Guild Wars 2

Xandax.1753:

Heijincks.9267:

<snip>Thirdly, people on this forum only represents a minority of people who actually plays the game. Let’s be honest here, if people are having fun with the game, they wouldn’t be on the forums in the first place. Some people don’t even know a forum exists. On another note, most “main forums” are full of negativity anyway.<snip>

The amount might be a minority, but you have no idea whether the opinions of said minority is also a minority.

Many people play and leave a game without touching the forum, but that does not mean their opinions are in contrary to the opinions of vocal people.

The only thing you can deduce from it is that they don’t post on forums. You can’t infer they’re ‘happy’ about the state of things and/or they don’t want changes.
They might or might not be more happy and might or might not have more fun if the game was different. But just don’t want to dedicate effort into a forum-warfare.

You can’t use a ‘silent majority’ to back up any argument because you don’t know their position or motivations to play.

And then people can claim it’s normal for any MMO to loose a big bunch of players; however that loss often comes because the games don’t provide what’s promised.
People leave because they’re not willing to pay or use resources for that service. Yet they were interested enough in the product to buy it to begin with.
Bad retention in MMOs are a result of the products and not because ‘that is just how it always is’.

Actually, there are ways which you can infer the thoughts of the “silent majority”. One, we know that they still play, so for whatever reason they didn’t find a reason to quit yet. Two, it cuts both ways here; they might be overall happy about the changes. The fact that the game is growing correlates with the positive note. I’m not hesitant to say I’m being speculative here however.

By default however, and by whichever case, the opinions presented on these forums are still far from conclusive.

Also, as far as new MMOs seeing drops in population after release, it’s been a trend in pretty much every known MMO. You have to also note that how someone finds a game “fun” is purely subjective. For one person, all promises may have been delivered, but for another, hardly at all. As long as that remains the case, any MMO would fail to deliver to one population always. I’m not sure what fraction of the initial 3 million players quit, but the plummet didn’t seem significant enough to cause any major damage to the game.

TsukasaHiiragi.9730:

achensherd.2735:

TsukasaHiiragi.9730:

There are a million problems with the game, if anything the major problem is the bulk of players confusing anet/ncsoft with what ‘they’ want from the game. The remaining playerbase want a game more like WoW, some want something akin to Everquest and others hail from games like EvE.

I still think, personally abandoning the original Manifesto was a terrible idea, and thats what lead to the mass-exodus and all the player rebellions in the first place, which lead to the reddit panel. My beef is that what mentioned on the reddit panel, none of it has materialized.

Just curious: what mass exodus? Rebellions? I’m asking this as someone who doesn’t really follow the “politics”, if you will, of this game, and haven’t really noticed anything of this nature in-game. Are there actually fewer players now, and if so, where can I find the stats? Just concerned for this game is all.

You would have to go back to the Halloween events, thats where it all started. Since then, its not hard to notice the massive amount of players who have left the game. Also, research Guild Wars 2 reddit Panel, and the reasons why.

Firstly, the accusations of “abandoning the manifesto” didn’t happen until ascended was announced (which was in November).

Secondly, “mass player exodus” happens in every newly released MMORPG. I shouldn’t be surprised that it happened to GW2.

Thirdly, people on this forum only represents a minority of people who actually plays the game. Let’s be honest here, if people are having fun with the game, they wouldn’t be on the forums in the first place. Some people don’t even know a forum exists. On another note, most “main forums” are full of negativity anyway.

Fourthly, I admit, the answers on the AMA is wishy washy. Some people didn’t get answers. Then again, it’s bad to make too many promises. It just pisses more people off in the future if they aren’t met.

Mesmer if you want to be popular. Bonus popularity in WvW.
Warrior if you want to steamroll through PvE.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Lysico.4906:

These people that say an hour to do a daily? That is a flat out lie unless you are not even putting effort into doing it.

That’s an over-the-top statement, considering you have no way of knowing what zone the player is in, what server, and most importantly what zone they are in. Sure, you can find lots of everything in the beginner zones, but what about those who are in the mid-zones? Good luck finding 5 Vets, say, in Bloodtide Coast in any kind of time frame unless you’ve memorized the zone. Maybe some folks don’t want to have to go to WFF or QD to complete the daily. That just might be part of the complaints about having to go out of your way to finish them.

