Guild Wars 2

I actually just typed out kitten in the place of whatever word might go there.

You can use it as an ad-lib if you want. Fill in each “kitten” with a word from your imagination.

There’s no actual cursing in the post. Just “kitten” placed where one would be. =p

I know about that.

But as far as we know NOW, there’s 5. Maybe one of the six was killed. I dunno.

This filter is literally the best thing ever introduced to a forum ever.

Go kittens!

I kitten swear whoever came up with this kitten filter was a kitten genius. I can’t kitten tell you how many kitten times I’ve come to the kitten forums and read all these kitten posts where these kitten people post kitten, and half their kitten message gets kitten lost behind kitten kitten kitten.

All kitten joking aside, this is the best kitten idea anyone’s kitten had.

Whoever kitten designed/thought/implemented it?

I wanna kitten them a kitten hug.

Acaelus Thorne.3862:

Safari.3021:

you’re all wrong, The dragons are the Gods mortal forms, thats why tyria hasn’t heard from them since the dragons reappeared 6 dragons, 6 gods. coincidence?

You are wrong and i will tell you why. to began this firstly the once who are the human God are called travellers of the mist. and they are Dwayna, Balthazar, Melandru, Lyssa and Abaddon. Abaddon is dead so we will take him out. Grenth is half human and he is the son of Dwayna and a Human. Kormir is the only Goddess who was full human. the Dragons where on Tyria long before the Travellers arrival on Tyria.

I never actually did that part of GW1. But my point was that Grenth was angry that Zhaitan stole from him. Why would one of the dragons be able to steal from a god if the god was a dragon?

Aside from that, the gods clearly think and reason and plan and all that.

The Dragons don’t. That enough to is discredit the Dragons = gods theory.

Angelus.1042:

Illushia.3721:

moonslightv.6704:

Are you the lore police or something Illushia?

No. I just don’t like things that don’t make sense.

Your discussing Lore in a game…Much isnt gonna make sense…..

You can make sense of most things in a game’s lore. That’s why the lore works, and doesn’t feel disjointed and confusing.

moonslightv.6704:

Are you the lore police or something Illushia?

No. I just don’t like things that don’t make sense.

Safari.3021:

you’re all wrong, The dragons are the Gods mortal forms, thats why tyria hasn’t heard from them since the dragons reappeared 6 dragons, 6 gods. coincidence?

5 Dragons. Jormag, Primordius, Zhaitan, Kralkatorrik, unnamed seadragon.

Humans still got responses from the 6 Gods until recently, when they finally went all but silent.

Grenth speaks through an Avatar, talking about how he wants back a follower/Priest/something stolen by Zhaitan.

You can’t steal from yourself. Try again.

I don’t know how many times i got invalidate this but JUST cause they are revealed to be of dragons spawn would not make them a agent of the bad guys and would not instantly dub them evil or wreck the game yadda yadda.

You weren’t paying attention to what I was disputing. I was talking to the guy suggesting the Pale Tree be a Champion of the Elder Dragons.

The Pale tree is simply a guardian/medium for sylvary to talk to the Real Tree and nothing more(like a human manifestation of the tree) they are not nature and there’s more then one tree stated there’s 4 known trees 3 are grown 1 is growing and a 5th Cave that contains the seeds them self and possibly even a small group of cave guardians.

The Pale Tree IS the ‘Real Tree’. The Pale Tree manifests herself as a Sylvari to talk to the other Sylvari. There’s no inbetween there.

I only know of one other Tree stated to have Sylvari growing from it.

It is Fact they cant be corrupted by a dragons touch(a trait only unique to dragons minions) the Nightmare is a form of self corruption from hatred,pain,etc(think jedi and sith starwars stuff).

It’s a uniquely Sylvari trait. Maybe the other Dragon’s minions aren’t worth turning, so they don’t. Maybe they’re so altered that corruption isn’t possible. They aren’t immune to it, otherwise they wouldn’t have turned in the first place.

And the Nightmare isn’t a form of self-corruption. It’s a force that actually exists. The Nightmare Court give themselves over to it and champion it.

There’s no facts supporting either theory, but the one you quoted makes more sense than the Pale Tree being a ‘purified’ champion or some nonsense. If the Ventari tablet had purified her then why are the other Sylvari(Who didn’t have a tablet) just like the other Sylvari?

There’s no answer for that. Ventari’s Tablet didn’t have anything to do with it.

