Guild Wars 2

Three norns after a long day cutting timber in a forest, start boasting their skills.
First one “I once cut 1000 trees in a week!”
Second norn “That’s nothing, I once cut 10000 trees in a week!”
The third “You are both such nubs, I was once a lumberjack in the Crystal Forest!”
The other two “You mean Crystal Desert?”
The third “That’s what they call it now.”

/stealthbump and yes, I shamelessly stole this joke from somewhere in the forums.

They should rename the game to QQ2 cos everytime Anet does something people asked for (account bound dyes), people find something to QQ about it.

Having a lot of alts, I won’t miss dye drops in exchange for account bound dyes, ever.

Kraljevo.2801:

Hello vabbi community

I just joined you today because I am sick of zerging around and would like to join a good roaming guild. (I don’t know if these guilds listed above are roaming guilds?)

Any recommendations?

Kind Regards

[Now] is a roaming guild, talk to moxx.4629 (guild leader) in game if you are still interested.

No thieves? As always Charliex, you broke my heart.

</3

Considered dead by many,
we never gave up the eternal fight.
Our force, strong and stubborn,
was scattered through the land.

Old and young fought and died,
then the Uprising brought us new light.

Too late to stop us now,
our enemies already fell dead to ground.

(Moxx isn’t allowed to guess my riddles, since he knows me and he is too much of a warrior)

Joe, the bagomancer.

<3

90% zerker build with some cavalier

I mostly roam in wvw but I run with zerg as well from time to time. I don’t change my build for zerging, imo, even in full PVT gear, your passive defenses are subpar to other classes.

Zerging is pretty fun, cluster bombs down so many people and dagger storm hits like truck as well but I am a toast really fast if many people focus on me. We lack stability for effective zerging, not extra armour.

Isaac.6041:

Well I just transferred to T9 Euro server Vabbi to see how things are here. The WvW is pretty good actually but the PVE areas like Gendarran Fields Vigil quite are VERY empty. I only saw 1 other person next to the bank. Compare this to T1 Euro Server Seafarer’s Rest. At least 10 people near the bank area on the same map same time (I guested).

Welcome to Vabbi.

If you transfer after your 1 week limit is up, we will forget your name.

If you stay, have fun!

Most are very predictable, they try to backstab just before their stealth ends, so try to either evade/dodge or c&D off them.

Half of d/p thieves kill themselves by jumping into my cluster bombs I shotgun under my feet. One of the reasons I prefer sb to other sets.

Keep moving to make landing backstab harder.

Use mobs as a meatshield (if there are any around) for same reason as above.

If the thief stacks stealth, you can try to hit him in his bp, sword’s range is enough if you stand just outside bp.

Best to attack him in the short window when he just got revealed. C&D + steal usually takes 30%-50% of his HP, and daze from sleight of hand prevents him to use bp again for a while.

You can try d/p for just couple of hours, I find it a lot easier to fight classes/builds that I tried myself.

If you find yourself fighting a thief that just stacks long stealth to keep his HP at 100% and then attacks, then just walk out from there. No point wasting time, imo.

Dagger storm 95% of time for the reflect, works great against certain classes/builds. I don’t need to fight some warriors, they just shoot themselves :P Also dagger storm in middle of any larger group fight hits like truct with a zerker build.

Very rarely I use basilisk, usually against other thieves. I don’t use lyssa runes so I don’t need BV for the cooldown.

TG only when I was leveling, in WvW maybe against a heavy class player that I want to aggro or they use the hounds elite. I consider TG to be kinda cheesy so I don’t use it in agreed duels.

I am not entire sure why so many people see this as a bad idea. On lower tier servers, this concept would be great.

Yes, there are some players that wvw during off-peak hours too, having EB running 24/7 would still allow them to play.

I have two accounts, EU and NA, 1. cos I have friends in US and 2. cos I don’t wanna do pve ONLY during night in wvw. I play wvw for the pvp side, not just flip camps and get points. Ever tried wvw in T9 during late night hours? It’s BORING.

Due to this kittened ppt system, Vabbi is considered dead, eventhough we often dominate other servers during prime time. Come back in the morning, and other servers are 20k ahead. You can say “play for fun, not ppt” but most people are discouraged by losing to overnight coverage, they simply transfer or don’t play as much.

The problems I see with this suggestion are:

1. Anet would have to determine which servers are suitable for this and keep eye on servers’ population. Too much work for Anet.

2. Determine what hours are “hardcore off-line”. On Vabbi we have enough people during the day, it’s the 1am-7am lack of people that kills the ppt.

3. Some people just don’t like EB.

style.6173:

@OP: Bad idea.