I don’t have a problem with doing the new dailies, but I do see both sides of the issue. People do not have to be lying if they say it took them longer to do a daily than your daughter, they just have to be playing elsewhere.

WvW borderlands. Kill 5 veteran guards? Two birds down with one stone (if you cap the point after). Giant lake in the middle? Infested with krait. Kill variety’s everywhere. Revives? Join the zerg. Dodges? Also join the zerg and dodge arrow cart AoEs.

Personally I hate farming. I prefer to find ways to make money and buy the stuff I need off the TP whenever it becomes cheap.

For example, CoF runs are fast, and running paths 1 and 2 gives you enough tokens to get 4 rares. Salvage them, sell the ectos, rinse and repeat (but not so much as to get hit hard by DR).

Jabronee.9465:

docledd.9682:

Jabronee.9465:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

no no dailies, no get laurels

what is problem?

No Laurels, No Ascended Amulet (for now).
Got it?
Cool

No ascended amulet, no game?
You dont need ascended gear to play the game at its best.
Got it?
Cool

There are also runes and armor available only through dungeon vendors. I dont see many people crying about not being able to get them because they dont do dungeons.

Dailies are just another option in this game. You dont need them.
Got it?
Cool:)

Its like complaining about not being able to recieve a quest reward if you dont do the quest. Simple logic.

You dont need ascended gear to play the game at its best.
You dont need to wear any gear to play the game at its best.
In other words just be naked. (Hope you understand simple sarcasm)
Got it?
Cool

Dailies are just another option in this game. You dont need them.
Ascended Amulet.
Got it?
Cool

Its like complaining about not being able to recieve a quest reward if you dont do the quest. Simple logic.
Its like saying hey Pvpers if you are not at least a 70% Pver then you aint gonna get the rewards. Simple scenario.
Got it? Its not rocket science.
Cool

Actually the “optional” counterargument (which I see getting thrown around a lot) doesn’t work on practical grounds. It’s really quite relative. Sure, it’s “optional” to run around naked in game, but is it practical? No. In the same sense, it’s also “optional” to run around in exotics instead of ascended, but this time, is this practical? Yes.

So yes, if you don’t like dailies, don’t do them. It’s optional, but not game killing.

Rooks Zaer.5846:

Vayne.8563:

The grind portion clearly referred to combat grind, not vertical progression.

Combat grind? What is combat grind? In a decade of playing MMOs, I’ve never seen the word “grind” used that way.

Vayne.8563:

Anet didn’t abandon their manifesto. People have abandoned their memories.

So -everyone- that claims they abandoned the manifesto has a bad memory? Except for you?

1. Combat grind is like MapleStory grind.

2. To what definition of “abandoning the manifesto” is really subjective to an individual. Going from cheap masterworks to exotics is also vertical progression (not to mention there’s also grind involved), but does that go against Anet’s manifesto?

Meh, I wouldn’t even call it “breaking the manifesto”. As for agony resistance, a good player can simply dodge such attacks (minus Jade Maw anyway).

With that aside, if ascended was released at launch, no one would complain about “breaking the manifesto”. The only problem was that it wasn’t released at launch. Ascended is simply a new tier. Going from exotic → ascended is the same as going from rare → exotic.

There’s always going to be some form of gear treadmill. Going from rare to exotic is in itself a gear treadmill.

But if GW2’s treadmill is enough for you to say it’s a treadmill in the relative sense, clearly you haven’t played another MMO.

If you’ve “totally lost interest” to play, then the answer is quite simple.

New dailies award laurels AND the other reward. One laurel can give 3 tier 6 mats. Instant ~50-60s. Old daily didn’t give me that.

I’m sold.

With that aside, I actually think the new dailies are easier than before. One fractals run completes 60-80% of the daily, and the remaining doesn’t take much more to complete. Dodging should be something every player should master if they ever want to be good at the game. Crafting? Well, refining 10 mithril ingots only takes so much time…

LordByron.8369:

not only….
They will be upgraded with the lvl cap making better than ascended…..

So if you have a legendary you will have the best weaponj around for some time every time they up the tier…..(because getting new equip requires time)

That’s only assuming they’ll introduce gear between Ascended and Legendary tier. Even if they do introduce more vertical progression, the cost of a Legendary still doesn’t justify an obligation to getting one.

Just wondering, does the previous act close before the next one starts?