and not be auto traveling to the enemy kitten .

This is class unspecific. Just like Warriors can shieldbash or bullsrush or eviscerate behind them, thief can, for instance, heartseeker behind them, rangers can point blank shot and so forth.

I’m not asking for aiming. Precise aiming and simply maintaining LoS are two different things completely. Autoattacks already require LoS on your target.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

I find auto-turning to be an incredibly unreliable, and even then a necessity for my limitations.

Not to sound unsympathetic, but not everyone suffers from whatever digital limitations you are afflicted with. While I understand that you might have hand problems, frankly with these hand problems you are handicapped “against pro players” regardless.

Even projectile skills make you auto turn. There is something wrong with this. Any skill based game that wishes to be taken seriously cannot have this system in place for so long.

Even most newer mmorpg games with PvP do not allow auto turning. If this game sees itself as esport quality it should exceed the skill demand of an mmorpg, not have a lower skill demand.

Btw, I’m not talking about auto-turning when your opponent is in your field of vision but at an angle. I mean skills make you auto turn and attack even if the the target is directly behind you.

Daecollo.9578:

Geff.1930:

Guardians rely on healing to survive. They do not have as much health as warriors. Asking for regen to be based on max health is silly.

This is not based on max health.
This is not based on max health.
This is not based on max health.
This is not based on max health.
This is not based on max health.

This is based on the health your class starts with.
This is based on the health your class starts with.
This is based on the health your class starts with.
This is based on the health your class starts with.
This is based on the health your class starts with.
This is based on the health your class starts with.

Same thing, warrior’s start with close to 20k health while guardians start with close to 12k.

Guardians rely on healing to survive. They do not have as much health as warriors. Asking for regen to be based on max health is silly.

I’ve found that a large majority of the skills in this game make you auto-turn to face your target. This feature is unacceptable in a game that claims to be a skill based game. Maintaining LoS on your target and circle strafing are a masteries that require skill.

As it stands you can be running away from your target, facing away from your target and use a leap finisher to leap towards your target that is behind you. This is unacceptable.

The Warrior mace skillset is a good example of a skillset that requires skill to connect as all the skills with the exception of 5 do not auto-turn you, and moreover have a very short range.

I will grant that before changing auto-turning the devs might have to invest some time into fixing camera smoothening as turning can become a daunting task with this feature in place, especially for new players with low mouse sensitivity.

EDIT: There is some confusion about auto-turning and aiming. My intention was to suggest that skills require their target to be within approximately 180 degree radius infront of the player, not directly infront of the player. Auto-attacks, as well as some skills, already have this limitation built in.

I’m glad that the devs are proactively trying to make this game more and more a skill based game. Effective circle strafing and LoSing your target requires a great deal of skill.

I’ve always wondered why skills such as heartseeker and eviscerate do not require LoS.

Here is my opinion:

The problem isn’t that necros have high damage, eventhough people think that that’s the problem. No, necros absolutely need the high damage because they do not have high mobility and break stuns like other characters. Glass cannon warriors with berserker stance and CC can easily kill necros.

The real problem with necros is that 1) all their damage comes from conditions 2) The method of application of these conditions is ground targeted persistent AoEs. The result is that the class just seems to rely on cheap tactics. You don’t even have to LoS your target to apply conditions. I will grant that rangers and mesmers use similar cheap tactics in the form of traps and phantasms that follow your target even if you LoS the mesmer. But, rangers do not possess the amount of burst condition application that necros do and their traps are on a comparatively higher cooldown. Both of these faults in the ranger are justified because 1) rangers do not rely strictly on condition damage and 2) rangers have high mobility.

My suggestion for necros is to give them more direct damage potential while reducing their condition application potential so that their overall damage potential is the same. Secondarily give them skills that actually require LoS/positioning as opposed to mostly ground targetted AoEs persistent or self centered AoEs.

Yeah, not only is it unblockable but it interrupts your block skill. It’s incredibly annoying. With the Guardian pull skill atleast you can avoid the sword anchor that pulls.

QQ

If they do include templates, they should not allow build switching via templates while in a match. That would bring too much volatility to a fight as players rely a great deal on prediction. If everyone has the ability to come back with a different build after they die how can you predict?

Add a filter to show only 5v5 rooms. Problem solved.

In 5v5 zerging isn’t as effective as in 8v8 or 10v10.

If HB is moved to burst it should give you stability for the duration.

This is such a bad idea. This would just promote more ignorance. The people who copy/paste builds and don’t even read through all of their traits and weapon skills are the same people who QQ on forums: “My class is underpowered”

Here is my suggestion:

1) Move Hundred Blades to Adrenaline skill.

2) Remove Arching Blade

3) Insert a new parry skill that blocks one attack similar to Mace 2. If block is successful then damage and immobilize one target (or targets?) infront of you. Alternatively damage and put 20 stack vulnerability on the target for 4 seconds.

