Guild Wars 2

Idea Of Evil.1845:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Couple of things:

• I can barely understand what you mean due to the lack of proper written sentences – this makes it frustrating for debate since I have no clue what you mean
• Leaderboards mean absolutely nothing
• Title literally says Nerf but what do you want to get nerfed? Their burning damage? Their Tomes? The ability for them to WASD? You are vague, and highly uninformed as it seems
• Educate yourself before expressing yourself on these boards with random talk about nerfs

well all of ppl understand what i say except you so maybe you have the problem m8 check it out

Keyword: Barely – I am able to read what you said…

This said, I am glad you took the oppertunity to change the title… At least one out of a dozen understands that making threads with a title like the previous one does not get far

Couple of things:

• I can barely understand what you mean due to the lack of proper written sentences – this makes it frustrating for debate since I have no clue what you mean
• Leaderboards mean absolutely nothing
• Title literally says Nerf but what do you want to get nerfed? Their burning damage? Their Tomes? The ability for them to WASD? You are vague, and highly uninformed as it seems
• Educate yourself before expressing yourself on these boards with random talk about nerfs

• Immobilize
• Immobilize bug
• Immobilize stacking
• Random “obstructed” messages on flat terrain
• No valid path to target in flat terrain (seriously?)
• 7+ minutes que only to get whack teams
• Waiting in the mists, doing nothing but having your eyes on the screen
• The fact that I still log in every day (It is like an abusive relationship, I keep comming back)
• Baddies with builds that make up for their flaws

We talked about this on the stream as well yesterday…

Basically what you will see here is the end of support from an Ele as a Shoutbow under the new system will be more than capable of taking care of this…

Contrary to popular belief however is that the Ele is quite capable of self-sustaining them under the new system… Making Elemental Attunement a selfish version does not help the Elementalists there where it hits hardest, namely support

I know that a lot of people have said things about Elementalists, especially their popular Celestial build – but you got to realize that this is not removing the issue, it will simply shift it (when every Ele rerolls Warrior for the team instead), and that is a criminal mistake

Sooo…

You are capable of killing 7/8 professions on your Mesmer and Thief right?

I would say that this is some good balance then

Winged-heavy-armour-clad-white-longbow-wielding-thingy

Supreme.3164:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

100 games and already making unbased nerf claims…

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ESPORTS! \o/

Funny thing is if he was complaining about “other” professions, the that 100 games would have suddenly become relevant enough….I love gw2 paradoxes

I have invited you once to do this, but can you look up a comment by me where I said or hinted at this at all?

If not, can you kindly stop putting words in my mouth?

I just… I don’t know…

100 games and already making unbased nerf claims…

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ESPORTS! \o/

GoogleBrandon.5073:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Paragon confirmed

I mean, the wings are an easy hint

I was wrong, but I wished I wasn’t now…

Dragonhunter… fml

Well, take care Blu! Thanks for doing some things that most people (and an entire company) could not!

Malediktus.3108:

Is it bad if I never heared of him before?

Considering it did not give you AP’s, no, it is not bad, it was expected from you

I treat people like they treat me

Could it be related to each other?

Before people were forced to stay in the mists, people were capable of doing world exploration, crafting, but more importantly, and focussed on PvP, play in private servers to just have a quick duel
What I try to say is, when people are busy, it makes it feel as if they wait less longer than… well doing jumping puzzles in the mists or something…

I think just having personal arena acces would be more enjoyable, as well for a platform such as Twitch, where the majority of the time is spent looking at a guy pressing Shift while reading comments… While the latter is nice, it is certainly not the best representation for this game and might scare away viewers (and potential people who want to play PvP or buy the game)

It is actually both hilarious and depressing that the meta is balanced round these sigils so much

I mean, people speculated that without Air/Fire/Blood their damage would drop too low to kill a sustained build – but is it alright to rely on those sigils to take them down?
Same thing with Sigil of Doom… It is so incredibly potent, yet so easy to slap on your build and have minor succes with it, it is unbelievable – but is the reliance on doom to take fight the sustain a good thing?

