Guild Wars 2

No one likes walking but what are the alternatives?

I don’t appreciate complaints that have no better solution posted, and having “mounts” just isn’t it.

Daiva.2394:

My own personal opinion on FS and Elona is that I seriously doubt there’s a coalition.

Even if there was a one, some of the moves from Blacktide I’ve seen make no sense to me.

For example, for some unknown reasons Xaoc commander goes to the other side of the map to attack Bay that belongs to FS, leaving behind other FS towers and not caring about them. Not caring about most of the map being green (Elona) either. What did make sense was attacking Elona on the other side of the map which strategically looked logical.

When I asked why we’re attacking I got a reply: “You don’t need to understand”.

And that was it. Of course, the Bay didn’t fall, the entire campaign was pointless.

On the other hand when CIR and others are attacking I understand what they’re doing..

Just to be fair here (I’m neutral) – SFR does have a nightshift. Whether it’s the biggest in the current matchup or not, I don’t know.

Many SFR people who say SFR has no nightshift live in the days of September. Right now SFR has NA guilds fighting for them once Euros go to sleep, but there are also Euros who stay late in the night. It’s just how the game works; it’s difficult to win just by playing few hours in the evening.

Anyway, all this talk about nightshift etc should really be a thing of the past. Any server who wants to advance will need to have a nice population spread. Talking about nightshift or dayshift is not going to get us anywhere. I would also like that PvDoor is not as rewarding but ANet is to be blamed, not those who have to adapt.

Thumbs up for style.

(Although I don’t like thieves that build didn’t bother me.)

I don’t understand the problem. It’s not against the rules to spy and transfer to other servers.

Too many people approach WvW as if it’s some kind of open field 5v5 chivalry contest.

You know if everyone keeps mentioning Pandas I’ll have to go and check what it’s all about I don’t even play WoW

Yes, I know that, but they don’t play WvW, they play PvE, so how do they know WvWers lose tons of gold? It’s not like you pay 1g entry to AFK autoattack one of the Dragons along with 1000 other people.

Kam.8109:

Favorite post by far. Compares apathy over losing time playing a video game to a person dying. After all it IS basically the same thing, right?

It’s not the same thing. Most people who read this forum will be passionate for this game and completely apathetic to person Mumbwanda Zolombi who just died in some forest of Congo.

So you see, right here, apathy for people dying is bigger than apathy for what happens in WvW.

The truth is: they don’t know when WvW rounds end and start.

No one in ANet plays WvW.

You can easily tell what profession and game mode developer focuses on, because it’s more polished. Think about it. If you were a developer playtesting beta WvW for half a year and fighting invisible enemies, sooner or later you would just give up and say ‘to hell with it, let’s release it as is and let others play if they want’.

fancy dagger feast.7520:

WvWvW. Being in a middle of the road server has tought me to play world vs world but dont get attached because your not going to win all the time so play the game as a whole not as a Snipet of its full potential.

I see. In short, you don’t care, and criticize people who do. That’s like saying “who cares if person X dies, I don’t know him, I’m not attached, I don’t care, chill”.

If a soccer game was interrupted and restarted after 20min when one team was nearing enemy goal in a counter-offensive and outnumbering enemy players – you can be sure there would be protests.

Personally, I was not logged in when this happened but I can understand while those putting in effort right now feel frustrated.

Not caring is not a virtue in itself, you know.

You don’t pay repair bills. Are you seriously going to argue with me on this one?

Keriath.3567:

Was there an actual reason as to why character names from opposing teams weren’t shown?

Yea, this one:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Corpse-dancing-jumping-and-other-humilation-tactics-When-are-they-acceptable/first

Don’t be silly, no one was talking about ANet modifying windows to make ALT+F4 do something else lmao. And of course ANet can do something – when character loses connection to the server it remains in a game for a while. Gamebreaking achievement for 21st century considering even GW1 had it..

Coshocton.5706:

They don’t skip out on the repair bill if you down them. They will log on dead and if no one is there to res, they will have to pay the port

I just explained how to instantly rez yourself even if there is no one around.

