Guild Wars 2

Good luck with the recruitment.

SoR still needs a lot of oceanic to match BG!

RISE puts up 40-50+ players
BT puts up 35-45 players
KNT puts up 30-40+ players
ICOA puts up 35-45 players
GoF puts up 40-50+ players
PRO puts out 15-25 players
RUIN puts out 15-20 players
RIOT puts out 5-10 players

As far as NA guilds go, BG is probably more stacked than SoR.

As someone who plays on SoR, if indeed your alliance is this large, I do not think it is a good idea for you to transfer to our server.

Right now the tier balance is very fragile.

If you are looking to transfer as an alliance, JQ is the only server that would make the most sense.

It’s safe to say BG needs nothing, when they actually come out and play they pretty much outnumber everyone.

SoR only needs 2 small Oceanic guilds/1 medium guild or 2 small AZ guilds/1 med AZ guild.

JQ needs 2 NA guilds(med/large), 2 OC guilds(med/large).

It’s ok, BG is already working on 2 OC guilds and 1 AZ guild to transfer to their server.

BG’s strategy to win: “Recruit More”

Are you reading the same BG posts that the rest of us are?

You do realize that EB is really “pug-land” for all 3 servers.

Doubt there is some grand conspiracy. Now if you saw that in all 4 BLs at the same time instead of just EB I might say there’s something up.

You guys should just stop whining, even if there was some grand 2v1 plot before, with all the QQing, you’re just asking for people to bring out more tears.

Honestly, the result from tonight probably would have been the result regardless of what server TW was on with the exception of JQ BL, where they held both hills and garri.

But that’s at most 25-35ppt. Bg was having huge issues in all the BLs quite frankly.

DeadlySynz.3471:

Im kind of on the fence who i’d like to face next week.

On one hand, I like SoR because (I don’t mean any offence by this), but SoR is very easy to kill; and because there are so many of them it’s basically a lootbag fest. You eventually get overrun by sheer numbers so there is room to learn better strategies to deal with overwhelming numbers.

Our old T2 opponents provide more competitive battles and the fights are generally more even; but the flip side is, there is not as much loot. Numbers hurt them as well as they don’t have the coverage.

I’m curious as to what BG and JQ can bring. Don’t really care about the points, but I’m curious to see how other servers fair in straight on battles.

Anyone who believes they faced a full force SoR is delusional. But by all means, please continue to underestimate your enemy.

Maybe now that HB is back in full force they will stop whining about Euro.

BG now has HB and RK, their server now has the most Euro of any NA server.

They got a SEA guild from KN, XF or whatever. And now with HB making a comeback, they will have just as much EURO if not more EURO than SoR. BT and VK also finished transferring over.

It’s anyone’s game, BG definitely has the population edge over anyone else though.

I don’t think anyone on SoR’s assumes anything, BG will be a great fight I’m sure and with all their new transfers, it’s anyone’s fight.

As for glicko and position, no one on SoR cares what rank we are, we just love good fights and tbh we perform better when we are the underdog. I think it’s fair to say most Rallians love the grind to fight against odds more than anything else.

Pretty sure no one has a problem with TC. Everyone in SoR has said they really enjoy fighting TC and it’s been a blast.

TC is definitely an up and coming server. Everyone recognizes that and SoR is your biggest cheerleader.

SoR is missing 1 guild completely that we know of, and 1 guild that is taking the week to refresh.

Unless BG or JQ is in the match, would be hard to tell how TC does against a full strength SoR.

Aurust is a troll both in game and on the forums.

Anyone who faces us should just do the same thing the Rallians do in game, “Don’t feed the trolls!”

Very very cool site.

Nice job on it.

phabby.8945:

PariahX.6970:

More importantly TW and Indo were a huge part of shaping JQ’s WvW community during beta and for the first couple of months after release so many of their members still have friends and former guild mates on JQ. They have always said they would be returning home once they accomplished everything they set out to do on SoR. You never know, maybe they will stick around awhile once they see how hard we continue to fight on with limited resources but I think Indo will always be ever careful about creating another bandwagon situation on any world.

TW is one of the few guilds out there that actually practices what they preach in trying to maintain balanced fights (along with Laylyn from BG who never seems to get a lot of support from his own server in his efforts) and looking for strong competition across worlds. I expect the reason they did not chose to visit DB this week instead has more to do with playing the new glicko system than anything else. It would not help to promote more even match-ups in the future to inflate DB’s rating and then leave them high and dry the next week whereas keeping JQ’s numbers solid helps to ensure more BG/SoR/JQ sets for the best competition under the new system. It will be interesting to see what changes to scoring ANET has in mind for the next batch of WvW fixes tho. Trying to think long term now might not pay off in the manner expected.

