Guild Wars 2

I agree and it is pretty obvious. Play an Elementalist to high lvl and then play a Thief. The number of things you have to juggle on the Thief are significantly lower than the Elementalist and in most scenarios they Thief is more effective.

Pinkerton.5643:

Drizty.3872:

this is becoming extremely frustrating and game breaking after asking if I could join a CoF group his initial response to me being ele was " Ehh " i’ve taken a screen shot below more as proof ( he then stated that he wanted someone more " tanky " but i got the feeling this was more of a nice way to so gtfo your an ele )

this is now extremely game breaking now that I am very limited to the amount of groups that will actually invite me! and its makeing it very hard to progress

it would be great if Anet gave some indication of when this is going to be looked at / or if it is at all going to be looked at all

or has there already been an indication? if so can anyone give me a link or point me in the right direction?

Haha, that picture made me laugh. That guy you were whispering doesn’t know anything about this game. You can’t tell from somebody’s profession how tanky they’re going to be. There aren’t even actually tanks in this game at all! What he means by tanky is survivable, and you can’t tell that by somebody’s profession. My Ele is incredibly survivable. If he had asked for your build and it was fire/air, then I might be able to see that answer depending on the existing group comp, but that was just complete and utter stupidity and ignorance on his part.

Low HP pool. Weak traits that do not synergize well across trait lines. Weak armor.

Sure you can tell if you know how the professions work.

I have been able to manage all the story quests solo as a staff elementalist. Lot of circle strafes and kiting.

For WvW they make a great keep bomber/defender. Beyond that I consider them extremely sub-par for both wvw roaming and spvp.

A grace period sounds like a good idea.

PS 1-3 hours lololol what overpopulated server are you on?

No one is stopping you from playing with your friends. There is a mode for that. There are just as many players (if not more) that want the ability to drop into quick matches, without being run over by premades. Anet has explained this time and time again, they are not going to change it.

My suggestions would be as follows.

Make an Elementalist and go directly to Spvp. Start out with something simple like staff and practice a bit on the target dummies and the practice NPCs. Then try a little bit of Spvp and see how it goes.

Quintal.6594:

I’m an ele (80, doing explorables)

I’ve tried a healing power build, had it at 900some, and was not sold on it.

It does make blast finishers in water very nice (3-4k per) allowing me to full heal an area with a couple evasive arcana’s and an arcane wave..

BUT. I have found it far more effective to go arcane/fire with knights/berserkers and evasive into fire fields to keep massive might stacks up on the party and just kill things faster. Not to mention still doing good dps my self

Also of note, the actual heals from geyser and rain will never do much, their point is to make water fields to combo. I think my Geyser did something piddly like 700 and the waterblast autoattack was healing for 350-400.

This is the problem people are running into with just about every profession. Why play harder with support builds… When you can make things substantially easier with superior damage builds. It is far easier to blow things up in wvw/spvp/wvw than it is to try and keep people alive.

Tuco.2419:

I am 100% glad I rolled an elementalist. Who else can clear an entire wall of enemies with a single rotation in WvW?

Yeah you can likely clear it for a few seconds, but rarey will you actually kill anyone. Over the past few days I am seeing more and more retaliation, often multiple classes pulling it off. I have nuked a door full of people a few times only to watch my HP flatline in just a few seconds, as mass retaliation hits me inside of the keep.

I’m glad Anet gets it. Now if the rest can just wrap their heads around it.

People use them in spvp constantly, every single fight nearly.

Troll thread is trolly.

I know for a fact that the Elementalist condition builds are pretty much crap for spvp right now. By the time you get enough stacks to matter your already dead or they have removed them. In large fights bleeds and burning only stack to 25. Go with the big hitting crit builds for pve and wvw keep defense. Avoid spvp unless you just like being at a constant disadvantage vs every class in this game.

I know how to dodge and stuff is still far from balanced. Thanks for trying though. Thankfully I don’t expect changes to be made overnight. They will happen though.

I would trade my 80 Elementalist for any other class in a heartheat.

