Guild Wars 2

Phosphene.8346:

That’s what we have here. People are unable to deal with their freedom, as expected.

People are not unable to deal with their freedom but use that freedom to increase competitive edge in a competitive mode. What else do you expect them to do? A competitive player does not think “how can I dumb myself down so someone else has a chance”. He thinks “how can I improve efficiency”.

Imagine if soccer rules were: “You can bring however many players you want, and can play 24/7.” This is what ANet does.

Same with bots. Sorry man, you can’t equalize system hacking with free transfers, different timezones and things like that.

Yes I can. The principle is the same. If you don’t forbid it, it will happen. You can talk about human nature as much as you want. But we’re not living among aliens, so human factor needs to be taken into account.

Mikitten058:

It’s not a 1 person’s fault, or 1 company’s. The fault lies in people and a combination of Anet separating NA and EUservers.

But blaming people is pointless. It’s like being a dictator, removing all laws, and then blaming people for doing crime. Or being a normal citizen and blaming criminals instead of the dictator. Or being a parent and allowing your child to do everything.

Hackers will hack, and competitive players will play competitively. And that’s that. But people don’t buy this game so ANet can say “oh well, you know, botters use their freedom badly it’s not our fault”, “oh well, hackers hack, human nature..”. People buy this game so ANet can ban hackers and fix loopholes, ban bots, and make a healthy competitive environment instead of making appeals to human nature and hoping everything works out.

It’s like having soccer rules where players can invite their relatives to help out, but everyone hopes they won’t do that. What’s the point then? Why not just make a rule against it?

Mikitten058:

It is not only Anet’s fault for allowing free transfers. In all honesty it falls on EU servers/guilds to reach out and gain their own 24 hour coverage. Just as NA bracket has been doing.

It is slow, but not impossible.

You don’t understand the fundamental differences between NA and EU.

You ask for EU servers/guilds to reach 24hr coverage as if they didn’t already try. Then you say that you yourself are NA, playing in EU prime times, but don’t want to go to EU because of friends etc. But it didn’t occur to you that others think the same. The only major US guild who transferred to EU is RUIN, but they don’t have friends so they don’t have that issue.

NA guild going over to EU has to deal with the fact that regardless of the server many will be speaking their own language and not English (on Blacktide probably half of the players don’t type in general chat because they don’t speak Eng or don’t bother). It has to deal with the fact that regardless of the server the recruitment pool will be much smaller because many people join national guilds only. And on top of that of course there’s a timezone difference and possibly some small bit of lag.

On the other hand EU going to NA is nothing new for GW1 players as many English speaking players played NA anyway and were in NA guilds.

EU players moving to NA would probably still find a decent activity in PvE, if it’s anything like GW1. NA players moving to EU server would probably need to PvE alone. How many WvW-only guilds are on NA? And why would WvW-only NA guild move to tier4 EU? They wouldn’t, if anything they would want to be #1. RUIN couldn’t beat Blacktide, and to achieve anything right now at least few big NA WvW guild would need to jump together to some EU server. And that would just negate nightcapping, while morningcapping is still there. Which means there also needs to be Oceanic guild that plans to move on the same server..

And all this trouble for what? Competing what server will change their sleeping schedule the most? Vizunah has been doing that, Blacktide has been doing that, and honestly, whatever for? This game isn’t called Vampire the Masquerade, but servers with most vampires win, almost all the time.

What I think we will going to see is people leaving WvW more and more, and servers sabotaging themselves so they don’t get to t1 and stuff like that. They will just let nightcappers/morningcappers duke it out among themselves while they will try to have as much fun possible playing in lower tiers.

EU doesn’t have a pool from which to get off-time players. Even if Blacktide lost half of the guilds you’ll never have as many 24hr server as on NA. EU only has enough pool to have one 24hr server, and that is now Blacktide. If it wasn’t Blacktide, no one else would be because there’s no pool of players for it.

And so, while NA balance can go towards more 24hr servers, EU balance can only go towards less 24hr servers.

Phosphene.8346:

Seriously, guys?
ArenaNet provided you with servers. Equal opportunities for everyone. There is absolutely no fault from ArenaNet.

This situation has happened only due to human nature. It shows what players really are.

It’s not equal opportunities if you have people speaking eng and people not speaking eng, and if you have NA servers and EU servers, and if people are from different timezones.