The Asura originally thought the Sylvari were just a new sort of plantlife, and snapped them up for study. When they realized that the Sylvari were a new type of sentient life, they immediately released them and apologized.

The Inquest, however, didn’t. My opinion is that the leafy part of the Eternity Coil or whatever is just a station where they were continuing their studies/dissection of captured Sylvari.

An Asura stated that Sylvari/the Pale Tree have a similar magical signature to the Elder Dragons.

And bam conspiracy theory.

Alessia.7864:

So all humans have is what amounts to sheer feral desperation to make up for their crushing inferiority in every area. They should be the best at at least -one- thing.

There’s nothing glorious about being the least fit species in every measurable term and winning because your special trait is rigging natural selection on a quantum level.

Humans are, and always have been, average. They reproduce quickly, they learn quickly, and they act quickly.

They’re not the tallest or the strongest or the smartest. But they’re not the shortest or the weakest or the dumbest.

They’re right smack dab in the middle, which is where they usually are. Humans survive because they -don’t- stand out. They’re the jack-of-all-trades race. They can do anything anyone else can do, and often they can innovate where they can’t invent.

They have a unique perspective on the world around them that no one else has. They can see solutions where no one else can because they’re determined to succeed. It ties back to what I said before. They never quit. They never give up.

That drive to succeed is what sets Humans apart. They prevail where others fail.

Humans have something called “The Human Spirit”. It’s actually been used as a racial in some games.

Essentially: The worst their situation is, the more dire their predicament becomes, the closer they get to extinction, the harder they fight.

Humans will fight harder and harder for each one of them who falls. They will rally again and again against impossible odds and defeat anything that can be thrown their way.

Humanity can survive being pushed to the brink and recover again and again.

This resiliency, this drive to survive, this ability to come back from next to nothing, is the reason that Humanity can stand toe-to-toe with the likes of the Charr, the Asura, and the Norn.

Humanity exemplifies the saying “Don’t discount an animal backed into a corner”.

The harder you push, the harder they push back. They don’t break, they don’t quit, and they don’t give up.

Liraz.8062:

If we accept part of it as game mechanics, then why not the whole thing, though? Where’s the line between what’s convenience and what’s lore-based? This is why we need clarification on how waypoints work so we can make informed and logical arguments about the effects of waypoints on the world and how our characters use them in roleplay.

The whole thing isn’t game mechanics because Waypoints are referenced ingame, in universe, and used for troop movements and things. So we know at least that part of them exists inuniverse.

What we don’t know is to what extent do they work, and how.

I like his character.

It could really be anything. Dragons is just one of the possibilities.

I think they plan to, as the Sylvari you meet says they’re going back to their tree to report the news, start making sure they can defend it, and begin talks about helping the Pale Tree and the other Sylvari with the dragons.

The Nightmare Court was started by a secondborn Sylvari after another Sylvari was killed, and he grew jealous of the Firstborn and their connection with the Pale Tree.

Sylvari are absolutely immune to corruption by the Dragons. Where other races can be weakened and corrupted, Sylvari simply die.

Reevac.1748:

What says the Pale tree has to be the first one. As stated there is a lot of area not discovered or that has yet to be discovered.

Who says there aren’t Sylvari on different continents. Perhaps there are many pale trees there just seems to be one on Tyria (tho story says there are 2 possibly even more).

What if the Pale Tree is Mother Nature herself or all the good in the world and her offspring are destined to slay the Dragons and rid the world of evil?

I mean we can throw theory after theory but I’d personally rather wait for more expansion and find out that way.

If she’s not the first one, then the first one would have grown before even the Pale Tree, which is even farther before the Elder Dragons became active again.

There may be Sylvari on other continents. But we only know of 2 Trees at the moment.

If the Pale Tree were “Mother Nature itself” there very likely wouldn’t be two of them, especially if they don’t know each other.

=3

That’s why I’m arguing against this theory. It’s just… silly.

There is a melee attack in there too, but it’s mostly like a hybrid caster/melee sword.

Reevac.1748:

I don’t think he’s bad. I dislike Logan way more.

I had to do a dungeon with Logan last night and it seems like all he does is “JENNA JENNA JENNA JENNA” or whatever her name is.