There are two instant ways to be rezed:
1) By using other people to rez you – you enter WvW from Lion’s Arch near Trading Post. There’s always a million people there.
2) By using a waypoint inside the same town – you enter WvW from Lion’s Arch or Divinity Reach or any other big town. Then when you login dead, you use one of the nearest waypoints for instant rez and zero cost.

You don’t have skills to get out of trouble when you’re lvl15 vs lvl80 who jumped on you and wants to dance on your body. ALT+F4 ftw.

And ALT+F4 should not be fixed before invisibility is fixed. I wan’t the option to leave without repair cost if invisible people jump on me.

Pro tip: Enter WvW from one of the bigger towns and ALT+F4, then when you relogin just use one of the waypoints inside that town. Instant ressurection, no cost.

PS: I’m not saying it’s OK to ALT+F4 just because someone is higher level.. and of course ALT+F4 should be fixed, it annoyed me as well but in this game with so many bugs and bad mechanics you can either join them or whine..

I play a cloth profession but just checked a PvP locker and there are some awesome looking scale armor for Argonians.

Except that there are no Argonians. I mean, wtf, the Khajiit are here..

This server should be renamed to “CRIMSON TIDE”

Dane.3948:

If this bothers you then there is something wrong with you.

I understand that moral relativism, trash culture, and profanity are considered something positive today in Western civilization. Oldfashioned as some of us are, we still strive towards noble behavior, gentleman manners, and certain values.

So there’s something wrong with me because I disagree with this display of disrespect and intent of humiliation of other players? But if I treated other players like garbage only because they’re worse than me in a videogame, that would be “right”?

O tempora, o mores..

Snort.3698:

has losing a match up you expected to win given you more drive for the coming week?

If you lose which excuses will apply?

Amm.. they will fight vs two DE servers so it will be “teaming up” excuse. Which might as well be true however, but in any case it’s going to be tough. SFR will have the advantage of NA guilds, whereas DE have none. Will that be enough we will see..

What queue? Most servers don’t have a queue these days, and even if they have it, it’s only few hours of prime time. And there will be less and less of queues as time passes. You don’t have to worry about queue unless you just joined the Server of the Week.

Non-WvW focused servers won’t have a queue, and WvW focused servers are moving towards 24/7 coverage which means a population spread, and thus no or less queue.

Why do we have to have this discussion again? Blacktide was better and won, and that’s that.

SFR is doing heavy nightcapping, while they talk of prime fights. I don’t get it. From 23 CET to 4am CET (night time for Europe), SFR has tons of points and huge amount of people ingame. While there are some Euro players as well, feel free to login to see just how many US guilds play on SFR while Europeans are asleep. Neither Riverside nor Blacktide have NA guilds actually.

You are the only server in this weeks matchup who recruited NA guilds that bring you a huge amount of points, and you still constantly complain about Europeans playing during the day, just not when you’re online. The truth here is, without your NA guilds you would be behind Riverside as well.

Can’t see the problem.

Other 2 servers can ignore HoD/ET and just duel it out. I’m not a huge fan of 1v1v1 anyway, much prefer 1v1 2v2 3v3..

WvW players on HoD and ET can just transfer elsewhere like everyone else.

I did look at that link. Now, you take a look at this link:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Abyss_Dye_on_Light_Medium_Heavy_Armor.jpg

Notice the difference between abyss dye on the link you posted, and abyss dye on that girl on the far left on this link?

It’s not a dye guide, it’s a list of dyes. And because different kinds of armor dye differently it’s only an approximate color.

I started doing this after seeing others. But I only do it sometimes, like when fighting a thief who does his perma-stealth kitten over and over.. I’m sorry but I don’t feel that deserves any reward. Same when invisible zerg jumps on me. I’m not going to pay repair costs because the game is broken.

Advantages to ALT+F4 strategy:

• You pay no repair costs
• Your enemy gets no badges

When you login back to the game you’re dead but a good trick is to be in one of the big towns when going into WvW. In that case you don’t need to wait for others to rez you. Instead, you use one of the waypoints in that same town, which costs nothing. There isn’t even a loading screen.