What you’re basically saying is that society/state with no laws is OK, and if anything happens it is only human nature fault, and not the fault of the government. You can’t make anarchy and expect everything will be OK. That’s your thesis, and ANet’s assumption. And it’s obviously wrong. What if soccer had no rules? Competitive players would break each others legs.

Human nature is that in a competitive game you are competitive. To make sure competition is fun and healthy, you make rules. That’s how it is. You don’t say “everything goes” because then you have hackers, mass transfers, spies, griefers, spammers, bots… oh wait.

Why are bots banned in GW? Why isn’t your and ANet’s attitude: “it’s human nature, deal with it or fix it yourself”? You know why? Because it’s not healthy for the game and healthy for ANet’s profits. That’s why they made a rule against it, instead of appealing to human nature which would be utterly silly.

Excession.2198:

Oh, and to those that are still crying about Ruin, and server transfers, get over it already, you are acting like Ruin stole your lunch money.

Well, I for one stopped WvWing after you moved. So have fun winning, since you’re not interested in playing with others, or playing vs others. Just winning. I don’t care about just winning, I’m not getting payed for it.

Skoti.3195:

TBH I keep finger crossed for Arborstone. Next week might be really interesting and I’d love to see french servers working together. BT would face real challange at long last

What real challenge, that didn’t work even vs Desolation. If Arborstone and Vizu could really work together then they would beat Desolation, but they’re too busy squabbling and worrying about public opinion to make a profitable alliance.

Another thing is this – even if Vizu and Arbor teamed up vs Blacktide 100%, they still cannot win. That’s because of how off-capping works. They can score more points than Blacktide in prime time but in many off-hours Blacktide will have more players on the map than Arbor and Vizu combined.

You can already elect commanders!

Give someone 1g for the icon, or if there’s 100 of you, give 1 silver. There you go, he’s elected.

Sirius.9721:

have nothing to do with arrogance, just a simple fact. didn’t even try or anything, just ran on sight of RG.

Are you sure it’s not arrogance?

Because how exactly do you think a random group of players is going to defeat organized group on Ventrillo that chains crucial skills etc? It doesn’t matter if there’s more of them. And it doesn’t even matter if it’s a guild group, why would you suicide on a stronger enemy?

I roam most of the time and charge 2-3 players without fear. Underwater, I charge even enemy groups of 5 people, even going through them with spear. An organized group can do much more because of synergy. But I don’t think anything bad when people run away. One should fight from a position of advantage.

RamzaBehoulve.5640:

I spent a few weeks in their TS and how they were hoping BT would come top so they could fight them again in T1. They were all about the english speaking empire versus the french and the russian.

That’s interesting because once they switched to BT, ingame chat went like this: “UK and Russians let’s beat the French” (I thought they’re US mostly?)

What’s also interesting is that I didn’t notice anyone on BT cared much about nationalities. We were not against “the French” but against Vizunah server.

spanky.4630:

i find it funny how people say how great bt are yet they are made up of major guilds from every other server jeeez i could transfer there if i wanted to and so could anybody else . I know lets everyone in w3 transfer to BT we would all be winners no losers raaaawr.

BT didn’t make the metagame. ANet did. WvW rules are such that zergs win and timezone spread wins and higher population wins. And that’s that. It’s not even about the “major guilds”, come on, most of them just zerg around and don’t even bother doing anything special (no need for it, game doesn’t push you to maximize efficiency but timezone spread and pop).

If you deleted everyone from BT and filled the server with lvl40 pugs so queue is full 24/7, the server would still be #1.

What? They can’t even automatically reset WvW each week at 1am CET and you think they have time to manually move servers lol. Half of their employees would reply with “WvW what? You mean WoW?”.

I’ve noticed something else disturbing on BT, after watching chat of Synaptia [PG] and some other people.

Now that BT is #1 some who bandwagoned this server in the beginning (not Xaoc, they’re polite) act like they own the server, and everyone who joins it later is lower class citizen. Never mind that these people didn’t do anything special to the server; I’m sorry but the only reason BT was even t4 and t3 is Xaoc. Without Xaoc all these cool natives would be fighting Vabbi.

zin.1892:

The people in BGs seemed to be happy that RUIN had joined them, espeially NOON commander was very proud of RUIN while sitting on top o SM and having no enemy to fight against. I guess NOON is also one of the guilds that enjoy no challenge?

I have only seen NOON (or some tag like that – I don’t know who the heck that is) enthusiastic about RUIN joining. Really enthusiastic. Xaoc is happy too because it makes the server stronger. All others I saw are either dissatisfied or silent.