Plus only a few people really care about PPT anyway. Most just want to have good fights whenever they play.

That’s why I like his idea, it would actually make fights possible during late night hours Currently all I can do is flip a camp and hope that maybe someone comes there to flip it back.

I know this won’t be implemented, since it’s too much to do for Anet and since players from higher tiers think that what applies to wvw on their servers, works same for the low ones too.

I see my brother, hurt and bleeding on the ground,
I take him to my house to protect him from mighty warriors swinging their swords around.

Anet devs are bigger trolls than me,
they made my house the huge and sparkly for everyone to see,
so I die with my brother
in a neverending spam of deadly aoe.

Am I right Moxx?

Just try few of the mentioned builds in the mode you play and see what works for you. I find S/D in WvW still viable.

Would be awesome if we were able to select WvW title from all those we got so far so I could be “invader” and troll people even more.

The days when people played WvW for fun, not loot bags.

Ranger and ele.

Ranger – most rangers just use longbow and once you get close to them, they are toast. So I approach most of them as “free food”. Once in a while I jump on a ranger thinking he’ll be an easy kill only to find he moved on from the pve mentality and can actually fight. These rangers are really tough to kill.

Ele – by that I mean non-staff eles. Good ones can burst me down in 0.5s, no other class can kill me that fast.

moxx.4629:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

Born in a place that once lived and died, I bring sadness and pain to mankind. My body is old and thin, woven from air, and my strength comes from my master’s despair.

For thus he cannot sleep in the darkness of his consciousness that even my presence cannot take away.

Gazed on by many, I have only one master, a lone fool that once tought he can be a hero.

xD second try… Infinite Light?

yeah but no cookies for you cos you just guessed it

nope and nope

Moxx, you dirty warrior, you might know, you see me everyday.

Fear No Darkness [Now], a WvW oriented, no hardcode no elite kitten guild welcomes new and experienced players.

Vabbi is perfect for you if you play WvW for fun and prefer small scale. If you transfer to our enemy servers (FoW, WRS, BT or UW), I’ll troll you forever.

Born in a place that once lived and died, I bring sadness and pain to mankind. My body is old and thin, woven from air, and my strength comes from my master’s despair.

For thus he cannot sleep in the darkness of his consciousness that even my presence cannot take away.

Gazed on by many, I have only one master, a lone fool that once tought he can be a hero.

ykyk.2740:

It’s an immersion feature

xD

Not only in T1 or T2, T9 has lag issues past few days as well. Haven’t had lag in T9 until now.

NotKalkz.1286:

2- Pug commanders do work and efforts and carry servers more than guilds

^ this

Xillllix.3485:

2- I learned that the staff ele handicap versus a thief will never get fixed.

Nobody can fix your weapon choice for you.

One time me I was flipping camps on EB with my guildie. When we got to Speldan, we couldn’t flip as it was fully upgraded with 3-5 Yak Bend guys constantly guarding it. They built balistas and acs. Everytime we killed one, they hard rezzed him and taunted us with laugh emotes. So I lured that tree champ that spawns nearby into camp, it killed all the npcs and the players too for us

The first time I was moa’d, I had no idea what to do and reading skill tool tip would kill me so I just spammed all the skills and watched the mesmer being pecked to death

Last week Underworld zerg decided to flip our keep, tons of golems, the usual. In these situations I try to at least give them hard time killing the lord. My HP was low when I got jumped by S/P thief. I am zerker so PW hurts a lot, didn’t expect to survive, heal and everything on cd. Then last refuge kicked in, the PW still hit me once or twice before I got out… with 1HP letf! I don’t have shadow reju so all I was thinking was OMGKITTEN KITTEN. Somehow none of the random aoe and other dmg flying around hit me and I got out.

I wanted to reply to this post a while ago and say that guard is your best option.

I leveled a guard just for commanding and at first I found the survability just amazing. Guards are awesome for jumping into the frontline and still be able to walk out from there alive.

Well, after few runs commanding our zerg, I won’t recommend a guard/warr. Why? If you play a thief, you’d probably find other classes boring. I can play my guard for maybe an hour and then I have to switch back to my thief. Maybe that’s just the troll in me though :P

If you like your current class and can decently survive in a zerg, just stick with it. You’ll die more than a heavy but there is no point playing a class you don’t enjoy, imo.

It’s true people don’t like following thief commanders. I heard so much kitten about thieves the first time I was commanding on ts, though I understand why. We die fast (and then the average zergling is lost and doesn’t know what to do), and we move unpredictably and most people find this annoying.