The Treesong Calling
Recruitment Status: OPEN | Region: US | Apply Here: Guild Website
Home World: Tarnished Coast
Guild Type: Casual
Guild Focus: Roleplaying
Age Requirement: Be Mature/none(yet)
About Us:

The Calling is something that not every Sylvari hears… but when they do, they recognize it. It’s like a faint melody of a song that buzzes around behind your ears, ever out of reach, just enough to entice but not enough for you to recognize.

For these Sylvari, this Calling often manifests as the harmony of a song, hauntingly beautiful, but enticing in it’s obscurity, luring them back to the twilight under the boughs of the Pale Tree, and into the welcoming fold of those who have also heard The Treesong Calling.

These Sylvari, those Called, have found a purpose in the world of Tyria, often complementary or aligned with their own goal: The goal of sharing knowledge, experience, and guidance with each other, the Pale Tree, and those Sylvari still dreaming, waiting to awaken and bloom into the world, full of their own curiosity, hunger for knowledge, and specialty that makes them unique.

The Treesong Calling is a group of Sylvari held together by this common thread, this common purpose, even though the members within it may be disparate or many-faceted. The Calling accepts anyone who has heard the Song, and who has followed it willingly to the Tree to share their knowledge.

Many who have heard the calling don’t recognize they’re being guided back to the Tree until they’re already there, mesmerized by it’s beauty, or the lyrics and refrains calling just out of hearing.

However, once they arrive, they find the other members Called waiting for them with open arms, ready and willing to count them among their number, so that each member can add their own notes to the ever growing harmony that personifies The Treesong Calling.

OoC-

The Treesong Calling is an RP guild dedicated to Sylvari RP keeping in line with the themes and ideals established by the main Sylvari storyline, the Pale Tree, and Ventari’s Tablet. Our main RP hub would be the Grove, on the bottom level near the roots of the Tree herself, where the Calling seems to be strongest.

Our In-Character goal is the protection of the Pale Tree and Sylvari lands, furthering the goals of the Sylvari people, protecting the Dream and Dreamers from the corruption of the Nightmare by the addition of our own positive experiences, knowledge, and collective wisdom provided by our characters.

Our Out of Character goal is to provide a haven and hub for RP in the Grove itself for Sylvari of all types, those in guild or out. We also wish to provide a friendly atmosphere for Roleplaying and developing In-character, and out of character, relationships and storylines for the Roleplaying Community.

All types of Sylvari are welcome to roleplay and join the guild, the common thread binding the guild together is the Calling that all members feel. It is stronger or weaker depending on character, and can grow or weaken over time to allow for changing character personalities, outlooks, storylines, and developments.

If you’re interested please apply to the forums and we will get you in the guild!

Thanks!

I actually really like Trahearne, but I am apparently in the minority and that’s fine.

Home World: Tarnished Coast
Guild Name: The Treesong Calling
Guild Website: treesongcalling.com
In-Game Contact: Illushia or Papai Gyongyi
Focus: Roleplaying!
Quick Notes: Sylvari-only Roleplay guild.

Erushii.5208:

Doesn’t he summon minions? I remember noticing he was a necro even before anything has been said about it

Before he gets Caladbolg there’s quite a few times that he summons minions. And he does it afterward at least once that I know of.

When you need some ‘backup’ getting out of a cave, he summons about 9 Flesh Golems at once.

Reevac.1748:

He is classified as a necro. I don’t think I have ever seen him do a Single necro skill. Correct me if I’m wrong though.

He uses his necro skills most of the time.

Until he gets Caladbolg, that is. And that weapon takes precedence over his own skills because presumably it’s so strong.

Still doesn’t stop him from faceplanting a lot in the personal story though.

Reevac.1748:

Doesn’t the Pale tree say the only weapon she has ever made was Caladbolg? And it took a lot of energy to make.

In that sense I don’t think Sylvari weapons come from the pale tree. I could be wrong though. They could be made from dead branches maybe?

I covered this if you read up. =p

Denis.5019:

Another interesting question regarding Waypoints is what is the mechanics behind our death and ability to “respawn” at any of them and not just anywhere?

It could be that they act as a sort of portable defibrillator station. Or that aspect of their function could just be game mechanics at work. I dunno.

