Guild Wars 2

Well the other thread died before it even started , no one posting

Now you guys can teach WSR and BT, The keeps are falling like raindrops, so much that I even got tired of it after 2 days and i’m taking a day off now lol.

Panos.9427:

Keep up the great job guys! And remember that someone does not simple golem rush Underworld’s Garrison!

Except RoS that is :p

Wryscher this thread is 6 months old, we’re now 6 months further and stil not everyone has a commanders badge :p

When I did my last post I checked WSR to be sure and there weren’t any botter then, they must have transfered in last night

And Dear Blacktide, now you don’t have to worry about the botters at hills node anymore on your BL, We’ll take over that worry for you.

Yeah I’ve noticed it too. The Hills node is red there all the time. I’m guessing it only works if your spawn is in the bottom left corner.

What the really annoying part is that they’re taking the hills quaggan node all the freakaing time…

Hmm did you go for a stroll a second time or just the one time when I was there ?

I declare this matchup officially over. I’m gonna miss collecting all those lootbags.

Okaishi.8320:

Ilesyt.7084:

Point ticks ? who cares about that ? :p

Don’t complain about us and Dzagonur focusing on you though, because whenever we do go for the Germans we can expect RoS doing something annoying like that, so I feel it’s better to just stick to you guys in the first place.

That’s cause we’re not afraid of lashbacks

I went there right after the 3-4 hour long 60-70 man kitten siege you had going at bay.

And well as soon as we took you guys off the germans, the germans focused on us too on EB -_-

It was fun fighting UW, Can’t say the same about Dzagonur…

Shush Dijla, stop ruining our reputation, They’ll start thinking we’re actually nice.

AHAHAHAHAAH You want to talk about Taking empty keeps ? YOU ? UW ? You have been doing that every single freaking night.
Meanwhile i took your keep during primetime, if there were no people then that’s your own fault. You can NOT blame me if you didn’t have people there during primetime.
What you said sounds more like whining Enocka.

If you were defending then you should be glad…

Point ticks ? who cares about that ? :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=BE&v=CduA0TULnow
I thought your garrison needed a new paintjob Oh and nice try going for our garr :p

Baelnorn.5710:

MonkeyBullet.8715:

I don’t understand the argument about going for the weaker target…
Surely its up to either server who they want to go for. If the gain is 200 / 100 / 20 for example, I don’t see the crime in the 100 gain server finishing off the 20, or focusing on them to scrape as many points as they can. If theres a massive difference in class between servers, thats the matchup system to blame, not the commanders tactics? If theres free points to be won, I know i’d take them lol.

The problem is that winning against a weaker opponent doesn’t necessarily improve the glicko rating of your server. Glicko takes into account the rating of your opponent, and the higher the rating difference between you and the other server is the higher you need to win by or you actually start losing points.

Just take a look at http://mos.millenium.org/matchups and you’ll see that despite Dzag coming in 2nd they still lose 6 rating points. This is because the point difference to RoS is too little to prevent point loss and the point difference to UW is far too high to prevent point loss.

If Dzag keeps this tactic up they are in for a rude awakening. Abaddon’s Mouth has about 150 more rating points and Ring of Fire has 60 points less (compare that to the current match’s differences: Underworld has only 80 points more and Ruins of Surmia only 30 points less). This means (at least as far as I understand Glicko2) that if Dzag came in 2nd place next week with a similar point distribution they’d lose rating points again, since the 3rd placed server is even weaker than RoS (thus winning against them yields only very little points) and they didn’t shave enough points off the stronger server.

It’s basically the same as with guarding camps and towers – do you want personal gain or benefit the server? If you want personal gain you join the karma-train herpzerg (respectively focus on the weaker server to gain kills/loot/humiliate your opponents). If you want to benefit the server you guard camps and towers (respectively focus on the stronger server).

This is exactly how it is.

Also if the second strongest focus on the weakest then you give the strongest more freedom to do things, giving them more opportunity to attack your and the weakest persons things, thus putting yourself in even more of a disadvantage.

You miswrote the title , it’s “Golems are Gate breaking”

Was too busy porting back to kick germans out of our borderlands.