If you are on a server lower than T1 – T2, you could try tagging up on borderlands, it’s a lot easier to stay alive in a small zerg, the EB one can get massive (yeah even on Vabbi).

Some people (including me) have dual accounts to play on EU and NA as well. I wouldn’t want one of them removed.

Lert.6287:

The thing with Underworld is that you don’t actually need more players, but I’d say more skilled existing ones. As much as I hate generalisation, you guys mostly need twice or thrice amount of players to take enemy group down.

Everyone needs double the players to take down Psy xD

I enjoyed the last week with Underworld, tough fights and some really skilled roamers. Though some UW don’t like snowmen :c

Great server for anyone looking to move down few tiers, Vabbi needs more enemy invaders to kill :P

He is already using S/P, which is better for PVE and leveling than S/D. P/P is alright for ranged single target dps.

Try key binding your heal and utilities.

Reading the previous posts, I am sure I get reported daily for using my class skills.

Eiland.1405:

There are ez solutins to each of those problems, I am sure that the balance team will choose the best ones (and that it will happen very soon):
1. increase skill ini cost
2. return ini regen to normal
3. change stun to immoblize
4. return steal CD to normal
5. reduce damage
6. remove evade (bug anyhow- its not mentioned in skill description)

Do you realise that 21s steal with boon rip requires 30pts in trickery line? The reduced cd on steal is not for free.

PW roots the player so without the evade, it’d be a suicide skill.

ronpierce.2760:

Nah, I’d say a not spammable but consistently… reusable evade weapon ability with no hard cooldown is definitely a staple of some stinky cheese. Fighting a character where for almost literally 70% of the fight (when he hasn’t teleported away for you waiting on init regen, and you’re not hitting him anyways… the good thieves who exploit the kitten out of their ability to teleport everywhere as well as evade everything.) they’re evading… I get kittening sick of the “evade evade evade evade”. That’s what kittenes me off about thief.

Maybe try not wasting your cd’s when you know he is evading? Timing and reactive play would help instead of spamming skills the moment you see a thief near you.

no

I have two accounts: T2 NA and T9 EU so my lag could be affected by the server size as well.

I don’t lag on the EU server (playing from UK).

My NA account is on Sea of Sorrows and most of the time I have a very slight delay, I notice this especially when using keep/tower portals or shortbow teleport or with some thief combos – they don’t connect. On some days or on reset nights it gets a bit laggier and I just don’t play my thief cos of this.

Haven’t noticed the lag with other classes (mesmer/guard), except the keep portal lag.

roseria.7695:

I sometimes get loud noises and pops when i fight in large groups (pve and wvw)
like it pops and then i have like no sounds untill i change map

This happened to me few times in past 3 weeks. Usually in combat, suddenly the game sound stops working, all other pc sounds work fine. So tried restarting the game and it doesn’t let me cos GW2 is apparently already running (but doesn’t show in task manager).

Will try the map change next time.

You don’t really need S/D, bountiful theft is usually enough. Sometimes it’s difficult to use FS among clones/illusions cos they get hit and die, and I get condis on me. Also to burn a lot of ini for 1 boon is just not that great.

I find the fight easier when I stay close to mesmer as much as possible and play aggressively to force mesmer play defensively. Most players when they start panicing, they just try to run away and give you their back. GS aa also deals more dmg the farther you are from mes.

Try to use terrain to break line of sight and when using shadow refuge – I drop it next to wall/cliff etc so the mesmer can’t push me out of it. Or dodge inside SR.

I think x/D is better for dealing mesmers, C&D alone deals nice dmg (I am a zerker though, my C&D hits for 4-9k).

no, no and no to server mergers

global server alliances … pffff I have EU and NA accounts, and there is a big difference in latency. On some days I can’t play my main (thief) cos of this, other classes seem fine but thief is just unplayable sometimes.

I transfered from Blackgate to T9 for a reason, no need to kitten up T9 with blobs from higher tier servers.

I need to stop reading these forums.

Kadin.2356:

I’d simply be happy with an F2 that just discarded the F1 without using it

That’d be nice. And also I’d like to see the steal cooldown when holding a stolen skill.

Hype.8032:

I think it’d be completely fair to reduce the cast time to 0.1 sec or even better, code it like withdraw so it’s instant assuming you’re not stunned. These kinds of changes would just be for quality of life rather than making any build stronger.

Imagine they’d actually do that. The raised skill cap would allow thieves who know how to play sword well to even further frustrate other players, who usually just want an easy loot bag.

Tbh, I think the main reason for Anet to add cast time was to remove the combos with instant IR – they said it themselves. I doubt we will ever see instant IR again, Anet doesn’t want more QQ from people even if it means dumbing down the weapon set.