Zhaitan is made up of several undead dragons, why can’t the sixth dragon be made up of several trees or seeds? The most likely scenario for the sylvari, should they have any link at all, would be for the Pale Tree to be a champion of the sixth dragons that has been turned by the teachings of Ventari. That fits it with ArenaNet’s desire to make them the cliche knightly/noble race while also explaining their immunity as well as having the cool plot twist. It’s also possible the sylvari are scouts, gathering information on Tyria before the sixth dragon fully awakens. The “dream” is a really good way to build up knowledge for a war you’re about to wage. Maybe the Inquest are just researching sylvari immunity to dragon corruption in a research station researching the dragons? There is a deliberate link between the sylvari the the dragons via their immunity, that is something that ArenaNet has done for a reason. Personally I think the theory shows more forethought than most of the lore we’ve been getting. GW1 essentially summed up to “Abbadon did it!” and Glint was retconned as a dragon champion (let’s not forget she has a baby somewhere in the world, leaving the game open for the idea that offspring of a champion do not necessarily work for that champion’s dragon).

Sure. The dragon could be seeds and trees and whatever else. It could also be a bunch of bushes all fused together by roots. We don’t know. That doesn’t help either side of the ‘argument’ any.

Except that’s not very likely at all, because the Pale Tree was grown independently of the Dragons, and at a time that the Dragons weren’t active.

All of the Dragons’ lieutenants(Other than Glint) came after the dragons. Not before, like the Pale Tree did.

How does making the Pale Tree into a sixth dragon’s champion have anything to do with the Sylvari being the “Cliche Knight/noble race”, when they really aren’t. Being chivalrous in relationships and personal honor doesn’t turn your race into the “cliche knight/noble” race, especially when there’s much much more to being a knight or a noble than chivalry.

I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this. ANet making a playable race an agent of the bad guys is not a good idea, will never be a good idea, and would only wreck the game and it’s balance if it ever comes to pass. A game company is not going to shoot itself in the foot like that.

I do think it’s weird, of all the races in Tyria, the sylvari seem to be the least like all the others. For the most part, all other races seem to work similair to humans, born and raised normally over a period of time, learn everything on their own, equally threatened by dragon corruption. The sylvari, in many ways, have more in common with dragon minions than they do with the other races of Tyria.

Oh yes. Sentient plants that were born from a tree, learn through a dream, are empathetically connected to each other, hate the dragons, and are immune to anything the dragons try to do to them, are incredibly like the Elder Dragons’ minions.

That makes a whole lot of sense.

Not all dragon minions are corrupted. The minions of Primordus are the destroyers, and for all we know they are birthed in a simlair way to the sylvari. A quick note, the sylvari seed was planted around the same time that the Great Destroyer – a champion of Primordus – began to threaten Tyria. It was also around the same time that Primordus himself began to wake (at the end of Eye of the North). I believe there is also some kind of shared memory or mental link between many of the dragon minions, that’s also similair to the sylvari and the dream/nightmare.

But you can’t base an argument on something you assume. “Well we don’t know how the Destroyers are made, so then they’re probably made like Sylvari, so the Dragons are alike in this way.”

… What? It doesn’t work like that.

Also, Primordius may have ‘begun to awaken’ but had hadn’t yet. He was maybe stirring a little. It also seems like he’d be the dragon with the least interest in the Sylvari, as he’s still battling the Dwarves.

So yes, this is an assumption too, but he very likely hasn’t had anything to do with the surface world other than intermittent minion attacks.

And no, from what we know, the only minions who have mental links with the Elder Dragons are very important ones.

And no one else has empathy like the Sylvari do, that we currently know of.

To say the Pale Tree isn’t changing the land it’s the sylvari seems to be splitting hairs. The sylvari are the fruits of the Pale Tree, an extension of it. The sylvari influenced by the tablet (foreign to the Pale Tree or the source of the seeds) are acting with the ideals of the tablet, but we’ve seen examples of sylvari who aren’t influenced by the tablet and turn away from it’s teaching in the form of the Nightmare court. Look at the plants in their part of the world and even what they do to fern hounds and jungle spiders, I’d call that a form of corruption, not dissimilar to the dragons (to my knowledge we haven’t seen how Primordus might corrupt things despite him being the first dragon to awaken so it’s easily possible that not all dragons corrupt, at least not in the same way).

It’s not splitting hairs. The Sylvari act independently of the Pale Tree 99% of the time. They’re not an extension of the Pale Tree. They come from her, they’re born from her, that’s it.

That’s like saying I’m an extension of my parents even though I live several hundred miles away and never speak to them.