The reason I’m mentioning numbers was because apparently some people whispered the angry commander “wtf, i thought RoS was dead”.

Oh and that was pretty much our whole force we have left lol.

Nice paint on SM there

PS, it was only 30 of us :p

Once again Krosan comes butting into things he doesn’t know anything about or don’t concern him spouting more bullkitten.

uhindo.4731:

RoS plz stop whining, this is pathetic. Game mechanics require the 2nd to fight the third to hold the current tier….

UW with their huge wvwvw playerbase totally control the game. If they hit DZ hard, RoS can get their share of the pie, if UW goes after RoS DZ can recover and will get some ground.

After all UW is the only problem in this tier atm, they clearly belong 1 tier up.

peace ;-P

uhindo.4731:

Daddydeath.9371:

speaking of dz’s cheap tacs a treb by spwan really? is this the only way u can take back ur keep?, as soon as i down one they run bk 2 get the buff, hahahahha nice one

I read from this screenshot:

1. UW ticks for +590 and is still mocking about the underdog servers. Pathetic.
2. At 13:14 normal people are at work ….

But hey, it’s ok, i bet your epeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen is that long. :-P

If what I was doing was whining then what you are doing is whining too…
Hipocryte much ?

And UW, that treb is so easily taken out why are you even complaining about that.

It’s not that we are running more small groups, it’s just that you noticed us more now because We were being overshadowed by XT. We’ve always been running these small zergs.

uhindo.4731:

RoS plz stop whining, this is pathetic. Game mechanics require the 2nd to fight the third to hold the current tier….

UW with their huge wvwvw playerbase totally control the game. If they hit DZ hard, RoS can get their share of the pie, if UW goes after RoS DZ can recover and will get some ground.

After all UW is the only problem in this tier atm, they clearly belong 1 tier up.

peace ;-P

Stop whining ? You’re the one making lame excuses. And no you’re not getting your own share of the pie and instead going after our share.

Just saying but The numbers UW has might lopside this matchup alot and can blame that for the way things are going, But Dzago you’re 50% at fault too.

They also had our bl >_>

Daddydeath.9371:

only reason it seems dz only go for u is because we fight them off at our towers, so they dont end up capping it, so capping towers from ros only seems logical in their view, believe me there is no such thing as servers only attacking ros and leaving each other alone, at the morning yesterday, wc was under attack by dz zerg, and ros attacked klov, we fought them off both, however it was hard as we didnt have enough ppl at the time, so at times it may seem 2 servers r ganging up on the other but simply this is how it goes in a 3 way battle.

enjoy

As you have said they got no courage to keep on hitting you guys so they go for the easier things. If you take my previous example: You guys were hitting mendons, it was your full zerg, if the Dzago had decided to go to klovan they could’ve capped it without problems but no they had no courage to do that.
2 things could’ve happened, you decided to take Mendons then you would’ve lost Klovan and i fyou had sent even half your force to go defend klovan, we would’ve pushed you away from Mendons and defended our t2 tower and MAYBE they could’ve still capped klovan, maybe not but mendons would be safe and you would have it harder next time to take mendons again and they would have the chance to take klovan or WC again. Now we lost Veloka and Mendons and it’s much easier for your zergs to take the tower even if you guys attacked mendons after we retook it you could’ve still made it back to klovan in time to defend after taking mendons.

There were many isntances where you guys were attacking Dzago and I ninja’d your WC several times , many of those times the tower was already t3 :p
But what would happen after is that you guys would fall back retake tower and come to our corner, No worries there we don’t mind you guys retaliating, the game is all about that but then Dzago would retake their corner and then they would invade us too…

Now, you mentioned that you were under attack at klovan and WC. The reason you guys were 2 teamed was because of me. I saw dzago was attacking WC so I went back into the dredge, made a wide circle around them and went to klovan instead. Sure I also could’ve gone to durios but what’s the fun in that ? I’d rather destroy t3 UW towers. Most of the isntances UW was double teamed was because RoS saw Dzago attack you guys (OMG it’s a miracle!) and then we would attack you as well.
But that’s just RoS way of thinking.
We don’t mind UW attacking us, you guys got lot’s of people you got a solid lead, you can do whatever you want. Now if Dzago were less selfish, cowardly and pathetic we could’ve had a silent agreement of attacking each other as little as possible and focusing on you guys. The matchup would be a lot more fun and it would be less lopsided.