I would argue by the way that Condi Builds are not viable because of burst to be fair… I think it is a mix of the potency of Condis within the meta (there are plentiful cleanses), and the fact that even when running a condi-glass build, you cannot tip the burst potential of a power-glass build… On the other hand, there is a large portion of players who dislike the nature of conditions and would figure it unfair if they yield the same results
What I would like to see however is Sinister comming into PvP and see if things are subjected to change… I think some professions which already lean a lot to hybrid could max out the potential with it, maybe resulting in a nice balance between all

Sunshine, people only go to discuss something if it is not according to their ideology, or alternatively, people will only be here if they have a reason to complain…

If the game was perfect for everyone, no one needed to complain, no?

There are things wrong within PvP and balance, so people complain about it… While I agree that the tone could be different more than often, you also got to remember that there are a plethora of issues since launch that are unadressed, or such obvious bugs (hello midair immob) that it ruins the gameplay completely – and all of these are left without any notes to the community, leaving them frustrated and feeling ignored…

I am one of the people who started a previous thread…

I am personally a bit conflicted here; I have missed out on a lot…
I was a Beta Participant for the original release, but missed the actual release when it came out, so I missed the GW2 cap… Since this was my own fault, I had peace with it and laughed it off
Now though, the stress test for HoT came, and I got no invite – fine I figured, I saw enough footages of the starter area to not be as bothered by it…

But this leaves a bitter taste in my mouth… There was no way for me, and a lot of others, to participate in the stress test when it happened since it was a game of luck – again, I am fine with this concept – however, now we get this “fiasco”
This is not really that “Ok” for me since you are accidently giving away items that people otherwise would’ve paid for to the people who already got their fortune for participating within the stress test…

Accidents happen, sure, but this is not something I endourse, and looking at the infamous HoM bug, I sincerely hope these mistakes are not made again

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Paragon confirmed

I mean, the wings are an easy hint

Paragon confirmed

I mean, the wings are an easy hint

Well nevermind; this source says he has no beta key

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Thank-you-Anet-33/first#post5032643

So… random luck I guess… cheers for everyone who got it

We can also confirm that the ones who got more than one key got multiple chests (2 in this case)

I am both extremely jealous (not really) and interested as to why this is happening :O

Apparently some people have gotten some heroic chests for logging in the game now and we tried to deduce why…

We came as far as thinking it is related to the beta portal key – so are there more people who can confirm that?

I will not go into detail as to what you did wrong and will just say; yes they were salty…

Mind you, it will take some games to understand the fundaments of every map – and it will take thousands to maximize your potential on said map based on experience…

Don’t let this discourage you, find out what the goods and bads are and just keep learning… People who blame you for their loss (either teammates or on the opposing side) are not helping the team themselves at all considering they decided to fight via chat

Just a couple of days ago I was in a team with a guy who I just recently blocked, so I was open and honest about the fact that I cannot read his messages… I found out; everyone in the team has done the same, side the guy we spoke about of course…
What you can deduce from this, more than often people who are toxic are getting blocked/ignored, so do not take offense…

If you truly want good critique about your gameplay and said mistakes, try to reach out to people with experience, watch streams (and ask questions!) and try to get a general hold of the gameplay, and just ignore all those who cannot do anything more than being a keyboard hero

There can be miracles..

I tried so hard, and got so far…

It is just sad that something like this can and is exploited… Considering only a handful of builds can do this, this is not something you want to see in game even if it is considered clever gameplay…

First off, holy crap I get this map a lot

Second, you can jump over the wall at the gate in this map (happened at the charr side in my occasion) – and this is not the first time I spotted this…

Strill.2591:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

You also gotta remember that forum folk are the vocal minority

Necromancers, because of the theme, are incredibly popular by the masses

I barely ever see necromancers. Dunno what you’re talking about.

Apparently not about your experiences, ey?