BobbybigBalls.3196:

I really feel sorry for XAOC what they gonna do when they get up?

They are already up for a while But they also play exclusively to win, so see the current situation as extremely good. The bigger lead the better, and it doesn’t matter who fights for you as long as he’s on your side.

Well, it’s not fun here on Blacktide for everyone either, but there are a lot of people who think that winning alone is fun and worth it. Personally, I think next several weeks are going to be rather dull unless some servers use this trial-access opportunity (higher server cap) to mass transfer. Without that, the outcome is obvious, and I don’t like the feel of playing for RUIN either so I’m considering a transfer. I did enjoy tier3 and tier2, and tier1 was supposed to be enjoyable as well but RUIN doesn’t like competition so now Blacktide will be doing a lot of lumberjacking and heavily outzerging other servers. That can be fun for a day or two and then it just gets boring.

PS: Let me show you what I mean. Current point ticks:

Blacktide: 515
Vizunah: 140
Desolation: 40

An hour from now we’ll be doing base camping for the rest of the week. Yay.

First, you’re going to be a lot weaker. Get used to that.

Whether it’s worth it depends how much you like PvE. I also level in WvW because it’s more fun than PvE. It’s slower though.

They should allow friendly fire in WvW.

CC Eva.6742:

Rest assured that the team is working on it.

They are working on a new game engine from scratch?

Because the current engine can’t do it; there’s nothing to fix.

Debsylvania.7396:

lookitsandrea.8531:

No, they shouldn’t stop one-time events. Instead, they need to adjust the populations on servers so that people who are online can actually play it.

Remember that countless trial visitors were part of the deal today. Not sure how they would balance servers with that going on.

It’s called Overflow. Where most of us actually are during these events.

Boring and laggy.

Imagine a “special amazing event” that you decide to spend ALT-Tabed out.

I get more thrill out of 1 skill/trait balance change than this.

buzzkapow.8465:

You do know that WvW was intended to be casual? It was clearly stated that it was for the casual player, and that “hardcores” had sPvP.

That would be all ok if sPvP wasn’t absolute trash PvP mode for those of us familiar with GW1. I rate sPvP in GW2 under even RA from GW1 and that’s saying a lot. TA (old Prophecy version), HA, GvG, FA – all these were way more fun and tactical to me than GW2 combat and sPvP. I can’t comment on tPvP but I don’t want to play 5-man AB.

sPvP bores me to death, and this is coming from someone who enjoyed even observing GvG in GW1.

So it’s no surprise that a lot of real PvPers are actually in WvW or not playing at all.

My server is best known for RUIN, amazing gaming guild that beat GW2 singlehandedly and is soon also going to beat Planetside.

They lost to French server first though.

But I don’t know why they needed entire guild for that. I beat GW2 myself this week and am #1 in EU. Next I plan to move to Stormbluff Isle where I will also singlehandedly beat NA and then I plan to quit GW2 because I beat you all once and there’s nothing else to do.

I think we need

ASCENDED GRIND WEEK

One week per month when WvW is disabled and we all go grind ascended armor in PvE.

You have obviously not tried using Moa after yesterdays nerf. Yes the skill has been nerfed. No chance I would use it now except underwater for fun.

While a Thief can use Dagger Storm to instakill you in few sec before he even renders, a Mesmer Moa turns the target into Moa bird that does a LOT of damage. You don’t even need to run away as Moa after yesterdays patch. Just charge the mesmer and kill him. You’ll be stronger than a Ranger with ranger skills!

As a mesmer I don’t know what everyone is complaining about. Almost no one used this skill in WvW. In zerg battles it’s useless. Outside of zerg battles it fails often due to block dodge whatever. And when it works it’s no kill guarantee. I’ve been killed by Moa maybe once in the entire game. Don’t make me count how often I’ve been killed by stuff such as Dagger Storm and what not.

PS: Oh and you can still Dodge while in Moa form. That’s 2-sec less you’re defenseless!

Why is siege being stronger wrong?
Why is it bad if taking fortifications is more difficult?

These are all good changes. Taking a fortification should be an achievement and glorious moment. Not a 5-min zerg event. I am not talking about SM here, but how it is on average.

Sacrx.6721:

I would of preferred seeing no target limit on everything.

This would be a horrible thing. Most of the skills in the game are single target. They’re already weak in WvW, no need to make them even worse, comparatively speaking. And it would be a huge blow to a mesmer who doesn’t have proper AoE and needs to rely on those few utility skills.