Bombsaway.7198:

I always thought the thief should get more of a bonus to backstabbing and flank attacks when out of stealth as a baseline. Sure, IN stealth it should be higher.

I would have Side strike do 7% more crit damage from side and 15% more crit damage from rear.

That would pretty much put the thief back in place.

I believe the game recognises only front and back. But it’d be nice to get higher dmg for more skillful play.

Sevenn.3085:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

I think the main problem comes from having no incentive (except personal preference) to play in small group instead of a zerg. Same loot/xp but a lot faster and safer.

There are already incentives to play small group, its just not something that incentivises you as you reference loot, xp and safety as being important.

If however you are looking for more lag free fights, running non zerg builds and having a greater responsibility on the outcome of engagements(generalisations, but you get the point)….you would be small scalling already.

Personal preference is enough.

I didn’t say xp/loot/safety is important to me anywhere in that sentence. It is certainly important to a lot of people, otherwise zergs wouldn’t be so popular.

Even funnier what you wrote considering we did roam together few times with BaN on Vabbi.

You can always get something…. you know, something else than a legendary. No point spending time to have fancy pixels when wvw is so much fun.

The outnumbered buff is pointless imo, who thinks about having extra MF when you get killed right outside spawn.

I don’t agree that it should give stat advantage to players, I want fair fights with other roamers.

Instead, outnumbered should somewhat negate the effects of having less people, ie:

increase sup carrying capacity – takes few seconds for a zerg to build siege, the outnumbered “zerg” of 1-3 people takes several minutes to do the same.

buff siege – either faster skills or higher dmg, pvding often takes gate down faster than 2 rams

I think the main problem comes from having no incentive (except personal preference) to play in small group instead of a zerg. Same loot/xp but a lot faster and safer.

Even when outnumbered, individual/small group has a chance against other several people, but not against a zerg, that usually equals to death in 0.034s.

I care very much about PPT.

Flipping a camp/tower is often the only way to get fights. The opposing servers always notice the only 1 vabbian camp on the whole EB.

" “We don’t care about PPT, we play for fights.”
Is a great excuse when you’re losing.
Quite bad one too.
You and your team run around an empty map, doing absolutely nothing to contribute your server while your opponent is smarter and camps/defend towers."

OP, I think kitten just died somewhere.

/sad story

hellsmachine.4085:

Just replace it, with a button that instantly kills you would be better. Saves you 15 seconds of looking like a fool.

+1

Considering how many people jump over the edge in eotm when they are about to die, this could work for every class :P

Personally I’d like 2 downed skills for all classes – hit/heal.

So this is essentially a rant that you got 1 shot by a thief?

I will answer this post from the point of view of an S/D thief as this is my main.

I lose to mesmers so often I actually avoid them in wvw. I am not a great player but not that bad either. Still, unless the mesmer is a very bad one and starts running away from me, doing literaly nothing, I hardly ever kill a mesmer.

The reasons are:

High, ranged dmg – if I get caught when low on initiative/cds, I am dead. Other classes that can deal a lot of dmg at a range, well, they don’t give me so much trouble because that dmg comes from projectiles and most of the times I can counter that by using dagger storm or warrior stolen skill. Can’t do this with mesmer.

Some of your skills hit thieves even when we stealth – this is a killer for me. Being S/D, I don’t have access to “perma stealth” and I don’t use stealth that much as I am not a big fan of it. So my use of stealth is rather a reaction to what is going in combat, to either clear condis, or when low on HP. While condis are easy to get rid of when fighting a mesmer (C&D off the illusions), stealth is no use when low on HP cos I still get hit (if you use the skills before I go stealth).

100% mind bust – this is a mesmer class mechanic to confuse and well, I works great against me xD. Usually it’s not that easy to target the player among all the illusions.

I used to lose often to necros as well, so asked my guildie to duel with me, I adjusted my build and since then I don’t have problems with necros.

To learn how mesmers work, I made one myself. Got her to 80 a week ago or so and so far I find the class fun to play. I will see how much it can help me fight other mesmers.

My norn thief

Cynz.9437:

i will tell you what happend recently… all bad thieves rerolled warriors

+ 1

I have high expectations in the rune/sigil rework to up my thievery, waiting for Superior Sigil of Zen – 50% reduction of tunnel vision, 75% if the target’s HP reaches 10%.

Charrs will never forget their past and once they will have nothing to fight, they’ll turn against anyone in Tyria, spreading their rage and bloodthirst over the peaceful landscape.

The norn in me hopes that dragons will eat as many furries as possible, although I don’t mind putting my sword to a good use.

/I don’t rez charrs