Though in my three years of playing (beta player here), I have spotted numerous Necromancers in all kinds of different places
In my guild alone (PvX) there are more than a handful of Necromancers who play every day on it and with great pleasure…

Again, this does in no way justify that the Necromancer is trash in nearly all endgame content – but the forums are but a fraction of the amount of people the profession actually represents… You should go to the Warrior forums as a joke and spot how many complaint threads there are despite the profession being a solid pick in any kind of gameplay

You missed the irony in my posts…

No, numbers do not matter for your skill – else a certain European Prince would’ve been the best player known to man, and I think I speak for everyone who knows him that his skill level is not something worth considering…

I am not here to berate you on learning to play – I am telling you that you should not take so much emphasis on void achievements… Dragon Ranks were practically given away, and you can grind it fairly easy in hotjoin. I am making my second legendary purely from what I get as a daily log in reward, which means my patience, not my skill will be rewarded. I got as many characters as I do because I had left-over gold, and gear is extremely easy to get by just grinding a few games in PvP

All in all, does this make me a better player than someone who has played less than I? I do not think so, and neither does my W/L (56%) ratio represent it, nor my MMR

Again, just saying “This is not a L2P issue” would have sufficed, because the amount of gear or time you spend to not translate directly into your skill. While after a few thousand hours most people are able to learn the game – others still do not get it after literally playing non-stop for days

It was a hyperbole of course…

Quick research would’ve shown you that I got no negative W/L Ratio (total) on record – which means that out of the 3.5k games I played, I must’ve done something right (Or I got carried hard most of the times)

However, I am far from the most techincal player, despite all the “amazing feats” on my account… Did I also mention having 13 characters fully equipped and level 80? I don’t know what it means, but I got it

The main point of it was, you can have all the AP’s you want, you can have that Dragon Finisher, or have it twice; It does not signify your capabilties within the game, so there is no reason to brag about it… Saying “This is not a L2P issue” instead would’ve sufficed

Ithilwen.1529:

I crafted, not bought, my legendary and have 12K+ AP and Dragon rank.. You learn to play. ANET apparently trashed a favorite build secretly and I’m not happy about it.

You learn to think for yourself instead of parroting the latest “cool” snark on forums.

Uhm, I don’t want to meddle with it too much, but so what? O.o

I have had my Legendary for over a year because nothing says Disco better than The Moot, got Dragon like any other who has played and won over 500~ or something matches, apparently got like 13k+ AP and I freaking suck badly O.o

All these things have absolutely nothing to do with the mechanical knowledge of PvP, buildcrafting or the in depth intricacy of countering your enemy

You also gotta remember that forum folk are the vocal minority

Necromancers, because of the theme, are incredibly popular by the masses – and only a few are truly bothered by the shortcommings of the profession because the game does not incentify to push yourself to 110% anyway

Despite all the sceptical jokes I make though, you should whisper me in game and ask about Warriors… Because oh man, despite it being a pick everywhere in the game… man… I got my complaints… Of course, it does not invalidate Necromancers being trash most of the times in “endgame” content \o/

Bacon.1835:

Lets not start talking about mesmers. We’re getting off track.

Back on track…. I’d love corrosive poison cloud to be useful.

I do not want to say it, but it is actually far more potent than you might think

Of course, in PvE it could be (tons) more useful if designed a bit differently, I mean corrosive without corroding projectiles makes me cry – but in PvP it does work as far as Necromancer’s are concerned

Bhawb.7408:

Why would we get an F5 without an F2-4.

Tell me about it, I just had all my keybinds in order, and suddenly F5 happens q.q

Also, F5 for edginess of course

Why stop there? Why not bring back the old stunlock build?
It was probably the best fun I had on my Warrior… glory days, long forgotten

rager.4963:

I can’t wait to see the new necromancer skill, we are going to get a whole new vampire type skills that make us sparkle. Can’t wait to glitter it up on the field.

Can you not? I mean, the last thing we want is actual Edwards with Twilight running about >.>

Sin Siduri.6302:

We could all, just stop pvping. I’ve taken a couple days off and it feels so good.