They are so focused on staying second that they don’t noticed that they’re losing more ranking points because of that. We are red so we have less rating than dzago and UW. So dzago would gain more points if they (and us) chipped more points from you than when Dzago take away our points…

And what does it matter to you if I’m “making a fool out of myself” ?
And no I don’t care about losing, I’ve lost a lot more than you guys ever have. What I’m annoyed with is that Dzago are so pathetic to STILL attack the server that has the lowest people in WvW and most likely won’t catch up in points but somehow keeping that “2nd spot” is so very important to them.

This would’ve been a lot more enjoyable if Dzago had more courage and instead focused more on you UW, I would’ve ignored Dzago as much as I can as I had been doing the first week of our matchup if they had focused on UW.

LameTerror.4032:

Dude, you clearly have some issues you should be working on in stead of rambling on in this forum. GW2 is just a game.

And about the Dza never attacking UW on eb thing. They come after us from time to time, they often even get the gate to <10%. But then we wipe them (like 90% of the time) and it was all for nothing. I guess that going after RoS is just much more fun to do.

Maybe you don’t have noticed it since you got a huge zerg on your side and mostly on the attacking force, but having to defend with 20-25 people against 40+ of UW of Dzag at the same time is pretty near impossible and gets annoying really fast and add to that we are losing the money we put on upgrades.
Oh and as I said I noticed they do attack you guys SOME TIMES but that’s like 10% of the times, they’ve attacked us 9 times more.

And if you deny they don’t use the dirty tactics of only going after us so they get to be second then you are delusional.

What my posts are all about are you dzago are cowards, cheap and dirty.

And is that the reason why you’re not retaking your own BL but instead are golem rushing us instead ?
Especially now that the login server crashed, I have to hear my guildie say how we are losing the keeps >_>

Yup login server is down , I was changing map and poof.

1) You dzago always focus your attacks on us, if you don’t count you guys attacking towers in your own corner, 90% of your attacks were in RoS Corner! 90!!!
We’re attacking sm: you would be attacking in our corner
We’re attacking UW corner: you would be attacking in our corner
We’re defending against UW: you would be attacking in our corner again
And I kid you not it’s 90%! I counted every one of your attacks (I put down scouts just to prove my point).

2) What happened yesterday was that 50ish UW were attacking mendons, tht was pretty much their whole force and instead of trying to ninja cap Klovan and/or WC, They come take Ogrewatch and Veloka, there were 40 Dzag and 4 rams on our T3 Veloka, and there were even fightmarkers, All 20 of us in EB were defending Mendons when Dzago decided to attack veloka, couldn’t even get on the mortars at the keep in time to get rams down before they broke down the gates…
I’m tired of that cowardly [Insert S insult here] you have been pulling Dzag. So I Instated that Boycott on EB, have fun in EB with the whole Uw zerg.

3) Soon after the boycott there were 40+ Dzago in our BL, mostly the HON guild and there was also an UW zerg but they left after we kept wiping the 40+ of them with only 25 of us. But then I got report that 60 Dzag just broke outer on overlook and there’s also UW running around hitting another gate. So I portal with the 20 of us to EB, somehow I manage to the 60 man Dzago zerg (and I kid you not there were 60ish of them! I downed 2 times and my combined Bloodlust stacks came to a total of 49! And I couldn’t have tagged all of you.) But while I was wiping you Dzago I got a report of Dzago, 30-40 man zerg with 3 or more golems at garrison watergate, by the time we cleared Overlook, Garrison was pretty much lost.

4) Dzagonur not having more people than RoS ? Who are you kidding ? Even when the alliance was here you guys had more people than us! Just take the last example, you had 100 people just at garrison and overlook combined and there must have been more of you. We had 20 people who ported in to EB, already 10 people there and another 10 here and there (mostly in our own bl). That’s a total of 40 people while you had 100+, the people in your own bl haven’t been counted to that yet.
Even as a total population counting the PvE+PvP+WvW together Dzagonur always had more people than RoS. RoS is the second or third lowest populated server in EU. Before they upped the server limit and changed the people required to have a stamp as “high” , RoS, vabbi and FoW were the only medium servers left, never have we gone to high.