What gets me is many of the other professions have a passive/signet style elite. We really got ripped off in the elite department. Heck I would use the racial elite skills over my class/profession elite skills if they let me in pvp.

I have a level 80 Elementalist and I would trade her for a lvl 80 of any other class in a split second. I am inferior to just about anything when it comes to staying alive in dungeons and some of the best played Elementalists are still a handicap for your team in Spvp.

rom.9726:

the thief is NOT one of the most easiest classes to grasp. Sorry. And No I will quantify my statement since you didn’t bother either.

My first 80 was an elementalist. Here I am swapping through attuenments.. Trying to keep track of which is on cd and which is not. I need some extra condition removal and healing, water. I need high damage, get into fire. Oh no that melee is to close to me.. I need some control and protection, earth. etc etc etc. Regardless of weapon and spec you are in a constant state of juggling all this stuff around.

Enter the thief…

So last night I feel like making a thief. I go through the tutorial/story area. I hit level 2 and immediately go to spvp. I throw together a dagger/pistol with pistol/pistol spec. I don’t touch a target dummy and go immediately into spvp.

Put on some poison, pop and assassin signet. Spam HS and watch crap die. Start getting hurt and throw down a stealth field. Watch my teammates take them down a notch.. come out of the stealth field and spam HS and watch crap die. Get into a few situations that require ranged, spam unload and watch crap die.

So I have been playing an elementalist since release.. Spvp, wvw, pve.. dungeons.. Trying out every weapon, every spec possible.

First time using a thief… get the highest score I have ever gotten in spvp, first place overall, lots of kills, a single death..

How do you think I feel about my Elementalist now?

Pants.8315:

I have over 120 deaths, work full time and have had not trouble getting the monthly achievement for this month. In fact I didn’t actually notice it much till tier 4 popped up and my chest appeared.

I’d love to know how it actually carries across zones/crafting etc. as it pretty much built up during my normal playing to the point that I barely noticed it.

By the 10th of this month I had the monthly knocked out. I was not even tracking it, just popped up on my screen. I said cool and went on about with my normal business.

Vistas are fine… and many of the old school MMOs had jumping puzzles in them.

Not allowed. /thread

This all looks fine on paper, but what you have in this video is the ideal 1v1 situation. Ideal situations come up few and far between in spvp. Thief is still the one of (if not the) easiest class to grasp, with an extremely easy to use builds, low risk with high payoff.

I lvled an Elementalist to 80. I tried every spec, every rotation, every weapon possible. I played WvW and Spvp for the last week. I could rarely score over 150 in a match. I was never the top ranked player in any match.

I made a Thief last night and hit lvl two. I went directly to Spvp and threw together a spec in a few minutes. I went directly into a Spvp match with zero practice time in pve or on the target dummies.

I used spider poison and assassins signet. I used the aoe stealth for my escape skill. I spammed mainly unlock and heart seeker.

I scored 250, died once and was first place over all.

Yeah, it is easy. Simple rotations, easy to understand skills, easy to understand builds and you smash face for huge numbers.

As I stated in my other thread the attunment switching slows you down. That extra second or half second that it takes you to move from one to the other.. So you can do something like remove a condition or immobilize an opponent is killer. The class you are fighting typically has that stuff directly at their dispposal. I played an Elementalist to 80 and it was great for aoe damage in wvw. However, all these dagger/dagger builds people talk about for straight up burst damage on a single target… still don’t have the brust potential of say a thief. If you are playing solo and pugging a lot of Spvp, my advice is to stay away from the elementalist.

Nova.1857:

if you can’t make it work, dont play it. Ele is a class that requires alot of finesse and skill and if you cant nail down a build youre comfy with, chose another class to sPvP with

You know I agree with you about the finesse part. Part of this is.. Even with finesse I do not feel like I am getting the payout that another class gets. I can find higher single target dps with other classes. I can find better healing, support and survival skills with other classes. The only thing I keep coming back to as being truly unique is the ability to lay down very impressive aoe, but that AOE only comes into play with WvW. In Spvp you are going to be found and stopped in very short order playing staff.