So you can stealth and hide once a Mesmer, Thief or someone else comes.

I’m serious. A 150% buff seems huge, but it’s done to a 34dmg of an autoattack.

Zid.4196:

So basically thieves got nerfed in spvp but buffed in wvw?

Actually they nerfed Dancing Daggers and thank god because that skill was just crazy.

But I’m afraid Thief has so many of these crazy skills that once ANet nerfs one of them, the next one in a row is used and the difference is like 10%..

I kid you not. I decided to try new Moa to see just how good new skills are. On my glass cannon mesmer Veteran on the crossroads took almost all my health in no time.

Peck did 3000 dmg
Kick did 1500 dmg

Tuna (underwater Moa) will spam 1500 dmg Stabs.

I understand that Moad enemies still can’t use some of their nice utilities etc, but at least here in WvW a Thief using that Dagger Storm elite has high chance to kill most WvW players in few seconds, while Mesmer Moa will not kill anyone, and you have good chance to die from Moa attacks. I don’t remember when was the last time I even died to Moa, but now I won’t even run away. I’ll try to kill the Mesmer and quite honestly they won’t even expect so much dmg.

Amen!

This skill has been balanced.

Overall great changes, especially Phantasmal Berserker one. I am a mesmer but that skill was ridiculous without LOS.

I was waiting for this patch to decide whether to make a necro or not.

I honestly don’t understand you necros who are satisfied with this patch. To me, this looks like a nerf and not buff.

At the rate they are fixing/balancing stuff, making necro within next two years is IMO not worth it. I’d love to play a “dark” profession, but I think I’ll have to wait for one of the expansions for that.

saVdoom.2067:

“Transfers” is the way to go they said, l2have a morning/night shift they said. Well, i guess you got as many transfers you wanted right?

And i wasn’t really talking directly at BT for having mass influx of transfers, but at the system in general that Anet built. Its silly and boring when all boils down to who plays at off-times.

And as you see, BT way made them get to #1, while SFR way of prime time dominance did not. But you’re not being fair here: SFR does want move off-time guilds, it’s just they have problems getting them (obviously, there’s very few of those).

It’s the system fault.

I like it how Ruin says they “beat GW” because they won once. Did they “lose GW” when they lost before numerous times? They also say they “beat BT before” so they don’t need to do it again.

If they’re such a one-time team, why not permanently quit GW after losing to the French? Because first you lost. Second time is irrelevant according to Ruin. So the French beat you. They don’t need to do it again.

Why am I even discussing sanity here..

Knasher.5607:

BT would be winning with or without them and they bring nothing new to the server

They bring poison.

Dropper.9176:

So just say to yourself you are the inventors of Guerilla Warfare

He didn’t say they invented guerrilla warfare, just that the name comes from Spanish language.

And nightcapping is a guerrilla warfare.

Either way, his server is T2 fair and square. They didn’t set the rules, ANet did.

Axle.5182:

BT doesn’t need the help to stay in T1 forever we need the challenge

Ah but you missed the key part! Blacktide can’t stay on top for long on its own, it might drop in a week or two. But – with the help of glorious RUIN, it can stay on top forever.

So from now on, credit for staying on top goes to RUIN

Differenttan.7049:

It does not matter if I believe the rumour or not, RUIN apparently do though, at least, that is their reason for switching server.

That’s not their reason for switching, the reason for switching is that once Xaoc wakes up, they have to fight against the tide. Their entire logic behind moving to EU is that they can dominate easily and for long once euros go to sleep. That was going well until they ran into BT server that is a direct counter for them, because morningcap>nightcap.

At which point I’d like to duel it out with Stormbluff Isle, just to see how the two servers compare.

Cunnart.6519:

If you are implying that our points at night are coming from ruin you are incorrect.

RUIN didn’t even transfer yet and BT is already having that many points at night due to RUIN. Just the rumor of RUIN switching over scared our foes

Knasher.5607:

To be fair ruin joined desolation when we were in tier 3 and the weekend they joined

That’s true but you just dropped from t2 and could easily get back there. You were still top2 eng speaking server at the time, a former t1. You were also pretty much a Full server as well, which helps.

But just to be clear here – I don’t think many had issues in RUIN actually joining Desolation in itself. Correct me if I’m wrong but most forum complaints were about nightcapping.

Ok, I stand corrected then. So the pugs shifted the balance

Aberrant.6749:

These shouldn’t be allowed. It’s WvWvW… not Wv 2xW.