The Sylvari NOT from the Pale Tree(Or the ones from another Pale Tree, however you want to phrase it) fall somewhere along the line of Ventari’s tablet anyway, so I’m starting to think that Ventari’s tablet lining up with them is mostly coincidence, and only ended up giving the Sylvari a codified way of thinking that was already in line with their own natural disposition.

The plants in that part of the jungle are grown by the Sylvari and have nothing to do with the Pale Tree in the slightest. If anything we should be arguing that the Sylvari are evil dragon minions and the Pale Tree is fighting to keep them under control by guiding them to be good instead of rampaging across Tyria because they’re so obviously evil.

Fern Hounds are created much like the Sylvari. They’re plants. They’re not animals. So they aren’t corrupted anything. They’re born that way.

And that argument could maybe make sense if ANet hadn’t said that all dragons corrupt. So yes, all dragons corrupt things.

In RP I got called an “Empty-headed potted plant”.

So many amusing insults are possible.

So it’s pretty safe to conclude from that that the “true nature” and motives of the Pale Tree and the Sylvari, void Ventari’s influence, would have been pretty much like any other type of life: live, grow, reproduce, and find what small pleasures you can while you’re here.
But then, what of the similarities between the Pale Tree and the Elder Dragons, or at least the supposed similarities that the Inquest were researching? (copy/paste from my other post TheKow linked)
It is not currently known if the dragons’ power itself comes from the dragons or whether they are feeders on something else still.

I just want to add, though it’s secondhand as I haven’t done the quest myself(yet!) that the player character either explains or can explain some part of Ventari’s teachings and he finds it to be acceptable or fairly parallel to his own(I’m not sure which, but the reaction is positive).

That would be a good thing to add. Books usually do a good job of it.

Books that you can pick up and take with you(Especially if they don’t take up inventory/bank space!) are even better.

Fact checks on the fly ftw.

evilbottom.2186:

Are the T1 weapons bugged? They are really simple Asura drops, nothing to do with the Sylvari.

Also, I got my Staff and Trident, with T2 skins, as a drop. While I’m obviously happy with them, should cultural rewards really also be drops?

As for T3, I like them, I can certainly see where they were going with them, I’m just not sure at the moment whether I prefer them to the stuff I have.

T1 weapons aren’t bugged. They’re Asura skins.

warhound.9304:

I am not gaining skill points as I level after 80.. the bar keeps rolling over, but no new skill points are added. Do you have to do something special to get them?

You get one when the bar rolls over.

It’s automatic.

You can open the wiki up ingame if you type /wiki, then search up somewhere

It seems the issue is fixed.

I had this problem yesterday but I’m not seeing it now.

This rose has thorns… And here they are!

Happens when you get retaliation.

I think it’s something that you have to have at least -some- aptitude to learn(Since the Bloodstones have limited magic, and you can only know/use one type now).

I still think you’re reading too much into the Dragon’s goals.

ANet stated the Elder Dragon’s goals are basically “Convert everything into more of my minions, eat magic, kill everything else”.

That theory’s in line with their goals but don’t turn them into masterminds or imagine they’re plotting or something. As far as we know, they aren’t and don’t.

The only one that even started planning anything was Zhaitan and that was only when he was directly threatened.

TheKow.7604:

No one knows the age of the seeds or the dragons and this is turning more into who has read all the current lore and who has not and who disagrees with that current lore if they have or have not even read it…

We don’t need to know the ages of the seeds and the dragons, because we know when certain events happened.

The seeds existed during a time period the dragons were inactive and sleeping, and not affecting the world of Tyria at all, at least above ground. (I’m not clear when the Dwarves started fighting Primordius.)

The seeds were planted long before the Dragons became active.

The Pale Tree was already blooming and growing by the time the Dragons awakened and started enforcing changes on the world.

Therefore by that chain of thought, the can’t have had anything to do with the Pale Tree of her development, other than possibly being the catalyst for the Sylvari being born, in that they need to protect her or the other trees.

Jenosavel.1756:

Therefore it is totally possible that the Sylvari and the Pale tree are tapping into and/or manifesting from deep power currents of Tyria itself, power currents which the dragons are merely borrowing and twisting for their own purposes. It would be these underlying power currents which the Pale Tree can tap into in the form of the Dream. The Dream is not from her, she merely taps in and tends it as best she can.

In that case, rather than the Sylvari coming from Elder Dragons, the Elder Dragons could be seen as coming from the source of the Dream. As they attempt to twist it to their own purposes, the Pale Tree attempts to preserve it.