It was my first actual match in days actually – one of the two played, where the second I got trashed by my internet connection (sorry team), though still a fairly close match

Regardless, I am just astonished and it is because two reasons;

AFK-ing is still not punishable… It is not understandable to me that a guy who rushes off to far twice and loses his life there decides to screw over a match while the team was winning – simply because we did not accomodate to his wishes (which makes me wonder why he even pugs)

People still cannot fathom that the leaderboard is completely insignificant, utter trash and a laughing stock in a competitive enviroment – certainly not something to be proud of, and what is worse, he lied about it which is a new low (bragging about something that should not be bragged about)
Granted, he said that he will participate in the ESL-Weekly cup tonight… So I am going to watch our glorious “Rank 20” bless us with his infinite wisdom of his profession… Who knows, maybe he AFK’s to keep some secrets to himself

Casually whining about people throwing matches by AFK-ing and trashtalking – still no legit option to deal with them

Ciao! o/

Impact.2780:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

… You got a certain scrub under the account name of GoogleBrandon.5073 in your team

I’ve had this!

And your MMR has never recovered ever since…

I fell your pain man, I truly do

Emapudapus.1307:

Jelzouki.4128:

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Only really good for +1-ing a fight.
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I dont know why ppl repeat that (i know noscoc said it), but in my experiance its nothing special, not different than most professions, where almost anyone is good +1ing the fight. Even mesmer and thief (and power ranger) do it better not just with damage and cc but also with mobility, actualy getting fast to that 1ing fight. If you allow necro to +1 than your team might be sleeping.

It is however well known that a Necromancer can turn around 2v2’s or 3v3’s depending on the enemy composition on the other side… It also depends on who you roam with…

The synergy between Engineer+Necromancer is more potent than say Mesmer+Engineer, as Mesmers are a bit limited as to where they want to land their burst, preferring the enemy to stand still – while Mesmer+Thief can coordinate just that

Funny enough though, the combination Mesmer+Necro, though not seen much, is extremely effective, though I have little information to specifically work with this to give my reasons why

… You got a certain scrub under the account name of GoogleBrandon.5073 in your team

Jelzouki.4128:

In PvE we are in last place in terms of damage output

No… no Necromancers are not

However, a PS Warrior or Mesmer in general already offer more support than Necromancers could’ve ever dreamt of

PSILO.4068:

I have tons of hours on all classes (excluding ranger) And, in my not so humble opinion, we are more versatile than any other class. Need power? I got it. Need condi? I got that too. Need support? Seriously, I have that covered too. Need a Bunker? Does 40k hp work? (for kitteny kitten kittenings sake we have Death Shroud) Sigh, I just needed to vent. Thanks for listening…and feedback.

Versatility – where?

In PvE, damage and anything to support your team (reflects and team damage modifiers) are king, and the Necromancer lacks in that respect
Can you run a 40K abomination that is supposed to tank? Yes you can – but will you make anyone happy with that?
Or Condis? Sorry, but Engineers do that better than you… You only got Epidemic which is unique and that is it
Support? What? Where?! Seriously, do you mean the heal on lifeblast, or the vampiric traits on Wells? Well sorry to say, but why would you ever? Besides, even as a healer, a Guardian, Warrior (regen banner), Elementalist or Engineer do that miles and miles better than a Necro

For PvP this is the same deal… Played wrong? Are you seriously saying that after three years, you and only you have been blessed by the PvP-Gods with some kind of whacky 40K HP bunker build? Hate to pop your bubble, but no one is that unique… It has been tested, weighed and deemed unworthy, and literally discussed to death as to what is wrong with it

What you could do is become more humble, and rather than calling anyone but yourself a bad player, learn as to where these problems originate from…
Educate yourself within the meta, why it exists and more importantly; why some builds do not
If a DS Bunker Necro was a thing that you could take over any other profession within the current meta – then you would’ve seen this in effect at least 3 years earlier as the core profession has literally not been changed, as it is not that difficult for people to switch traits around

MailMail.6534:

You know it’s bad when the PvP Specialist has to come go to a profession sub-forum… btw, why haven’t we gotten profession sub forum specialists yet?!