/agree

There should be more upgrades to structures, and while no one wants stagnant gameplay, the current gameplay consists of too much zerg running and not really enough real defending. Defending a tower/keep right now consists of calling your own zerg to come to defense and even then they might not make it in time to prevent the tower to fall. That’s how fast they fall.

It’s even worse when it comes to buildings ballistas for defense, cannons, even arrows carts in some places. The first two siege engines are destroyed seconds after enemy attacks the tower/keep, along with boiling oil. The only time these siege engines are not destroyed is when enemy numbers are too small to take the fort anyway. In which case these siege weapons are useless because you do a few shots on moving foes in the distance and that’s it. Also, while I do play a mesmer sometimes and do enjoy destroying siege weapons out of reach for anyone else (with Phantasmal Berserker), I’m going to be fair and say that this should not happen, at least not to siege weapons. All that elementalist AoE, plus berserker, plus other damage skills.. siege weapons perish in an instant. People build more siege weapons in Lord’s room than on the walls. It should not be that way.

One thing to remember also is that siege weapons are important because they give lower levels proper damage ability. They should definitely be more viable, inaccessible, and durable. I’m not sure how to balance it; we don’t want 50 indestructible siege weapons on the walls either, but some fixes need to be done.

Hey everyone,

Does anyone have light heritage armor and abyss dye on that character? I could really use a pic to see how grey it is, and is it good enough to bye. I know it won’t be black, just need it to be dark enough.

Ideally it would be human male light heritage armor, but the coloration might be seen well enough on norns etc.

(I know I can preview before using Abyss dye but if not good enough and I have to sell, I’d lose 1g in the process.)

Firefly.4165:

I’d consider that being waaay too serious. But then again, I find that gaming is a fantasy and not real at all. People do act differently when they have the internet anonymity.

Well, you payed money for this game. You can pretend it’s not real, but it costs some very real Money, takes some very real Time, and some very real Brain usage, as well as occasionally Emotions. The characters may be imaginary but those who play it are very real. And how many of corpse dancers try to insult pixel characters? None. They all go with the intention of insulting that very real player behind the character.

The main difference is the lack of physical consequences. That’s why some people say this is not real. When there is someone to inflict physical punishment there’s a sense of reality. On the Internet you can be who you want to be: dancer on corpses. Without physical consequence.

But again, the main point I was making was: Corpse dancers are not different IRL. You’re not going to convince me that someone who acts online as if he grew up on the street is in fact a deeply respectful and noble person IRL. He might withhold his actions IRL, but his mindset will be the same.

That’s all.

I act as politely as possible. Often I do /bow.

Firefly.4165:

It’s a game. Curious, why would it not be acceptable?

You do know some religions/people consider “real life” a game as well? They could use the same reasoning as you do.

There is no difference between a game and a real life. None. A game is a part of your real life. If you act like an immature idiot in the game, you’re not going to convince me that you’re anything else in real life.

vulneraria.4865:

first we don’t have any us guild, maybe AO but they are 10 ppl…

You might want to get more updated data. More like 3+ guilds and AO has way more than that. It is not good manners to belittle your own guilds and their accomplishments. These guilds, as well as EU nightcappers, give you half the points. I for one have nothing against these guilds, and it’s fair to state they are doing well.

second, usually we have dinner at 20 CET so our guilds events fully start at 21-22 CET and last 3-4 hours more or less, that usually EU prime time…for spanish and portuguese is even later

So you have 2 hour dinner. That prevents you from owning in prime time. Ok.
Spanish and Portuguese don’t share a timezone. Spain is CET as well.

1 am is the end of prime time in west europe.

No, it’s not. 23hr is. Prime time is supposed to be time when most people play.

vulneraria: “but in the end SFR EU prime time is better. at the end of EU prime time 0000-0100 GMT all belong to SFR.”
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Snort, are you reading this? I think your screenshots cannot contend with imagination.

Basically, screenshots show SFR losing 9/10 times between what, 6pm to 23hr, which is pretty much EU prime time.

Between 23hr (CET) and 01 CET, it is not EU prime time. It is US prime time. And since SFR had some US guilds transfer over to their server, they obviously have a huge point lead in US prime time. So between 23-4am CET, yes SFR is leading. It’s the only time when they’re leading actually – when Europeans are asleep.