So you have managed in no short terms shoot your self in the foot so to speak.
If TW didnt want to goto Db in case they stuffed their glicko system up for them then leave ,then the same can be said in regards to going to JQ. They have even by a small chance shifted JQ’s scoring in the new system giving a complete false reading on that servers performance. JQ has been a highly respected server by all however if they in there current state cannot hold their own then the new server system will adjust them accordantly, however SOR cant have that can they, as you have pointed out Indo has a vested interest in keeping JQ next to Sor in the match ups which looks very sus.

If Indo was concerned about balance then he should of stayed were he was at SOR and let the new system do its job, however it seams from the obvious choices made that no he wants to control his match ups to have SOR and JQ in the same match, even if they don’t atm deserve to be there. So the obvious view that anyone can deduce is that without JQ ,SOR cannot take on BG.

It is quiet apparent over the last few weeks that JQ’s power has shifted and in this weeks match up it shows, If SOR is going to continue to carry JQ then the system is broken before it gets of the ground and that isnt fair to any server in any match up on here, and if the mighty Indo states he wants “balance” then leave things alone to sort them selves out.

I honestly don’t care if TW wants more fights cause their match up is weak this week around, but what they have done is not allow the new system to do its job, instead he wants to bolster JQ’s rating, which isnt fair to them either.

Quite a conspiracy.

The troll bait is too obvious.

When TW went over, BG was up 18k, I doubt even they can make that up alone. The only thing that will change is BG’s NA won’t run over JQ’s NA anymore.

Doesn’t BG want good competition? Or did you guys just want to trample over things and pvdoor your way to winning the match?

You guys should be happy they are there. You can’t get rid of big bad scary TW, oh noes.

Liquid.9672:

Neuromancer.2148:

Why did TW transfer to JQ and not DB who actually need the help?

They were originally on JQ, so it probably had a bit to do with that. I highly doubt the move had anything to do with helping anyone, but rather trolling BG for a few laughs. Our history is a tad on the ugly side.

They said they are playing with old friends but another reason is they wanted to do a lot of GvG and JQ has no GvGers while BG and DB both have 4-5 guilds each that do. So it made sense for them to go to JQ.

Cameron.2315:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKlxsPm6RZ0

some sor shenanigans with help from sos

lol…….poor Indo.

Are there any GvGers on TC or SoS?

rhyein.6172:

Chris.3290:

TC, let’s make this 2v1; SoR is going rack up massive PvDoor points during the work week against both of us; so let’s not get up in each other’s faces so much (looking at you PINK)

TC spent almost the entire night attacking SoR in the south on SoS BL. First thing SoS does when they get garrison back is to try to take TC’s spawn tower, losing Garrison again to SoR. Don’t think PiNK is your problem.

We were gonna stay on hills and let SoS keep their garri, but they kept attacking bay.

SykkoB.9465:

this is the kinda match up I was worried we would get sos has noooo chance

o well nothing we can do lets keep the forum clean tho and have some fun

agreed

just give people an open arena and let them zone in with 15/20/25 ppl.

that would be fantastic anet.

Lets keep it fun and civil guys regardless of the score.

The funny thing is, none of SoR leaders actually post on these boards so your point is a moot one.

But overall, everyone should do less trolling.

That’s 5 guilds right there BG picked up from KN. Not even including XF and BT.

BG without question has had the most guild transfers than any other server in T1.

Quite frankly, all guilds can go where they want and servers can accept whoever they want but the fact of the matter is BG should know better, you know who in the current tier needs help, it isn’t SoR and it isn’t BG, it IS JQ.

Any interest in transfers should have been sent to JQ. I know for a fact that anyone that Indo talks to , he recommends to them JQ or BG telling them that SoR isn’t in a position of accepting transfers for the health of the tier.

I know it’s easy being selfish and thinking only of yourselves, but you really should beyond your desire to win. JQ hasn’t gotten a single transfer since free transfers have closed, if anything they have just lost people. We need to make a collective effort and help them build their coverage back up.

Also, I hope the matchup changes up significantly like it did for Euro, this tier is now stale and I think everyone is sick of each other leading to a lot of unnecessary hostility.

OP doesn’t even play on SoR.

Perspective is important, the video was a rally when BG got a ton of transfer in from SoS and JQ was still stacked and SoR was the underdog. The philosophy of the video is true about how SoR never stops fighting and they never give up. But honestly, I don’t think you should take what forum trolls say as a indication of what the community at large believes.