Best wishes to the Necros. As a Mesmer main, I know how our classes have constantly been maligned by bad mechanics, bugs and non-nonsensical traits combinations.

Not all professions were covered with specialists iirc, this is why there is a delay…

That said, Gates is being really supportive here, and he deserves the recognition

Roe.3679:

djooceboxblast.9876:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Bacon.1835:

Dhuumfire – Consider burning in an area around the necromancer when shifting into Death Shroud.

Well, apparently the Devs wanted Necromancers to get hit whenever they are in DS (Like wat?) – so why no Fire Aura instead? It punishes people who attack, which is in line of the design with the Necromancer, helps both Power and Condi specs (more might stacks and of course burning) and can be counterplayed

I think this is a brilliant idea! The duration is up for discussion..

Agreed, really great idea. Love it for pvp, but I think the pve crowd wouldn’t be as happy.

To be fair, I think for PvE, it would still be Death Perception > Anything else… It will be hard to make it in line with that

Bacon.1835:

Dhuumfire – Consider burning in an area around the necromancer when shifting into Death Shroud.

Well, apparently the Devs wanted Necromancers to get hit whenever they are in DS (Like wat?) – so why no Fire Aura instead? It punishes people who attack, which is in line of the design with the Necromancer, helps both Power and Condi specs (more might stacks and of course burning) and can be counterplayed

PowerBottom.5796:

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First off, that build is not reinventing the wheel… slapping Sigil of Torment and Traveler Runes on a standard PoC Terror build does not make it something magical – it is literally what I ran for nearly a year aside the torment sigil, only without MoT since you will have 0 benefit from it

And this does not debunk anything said previously…
A Shoutbow’s purpose is cleansing and stalling (sometimes even killing) – an object who literally has so many AoE cleanses that it can nullify any condi-build. Not just Necromancer, but Ranger (probably one of the best for 1v1’s) and Engineer as well
You say it yourself, it is your best ally – but why restrict yourself to getting help from a Shoutbow as a Necromancer? Why not take it further and, you know, pick something else up? Does that suddenly change the strength of the Shoutbow? Probably not, so saying that the Shoutbow is your best partner is like saying Grass is Green, cannot argue with it, it is true – but irrelevant for the discusion

Reason why people pick up Carrion vs Rabid is an issue with what you face… More health is a better defense against Conditions (Celestials also use Condis as a main source of damage) – where Rabid is better against pure power
Also, Rabid or Carrion, being focussed down means death… I do not know where the mythical “More armour > More Health” came from – but I can assure you that you will not be capable of defending yourself against a Mes+Thief engaging from Stealth relying solely on your Amulet… The only thing you can do is use your Flesh Wurm (pre-casted) to disengage, as Necromancers have no reliable way of defending themselves against numbers (this has been discussed to death)

As for Nightmare Runes or Scavenging even vs Traveler – what is the purpose of your build? Do you use Traveler to survive better? Because if not, this meta surely doesn’t lack AoE Swiftness, so you do not need to rely on an amulet unless you run in an uncoordinated group – and even then the effectiveness of Travelers do not beat the pure power boost the other Runes give vs Traveler…
The reason some (and I) ran Travelers for a long time was because it worked with the previous itteration of Foot in the Grave – making it possible to safestomp or saferess without getting interrupted (+Boon duration), however this was effectively gutted as the meta changed, and eventually FitG itself, being reborn into something new that is not like his old self
Reason people pick up RP is because it is a reliable way to avoid being bursted with a Thief engaging with Basilisk Venom from stealth – as the counter Fear makes them flee, effectively saving you from losing 75% health… Whether you want to pick it up yourself or not is personal preference, as there are a plethora of good options to pick up instead