This also ties in nicely with the human gods themselves, since they also could have merely been beings who previously tapped into these same underlying power-currents. As the Dragons rose and began exerting their influence others who were previously using this power have waned.

/end sylvari durmand priory mode

I actually like this. It makes a lot more sense and fits together timelinewise, as well as with what we currently know about the Dream/Tree/Sylvari/Dragons better than anything else.

I really, really, really dislike Dredge. A lot.

But the first scout you talk to in Shaemoor says this:
“This is a waypoint. Waypoints appear on your compass, which is in the lower-right corner of your screen. You can also see them on the world map, which you can access by pressing “M.” Press “M” again to close the world map. To teleport to a waypoint, open your world map and click on the waypoint to which you want to travel."

The Human zones were done before the other zones were, which means it’s likely that ANet decided to make them in-universe after the Human zone had been completed, and simply hasn’t gone back to fix the dialogue yet.

There’s more than a few quests in later zones that treat Waypoints extremely in-universe and even as being vital to troop movements in the area.

They’re probably just not as ubiquitous/easy to use as they are for us, as they are in-universe. But they -do- exist, and they -are- used.

This is silly for one the is plenty of supporting Lore that the spawn and or dragons control can be broken as Glint was a prime example also even if the Sylvari where made from a Elder dragon there would be no reason behind fighting them as they are not controlled by one and have free spirit and the Pale tree has nothing to do with this as there’s more then one group of sylvari each with very different from the last (no plae tree no dream no etc).

Glint needed outside help to break free, s/he didn’t do it on their own.

The Sylvari not connected to the Grove/Dream/Ventari’s tablet actually held ideals very close to those on their own, independant from Ventari’s tablet. So maybe Ventari’s tablet having ideals like theirs is coincidence. Maybe there’s something else connecting the Trees. We don’t know.

As stated in more then one transcript and Lore has stated this as well based of Guild Wars beliefs/science a Dragons spawn can easily be born free from the dragons will or become freed and turn against the Dragon who created them/it as proven with Glint and work done by Snaff and even the forgotten.

It was not ‘easy’ and Glint needed outside help to break free. None of the dragon’s spawn are ‘born’ or created free. They broke free later.

Witch as the creation of the Seeds within said Cave no one knows anything about its very very easy to fallow this theory(witch is stated even more so in-game by NPC) making it almost fact(think about the 99.9% likely hood that tengu will be in upcoming chapter)

Tengu are about as likely at this point as Quaggan, Kodan, Hylek, or Skritt are for being a playable race. We actually see LESS Tengu ingame than we do any of those races, meaning they’d be harder to fit in as a playable race.

This theory is nonsense with almost no evidence at all to back it up, but apparently endless speculation that goes nowhere.

TL:DR Sylvari was created by a elder dragon but was broken free from the dragons will be for they could form(possibly by Ventari’s Tablet)or other unknown source and scattering there seeds from within a cave(more then one Sylvari city is known atm 4 are known 1.Tarnished coast(player sylvari) 2. Magus Falls 3.Maguum waste 4.Magical cave and guardians of said cave(unknown location)Thus have cant not be effected by the Dragons touch but retain vast knowledge of the land(again by humans and Ventari’s Tablet)and even passably by the Elder Dragon who created them itself(think of it like Pandora’s box,they want to find there origin as much as the Inquest does).

There’s so much wrong in this.

1) Stop stating speculation as fact.
2) We -know- of TWO Sylvari cities. In total. You are again presenting speculation as fact when by definition speculation is not and cannot be fact.
3) The other Sylvari city has never heard of Ventari or the Tablet or the Dream, and yet still holds similar ideals to the Sylvari of the Grove, implying that they hold these sorts of ideals baseline.
4) Stating speculation as fact again.

For tho’s who hate the dragon theory so much,Fact 1.they where created by magic extremely close to that of a Elder dragon by what when and how is unknown but both Asura and Inquest beleave it to be by a Elder dragon itself stated by Illushia.3721 they do jump to conclusions a lot,but they do share the same magic(even if it was purified by the tablet or other source, thus masking it from the pure elder drgaons magic) Fact 2. There is more then one Sylvari Culture and Pale trees/cities The Dream and Nightmare and Current Pale tree have nothing to do with the theory’s as there not shared by other Sylvari(the magic they com form is shared)

1) The magic is stated to be ‘similar’, not extremely close.
2) The theory about them coming from a Dragon is an ingame theory with less ‘facts’ behind it than this nonsense has.
3) The tablet couldn’t have purified anything. It’s not magical. It’s words on a piece of mundane stone.
4) The other Sylvari culture we know of(Which is only one at this point) doesn’t have a Pale Tree or a Dream or anything.