But seriously, saying that 1am is prime time? I’m starting to believe prime time is simpyl a name for “time when we win”. And keeps changing.

Exactly. 30-40 players guarding 1 supply camp? Your team wins just by ignoring them.

You know, if these 30-40 players stacked their autoattack on me, I’d die in 1 second. Remove/nerf autoattack from the game?

Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m talking about. 4-5 of you killing them. What they see is 1 person down and come to rez, you kill them. NO ONE SEES YOU. Then others come to rez few people who they think died to arrow carts or something. Etc etc.

So this is a story of brave strong people killing puny enemies right? While in fact 4-5 of you were killing 1 by 1 enemy players who DID NOT SEE YOU. You were thus having number advantage the entire time.

“And yes, 1/5th of Blacktide’s numbers, and that’s being reasonable seeing that you guys had a massive amount of people while we had 15-20 people tops.”

You admit you had 15-20 people and claim Blacktide had more? Hey, I was there. Personally I don’t think Blacktide had even twice that number. And I don’t think it has more than 50 right now, a whole hour later, following the Commander. Again, it’s difficult to estimate, I can count to 30 and then let’s assume a bit more due to invisible people. But that’s now. Saying there were 100 an hour earlier, cmon..

soul.8617:

The majority of points BT have done (and its ordinary practice) from 00. 00 till 6-7 a.m when EU players going to sleep. So the term “nightcappers” is more suitable for them.

No. You mixed something. That’s when SFR gains majority of points.

From 23 CET to 4am CET, SFR is nightcapping (helped by American guilds who switched to SFR). The maps quickly turn red as there’s only few opposing. Blacktide hills for example (right now after midnight) had only one person inside when huge amount of both Riverside and SFR were storming the Keep. If this isn’t PvDoor I don’t know what it is.

Some time after 4am CET, Russians start waking up (their morning time, not night).

If you want to say Blacktide has more people on during the day(light), that’s true. But nightcapping, that’s what SFR is doing. During the “prime time”, it’s more or less equal.

tagnut.8621:

Its 11 in the UK. Thats not night capping

It’s not night capping for UK but it is for 90% of other Europeans. And that’s what people are trying to tell you. You accuse Russians of nightcapping even though they’re not, they play from their morning to their evening. So what are people in Romania or Finland supposed to do, not go to work because 1am their time is only 11pm in UK so it’s “not night capping”?

And you may be running around in borderlands – funny how you chose the near empty one when all the action has been in EB.

I see. So now borderlands don’t count for anything anymore. Only prime time UK, and only EB.

Is this going to get any more ridiculous?

Many comments tonight how blacktide and riverside are just badge dispensing machines.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but you got SM just a lil bit after 23 CET. If Blacktide and Riverside are badge dispending machines, how come you couldn’t get SM until prime time ended for most of Europe?

Blacktide have not improved since we trounced them 2 weeks ago – only reason you’re ahead is off peak gate fighters.

Blacktide is better than Seafarer’s Rest. Everyone can see that by looking at the score.

Seafarer’s Rest also is much weaker now compared to Blacktide. Before, SFR could win in prime time. The entire prime time. Now, SFR does not win in prime time. They win in USA time (23 CET + ). That’s when you start getting point lead.

tagnut.8621:

By 10pm we were on around 340 points. its 11 now and its about the same.

That’s not true. UK time is not European time. CET is the time of most of Europe. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/UTC_hue4map_X_world_Robinson.png

At 23 CET, Blacktide was leading in points. So no, by your 10pm you were not on around 340, check my post above, I wrote it as I was looking at the ingame score.
23 CET is also midnight for Finland, Bulgaria, Romania. For Moscow that’s 1am.

By 5am the Pvgates russians on blacktide will wake up andgo fight soem gates on an empty server, so when we all get home from work theyll have had 10-12 hours of 450+ points and no opposition.

You mean like SFR American guilds are doing right now when Blacktide is asleep?