Malakree.5912:

When I tried ele it seem to me the one class that you really had to “feel” more than any other. If your not completely at home with it you will fail.

Yeah I have extensively tried this and I think its horrible. I can use several other classes and be superior in melee, while having a better armor rating and more hps.

It felt good back in the early beta weekends. Not so much now.

Thief is by far the biggest dps payout with the smallest amount of keys. It is hard for me to pull off that kinda burst (in melee) with any other class and some of their highest damage openers come from stealth. Their two primary damage combos require a stun break and a quick roll or you are nearly (if not) dead.

I have tried and tried.. I have used every spec I find. I have practiced the flow of the rotations and working between my attunements. I just can not find the payoff. It is much harder to keep track of and harder to work with and yet I can not even get on par with most other professions.

I can switch over to my thief, guardian or ranger and have a blast. I get just as much payoff for much less work (often much more). This class just bothers me. I worked on it hard, because even in beta I had issues with it. Yet now.. In live, it seems much weaker than ever before. I’ve waited to come here with this. I lvled to 80 in pve and made sure I had a firm grasp as to what is going on.

With the other classes.. I can spec exactly how I want and make it work.

-sad and frustrated-

WvW is fine… cause I can sit back and aoe with a staff, defend and attack with aoes.. but I am overly dependent on the zerg to keep me safe.

You aren’t making one of the classes/professions that lacks the swap ability all together are you?

Elementalists and Engineers do not have weapon swap.

You are going to end up with people that all spec into durability skills/traits/traits lines.

You can only dodge twice in most cases before you are a sitting duck for that next attack.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/Bandithaunt-Caverns-example-of-odd-performance/first#post48889

That same cavern gives me fits. A good example of an area they could use for testing.

While I have odd FPS issues with the game and I keep on reporting them. This game has not crashed a single time on me since it went live and it only crashed once during any beta weekend.

I’ve experienced it in WvW, but that kinda lag generally hits everyone. That is just the servers being unable to handle the load of large sieges.

As I move into this cave the FPS slowly drops from around 70 outdoors. To around 20 the deeper I move into the cave.

At the same time my GPU utilization drops from (edit) 90% to around 30%.

I’ve seen it happen a few times at crowded events. In some situations I will see arrows flying through the air, but not see the source until I move forward several paces.

From what I have seen nothing is overkill when it comes to WvW. So if you enjoy that and you can afford this monster, go for it.

If you don’t care about WvW, then you could probably back off a bit.

I checked my I7-902 (OCed to 3.4) and it had several CPUs parked. However, this was done remotely as I am at work. I would like to load the game up and see if they remain parked while the GW2 client is open. If they do, then yes this might be a problem. If they come out of parked status on their own then, not a big deal.

Interesting. Though I would like to hear others input on this.

NerdRage.6184:

Varna.5162:

You need a better CPU. This game is really CPU intensive and even high-end quads with good OC’s (4.5+ GHZ) can have issues.

Our goal with Guild Wars 2 is to have it run on a wide range of Windows gaming PCs.

Windows® XP Service Pack 2 or better
Intel® Core 2 Duo 2.0 GHz, Core i3 OR AMD Athlon 64 X2, or better
2 GB RAM
NVIDIA® GeForce® 7800, ATI X1800, Intel HD 3000, or better (256 MB of video RAM and shader model 3.0 or better)
25 GB available HDD space
Broadband Internet connection
Keyboard and mouse

where does it say that?

Agreed, something is just plain wrong with the game right now. He shouldn’t expect stellar FPS on his system, but with low settings it should at least be playable and I do not consider anything under 15fps to be playable.

Similar issues for me friend.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/My-WvW-Performance-Detailed-Stats/first#post32799

Yes and I will still like input beyond just yours. I’m not saying the CPU is not the problem. I just feel like there is more to this equation that just the CPU.