Sigil of Torment, once more personal preference – I like Geomancy as it adds to something a Necromancer can already reliably stack
However, Tormenting and Travelers do not mix together, aside from filling the bar with a condi you already have, it does nothing that will shock the enemy

All this being said; Do you have moderate succes on your build? Kudos – but do not pretend as if you are somewhat of a Special Snowflake and you got the magical key that no-one found out yet… If anything Ventari from previously [BooN] ran Travelers at the first ToL, and Sigil of Torment is obviously discussed on the Necromancers’ forum
That your perspective seems vastly different than others is nothing more than an experience issue… As it stands now, and it pains me to say it, Terror PoC is simply not worth taking… The effectiveness declines rapidly decreases when faced against coordinated groups

PowerBottom.5796:

The biggest mistake most ppl on the forum seem to make is that they have no clue what situations they should search out and what to avoid. Do I go roaming like crazy with my Necro and make the sub-par mobility come into play? – nope. Do I search out 1v1’s against classes that outsustain me? – nope. Do I still Pointguard home like in the good old days? – nope. Teamfights is where the Necro belongs IMHO. And yes, you’ll have to stay in the backline and LoS like crazy, but the boonstrip and AoE-CC and DPS is just amazing.

I cannot help to feel insulted…

Also, good job on staying in a teamfight on the ledge when there is a Shoutbow/Celementalist on point nullifying your Terror Spec… The effectiveness of the spec really went down the drain a lot as of late

Besides, and do not quote me on this since I do not like to be quoted, doesn’t Nos run Power now?

The Gates Assassin.9827:

Alright, so I feel like I’ve gotten the vast majority of points in. I want to get this in for monday so they can start to action on it ASAP. Also I have a 100.1 fever and feel like a necro minion. I will still be reading every single post and I’ll be sending another report about the other classes sometime next week. I’ll be sure to include any new ideas that pop up.

It is okay, I am traited for Death Nova

Get well soon bro, that is right, you are now a bro, bro

rager.4963:

Man I don’t know. Someone said that got a strong Siphoning build. I am still waiting to see what it is, and why it is strong. I mean if someone is going to say something is strong, Why is it so hard to tell me why? what we are doing wrong.

The strongest vampiric build up to date can be found HERE

The dude did his math and updates it more than often

Sidenote, if you think that Necromancers are good at applying conditions, allow me to say you are wrong…
While I am not the person who did his math, back when I cared it was already clear the Necromancer’s condition application is not that strong – being severely outmatched by Engineer who can, at this moment, cap Vulnerability, Bleeding and all this while applying Poison and Burning… The only thing unique to the Necromancer is Torment, and that is it, noting that the torment uptime is laughable in a vaccuum enviroment due to the cooldown

What a Necromancer is good at is Boon Control and Condition Spreading – both in the form of Boon Corrupt, and Epidemic respectively… Mind you, we do not excel at removing boons on paper, as the Mesmer takes that cake – but the niche is that we form these boons into something an enemy would rather not have on their bar

In theory, and when HoT launches, you could do some fun stuff with a full Sinister set and Epidemic – but with the current implementation you would still find your condi damage without Epidemic being not that high up

I am glad that “a” person actually got the feedback…

I gotta be honest, I had my last day of worked (forced due to savings, I have a contract, but no hours), woke up early for my last day, which are already two things that do not help one’s concentration or mood
Yesterday, I went to bed after witnessing the Mesmer changes, and was positively surprised as to what I saw, thinking some good things might come
Sadly, I saw what was… well nothing… So obviously I came to the forums and ventilated a bit in a sarcastic matter… I will fully apolegize for that

So thanks for the work you put in here… I hope it will be heard…
I myself cannot think of any substantial changes now due to a severe lack of sleep and aggitation – I just wished there was something that would incentify support within the team (As in, DPS support, not just healing and not in the form of Vulnerability)

Bartek.3568:

Well im gonna drop Necro now, gonna play Warrior, bye bye

Warrior is only fun for the first months…

I have not looked that deep into the changes, but nothing made me jump with excitement, meaning it will be as boring as it gets…