Note*As the seeds where created first and the cave is still hidden its all likely they where made from a elder dragon but backfired/purified from unknown source be for being planted(again supporting the dragon theory as its one of the only supported theory’s In-game)

You seem to forget that the seeds that the Pale Tree was found among existed long before the Elder Dragons awoke to threaten Tyria. This alone is more evidence that they have nothing to do with the Dragons than this entire theory about them coming FROM dragons has.

The Nightmare Court isn’t controlled by any dragons, and Sylvari are almost 100% resistant to corruption, this is mentioned several times at the end of the Personal Story. Instead, the Nightmare Court has just thrown off the shackles of Ventari’s Teachings/cut themselves off from the Dream, implying Sylvari at base are actually quite aggressive/violent/psychopathic. The Soundless and Malyck also show these qualities, if you sit around the Soundless Isle long enough, you’ll hear them mention they need to rely on Ventari’s Teachings more, and all of Malycks cutscenes show him to be a very killhappy man.

They’re resistant to DRAGON corruption. They can be poisoned(A type of corruption), burned(Which can be said to be a type of corruption), or corrupted by the Nightmare.

The Sylvari at base are peaceful, nature-loving creatures. The Nightmare is a force of corruption that’s seeking to grow itself from the relatively small footprint that it had before.

If the Sylvari are at base violent/psychopathic/whatever, then the vast majority of them would be Nightmare Court and a small number would be following the Pale Tree. Not the other way around. That’s what ‘at base’ means.

The Nightmare Court has -not- cut themselves off from the Dream. In fact, they want to change it from what it is now- a peaceful, rest-ful, relaxing place, to form it in THEIR image. They even admit that they want to change it from what it is -supposed- to be, to better fit in with what they think it should be.

Soundless want to live by the Ventari’s Teachings. They just want to be alone in their heads, rather than connected empathetically to everyone around them. They don’t like feeling each other’s sadness/anger/etc. Which, by the way, the empathy is a uniquely Sylvari trait. It doesn’t show up in any other races, dragon-corrupted or otherwise.

Also, remember, ANet has said repetedly that the Elder Dragons don’t really have any plan, they are just forces of nature. Fire is a force of nature, as is death, ice, water, and sandstorms/desert. But so is life and growth. The idea of a 6th Dragon that’s not evil isn’t out of the question. The dragons could be part of a cycle, clear the world of life, then the 6th comes out and rebuilds everything, and this time thanks to Ronan/Ventari it’s actually fighting the other dragons due to the teachings it gave them.

They have not said they -are- forces of nature. I don’t know how many times I have to explain this. They said they’re like forces of nature inasmuch as they don’t have a plan, they just destroy things, eat things, and then leave the world to pick up the mess afterward. They’re barely sentient. They’re little more than very powerful animals with some sort of vague idea of “Everything else bad, more of me good, make more of me”.

You’re implying the Pale Tree is a dragon, or works for a dragon, despite nearly all the evidence we have about the Pale Tree and the Sylvari pointing very clearly otherwise.

I don’t think the Pale Tree is a dragon however. As she says, she can’t control the Dream, she just interprets it, and functions as the mother to the Sylvari. I’m guessing the 6th Dragon is the Dream, or lives within the Dream.

Or the Dream could be… I dunno, some kind of collective Dream for the Sylvari since they all come from the same place?

It may just be a facet of the Gods. Or the Mists. Or… randomly coalesced magic.

That’s the problem with throwing around these theories. You’re grasping for straws when there aren’t any, and trying to pull things out of thin air.

I could sit here and make a million theories with as little backing as we have for this nonsense.

First off, yes, the Crucible has 6 “sides”, one of which is Plant. This confirms the 6th Dragon is related to plantlife.

This ‘confirms’ nothing. There is nothing there that confirms anything. It shows Inquest experiments that may or may not relate to the Dragons. I think people are reading far too much into this.

The seed Ronan found was in a cave with many other seeds. It’s very likely those seeds could be the actual Dragon, Champions, or any number of other things. It was heavily guarded though, and being led by Ventari’s teachings/Ronans desire for Peace was not part of the original plan at all.