Xceptional.7985:

Do realize that i7 980x is based on the first gen i7’s and ivy bridge cpu’s have significantly better performance per core.
The support for 6 threads helps though.
Physical cores > hyperthreaded threads.

-nods- Oh I know.. and it is also like an 800-900 dollar CPU to this day. I would say less than .5% of the player base has stuff like that for this game.

Lets move on to other ideas and other comments.

Edit-

Current CPU usage in these battles is only about 40%

Elysios.9274:

Xceptional.7985:

Well I do notice a performance increase when I OC my cpu (i7 980x).
FPS never drops below 45 during WvW @ 4.5ghz.
Drops to like 35 @ stock.

So everyone needs a 4.5 Ghz processor to play WvsWvsW decently at 45 fps ?

I hope that’s a joke because the requirements for the game are really low

Yeah I am thinking the same thing to myself. How many people actually have that sorta power? How many people even know how or are willing to OC. Very very few…

Xceptional.7985:

It’s probably a cpu bottleneck.
Try OCing it more (or dropping your current OC) to see if it changes anything.

Before I changed out the CPU heatsink and fan I was running it at stock speeds with the same fps. The OC did very little to improve things. I hope… hope, it is not a CPU problem (even more so considering the listed specs for this game).

Additional experiment…

I tried turning the game resolution down to the absolutely min (which is 1024×768) to see if there was maybe a bandwidth bottleneck with the GPU. I was still getting the same fps.

First off here are my system specs.

Windows 7 64bit Ultimate (with all SP and updates)
Motherboard: Rampage II Extreme
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1366/Rampage_II_Extreme/
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231356
CPU: Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield (Overclocked to 3.4ghz)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202
GPU: ZOTAC AMP! ZT-50702-10M GeForce GTX 560
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500210

I am using the newest beta drivers for the GPU and I have tried other beta drivers as well.

In most places I get very nice FPS, but when large battles break out (namely in WvW) the results are a bit sad.

Here are two screen captures of WvW (so you can see what is going on) with my settings and FPS shown in the options menu. Changing the settings does little to effect the fps. There are numerous players over the hill, so that is impacting performance as well.

http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s354/Jnaathra/GW2/gw141.jpg
http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s354/Jnaathra/GW2/gw140.jpg

Lastly I have attached my Dxdiag file. I hope all of this information can be useful to the devs (or others). I am also eager to receieve any feedback about what I can do to improve performance in large battles.

Thanks,

J

I wonder if I am the only one that feels like this finger pointing, tattletale, crybaby, he hurt my feelings… “Stuff” is out of control…

I wish the game had an easy way to check/monitor ping from within the game.

Drintar.1246:

Just a question have you tried dropping the CPU back to stock speed? I remember in the beta weekends they were having problems with overclocked video cards and I think maybe overclocked cpus too.

Keep in mind I’m only suggesting it as a test to see what happens

Yeah, no change I’m afraid.

I appreciate that you both cherry picked a few bad examples out of multiple page thread.

I will toss my system out there and see what you think.

Motherboard: Rampage II Extreme
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1366/Rampage_II_Extreme/
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231356
CPU: Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz (Overclocked to 3.4ghz)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202
GPU: ZOTAC AMP! ZT-50702-10M GeForce GTX 560
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500210

(Yes I am aware of all the little tweaks and all the beta drivers out there)

Large events and WvW are between 15-20 fps “most” of the time. This to me is unacceptable. Settings have very little impact on the FPS during said events. I can go all low or all high and it is single digit difference.

I know that not everything can be pegged on the game, but when Anet is on here admitting that there are issues and asking us for extra information to help track things down… People need to stay open minded and back off a bit.

Edit – Also I would like to tack on a link to system requirments for this game.

http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=684&game=Guild%20Wars%202

Tradewind.6913:

My i7 at home plays the game significantly better than my Core2duo here at work. Which this thread and tests would seem to attest shouldn’t be the case. Pretty sure there’s a flaw in the testing methodology somewhere.

Please see this thread and keep an open mind.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/Low-FPS-or-FPS-drops/page/4#post9497