SoR has a fantastic community by all accounts but other servers do as well. The server is resilient like no other and it is a proud server because of all that it has gone through but it’s obvious the poster is trying to create drama and hate from the outside in.

Gerby.6219:

Great fights [vH]! Thanks for coming out.

What was the score if you are talking about GvG.

Sunspots.9861:

That being said, they can be beaten…by themselves. Pretty much like every number 1 before them. That’s what keeps the system rolling. Until then, enjoy the ride!

This x 1000.

All Rallians should keep that in mind because it’s true.

It’s been a fun week.

To BG and JQ, we salute you.

Hope to see you all next week.

pot.6805:

ain’t nobody got time for ’dat.

And yet you somehow manage.

Not really, because you don’t know if he really transferred.

And look at his post history, it’s basically repeating the same thing over and over again with a link of the video, lol.

If that’s not troll I don’t know what is.

Gotta hand it to him though, look at how this thread exploded. Pro troll is pro. Is that your alt account Pot?

edit: The mods should delete this thread, it’s obvious this is just a troll post from someone looking to bring hate on SoR.

That does’t mean anything, all you have to do is take another post and re-post it.

Look at his post history lol, supposedly was on BG then transferred to JQ then transferred to SoR.

Interesting server history.

Think someone from TW has that fight on fraps, it was 20minutes long. I’ll ask them to put it up if they can.

Evalana.5480:

Jahn.7019:

PhilBrank.4965:

Freakin awesome night tonight. Soooo many fights! Too many arrowcarts (1 is too many) though!

An all around amazing night defending bay in JQBL for a long while. Was not fun trying to hold vale for 15 minutes straight while JQ also insisted on trying for bay, but was still cool how we managed to hold it that long lol. Great fights, thanks all!

Our inventories thank you.

Ours thank you as well – I got 2 exotics and a yellow – and about 30+ badges

……..aaaand about 4589475478572 spikes.

I’m just teasing, wanted to see who would bite. I figured it would be someone from ICOA not BT though ;p

Good fights anyways, was definitely a lot of fun.

PhilBrank.4965:

Freakin awesome night tonight. Soooo many fights! Too many arrowcarts (1 is too many) though!

An all around amazing night defending bay in JQBL for a long while. Was not fun trying to hold vale for 15 minutes straight while JQ also insisted on trying for bay, but was still cool how we managed to hold it that long lol. Great fights, thanks all!

Our inventories thank you also.

wish.1027:

Seriously, why is everyone from TW so bad?
Ive found 6 of your players in the last hour or so alone, and every single one ran from me until 4+ other TW players were around. Except 1 asuran guardian, props to you, but man, you guys are pretty bad. I moved to SOR BL solo to find some good fights, since thats all TW ever brags about. Turns out all they can do is win with numbers, who knew.

You sound mad? It’s just a game mate. Buck up.

There’s a reason SoR is the only server to get #1 without the FULL status and the only server that has gone up the highest number of ranks to get to #1.

It takes a lot of organization and unity along with positive, charismatic, and vibrant leaders to grow a community and keep it strong.

Everyone who has played on other servers and then comes to SoR say it is like night and day, the difference between other servers and SoR.

Israel.7056:

I played for several months on Blackgate server and now I’ve spent a little over two weeks on SoR and I have to say that I think there are some pronounced differences between the way each server operates on multiple levels so it’s turned out to be more than just forum rhetoric.

Care to elaborate?

btowl.7869:

Waage.2047:

Kryyg.8576:

Waage.2047:

Jahn.7019:

Waage.2047:

Jahn.7019:

Kaimick.5109:

Jahn.7019:

Kaimick.5109:

I have gotten use to the Poor NA attitude in fighting on BG, we have some good guilds but yet we go out manned everyday on maps and we are not getting people on to work together. I have also gotten use to the Double Team, and to the JQ person askign why are BG and JQ not Double teaming SoR welll good question. I am sure SoR would love to have the challenge

Sounds like a core problem within BG. I agree with the poster above that BG probably has absorbed a lot, if not the most, wvw orientated guilds of the 3 servers yet their performance does not show. It seems that the entire atmosphere of BG is toxic. You need a strong leader to step up to re-organize the server or the current active wvw guilds should start over somewhere else to be quite frank. It’s obvious the current “eat up as many servers/guilds as possible and we’ll be ok” strategy isn’t working for BG.

That being said, if it requires a 2v1 against SoR, then it requires a 2v1 against SoR. I think most Rallians are used to being the underdog by nature, so a 2v1 would bring that back for them since that’s where they thrive.