The only reason why there is 1v1v1 and not 1v1 is to encourage alliances (teaming up). It’s not against the rules. On contrary it’s promoted.

MagnusLL.8473:

All true, however you really cannot say you chose BT because it was weak. On the
contrary, you chose it because you knew it had a strong russian presence providing excellent off peak coverage.

Of course, but as said, there’s a difference between turning potentially good server into top one, and just switching from one top to another.

I saw it very early, as soon as ANet said nightcapping is staying, that Blacktide is top material. I saw then that servers like SFR have no chance getting on top, no matter how strong prime time they had. You can’t get to the top bragging you have great prime time strength when that’s 4 hours compared to 24hrs.

But here’s a thing. Why did some guilds recognize Blacktide as potentially top server, longterm, while RUIN didn’t? Their own member said “we did great scouting, that’s why we didnt join FS”. But they didn’t do proper scouting. They wanted instant win. So they checked top2 eng servers and that’s it. While others moved to Blacktide realizing that they will have to work on the way up, that it will take a while, but eventually the server can be stronger than Desolation. And it wasn’t obvious it would be stronger than Desolation and Vizunah, it was still a matter of potential that needed to be realized and worked on.

If RUIN jumped to Vabbi with 20 other guilds and worked their way up, I don’t think many would complain at all. It’s the latest metagame anyway.

MagnusLL.8473:

However: might I point out that 2/3 of current BT WvW guilds transferred too? There’s a bit of double standards going on here…

There’s nothing wrong with transferring. Transfer is a must for any competitive player or a guild in a current state of WvW.

You have two options: you either bandwagon few servers like many did in the beginning when GW2 was released (that’s why some servers were Full and some Medium, instead of even distrubution of players and guilds) – or – after that initial bandwagoning you have to reorganize and transfer. Just because you did the bandwagoning first doesn’t mean you didn’t do it. Do you think all French WvW guilds equally went on each of French servers? No. Neither did Desolation players.

As for the difference between other BT guilds and RUIN.. well honestly speaking many joined when BT was in tier3 or lower. And most of those who joined when BT was tier2 were rather logical transfers (Russians..). Neither of these guilds was hopping from top server to top server and left as soon as there was a sign of competition. RUIN on the other hand goes all the way to EU, joins none other than top eng speaking WvW guild (they could choose Deso or FS), and as soon as first competition comes up, jump the boat (supposedly). But the major difference is in personality. Guilds that switched to BT talk respectfully on the forum, much like Xaoc and other old guilds did in the past (it was really noticable compared to some other servers). RUIN on the other hand is.. if nothing else controversial. Some of the posts of their members were pretty horrible, but it could just be down to big numbers the guild has. Even then, I’m pretty sure we’re going to have BT threads repeatedly locked down.

Honestly, I’m pretty sure if some other NA guild decided to move to Blacktide right now, even with our #1 status, many on BT would either not mind or greet the newcomers.

If RUIN is indeed moving over I hope they act respectfully towards others, especially enemies. No insulting French on national basis and stuff like that, and none of the glory tales.

Alright, now that we’re the only superserver in EU, what are we supposed to do? Spawn camp others?

This might actually be fun. Each day we’re going to have fully upgraded forts and tons of siege engines.

Might as well create a new profession that’s best at defending forts and tagging. I suppose that’s engineer.

Ah nvm………

I was even in a Party with people from the other server, was fun

Ally skills didn’t affect those from the other server though.

They can’t fix it. It’s the engine. It’s not a matter of a patch or two.

This is honest reply. You will not get ANet reply on this issue because for obvious reasons they can’t post replies that would hurt sales.

MagnusLL.8473:

Hey Magnus, another thing came to my mind. Do you know why exactly are numbers so important and defining in WvW?

Because hardly any group uses tactics.

So it all ends down to zerg clashes where you have some skilled people on one side, some skilled on another, some low lvls on one side, some low lvls on another, all with mixed random professions. But there is no group organization. What is considered tactic is attacking tower A instead of tower B, but let’s call that strategy; I meant combat tactic.

Even when you have commanders, their group (zerg if you wish) organization only consists of “we’re going there” and “build ram/catapult”. Nothing else, nothing related to actual combat.

Look at Red Guard on Blacktide. They’re one of those rare groups that actually use group organization/tactics. And because of that, they can defeat much bigger groups. Same thing with others who try to do portal bombing or balls/blobs and stuff like that. Cheesy or not, it’s still some kind of tactic, some kind of organization.