Resets totally proves to you who has a higher population and who has lower…

You know what Dzago ?[Insert Insult that starts with S here]! I can understand UW attacking us, So why the [Insert Insult that starts with F here] Are you attacking the server with the lowest population when we already got a zerg of UW that is 2-3 times bigger than what we got ?
Instead you should be helping us by attacking one of their objectives, but no you go and attack our stuff, but you know what ? [Insert Insult that starts with S here]. DEX is Boycotting EB, and i’ll make sure that other people do it too, Have fun fighting the UW zerg in EB!

Cruzyo.7304:

Sajuuk.6420:

Daddydeath.9371:

Sajuuk.6420:

Sorry guys.. but if this is the number diffrence this week.. then i’ll be doing PvE alot.. thats 2:20AM GMT and its 5 vs 25+ ( i know it s 25+ bcoz they made a fight marker at the camp they took before this ) and yet i still notice this odd pattern that no matter what we do the main fight is still over at our side of EB… ( and yes i know that dzag was in UW BL most of the day today ) Anywho.. enjoy the rest of the matchup.. i think i speak for my whole guild when i say we cba with this for a 3rd week in a row.

no more paint jobs? , shame to see u given up so easily

Took me 2 weeks and 2 days to give up.. i think i did a good job puting up with it :P! Anywho this gives me sometime to finally get back to that legendary progress that i started about 4 months ago..

really sad to read this, always liked to defend you when you were visiting us on our borders. but I also wish u good luck with rebuilding your community. Now with XT and the other bandwagoners gone, or at least those that tried to make RoS a bandwagon, i won alot more sympathie for you guys :P but u shouldnt have said your giving up, that would make Dzag and us fight each other more on our borders than on yours =/

No worries there, you guys still have been in our bl plenty and Dzag too! Not to forget our corner in EB.

Here a picture to commemorate.
http://i47.tinypic.com/2eed6pl.jpg
Don’t know what Dzag is doing in our corner when they’re losing their own.

You could come to RoS and EU server, you would be the night team and there wouldn’t be much zerging going on, especially not from our side since we don’t have a night team.
A lot of intense fights and more.
WARNING: Only for the brave hearted! If you give up quickly, don’t bother coming!

Oozo.7856:

Someone said that it is 25 total (from all sides) that will trigger the swords, but the old rule was just 5 from one team to draw swords.

Anyone know which it is for sure?

25 from one team or 25 total from all teams?

Before patch it was 6 people or more from ALL SERVERS in combat created Swords, Npc’s and gates don’t count, if a person on siege hits mobs or people he is also counted as in combat.
Now it is the same but with 26 people or more.

Camping our BL with a 50-60 man zerg when we barely even got 20 ? Really Dzag and UW ?
How about going to each other’s BL ? Or are you afraid of a bit of challenge ?

No worries, I painted Dzag Bay red yesterday, they were kitten me off coming to my bl all the time!
Oh and okaishi, that bag has Dawns in it, just saying.

XT and WIC moved, most of the others are still here for now.

Nice Mesmer Commander you got there BOOM…
http://i45.tinypic.com/15qawjk.jpg

he continued to be ressed twice by the people outside blatantly while we were watching him and then they all portaled inside, luckily we were able to kill them exploiters.

Let’s take this example :
High tier and 70 people in map, put 10-15 people as scouts, you have sitll 55-60 left, you can make 3 zerg of 25 or less or just make 1 big blob, and defending with them is not a problem if 70 enemies attack
Middle tier: 40 people in map: put 10 as scouts, 30 left for zerg , 40-50 people attack, still bearable
Lower tier: 20-25 people: put 10 as scouts, 15 left for zerg. now if 25-30 people attack, thos e15 people will relaly have to be strong to be able to kill the enemies

Now who do you think it will affect more and who will it affect less ?

insanemaniac.2456:

why was this post infracted.

Because I put ANet in title, apparently that’s not allowed.