And don’t tell me otherwise because I’m logged in. Blacktide has unmanned buff, I check the zone and what do I see, few Blacktides vs entire SFR zerg. It’s just as much PvDoor as in the morning when Blacktide wakes up. Also few SFR (not an empty server, just less people) but Blacktide zerg.

No different, except you only complain when others do nightcapping better.

Also, new rounds, Friday night 2am (ok, technically Saturday), what is that but nightcapping?

*Want to hear something ironic?

Seafarer’s Rest is the one who is nightcapping the most in this matchup.*

You see, European “prime time” is somewhere between 5pm and 11pm. Office people work till 4pm usually. During this entire time Blacktide has the lead.

Now, SFR starts winning in points after 23hrs, with people who stay past bedtime, and also their American guilds. They keep this lead until 4-5am (all times being CET) when Russians are waking up.

So the biggest part of the CET (Central European) night is covered by SFR!

Snort.3698:

w e had the unmanned buff yesterday and we werent whining.

I joined one of the borderlands an hour ago and there was outmanned buff. We were completely outnumbered by SFR (massively) and now at midnight (CET) they finally took the Bay. I’m sure they will boast about their “prime time” superb battles and won’t mention the fact they outnumbered the enemy by far, and that this is past the prime time EU.

ethier.3417:

Lighten up, It’s some banter…. Where is the fun if you can’t have some rivalry in-game..

I am too old, and never was young for this, to consider things such as demeaning, belittling, dancing on corpses and typing /laugh, insulting others, egomania – to be “fun” and “entertaining” aspects of PvP in any game.

As a gentleman, my rivalry goes like this: I duel someone and kill him. I respectfully type /bow if I feel like it.

I don’t share the vision of some here in the forum who want ANet to show enemy names because “hatred is fun”.

ethier.3417:

I’ll be honest though, We havn’t done great this prime time, atually for about 2 weeks now. Sadly players on our server (Not just ours) have gotten fed up with Hacks, Exploits and other issues with wvw.

That’s true for many players regardless of the server. The point here is that SFR keeps demeaning other servers because “we beat everyone 20vs20 in our own prime time and you suck”. And honestly, I think many people are getting tired of that attitude, including me (I’ve been on SFR almost the entire time since release).

I play to have fun, not to dance on people’s bodies, use /laugh when I kill them etc (many Desolation players were doing this for instance).

Score right now (23:10 CET – this is near the end of euro prime time, and people slowly go to sleep)

BT: 290
SFR: 280
R: 125

Webley.1295:

SFR is not focused on the WvW objectives but it has some seriously good PvP’ers who do like a bit of WvW.

I don’t see any proof of this. It’s easy to focus on WvW objectives when you have 100 people versus 10 of the enemy. You can overrun the entire map, any part of the map. You can have 50 people killing kraits in the lake and still overrun the entire map. When we played vs Arborstone they had bots killing kraits every night in the lake on borderlands but it didn’t matter since Arborstone at that time of the day outnumbered both other servers combined, by a lot (and now they are #1 server, for obvious reasons).

The problem of SFR is that it’s a medium server, which means there are less people going for the objectives simply because there are less people all around.

Just how many times have you seen SFR having a queue and losing in points?

Anyway, right now SFR has 595 points, simply because it has more players on the maps. In half an hour Blacktide wakes up and the situation will reverse.

I don’t understand what is server alliance supposed to be. It’s like an alliance within an alliance (server). We’re already allied. There are many servers in GW2 who don’t understand the point of alliances. They form an “alliance” among guilds of the same server. It’s ridiculous. Meanwhile, players who do know what alliances are – are on Vizunah and Arborstone servers. And if they play it well, they can continue being top servers until the 3rd server becomes strong enough to fight both of them at the same time. Which might take a long time.

Xaoc is fine, stop with this ridiculous bashing. They have a lot of members and are accepting everyone because that way it’s easier to organize.

This elitism thing is exactly the reason why SFR is not doing good as it could. SFR treats WvW as if it was tPvP. WvW is not tPvP. Servers like Blacktide are better than SFR exactly because they understand how to play WvW, and SFR does not. SFR treats WvW as some kind of prime time duels.