But this is very rare. Most of the battles are one zerg rushing into another, and then each man for himself tries to do what is possible but without group synergy.

Because of this, numbers in WvW mean much more than you’d expect. There are many guilds who consider themselves organized but what is meant by this is “people follow the commander left and right and yell if enemy is coming”. The actual group tactic and organization itself is not really present. I know some won’t like me saying this, but compared to some other games I played, GW2 WvW gameplay is actually very low skilled (on a group level). If a good guild/clan from World of Tanks or some other game came to GW2, you know how organization would look like? “Hello, we need 5 Guardians, 5 Mesmers, 8 Elementalists, 1 warrior, 1 necro…” and then applying all the tactics with balling, blasting, portalling and what not. There would be none of “just bring any class” in a guild with limited manpower.

Twinklefairy.6739:

Couldn’t help a grin breaking across my face at that. Oh, people like you, with the delusion that because you’re on a higher ranked server you’re better players, are comical.

You know, just because to you everything seems the same, and “all people are created equal”, doesn’t mean others who notice the differences are delusional. Maybe they just have eyes. To the blind man, everything is black. Others, they see colors, and they’re not equally represented.

Attila the Hun.8569:

You can argue till infinit that you lead all day that becouse BT earli morning shift leaves all stuff what you guys own fully upgraded which require very big effort to capture and requires high amount of players unless is captured at an hour when the keep or tower is undermanned from there you get all day loong lead on points.

That does matter but if sides are equal. So if BT is stronger in the morning and equal in the evening, it will still lead in points, yes.

MagnusLL.8473:

Simple truth of the matter is: playing better than the other servers with full maps will indeed give you a score advantage, but that advantage is insignificant compared to the advantage you get when you’re capping all 4 maps unopposed due to having higher numbers.

It’s not insignificant, it’s just not as big as numbers. My reply wasn’t about numbers not being important, far from that.

We don’t need to compare BT to Deso or Vizu here. Let’s use an extreme example. Do you really think that 20 players from best Vabbi guild would beat 20 players from top BT/Deso guild? Or even if we looked at 50 avg playrs. I don’t think so. That is not to say all skill is at the top but there’s surely more of it, not just numbers.

WvW is a lot about numbers but ignoring skill is a bit unfair to those guilds and players who put a lot of thought into strategy and gameplay.

MagnusLL.8473:

And without morning Russians BT is no T1 material.

That’s not true, and I don’t know why people constantly try to belittle other servers just to prove their (wrong) points.

Blacktide was having a point lead almost the entire time. And I’m not talking just about this match, I’m talking about last match as well.

Really tired of all the comments: “we would beat you if you didnt have nightshift/ morningshift / afternoonshift / eveningshift”. It’s like people refuse to accept they are playing WvW and not sPvP tournament. Choosing when to fight and when not to, is a part of strategy, and servers better at strategy win. Vizunah understood that a long time ago which is why they formed a good night shift. RUIN understood that also.

Let me repeat one more time: with the way the current system is setup, final scoring is directly proportional to the number of man hours a server can put into the match.

No it’s not.

Servers at the top have better players on average. That’s because better players gravitate towards the competitive positions.

PS: Easy way to refute what you said is being online at server reset. All servers have maxed capacity in WvW (full maps). If your theory was true, every server would have the same amount of points every hour, for as long as all maps are full. This is never the case.

lepri.6504:

The server claims to have better skilled players is the one who need ego nerf. Good players are everywhere

No they’re not. Good players are in good guilds and/or in competitive environment.
Exceptions don’t refute that.

It hurts to see so many outmanned borderlands. But enjoy while you can, soon the tide is rising again!

I know Decoy drops target.

That doesn’t make this skill any less broken. I’m not even going to debate about “how to counter broken skills”. I can’t believe how selfish people are. You can’t even accept that the skill is broken just because you play a Mesmer. Never mind that other professions are dead if you have a chance to lock onto them just once.

This thread is going the same way as threads about “Fix thief” posted before in Thief subforum. There are few honest thieves who will look at things realistically and a bunch of selfish people who don’t want balance but just to “pwn” easily.

HeeHee.5208:

You can cloak or move out of range etc…

You cannot move out of range if you’re in a tower. Go to Redbriar Greenbriar Rainbowbriar, I’ll lock onto you and good luck moving out of range. Maybe you manage to find 1 square meter than is out of range. Maybe.