You have to realize that where BlackGate has a lot of WvW guilds we have a lot of PvE and PvX guilds. Which might I add also tends to out number the WvW guilds. Even though they should never really matter, some of the WvW guilds are fair weather and negative to a lot of things and eventually that ends up affecting other guilds. I would love to be rid of them but what can we do, hopefully we can eventually get rid of them only time will tell.

That’s a core issue then to be frank. Look at the list which I posted. You could probably even make the argument that BG has the most WvW guilds of any server in any tier and yet they still go out trying to buy guilds over to their server. You should do the right thing and send some of these guilds to other servers that need them more(ie JQ for T1 or FA for T2) and work out your issues within your server. It’s obviously not a population or coverage issue that BG has.

Yes we are the toxic ones. I mean you need to be here on this forum spreading lies about BG because your leadship is so great. I can see how SoR is a great server by your actions alone.

We should learn from you.

psht i heard that IRON was given gold to help move over to SoR so there for SoR BUGHT IRON and that is slavery. SoR is pro slavery.

Two different people who play on BG have come outright in the last 2 pages and said you have issues over there. I’m just analyzing it. If you have a problem, talk to your fellow BGers. You can blame me and paint me to be a bad guy all you want, but it’s not going to fix the problems your server has internally.

edit: Correction 3 different BGers have come out and posted that you guys have severe issues on BG. One of them even going as far as saying they hope some of their WvW guilds leave the server because they are so toxic.

No what they said. What most of them talked about was not issues with in BG as whole, but the fact that where having issues with the new TS! As in because we use a new TS it had made it hard to deal with things.

Also if Kaimick is who i think it is i still don’t care. He is from one guilds and his opinion is his to keep, but most of the others where touching on basic issues like the fact that we have a lot of PvX. LIKE SOR.

Remember how most of SoR stopped showing for a bunch of weeks in a row. SoR always had a strong NA and now you have a STRONG NA and EU. The strongest and yet all you do is sit here and lie. WHY??

You’re always angry, why?

I am not angry. Not every one in the world walk around with there head in the cloud smiling from ear to ear about every thing. I call a tool for a tool.

You’re acting like a tool, Waage, and your slavery comments are out of line.

You know someone is completely out of pocket when they use slavery in their posts. That’s just as bad as the individual from KnT who started referring to the kittens and hitler. I understand you’re emotional, but it’s just a game. There are some lines you just shouldn’t cross.

Kaimick.5109:

Jahn.7019:

Kaimick.5109:

I have gotten use to the Poor NA attitude in fighting on BG, we have some good guilds but yet we go out manned everyday on maps and we are not getting people on to work together. I have also gotten use to the Double Team, and to the JQ person askign why are BG and JQ not Double teaming SoR welll good question. I am sure SoR would love to have the challenge

Sounds like a core problem within BG. I agree with the poster above that BG probably has absorbed a lot, if not the most, wvw orientated guilds of the 3 servers yet their performance does not show. It seems that the entire atmosphere of BG is toxic. You need a strong leader to step up to re-organize the server or the current active wvw guilds should start over somewhere else to be quite frank. It’s obvious the current “eat up as many servers/guilds as possible and we’ll be ok” strategy isn’t working for BG.

That being said, if it requires a 2v1 against SoR, then it requires a 2v1 against SoR. I think most Rallians are used to being the underdog by nature, so a 2v1 would bring that back for them since that’s where they thrive.

You have to realize that where BlackGate has a lot of WvW guilds we have a lot of PvE and PvX guilds. Which might I add also tends to out number the WvW guilds. Even though they should never really matter, some of the WvW guilds are fair weather and negative to a lot of things and eventually that ends up affecting other guilds. I would love to be rid of them but what can we do, hopefully we can eventually get rid of them only time will tell.

That’s a core issue then to be frank. Look at the list which I posted. You could probably even make the argument that BG has the most WvW guilds of any server in any tier and yet they still go out trying to buy guilds over to their server. You should do the right thing and send some of these guilds to other servers that need them more(ie JQ for T1 or FA for T2) and work out your issues within your server. It’s obviously not a population or coverage issue that BG has.

Liquid.9672:

Jahn.7019:

Sounds like a core problem within BG. I agree with the poster above that BG probably has absorbed a lot, if not the most, wvw orientated guilds of the 3 servers yet their performance does not show. It seems that the entire atmosphere of BG is toxic. You need a strong leader to step up to re-organize the server or the current active wvw guilds should start over somewhere else to be quite frank. It’s obvious the current “eat up as many servers/guilds as possible and we’ll be ok” strategy isn’t working for BG.