I terms of survivability I see bunker warrior and bunker guardian as being on par for the following reasons:

Guardians have better healing options. They have heals through meditations and symbols. Their healing skill shelter is incredibly difficult to interrupt as it blocks during the cast time. All warrior heals can be interrupted easily.

Warriors, on the other hand, have the major advantage of having a huge default life pool. They also have much more hard CC.

In terms of utility imo Guardians beat Warrior for the following reason:

Warriors can grant persistent boons through banners, have an insta resurrect and can also grant CC support. But, they do not have the amount of burst/passive heals that Guardians have. Guardians have two burst heals(3 if you count orb of light) through staff’s empower and merciful intervention. While warrior gives persistent regen through banner, guardians can also give persistent healing through symbols (assuming teammates stand on them).

In a teamfight enemies will not target you. While the CC support from warrior is okay at helping your teammates survive, the healing support from guardians I’ve found is much better at the task.

I was going to write about post-game analysis table in the suggestions thread as well. I think this would help a great deal. I understand that the devs have a lot of items on their table, some PvE related. But, consider that even fairly indie underfunded games like BLC have a very robust post game analysis table. Infact, that game’s table is a shining example of of a good post-game table should look like.

Conan.8046:

Hope you don’t mind me expanding on this.

Berserker Stance removes all conditions and stops them being applied to you for 10 seconds…possibly 12 if you trait stances.
Signet of Stamina removes all conditions.
Restorative Strength – Removes chilled, immobilize and weakness on heal.
Mobile strikes – Any movement skill removes immobilize.

I wouldn’t have to expand on it if you read through all your traits or read my post carefully. I specified that it was a warhorn trait.

There is a warhorn trait that makes warhorn skills remove a condition when used, along with that it also reduces warhorn skill cooldowns. Warhorn 3 ability removes cripple/immobilize/chill by default. With the cooldown reduction those two warhorn skills are on a 12 sec cooldown.

I hope that is adequete explanation.

Berserker stance is 8 secs when untraited. It does not remove any conditions retroactively. It is preventative assuming your opponent does not have condition duration increases (i.e you will still be afflicted with conditions if the opponent has condition duration +% mods).

Warriors just QQ all day. Most of the people who play warriors obviously have not even gone through and and read all their weapon skills and traits. Instead they just copy paste a build and when they cannot faceroll due to poor competency they come on forums and QQ.

Funniest post I read:

Warrior also can’t remove conditions

LOL, omg just LOL!

Warriors have condition removal on par with guardian with very little investment (Signet of Stamina and Berserker Stance). Their condition removal can far surpass even Guardian’s condition removal with sufficient investment.

If you trait warhorn you remove 2 conditions every 12 seconds along with free removal of cripple/chill/immobilize. On top of this you can trait to get free shake it off every 20 seconds if you have 2+ conditions. Even more on top of that you can trait cleansing ire to remove max 3 conditions with full adrenaline bar.

WTF are you talking about when you say Warriors don’t have condition removal.

This is just an example of the rampant ignorance in the warrior populace.

Just QQ more like a pro.

OP knows how to farm the jungle.

The only people complaining about Warriors at the moment are people who want to play bunkers. If you want to play a bunker, for the love of god, just play a guardian. Warriors are not optimal at bunkering just like glass cannon Guardians can never deal as much damage as glass cannon Warriors.

The reason why they haven’t split it is fairly obvious. The queue times are already substantial, imagine how long the queue times for premades would be if they split he queues. They need a healthier PvP tournament population before this is likely to happen.

Casuals can do hotjoins anyway.

Gold also is unnecessary for PvPers. The only occasion I found where I needed gold was to buy the Super Adventure box reward skins. That was also the only occasion I found to leave Heart of the Mists, albeit for a short time to farm baubles.

ensoriki.5789:

you mean about 80 people give or take 20? Lettuce be serious here.

I don’t expect a PvE’er to understand.

ensoriki.5789:

The rate of glory acquisition whether high or low doesn’t mean much when there is very little to do with your glory. What am I going to do with glory other than throw it on some dyes? You reach a rank, buy a bunch of chests, have glory left over, and sit on it till 10 ranks later.

I thought you meant glory as in the exp. I haven’t even considered the glory currency. There is so much of it I’m practically swimming in it. I guess they could make new skin crafting mats purchasable with glory as I suggested in the original post.

But, we are still left with the dilemma that PvP’ers acquire the (to us) valueless currency of laurels.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Player Character.9467:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

and click on my various utilities.

Well there’s your problem.

No mouse, no right click, no right click hold, no gamer mouse Believe me, I’ve tried surrounding my hands with every “recommended” keybinds system that other people use, and it doesn’t work. There’s only one thing that lets me Move, Target, Change my Camera, Dodge, and take action at the same time, and that is if I use the mouse to quickly execute skills and target with them while my keybinds are devoted to movement and dodging.