So let’s get one thing straight: Xaoc is better guild than ANY guild on SFR. It gains more points for their servers. That’s what “better” means in WvW.

Activity is going up and SFR still wins in prime time but the problem is 24hr coverage.

Leeach.3547:

Well a funny story. I where trying to take a tower early this morning with like 3 other players from Seafarer’s. In the beginning there are 2 Players from Blacktide inside and we are doing fine. Then after a short time more and more Blacktide players arrive and they just all run inside the tower. At this point I am thinking that we might consider running since they are like 8-9 players inside and we are seriously outnumbered. But I stay a few minutes more with the other bloodthirsty Seafarer’s players and still more Blacktide members run into the tower. At some point when there is 15 Blacktide players inside they finally notices that they have superior numbers and decided to wipe us out in 4 sec. Those few intense minutes did really give me a big laugh
Anyway good fighting tonight.

You will see more and more of this across all servers.

You knew there’s 4 of you attacking, but all they knew was they can SEE few enemies, but there could be 30 others they could not see.

That’s why you wait few minutes to see what’s going on. I died more than once when I see one person standing still (thinking it’s AFK) and I jump on it, and suddenly realize there’s 30 people around me. Or I see few people and think “ok let’s help allies” only to suddenly realize how many enemies there are. Too late to escape death, of course.
The problem here is that hesitation can lead to deaths as well. You can’t always wait few minutes to make a better estimate of enemy numbers, because your allies could die, or enemy could run away.

Webley.1295:

SFR has gone from a High server to a medium Population server.

SFR has been Medium server for as long as I remember.

The server can win prime time no problem, but it doesn’t have high enough population to cover the entire day. And the way WvW works, you need that.

lvl80 is much stronger than lvl22 boosted to fake lvl80.

WvW is the slowest to level, whoever told you otherwise has no idea what he’s talking about. You will level at least 5x faster in PvE. There are people who play WvW for 20min, have a nice chain of events, and think that’s how it is in WvW all the time.

You can ressurect closer if your server built Waypoints in other Keeps. Or keep laying down hoping someone else will ressurect you. Or, you work on having almost permanent 33% Swiftness, but on low lvl your options are limited.

WvW is bad for gaining money. You can get 5x more in PvE, easily. Your friends have no clue what they’re talking about. A good run in WvW can get you nice amount of money but even then not more than you can get in PvE. Average amount of WvW profit however is nowhere near average in PvE.

You can know where the fighting is by looking at the Swords on the map. Other than that, you should know where the fighting is by asking in the team chat (ideally, people would be told from time to time), or going to Teamspeak.

Bluestone.7106:

Do you WvW? you could try leveling in WvW.

He asked for alternative, possibly faster way of leveling. Leveling in WvW is at the very least 5x slower than in PvE.

It has nothing to do with the amount of players. I think there were max 10 people altogether (all three sides) on the entire map earlier today. And I could not see the Thief until he downed me. All I saw was nothing.. then red triangle for a while. And it wasn’t because of his stealth, I surprised him, he almost went past me as well.

Ok, so there’s maybe 10 people on the entire map. I decide to give it a try. I run into a Thief.. but I don’t see him at all. Only when he was right next to me did I see the red trianble above his head (still didn’t see him). When he downed me, I saw him. Then I ALT-F4’d of course.

I’m trying to say here that game is unplayable. It has nothing to do with someones playstyles, or how many people are in his guild.

Askil: “Besides from that, you sound like you want to be negative”

I don’t want to. But I’m exhausted and frustrated and really tired..
Anyway, going off now

Askil.8301:

If you’re not in an organized guild, you’re point is invalid. WvW NEEDS organized guilds and alliances. You’renot supposed to do WvW solo – simple as that.

Don’t be silly. As I said, organized guild does not change any of the points I listed in the first post.

And if you must know, I am regularly on server Teamspeak, and being “organized” doesn’t bend the laws of physics in this game, if you know what I mean. There is still a spoon.

yertle.5837:

Talking about zerging for XP/silver makes me think you’re on one of the smallest servers.

Population-wise, yes, Medium server. How different is it on other servers?