That being said, if it requires a 2v1 against SoR, then it requires a 2v1 against SoR. I think most Rallians are used to being the underdog by nature, so a 2v1 would bring that back for them since that’s where they thrive.

The atmosphere isn’t toxic at all. We have some kinks to work out with communication on our new TS setup, but other than that the environment is as friendly and organized as it can be. Sure there are frustrations at times, but I don’t believe any server is immune to that and it’s perfectly normal.

Why player activity dropped for certain guilds that transferred to the server is anyone’s guess. My personal feelings on the matter is some of those guilds were already hurting, and some players just wanted a last hoorah with a T1 victory before calling it quits on the game. The players that remain have been reorganizing and rebuilding their rosters, but that takes time. In the meantime, the core is still there doing our thing and leadership is still strong and doing their thing. But on many days and certain times we simply haven’t been able to sustain the same numbers in WvW as SoR.

You’ve picked up BT from FA, a massive NA guild, and you’re also getting XF from KN, a decent sized OC/SEA guild.

BG now has:

NA: KnT, ICOA, BT, RISE, GOF, ATAC, PRO, RIOT, RUIN, WORK, RESO, OnS
OC: MERC, LOTD, MEOW, NOC, URGE, XF
AZ: THAI, ND, ND, WM, JL, NBB
EURO: HB, RK

This list doesn’t even include all the smaller/medium sized guilds BG has.

How much more could BG possibly need to eat up to be competitive. You have without question the most WvW guilds of anyone in T1.

Kaimick.5109:

I have gotten use to the Poor NA attitude in fighting on BG, we have some good guilds but yet we go out manned everyday on maps and we are not getting people on to work together. I have also gotten use to the Double Team, and to the JQ person askign why are BG and JQ not Double teaming SoR welll good question. I am sure SoR would love to have the challenge

Sounds like a core problem within BG. I agree with the poster above that BG probably has absorbed a lot, if not the most, wvw orientated guilds of the 3 servers yet their performance does not show. It seems that the entire atmosphere of BG is toxic. You need a strong leader to step up to re-organize the server or the current active wvw guilds should start over somewhere else to be quite frank. It’s obvious the current “eat up as many servers/guilds as possible and we’ll be ok” strategy isn’t working for BG.

That being said, if it requires a 2v1 against SoR, then it requires a 2v1 against SoR. I think most Rallians are used to being the underdog by nature, so a 2v1 would bring that back for them since that’s where they thrive.

The interesting thing is the guilds that just stated they don’t have any interest in GvG have their members flooding the area when GvG actually happens. The walls are usually lined with a good healthy population from each of the servers watching the GvG.

I think most guilds are afraid because of their ego and arrogance and the list of excuses when you lose is limited. But I think guilds only gain reputation and respect by GvGing. Surprisingly, there’s very little bashing and a lot of mutual respect in the GvG scene, I’d say a lot more than the WvW scene without question. The WvW scene is a cesspool compared to the GvG scene, there’s a lot more honor with the GvGers compared to the WvWers.

When HzH came out to GvG CHOO and TW, map chat and TS was full of nothing but respect and praises to those guys. HzH is at the top of SoR’s respect list when it comes to JQ I feel because of it. Even now, in WvW when HzH is seen or mentioned, people give them a lot of respect because of it.

Win or lose, I’ve found guilds that look to improve their game and seek new types of challenges are those that are most interested in GvG.

They are not mutually exclusive. Some of the best WvWers are the guilds that also do GvG.

Rarely do you find a guild that is good in GvG that sucks in WvW, but you find a lot of guilds that claim to be good in WvW but are absolutely horrible when it comes to even grounds fighting and are actually afraid of it(no clue why).

Everyone can say they’ve wiped this zerg or fought outnumbered that, but if you have the confidence in your performance you shouldn’t be afraid of GvG. If anything, look to it as another challenge.

For the guy that said egos and raging may ruin his guild , you’re guild isn’t that strong to begin with then if a simple thing as a GvG threatens its integrity or the egos of your playerbase. Trying and losing in GvG is just as important, if not more important, than winning in GvG.

Regardless, do what is fun for you but you shouldn’t knock others interest in GvG.

The race for 2nd is tight.

TIMMEH.8106:

we have like 100 members tagged…..we really aren’t that large.

You should still GvG them, want me to ask them to get in touch?

IRSyKo.5843:

Israel.7056:

You guys do a really good job of putting the fight where you want it to be.

Thanks I’ve been working out

Great fights tonight TW, really some of the most fun we have all had in this game in awhile being here it seems like.

You guys should gvg them, they are a small guild compared to yours. I bet they’d love to set something up.