I’ve gotten quite good at it, but nonetheless unless I blow a lot of money on a gaming mouse (and a table to use it on), I can’t overcome those limits.

There is such a thing called tab targetting.

You don’t need a gaming mouse. Virtually all mouses nowadays have a back key a forward key and a middle mouse button. That is a gaming mouse.

Really!? I’d better play my guardian then. Poison used to almost insta kill me on my healing build bunker.

ensoriki.5789:

As laurel access gives PvE players some benefit for jumping in PvP. It also means PvP players don’t have to worry about grinding in PvE when they jump across. Which is fine in the same way PvP players would like to accumulate some PvE exp but currently cannot. At least pve gearing isn’t as bad for pvp as it used to be.

They need to fix Glory sucking as that is supposed to be for PvP rewards and is underwhelming at it.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that a vast majority of people who play sPvP competitively don’t give two cents about PvP and rarely venture out of Heart of the Mists, which is as it should be. As a result PvE exp or gear doesn’t help them.

pve gear in pvp? What are you talking about? You can’t use pve gear in spvp.

I think the rate of glory acquisition is fine. It is supposed to be slow so that it increases the novelty of skins that can only be acquired at high rank.

Most PvPers do not care about the items purchaseable through Laurels. I understand why we can buy PvE items through Laurels, it incentivizes PvEers to play some PvP and gives PvP a healthy population. But, PvPers who never leave the mists don’t benefit at all from Laurels.

Laurels should be able to purchase PvP skin crafting mats, or even new unique PvP skin recipe items that can exclusively be obtained with Laurels.

You don’t get any advantage from getting higher glory. New skins don’t give you an advantage over other players. Just play to win, don’t play for glory.

It’s not semantics, it’s logic. Show me one passive trait that gives you an active skill that you don’t already have access to.

Wtf are you guys talking about, all traits are passive. Do you even know what active and passive means?

jmatb.6307:

Improvisation (steal recharges utilities)

This is a passive trait. Just because the benefits are attached to an available active skill doesn’t make it any less of a passive trait.

Come on… such counterproductive posts on this thread.

I highly doubt that it was a hack. Don’t disregard the other possibilities and immediately jump to the conclusion that it was a hack. If you saw it being done over and over again in multiple scenarios then I would grant that you might have a good case.

1. Most logical conclusion is that you were having an internet issue creating lag.

2. Some anomalies do sometimes occur in the game once in a blue moon. Perhaps you were witness to one of these events. Most notable one is falling through the ground.

Once on my warrior an engi used his big knockback skill a and another engi standing a little farther away used his knockback skill; this resulted in a death during the first knockback, but before my body could hit the ground it was launched again. The start of the knockback chain occurred on the bridge by Bear and the eventual point of impact was supposed to be the wall at the corner between the two bridges on the way to Raven. Instead my body went through the wall and ended up on the bottom floor below the bridge.

There have been similar instances a couple of other times on different characters. More often than not you fall through the ground to your death.

vinceftw.5086:

Geff.1930:

These include rangers, necros, eles and to a lesser extent engis.

Do you even engi?

Most engineer build use a pistol and grenades. That gives them access to bleeds, poison, chill, immob, cripple, confusion, burning, chill and blind.

Compared to an elementalist, engineer is way better at spreading lots of different conditions.

I admit, out of all the classes engi is my least played. Most of my experience comes only from fighting against them. I said to a lesser extent engis because it is equally likely that you will see a bunker/CC based engi as you will see a condition based one, from my experience. I was not attempting to diminish their condition granting prowess.

Glass cannon without even shield off-weaponset. My god, just…. my god.

Are you ever not waiting for respawn? If you are not waiting for respawn for even 50% of the game I will be highly impressed.

I get what you are saying, about the stunbreakers atleast. If you are building condition removal you are indirectly still building for damage because you have to be alive to do damage…

Different classes get different mileage from stun breaks. Most stuns can be avoided through a variety of ways pre-application dodge/block/invul etc. (exception: Baslisk venom) And stun skills generally tend to be on a long cooldown. Not so with conditions, as most conditions are applied through either auto-attacks or ground spam. If you are a ranged character and can confidently avoid ground spam then you might have the luxury of investing into CC-breaks/immunity.

Consider also, about half the classes in the game rely heavily on conditions. These include rangers, necros, eles and to a lesser extent engis. Thiefs (caltrap/evasion thiefs) and warriors can also spec for condition, but seldom do. Without adequate condition removal/avoidance you already know the outcome of every fight against them before you even engage.

TheWalkingDead.7298:

so what is the point of this thread?

I thought the point was self-evident but I guess I overestimated people’s capacity for deductive reasoning.