Or they could all be seeds. You know, like plants. And what plan? We know nothing of any plan anyone had for anything.

They planted a seed. That’s what you do with seeds. You plant them. Ventari left the tablet there so someone could find it and use it. The Pale Tree finding the tablet is about the only thing that went along with any ‘plan’ and even that wasn’t what Ventari intended for it.

All the Elder Dragons corrupt the land to their image. Go to Brisbain/Caledon/Asuran Starter Zone, it’s full of new plantlife in the image of the Grove. The Grove itself is a self grown city entirely built by the Pale Tree. There are mentions that within the next few years the Pale Tree will create life in the desert regions of Maguuma as well. It is in fact “corrupting” the land, just corrupting it with life.

It looks just like plants, to me. The only things that are different are the Sylvari buildings- which are grown by the Sylvari. Not the Pale Tree. The Grove? Grown by the Sylvari. Not the Pale Tree. They even have Sylvari called ‘Shapers’ whose whole purpose is to grow and design buildings in order to fufill needs and purposes that are not currently being met. The Pale Tree has nothing to do with any of that, and the Sylvari themselves have everything to do with it.

The SYLVARI, not the Pale Tree, are the ones spreading and in your words ‘corrupting’ the land around them. The Pale Tree is not doing any of this.

The Sylvari are birthed and connected by a psychic link. They are given “Wyld Hunts” by the Dream. Almost all the other corrupted races are also birthed off the dead of other races, and are connected psychically, and given quests by the Elder Dragon themselves.

The Sylvari are grown from plants. They are not ‘corrupted’ dead. In fact, the only corrupted dead are the Risen. Branded are not dead. They’re just changed.

And in fact, most Dragon minions are not connected psychically. Only the most powerful ones are, like lieutenants or ones with very special/important minions that the Dragon may have a vested interest in.

In fact, most of the Branded seem to be doing pretty much what they were doing before, with no interference from Kralkatorrik at all, with the only difference being they treat EVERYTHING as an enemy rather than certain things.

Swords have to be up close, and are traditionally used with different moves that ‘chain’ into each other.

Bows shoot things.

The 1 skill of bows is just a shot because it’s… they’re bows. It’s a shot. Nothing special about it.

Ravious.4269:

One thing I haven’t seen or skimmed over too quickly… not all sylvari come from the Pale Tree. (See “Where Life Goes” personal story sylvari 11-20 arc.)

If anything, I believe there might be a dragon tied to the cave from which all those seeds, one of which created the Pale Tree, was located. That would make more sense than the Pale Tree = dragon, at least to me.

Or they could just be seeds. /shrug

But we have gone over… or at least it’s been mentioned, that not everyone comes from the same tree. We don’t know how many trees there are or might be though.

Red Jay.2516:

Does anyone else find the idea of female sylvari spreading pollen kinda disturbing?

Technically, pollen is plant equivalent of sperm.

In reality most plants in our world are hermaphroditic. In that they have sexual characteristics from both genders. So if Sylvari females have pollen…

Food for thought, I guess.

Edit: Also to add to what was said above, for Sylvari gender essentially only affects outward appearance. It has little to nothing to do with who they actually are, how they act, or who they… do.

While it’s true that apparently only Caithe has had a Dream of defeating a dragon, the Sylvari widely accept that their purpose as a race is to defeat the Elder Dragons as a whole. The timing of their awakening and the fact that they’re immune to Dragon corruption seem to cement this in their minds.

Not every Sylvari is called to fight, though. Some are just menders or tradesmen.

The Soundless didn’t feel at home with others in their minds, or sharing the empathy that normal Sylvari do with each other, so they left to be alone to life on a little island in Caledon Forest. But they’re a far, far minority.

MotionBlue.9687:

Sylvari cannot be corrupted by the Dragons, they simply die and rot away if they’re infected by it. That doesn’t sound like something an Elder dragon would want in his minions, I do suspect Sylvari emergence is linked to the Dragons. I like the idea of Tyria creating natural defenders, and hope they don’t deviate from that.

This would be my ‘pet’ theory if I had one.

The timing seems convenient enough for this to be the case. The right people(Pale Tree) in the right place(Ventari’s Tablet, seed being planted in a safe place, etc), at the right time(Dragons rising) creating something beautiful~ in the form of the Sylvari.

Perfectly formed to combat the dragons and growing by the day.