That’s ok, the first time we took hills there were the same amount of people at lord :p

almost had it too
Then 1 guys DC’d and another died, and then we all wiped
Inner was 5 % too, oh well… i’ll come again!

siniaq.5628:

If u have small numbers in guild to make a scout person for a while – join a bigger guild, do some recruiting, transfer or simply go play and stop crying.

So you’re saying less people = screwed.

Exactly my point, thx for proving it.

Gaudrath.6725:

Ilesyt.7084:

Maybe I made myself not clear yet: NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE. is that clear yet ?

So if you got 10 people, how does that make you capable of doing anything but run away from enemy zergs? This change doesn’t concern you since you can’t do anything anyway, head on.

OR. You could all split up in teams of two-three, roam the map, take camps, spot trouble, regroup and attack.

And you could take your small group and use the new system to your advantage, since you can hit objectives now without being immediately zeroed on by larger forces.

If you have fewer people, this actually helps you. This change is beneficial for small groups and you complain about it, as if seeing those orange swords pop up when a zerg is attacking a tower will somehow help your 10-man group stop them.

This does NOT help us AT ALL, now the big group has the advantage of being covered, the defenders (in lower tier servers defenders are usually less because if we put people to defend there will be no one to attack) have to put in extra manpower and waste time to find out where the attack is happening and which one is false, they will have to waste time to first finding out the location and then gather. Meanwhile because swords don’t show up the attackers can kitten the gate allowing it to go down even faster.
Meanwhile if there were swords one would know where the fights are happening. and relocate the few forces we have to the proper location with less time waste.

Also the lower population already make use of Ninja tactics because they are lower population and have to use all they can, now the higher population get that just handed to them.

And if you think 10 people couldn’t defend a keep against 20+ people then you’re dead wrong…

Also SMC is huge! If a lower population server has and has to spend manpower on finding where they’re derping the gates they will be a step behind while if a higher pop server is defending they can put out scouts without losing too much manpower.

Steelo.4597:

Illesyt find the sarcasm in my post >.< except if you were being sarcastic too.. in this case: right! with the little flaw of beatuy that Xaoc indeed actually gave us skills in many respects, but surely not at communication.

i was just saying the guy is completely clueless, his opinion not worth a scratch and talking down to the lower tiers in terms of L2P marks him as outstanding in many ways, none of them positive.

Sorry about that, I missed the sarcasm part, continue then :p

Now let me take an example at what could happen at night:
We have 5-10 people tops in our bl at night. In comes UW zerg of 25-30. They can send 10 7 people to each tower and keep to contest it at the same time and still have enough people to kitten a keep/tower gate down + rams and not create any kind of sword. because we are so few, we can only guard our keeps and watch all of their gates and if they decide to take a tower, it will be too late. We would only know what tower they take when it turns a different colour, we wouldn’t be able to prepare and anticipate with enough time to know where they will be coming from, we would still have to keep 3 man per keep.
Now if there were swords, we would know exactly where they would be, and if they decided to ninja it would give us more time to prepare before the gate would be down because derping the gate makes them go down faster. It would give us time to check all keep gates and then check the towers and then go back in time to prepare.
If we had swords, we could just keep 1 guy at the other keeps and have the rest go to where they would go most likely.

Maybe I made myself not clear yet: NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE. is that clear yet ?

You’re in a higher tier where you have the people to put in towers and still have enough people.
During the day this is an absolute hell. And during the night where we have about 5-10 people tops defending this is even worse!

This is a totally ridiculous change.
In higher tiers you maybe able to do something because you have a lot of people but you’re pretty much screwing up the low population servers!
On veloka we had around 40 people just derping(enemy + ours) around and swords would just blink once in a while.
This change takes a lot of possibility and strategy. Now who needs to listen to commanders ? just kitten the gate, it will go down faster! The more you have the merrier! If you send a scout to check it out, he will probably be too late! It’s a ninja for everyone, even the derps!
There’s 40 people at Ogrewatch, why should you know ? Just run in there and bam you’re dead!
There’s an enemy zerg fighting at a certain location, now how should you know where to position yourself if you want to flank them ?

Sure you could “send scouts” but the lower population servers don’t have that leisure.

I do understand if you made it where 10 people would create fightmarkers and not 5, but by making it 25 you made the fightmarkers pretty much non-existant in the lower tiers!